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WTD: half decent graphics card

seancampbell Avatar
9y, 9m agoPosted 9 years, 9 months ago
I'm looking for a reasonably price PCI-E graphics card to replace an Nvidia Geforce 7300 SE for a relatives desktop.
Not going to skimp on the budget but obviously not looking for anything incredible.
Would like Dual monitor DVI support, and the ability to run games like Supreme Commander with most if not all the eye candy.
Will also be looking for a suitable monitor/pair of monitors to go with it, so would appreciate suggestions.
Would consider waiting a little if the new Dx10 graphics cards are going to push down current prices by a significant amount, but I'm not going to keep waiting forever - far too easy to do with technology!

Thanks in advance.
Sean
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9y, 9m agoPosted 9 years, 9 months ago
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#1
I need to add that I think it's a PCI-E 8x slot so can't use any of the nicer x16 cards.. nor any with an insane PSU requirement short of replacing that as well. I guess I'll need to put a rought budget in also - can't go beyond £300 for both a monitor and a new graphics card.
HDCP complaint is a plus.
#2
never heard of PCI-E 8X ..only AGP 8X...are you sure...what model PC is it and how old?
#4
It's about 2 months old - packard bell from Dixons.
Core 2 duo
gig of Ram

No mention of resolution or DVI/ HDCP on that monitor?
#5
currychops
never heard of PCI-E 8X ..only AGP 8X...are you sure...what model PC is it and how old?

PCI E is either 8x or 16x
Example
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-035-BG

Note: This card is 275mm in length so make sure it fits in your case! Also the cards require PCI-E x16 slots, they will not function in a x8 slot so for SLi you need dual x16 mainboard. Finally 500W minimum for PSU and 600W+ is recommended.
#6
well ive got a Packard Bell machine, iXtreme Gold S1919 to be exact, and its probably a year old (bought it refurbished) and its running a Pentium D 2.8ghz, 1GB of RAM etc and the PCI-Express slot on the motherboard is certainly x16. Are you certain your Core2Duo machine has a x8 PCI-E slot?
#7
No I'm not - not mine. I assume I'd have to dismantle it just to check?
Unless anyone has a link to a free programme I can use to check.
Would be very handy if your right.

Had a look round net - model is imedia 1569.
#8
nah, its most certainly x16... its too much of a recent machine for anything less.

I'll tell you the card i bought... XFX 7600GT XXX Edition although i upgraded the PSU to a 450W one to be on the safe side. The card is sweet as though, and runs pretty much everything on max settings.

If you're not sure on changing the PSU, the maybe go for a Nvidia 7600GS as it might not require as much power. Something like this BFG 7600 GS

Although, changing the PSU only cost me an extra £30 and its really easy to change over...
#9
I can do the PSU at same time.. yup you were right
Cuba (MSI MS-7301) Motherboard

Expansion Slots

[LIST]
[*]1x PCI Express 16X
[*]1x PCI Express 1X
[*]2x PCI[/LIST]Think I'll add another gig of DDR2, a hiper 500 or 600W PSU and the XFX 7600 GT XXX.. Should future proof it enough for him.
Throw in a nice 19" montior n it should rival most gaming machines short of a directx10 card. Only a kids gaming machine though so dont think it needs that sort of power.
Thanks for all the help! Really appreciate it. Have left rep.
#10
you can also run a system scan off the machine you are talking about at Crucial That should certify what type graphs card etc is installed :-)
#11
yeah you wanna go for a decent named PSU like the one you said. I bought an X-Power brand one, which i was told was an ok make, it was on offer @ Maplins so i bought it. You cant go wrong with the 7600GT XXX either, blinding card for the money, HDCP support too :-)
#12
Crucial didnt seem to find a "guarunteed match".
Should be reasonable to get a match though.
Half considering going beyond 2 gig as I have a spare copy of vista home premium, but probably not worth it atm. Will add some readyboost memory though, a 2 gig SD card should do it.
#13
paceCETTA
yeah you wanna go for a decent named PSU like the one you said. I bought an X-Power brand one, which i was told was an ok make, it was on offer @ Maplins so i bought it. You cant go wrong with the 7600GT XXX either, blinding card for the money, HDCP support too :-)

Unusual Scan marks it as no HDCP. Though even without HDCP support still good value.
#14
hmm weird. Certainly the specs sheet on the XFX website states it is HDTV ready clicky

Just seen this one on Dabs 7600 GT HDTV OUT not sure what HDTV out mean, HDMI port???
#15
I would seriously consder this graphics card if you can click just been voted CustomPC magazine bargain of the year,comes in at £100,got HDCP support also.
#16
muckypup
I would seriously consder this graphics card if you can click just been voted CustomPC magazine bargain of the year,comes in at £100,got HDCP support also.

