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WTB:CPU- AMD Athlon 2800+

karlgr Avatar
9y, 9m agoPosted 9 years, 9 months ago
I wanted a new graphics card but i have decided to get a better processor first instead as mine holds me back. I wanted to know if anyone could find it cheaper than here:
EDIT LINK: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-113-AM
Can't seem to find a resonable price for it :(

Remember, i don't want any Semprom or whatever it's called.

My system:
Operating system: Windows XP
Processor: AMD Athlon XP 1800 + @ 1.49 GHz
Motherboard: ASUS A7N8X-X
RAM/Memory: 1024MB DDR Crucial RAM
Graphics card: an embarassing GeForce (my Radeon 9800 died out on me).
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9y, 9m agoPosted 9 years, 9 months ago
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#1
You are lucky to have found that being retailed tbh,socket a is very old now.

You may be better to upgrade both your motherboard and processor.

you could get these from ebuyer processor £44.85 and this motherboard £29.99 = £74.84 in total.

This will use your current ram,and as your old system is socket A,will use you graphics card which I assume is AGP.

This processor is much better than the one you have looked at.

Hope this helps
#2
Well, i have just found out in actual fact i have a better processor... I have an AMD Athlon 2400+ 2.0 GHz and it is a thoroughbred... so it looks as if i'm ok with that. Maybe you could recomend a Graphics card for my system with the fact of the better processor :P
#3
muckypup
You are lucky to have found that being retailed tbh,socket a is very old now.

You may be better to upgrade both your motherboard and processor.

you could get these from ebuyer processor £44.85 and this motherboard £29.99 = £74.84 in total.

This will use your current ram,and as your old system is socket A,will use you graphics card which I assume is AGP.

This processor is much better than the one you have looked at.

Hope this helps

Actually my sister is looking for a deal like this, she needs a new motherboard and processor... her current system is going to have a Radeon 9800 128mb and has atm PC400 256 X2 DDR ram. Would that motherboard and processor go well with them? Also we would think about upgrading her RAM later on.
#4
Some graphics cards for you to consider (I am not sure of your budget)

Nvidia 7600 GS click £59.69.

ATI Radeon X1550 click £49.95.
As for your sister,if the RAM is ddr pc3200 it should be ok in this board.
I have just recently upgraded (on the cheap) and got this board with an Athlon 64 3700 processor(already had 1gb pc3200 RAM and inherited my OH's x800 pro graphics card) running sweet as:)
#5
But would this be any better or is it worse? http://www.crucial.com/uk/store/mpartspecs.aspx?mtbpoid=4BDEA350A5CA7304

Also would DDR2 graphics cards be ok for me?
#6
As for your sister,if the RAM is ddr pc3200 it should be ok in this board.
It's PC400, which is bad it it? It will still work though yeh? We'll have to upgrade it later...
#7
karlgr

Well,and i am not an expert,but it looks pretty much the same as the ATI card at ebuyer,no better or worse.I think,from what i can gather,the X1550 is the same as the X1300,just an updated model number of sorts.

Having had a close look at the pictures of both,they look identical,same fan etc,just one is Sapphire and one is Crucial.

From a personal perspective,we have always been satisfied with Sapphire graphics cards,having used a 9550,9800xt,x800 pro and my OH has just got a X1950XT badboy!!!!!
#8
karlgr
As for your sister,if the RAM is ddr pc3200 it should be ok in this board.
It's PC400, which is bad it it? It will still work though yeh? We'll have to upgrade it later...

As far as I know DDR memory comes in 3 flavours pc2100,pc2700,pc3200.
PC400 does not mean anything(to me anyways) there maybe someone more expert who could give you more info.

It may be worth checking what it says on the actual RAM itself,it has a sticker on it(though you may have done this already!)

If you need to buy some RAM you can get this click 1gb kingston RAM £51.13 or for 512mb click £30.59.
#9
karlgr


That is crap and £40 overpriced so stay clear!!

Just going through the posts now, will update in a few mins.

When the say PC400 I think they mean DDR400 which is 400mhz = PC3200. ;)

Graphics cards AGP format from best to worst (just a few I have cheery picked):

http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/119956 - X1950 pro 512mb
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/119300 - X1950 pro 256mb
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/118116 - 7600gt
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/125014 - X1650 pro
The X1650pro and the 7600gt are very close in performance.
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/119716 7600GS


To be honest that is all you should be considering. Price range from £60 up to £140.
#10
hello beerman......:thumbsup:

I knew an 'expert' would arrive soon enough!

My knowledge is a bit limited and re the RAM,I thought that too,just wanted to make sure OP knew exactly what it was he had.

Watch this space....................................
#11
beerman1
That is crap and £40 overpriced so stay clear!!

Just going through the posts now, will update in a few mins.

