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yet another Laptop Request(sorry)

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9y, 6m agoPosted 9 years, 6 months ago
Budget £600 max..would preffer £500'ish

Intel Core2 duo processor, 256mb Graphics, 1.7gHz+, 100gb+(HardDrive), 2M Cache
(all the other bits and bobs, re-writers ect)

ok, thats what id love for around -£500,, i know i may be asking for alot, im stuck between a 'sonyVAIO N21/EW(£600)' and a Dell(nothing with the AMD Turion Processor(£550ish) atm, unsure what to get..i've waited so long but cant decide..im close handing over the cash for the SONY!

im heading to uni to study computer science, in sep..i'll use it for ALOT of multimedia stuff..music,video ect. i'll settle for Windows Vista.

any suggestions?
(sorry if your sick of seeing such threads!)
Luke
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9y, 6m agoPosted 9 years, 6 months ago
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#1
Sony are overpriced..the same specs can be had elsewhere for at least a £100 less...my advice is to wait for the new Dell deals on Thursday and lets see what turns up.
#2
Wait till you are at uni - you may then be able to get acedemic discounts?
#3
Apple do academic discounts if you fancy a shiny new mac.....
#4
currychops
Sony are overpriced..the same specs can be had elsewhere for at least a £100 less...my advice is to wait for the new Dell deals on Thursday and lets see what turns up.


They are gorgeous though....The SZ series particularly. Remember specs aren't everything with laptops, the Sony's tend to be much smaller, lighter and more ascetically pleasing than the equivalent Dell and Sony are renowned for long battery life.

If you want a top quality laptop you should be looking at: Toshiba, Sony, Asus, Fujitsu, Rock etc.

If you want a good value laptop you should be looking at: Acer, MSI, Evesham, Dell etc.
#5
megalomaniac
They are gorgeous though....The SZ series particularly. Remember specs aren't everything with laptops, the Sony's tend to be much smaller, lighter and more ascetically pleasing than the equivalent Dell and Sony are renowned for long battery life.

If you want a top quality laptop you should be looking at: Toshiba, Sony, Asus, Fujitsu, Rock etc.

If you want a good value laptop you should be looking at: Acer, MSI, Evesham, Dell etc.


Yes I can agree on most fronts ...but a friend on mine has a Sony and it has cost him a fortune in two repairs just after the warranty expired..first a blown CPU and then a dud DVD writer...so it somewhat clouds my judgement.

I have an Acer ..the bargain £699 Aspire 5865...a Sony with those specs would be nearer a grand.
#6
i have just found a bit of a deal regarding a Sony

http://www.rankhour.com/details.php?pid=4407020007756251&caid=1&cbid=1&ccid=24

i belive its the Sony Vaio n21 S/W(with th intel® Core™ 2 Duo Processor T5200)
#7
currychops
Yes I can agree on most fronts ...but a friend on mine has a Sony and it has cost him a fortune in two repairs just after the warranty expired..first a blown CPU and then a dud DVD writer...so it somewhat clouds my judgement.

I have an Acer ..the bargain £699 Aspire 5865...a Sony with those specs would be nearer a grand.


Yes Acer are fantastic VFM.

Must say I'm surprised at the trouble with Sony, apart from the recent battery fiasco they're regarded as being pretty reliable.
#8
new dell deals seem quite good, however they all have the vist business OS...

think i'll opt for the sony vaio
#9
Have to say, I have a Dell and would never buy one again... its a big pile of dog **** my old acer which was atleast half the spec kicked its arse in nearly every dept and my wifes 5 year old ibook hammers it too.

Sony make very nice machines and they perform well and have good build quality but you do pay extra because they are "Sony"... where as the build quality on Acers may not be as sold as a Sony you do get a lot for your money.
#10
Luked
i have just found a bit of a deal regarding a Sony

http://www.rankhour.com/details.php?pid=4407020007756251&caid=1&cbid=1&ccid=24

i belive its the Sony Vaio n21 S/W(with th intel® Core™ 2 Duo Processor T5200)


The graphics card on that is, well to be blunt, crap. It's pretty much the standard base graphics card for any laptop and performs the worst in all benchmarks.

As for what might meet your standard. This Dell laptop looks good. Change it to one year collect & return and add on the graphics card and you pretty much have what you requested for £599.32 delivered.