Thanks for the suggestion.. Looks pretty good.
Would be a nice card to run in crossfire..
/me waves goodbye to budget :P
#17
muckypup
I would seriously consder this graphics card if you can click just been voted CustomPC magazine bargain of the year,comes in at £100,got HDCP support also.


Yes a good choice muckypup...if I was spending £100 that'd be my choice.
#18
About to go through with an order on ebuyer, just could do with opinions first.

I'm thinking of going with the Connect3D X1900GT 256MB GDDR3 dual DVI VIVO 256bit PCI-E
but am I right in thinking this will mean new PSU?
Have never changed a PSU before but if its not too hard I'll give it a go.. just don't want to ruin my kid brothers desktop.


If I do need the new PSU (current is 250W I think) am I right in thinking they are generic?
Was going to go with
Hiper 530W Black Type M PSU - ATX v2.2, Silent/Temp Control, Active PFC, SLI/Crossfire Certified

Also going to go for some RAM and new speakers.
Any opinions on
Logitech X-230 2.1 Speaker System - 32W RMS
or
Kingston Valueram 2Gb 667MHz DDR2 Non Ecc CL5 Kit Of 2 X 1GB
This appears to be generic RAM - got 2 x 512 sticks in matched pair atm.. 2 free according to mobo's manufacturers website.
Should work right?

Free shipping luckily (8.6 kg!) so total cost of £277.49 for the graphics card PSU 2 gig RAM and some basic speakers.
Already bought one monitor (well a relative did).
Might buy a 2nd later.

Thanks in advance for any replies!

PS as a side note left you all rep for the help - really appreciate it.
#19
Anyone got any opinions on those 4? Don't want to make a blind purchase and mess up a nice desktop.

Would bring specs to:
1.86 ghz core 2 duo processor
3 gig DDR2 in matched pairs
256 mb dedicated graphics
2.1 sound system
530 W PSU

Installed with XP Home with an upgrade to vista home premium on the way.

Rep waiting for useful responses.
#20
Think the 1950pro card would be better value
#21
got a link for me fox?

Going to go with 2 gig kit of RAM from crucial as its guarunteed.. and wont need a PSU change. Then do graphics/ PSU a little later on I think.
#22
seancampbell
got a link for me fox?

Going to go with 2 gig kit of RAM from crucial as its guarunteed.. and wont need a PSU change. Then do graphics/ PSU a little later on I think.


http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/119203/rb/26009730554 but from reports it can be a bit noisy though.:thumbsup:
#23
Thanks.
Just wish I knew which to go with lol... and if I need to change PSU. 250W atm so virtually certain I will need to.
#24
Sorry to jack your thread, but would you be selling the card you pull out of their system!?
#25
It may be for sale - though I may keep it incase I need to switch back if something goes wrong while it is in warranty as PC is only a couple of months old.
Not exactly brilliant anyway - only 64 mb dedicated up to 512 shared.
#26
seancampbell
Thanks.
Just wish I knew which to go with lol... and if I need to change PSU. 250W atm so virtually certain I will need to.


250w is a little bit under powered for a modern graphics card;-)
#27
Yup I know. Packard Bell cutting corners.
Just never changed the PSU before so dont want to mess up. Could do with 600W+ for the X1950pro.
#28
I would forget the X1900 and go for the X1950 pro, its a far better card and far more powerful..

A 500 watt PSU will be perfect for the x1950 pro, I run one of these with a Tagan 500w Dual engine PSU, that has 4 yes 4 12 volt rails all pushing 28amps each.. remember the better the brand psu the more peace of mind you will have...:thumbsup:
#29
seancampbell
Yup I know. Packard Bell cutting corners.
Just never changed the PSU before so dont want to mess up. Could do with 600W+ for the X1950pro.


Got mine running on a 500w:thumbsup:
#30
crazylegs
I would forget the X1900 and go for the X1950 pro, its a far better card and far more powerful..

A 500 watt PSU will be perfect for the x1950 pro, I run one of these with a Tagan 500w Dual engine PSU, that has 4 yes 4 12 volt rails all pushing 28amps each.. remember the better the brand psu the more peace of mind you will have...:thumbsup:


Yep, never go for a cheap no name PSU, it's just asking for trouble;-)
#31
Wouldn't dream of it
Considering either a Hiper 530W Black Type M PSU - ATX v2.2, Silent/Temp Control, Active PFC, SLI/Crossfire Certified

or a Corsair HX Series 520W Modular PSU - ATX12V v2.2 APFC

Both seem pretty reasonable options.