When the say PC400 I think they mean DDR400 which is 400mhz = PC3200. ;)

Graphics cards AGP format from best to worst (just a few I have cheery picked):

http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/119956 - X1950 pro 512mb
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/119300 - X1950 pro 256mb
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/118116 - 7600gt
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/125014 - X1650 pro
The X1650pro and the 7600gt are very close in performance.
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/119716 7600GS


To be honest that is all you should be considering. Price range from £60 up to £140.
But then would this system be alright for the listed graphics card?

Operating system: Windows XP
Processor: AMD Athlon XP 2400 + @ 2.0 GHz
Motherboard: ASUS A7N8X-X
RAM/Memory: 1024MB DDR Crucial RAM PC3200

And good to see Sunderland doing well this season, especially with one of my favorite players managing them to the top!
#12
karlgr
Actually my sister is looking for a deal like this, she needs a new motherboard and processor... her current system is going to have a Radeon 9800 128mb and has atm PC400 256 X2 DDR ram. Would that motherboard and processor go well with them? Also we would think about upgrading her RAM later on.


Hello.

Cheap motherboard socket 939
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/116265

Cheap 64 bit processor:
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/88105
I do not know your budget but the board is £25 and the processor is the 64bit 3000 costing £35.

You could stretch to £80 and get a dual core if you need to or between the prices of £35 and £70 you can get a range of faster processors up to an Athlon 64bit 4000.

It all depends how much you want to spend.

Also for a ram upgrade you want to be looking at adding a stick of 512mb for just under £26:
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/cat/Memory---Desktop/subcat/DDR-3200-.512MB

This would be using 3 slots on your board if it has three (have not checked, it may just have 2, if that is the case then I would suggest getting a single stick of 1gb at a cost of about £50. Then just dumping one of your 256mb sticks.
#14
I bought my current setup a long time ago, I went for the best at the time which was the Asus K8v deluxe using the viak8t800 chipset. At the time it only had the nforce 3 150 to contend with which was not as good, but then along came the nforce 3 250 chipset which gave it a run for it's money, and a lot of people say actually beat it.

Both of the above motherboards have these two chipsets, one the Via the other the Nforce 3 250.

I myself have never had a problem with the Via chipset, been running for a few years now without any real problmes.

So out of the 2 boards I really don't think it matters which you go for, most would probably say the cheaper of the 2 because it has the Nforce3 250 chipset, I through personal experience for a solid none clocking machine would go with the more expensive one.

If your on a budget just get the cheapest board and go against me, I don't think it really matters if your running at stock speeds.

Oh and obviously the more expensive processor is a lot better than the other one.

|But any combination of those will work together, so it all depends on your budget, if you can afford it get the processor with the highest number.

EDIT:

Just had another good look at the two motherboards, the more expensive one actually has 4 slots for the memory, the other one only has 2. It all depends on what memory sticks you want to be putting in there.

You say you have 1gb? How is that made up, 1, 2, 3, or 4 sticks?
#15
Yeah, thats for my sister, i'll go for the more expensive, she has 500mb of ram which is ok but we might add another stick (its made out of 2 sticks).

Also, could you, if you could, answer post no. 12. :) i would appreciate it, increased your rep :) Also Muckypups.
#16
karlgr
But then would this system be alright for the listed graphics card?

Operating system: Windows XP
Processor: AMD Athlon XP 2400 + @ 2.0 GHz
Motherboard: ASUS A7N8X-X
RAM/Memory: 1024MB DDR Crucial RAM PC3200

And good to see Sunderland doing well this season, especially with one of my favorite players managing them to the top!


Right mate.

Are you thinking of upgrading this system any time in the next 6 months or so to a higher AGP system? If not then just get the 7600GS for £60.

I think anything higher and your CPU will bottleneck it.

The 7600gs would compliment this system just nicely. It is a new card in technology terms, has all the latest features so is actually a better buy than the old ATI 9800xt which in itself is a legend and still holds it's value above the £50 mark.

Oh and Roy The Boy has opened my eyes. I was not happy with his appointment to start with due to lack of experience and the state our club was in. I was actually scared of doing a Shef Wed and going down again. But he has done amazing, in fact he has brought so much passion to the club and also knowledge in the form of one old man called Fergie he has really got me hooked on again.

I just wish I was back at work so I could start going again!!!
#17
ddr 400 IS pc3200 200 mhz doubled is 400mhz so the top speed for any ddr ram
#18
karlgr,

just a bit more info on the motherboard that was recommended with 4 memory slots(ECS KV2 lite £29.99)
As I said I have this board and looking in the manual it states that it will not boot up if 3 memory slots are used.That means that you can use 1,2 or 4 memory slots,so,if you are keeping the 2x256 sticks you would need to add another 2x whatever ram you wish to use(not just another 1x512 etc)

It is something to bear in mind if you do choose this(the reason I chose it was because it had 4 memory slots,though I am only using 2 at present)

:)
#19
Ok thanks alot Muckypup and Beerman! Alot of help there.. In conclusion i'll go for:
My Sister:
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/100512
and
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...uct_uid=103750

Me:
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/119716

Thanks alot again, i think i'll go for this lot!
#20
Perfect mate, also another bonus on that motherbosrd is I have just noticed that the chipset is actually the K8t800 PRO, which is in fact a better performer than the Nforce 3, it is a newer chipset than my own K8t800 so nice one.
#21
Thanks alot to you all again, i was struggling on my own and the other forums were useless! I'll definately try and stay active on here!
#22
Some good advice given on this thread....Well done...:thumbsup:
#23
karlgr
Thanks alot to you all again, i was struggling on my own and the other forums were useless! I'll definately try and stay active on here!