It's specs are:
Intel Core 2 Duo T5300 (1.73ghz, 533MHz, 2MB L2 Cache)
2048MB Ram (I'd up it to the 667MHz for the extra £17.63 for what it's worth)
120GB Hard-Drive (Could be bigger but it's not bad)
256MB ATI Radeon X1400 (Benchmarks the highest of the cheap end graphics card, you'd be realistically looking at a GeForce 7600 before you have a superior card and they're more costly)
DVD+/-RW


It meets all your specifications and I personally think it's a cracking deal (almost as good as one they did a few months, similar spec but better processor, bigger HD and cheaper to boot...). I looked at ebay and I couldn't see anything that was much better for your price budget.

I'm looking for a new laptop for the same budget as you and roughly the same spec you see. I'm thinking about buying the above laptop myself.
#11
Oh and if you feel like chancing Ebay and wanted a Sony. I can't find a fault with this listing. It has outstanding spec for the price, it's a Sony and the seller looks like he can be trusted. I almost bought it myself but I want 2GB Ram and this only offers 1GB. That'd be £568 delivered. You'll have to be quick though because I expect this one will get snapped up pretty quick.
#12
wow! thanks for all the info scriptor, it seems like such a great deal with the dell..over the past two weeks i've been undecided about which book to go for the SONY or a Dell, i know Dell are very popular but i do keep hearing about them being 'low-end' laptops.

hence, why i've been so eager to invest in a sony. I feel its a more developed therefore trusted brand, this could be a load of s**t and just me buying into the reputation.

However, the Dell seems perfect, and admittidley i do want as much graphic power as possible, i do tend to indulge in the odd gaming experience(addiction).

Also, is the screen clarity as impressive as the Sony?

Thanks again for the reply, i wont be purchasing for a few days yet..i still ponder! ..so if you do find any other bargains, or purchase the Inspirion yourself. Let me know!

ta mate!
#13
I just bought one mate so I'll keep you posted. It's due to be delivered towards the tail end of next week.

Make sure you ring them though because you'll get more thrown in. What i suggested above came to £599. It's definitely worth haggling though because I just got one hell of a deal. I paid £655 for that laptop but with a few upgrades

I paid £655 for the following:

Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T7200 Processor (2.0GHz,667MHz,4MB L2 cache)
2048MB 533MHz Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM [2x1024]
160GB (5400rpm) SATA Hard Drive
256MB ATI® Mobility™ Radeon® X1400 HyperMemory
9 cell Lithium-Ion Battery

If you put that into the website with the one year collect and return it comes out at £834.32. I can't believe I let them fob me off with the 533MHz of RAM to be honest, I really pushed for the 667MHz and they just wouldn't give me it unless I paid an extra £50 which is insane since it's only a £17 upgrade to start with.

That is a huge upgrade compared to what I listed earlier. If they aren't willing to barter with you, hang up and try again so you'll get a different sales rep. The female sales rep's seem less willing to barter than the men. It helps that I work in sales so I know what to say and do.

Oh and I got XP with mine but that's just because I don't like Vista.

I made a post about bartering with sales reps before, I'll repost here for you. Hopefully it helps. Even if you don't get that much extra, it's still a cracking deal at what it is.

I work in a call centre so I can give a few tips as to how they operate.

When we say we're talking to our manager, we're not. We just put people on hold, have a chat with some friends or browse the internet and come back to you.

When you're on hold, don't discuss it with people in the background or say anything you wouldn't say to the salesmen. I know on my phone that when I put people on hold at work, I can still hear what they're talking about. They just can't hear me.

The price is really flexible within reason. The book price for the product I sell is £2490 but I've flogged them for £1300 before as well as £3500 (Rare but it does happen). I don't think dell will offer that much discount but 25-30% is reasonable in my opinion. Less so on Laptops, more so on PCs.

If you get a sales person you don't like, try not to give them too many details. I know that we put notes on each enquiry explaining how the conversation went. Also, our system automatically brings up your file from your phone number so withhold your number when calling them to prevent this happening. Then when they ask you if you have a file on the system, tell them no. Also on that note, you can legally request to see anything they write on the system about you as part of the data protection act.