Ordered the speakers as they were on free delivery, so now just got to buy 2 gig of RAM either Kingston from ebuyer or the Crucial reccomended.

Then either the Corsair or the Hiper and the x1950pro..
#32
seancampbell
Wouldn't dream of it
Considering either a Hiper 530W Black Type M PSU - ATX v2.2, Silent/Temp Control, Active PFC, SLI/Crossfire Certified

or a Corsair HX Series 520W Modular PSU - ATX12V v2.2 APFC

Both seem pretty reasonable options.

Ordered the speakers as they were on free delivery, so now just got to buy 2 gig of RAM either Kingston from ebuyer or the Crucial reccomended.

Then either the Corsair or the Hiper and the x1950pro..


A wise man:thumbsup:
#33
I think the hiper should do it, so £155.86 for the card + new PSU.
Just got to work out how to fit em both now, as well as ordering the 2 gig of RAM, and quite possibly a DVI-D cable for the new monitor if it doesnt ship with one.

Thanks again!
Can't give out more rep today but will do tommorrow.
#34
Wow can't believe I have missed all of this thread. Some great choices there mate. Probably exactly what I would have gone for.

As for the RAM just get whichever is cheaper, I like Kingston as it has a lifetime guarantee also and it is generally cheaper than any other make on the market, even Ebuyers own generic stuff is more expensive. If your not into heavy overclocking this is what I buy and have never ever had a bad stick.

Also the Hyper is perfect for your needs, they are very stable and the the Type-M is an exact replica of the more expensive award winning Type-R barring a few comsetic touches.

I used to always recommend the X1900gt as it was far and away the best card in the £100 range but since Christmas the X1950pro has massively dropped in price so people would be stilly not to spend the extra couple of quid and get the X1950pro.

Also if you are thinking in the near future about a very nice monitor than I can vouch for Samsung Syncmaster monitors, their colour reproduction is far better than the cheaper ones you get for sale. Here is a nice one:
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=26012404651&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X3Jldmlld3M=&product_uid=122811

It can be found for about £150 if you do a search using either pricegrabber, kelkoo or froogle.
#35
beerman1
Wow can't believe I have missed all of this thread. Some great choices there mate. Probably exactly what I would have gone for.

As for the RAM just get whichever is cheaper, I like Kingston as it has a lifetime guarantee also and it is generally cheaper than any other make on the market, even Ebuyers own generic stuff is more expensive. If your not into heavy overclocking this is what I buy and have never ever had a bad stick.

Also the Hyper is perfect for your needs, they are very stable and the the Type-M is an exact replica of the more expensive award winning Type-R barring a few comsetic touches.

I used to always recommend the X1900gt as it was far and away the best card in the £100 range but since Christmas the X1950pro has massively dropped in price so people would be stilly not to spend the extra couple of quid and get the X1950pro.

Also if you are thinking in the near future about a very nice monitor than I can vouch for Samsung Syncmaster monitors, their colour reproduction is far better than the cheaper ones you get for sale. Here is a nice one:
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=26012404651&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X3Jldmlld3M=&product_uid=122811

It can be found for about £150 if you do a search using either pricegrabber, kelkoo or froogle.


Ordered the RAM off Orca as it is guarunteed compatible and reasonably well priced.
Going to buy the Hiper and the X1950pro shortly - want to add the RAM first.
Don't need a Samsung - went for a 22" Dell. Can't beat the quality.
#36
Just had a call to confirm my dell monitor (an E228WFP) will be delivered on wednesday. Hope its worth it.
Need to get the GXF done to use DVI on it else it won't be doing it justice though! (so need to get the hiper PSU).
Hopefully it'll all be worth it when Command and Conquer 3 comes out.
Reckon it's worth wall mounting it?
#38


Thanks for the post Schizoboy but I already ordered a 22" dell so covered as far as a monitor goes now. Might go dual on it later on though.
#39
I fancy a dual setup, are they really any good or does it get annoying and confusing?
#40
beerman1
I fancy a dual setup, are they really any good or does it get annoying and confusing?


Depends on the application and your OS. Vista makes good use of it but the space concerns are pretty valid - two 22" screens is alot of deskspace gone after all.
Wonderful for some games though (especially things like Supreme Commander).
Will increase leccy bill too so not exactly for the one off gamer/ graphics designer.

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