No mate, many thanks yo you for showing appreciation.

I think the problem with other forums is they are all above themselves and do not listen what the OP actually wants.

They just jump in with "get this, get that, no don't why bother this has a faster such and such", then they seem to wander off into the sunset with stupid money options when all you really want is a basic setup for a few quid!

Instead of looking at what you want they get into their own little world and try to out do each other. At the end of the day anyone can do that, Google is amazing. I personally am no whizz but I do know a lot and what I don't know I take time out to research.

One key factor on here are laptops, I have only ever had one laptop and that was only for a couple of weeks, so any laptop questions I stay well clear. I could of course get involved but that would be pointless, it would not be enjoyable for me as I would have to research every single question and I would also feel I was cheating the person I was helping as I would know I have never had hands on experience with laptops. Regarding this, self satisfaction simply would no longer exist.

On here we actually read your post and try to keep our/your options as close to what you have asked in your original post.

I sometimes do get carried away but only to give you some extra options but I always look back at what the original post was and try my best to explain why I would would make a different choice along with your cash flow options.
#24
Well said beerman:thumbsup:

One of the reasons I love this forum is due to the incredibly friendly and helpful folk on it.I have had some great advice,from you and crazylegs,that helped me with my purchase.

As for other forums.....if you are not spending £200 on a 6600 core2duo,they treat you sometimes as some sort of numpty...you can smell the testosterone coming from the screen:-D

Anytime karlgr,and thank you for the appreciation:)
#25
The motherboard i ordered was faulty (DOA) and was sent back, i ordered the same one again and so was that faulty! I've heard many people say ECS are a bad company and i should steer clear but i'm not too sure! Now i'm looking for an AGP Motherboard that is socket 939 for the processor you recommended above. Any help please? Had trouble looking myself! :(
#26
Flipping heck, that is bad luck mate.
#27
Oh heck!:-(

Bad luck on this,I have this mobo and it is working fine,no it is not a gigabyte or asus(which are usually better) but so far no problems.However,we did have a small concern during the build that it might be faulty as it was not booting up,it kept bleeping.The OH was convinced it was a RAM problem.I was hoping to use all 4 slots and have 2gb on the go,the only problem we could forsee was that 2 sticks were crucial ram and the other 2 were samsung.
I suspected that there may be a compatability problem,as it happens,an hour or say later after trying various combinations it seemed that the board did not like the samsung RAM.....but the crucial RAM works fine.So 1 gb for me but that is fine.

I suppose I am saying that there may be RAM compatability problems or as you say it may be just bad luck re DOA.

Will have another look later to see what may be a suitable alternative.
#28
~Cheers, i'm stuck! We checked the mobo and the LED wasn't coming on!
#29
Silly question but does your PSU work?
#30
Yup, used it on a different motherboard and then went out to get a new one as the old one was rubbish anyway and it doesn't work on the DOA motherboard.
#31
Hi karlgr,

I have found this (for the time being,will keep on looking) click at Pixmania....the only problem is that it states that it is temporarily out of stock.You will probably need to give them a ring to find out if and when it will be available again.

Will keep on looking........
#32
Ok thanks alot :-)
#33
I have been searching but for an AGP slot it is quite hard. Most are sold out and will never be replaced.
#34
Yea i know :-( If you don't manage to find one, thanks anyway :-)
#35
Good news, i found someone who could get hold of one and i'm getting it tomorow :) Now, the last thing i need is a graphics card, 7600gs i've decided on. probably this one: http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=479171
#36
Nice one, but don't get that card. For that price you can get this X1650pro, the X1650pro is very similar in performance to the Nvidia 7600GT which is the big brother of the 7600GS.

So for the same price your getting a more powerful card here:
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/118281
#37
EDIT: Hmm, might go for this, will 2ghz cpu go ok with it tho
#38
It may slightly bottleneck both cards but you won't really notice. Either way mate, it makes no sense getting the 7600gs when you can have a X1650pro for the same price.

It's like going to the shop for a 2 litre bottle of pop for £1.50 and they offer you 3 litres for the same price but from a different shelf. Which would you choose?
#39
I've been a bit hessitant because this: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/graphics/charts.html?modelx=33&model1=530&model2=589&chart=196 Shows differently. :P
#40
Just looked around and : http://www.elite*******s.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=163&Itemid=27&limit=1&limitstart=3 has agreed with you.. I'll go for the Radeon! Cheers Beerman. Rep for you.

EDIT: Change the stars to Bast ard

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