Remember, the salesmen are just like me and you as well. I know that nothing frustrates me more than when I get a customer who is shouting or being completely unreasonable. When this happens, the chances of me doing anything for you are very slim. The chances are that when dealing with a complaint that if they say they have no control over a certain thing, they're not lying. When dealing with complaints, as long as you are being reasonable, we do everything in our power to make things right.

Also, it is very rare to actually speak directly to a manager unless dealing with a severe complaint. If they say they're the manager, nine times out of ten they're lying. Managers are normally far too busy to deal with customers directly. If I spoke to 100 customers in a day (I work in a team of 8 so that's 800 customers), I expect my manager would have spoke to about 9-10 customers all day tops.


I'm not sure if any of that is helpful but I hope it is.
#14
Problem with Sonys is if a part goes wrong, they cost more than usual as they are special parts, I had a friend who had one.
#15
Apologies for jumping into your post Luked. Just wanted to thank Scriptor for his contribution. I'm also looking for a laptop, similar budget etc. The spec that Scriptor got for £655 is pretty much what I would want. The changes I would potentially make are to reduce the HD size to 120GB and up the memory to 667MHz. I also think I've read somewhere that the 9 cell battery protrudes somehow from the laptop - are there any pictures of this anywhere?
Is the screen upgrade to the "UltraSharp" worth the money?
A potentially silly question - When Dell describe the Optical Drive as "Fixed Internal" - what does the 'fixed' mean? Does it mean if it fails the optical drive can't be replaced, so you would have to replace the laptop?
#16
jdo
Apologies for jumping into your post Luked. Just wanted to thank Scriptor for his contribution. I'm also looking for a laptop, similar budget etc. The spec that Scriptor got for £655 is pretty much what I would want. The changes I would potentially make are to reduce the HD size to 120GB and up the memory to 667MHz. I also think I've read somewhere that the 9 cell battery protrudes somehow from the laptop - are there any pictures of this anywhere?
Is the screen upgrade to the "UltraSharp" worth the money?
A potentially silly question - When Dell describe the Optical Drive as "Fixed Internal" - what does the 'fixed' mean? Does it mean if it fails the optical drive can't be replaced, so you would have to replace the laptop?



Not 100% sure on some of the stuff but I do know that the 9 cell battery doesn't protrude. You've probably read that it protrudes on the 640m version which it does.

The Ultrasharp screen, it's a personal preference really. I never deemed it to be worth the extra money because it sometimes gets added glare.

I'm not sure about the fixed optical drive but I can't see it being irreplaceable. It's actually very rare for a Dell laptop not to be listed as fixed internal. I imagine it will just be referring to the fact it's as standard and can't be changed but like I said, I'm not sure.
#17
Thanks for the info scriptor, sounds like you had a good deal.

I too am tempted to purchase the dell...but i won't be paying the extra £50 for the RAM upgrade, that is quite harsh from dell. But i really really would want the best screen possible, IF ONLY Dell sold through stores instead of internet.

Like i said in my previous posts £600 is my limit sadly haha! I'm either going to wait till your(scriptor) opinions on it, or i may purchase one myself during the early parts of next week! It's a great deal anyhow!

anyone els with any opinions ect. we'd be very grateful..
#18
Scriptor
The graphics card on that is, well to be blunt, crap. It's pretty much the standard base graphics card for any laptop and performs the worst in all benchmarks.

As for what might meet your standard. This Dell laptop looks good. Change it to one year collect & return and add on the graphics card and you pretty much have what you requested for £599.32 delivered.

It's specs are:
Intel Core 2 Duo T5300 (1.73ghz, 533MHz, 2MB L2 Cache)
2048MB Ram (I'd up it to the 667MHz for the extra £17.63 for what it's worth)
120GB Hard-Drive (Could be bigger but it's not bad)
256MB ATI Radeon X1400 (Benchmarks the highest of the cheap end graphics card, you'd be realistically looking at a GeForce 7600 before you have a superior card and they're more costly)
DVD+/-RW


It meets all your specifications and I personally think it's a cracking deal (almost as good as one they did a few months, similar spec but better processor, bigger HD and cheaper to boot...). I looked at ebay and I couldn't see anything that was much better for your price budget.

I'm looking for a new laptop for the same budget as you and roughly the same spec you see. I'm thinking about buying the above laptop myself.


anybody know of this laptop, and whether it's still about?

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