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I took delivery of one of these yesterday and it is a VA panel like the OCUK monitor everyone was raving about. It is identical to the OCUK monitor apart from the fact this one is £50 cheaper, supports HDCP and as far as I am aware, you have no chance of receiving a TN panel.

I found it from http://www.prad.de forums. The members their were raving about this monitor (there is a 106 page thread about it). Basically there are 4 monitors that all look identical, the one on OCUK, this one (Yuraku) and 2 more that are not sold over here (Novita & Iolair). This one is said to be the original, the other 3 are supposedly clones of the Yuraku. All the clones have had TN models appear but this one has not had any.

I messaged one of the forum members on Prad asking him to confirm everything I read in the thread before purchasing. He gladly did so and confirmed everything I just said above. It really is a good deal and I am absolutely loving my new monitor (I had a 21" CRT previously, so this is a massive upgrade for me lol)

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#1
Here are some pictures and also some proof that it is a P-MVA.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q14/phearfactor/v3waawed.jpg
As you can see it says "AU-M240UW01-V3" which is P-MVA.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q14/phearfactor/monanglebottom.jpg
More proof it is a VA.

This is what it would look like if it was a TN (below);
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q14/phearfactor/tn.jpg
As you can see the angle isn't even as sharp as what my photo was taken at and you an see the colour change.

Top monitor, can't wait to get Assassin's Creed running on it :-D

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Here is a link to Prad Forum thread I mentioned. It is translated to English by Google.
banned#2
Looks nice, can you please explain the following terms for the less monitor literate:

- VA panel
- TN panel
- P-MVA

Thanx
#3
you should of took a picture of the same thing on each monitor therefore it is easier to see the difference.
#4
When I say VA I mean P-M'VA'.

TN (Twisted Nematic): Without Overdrive, this type of panel offers the fastest pixel response time. This does however come at the expensive of viewing angles and color fidelity. Out of all TFT-LCD panels, the TN type has the lowest contrast. It is also a 6-bit color depth panel, meaning dithering or frame rate control (FRC) must be employed to reach close to a full 8-bit depth. Pixels in their active state on a TN are black, while in their inactive, white.

(P-)MVA ({Premium} Multidomain Vertical Alignment): The liquid crystal (LC) cells on MVA panels are in their active state white, and in inactive black and are separated into four domains. This slightly improves viewing angle over TN-type displays (MVAs provide ~45 degrees). MVA panels also provide a high contrast ratio. Grayscale inversion is minimal on these displays. Response time is the second slowest in the industry without ODCs. MVAs and all derivatives hide details at a perpendicular viewing angle due to their multidomain nature. Cells are never perfectly vertical or horizontal in an MVA, but they can be very close.


They are basically the step up from TN, but they usually sell for £300-£400. There are better monitors but your looking at £500+ probably, maybe even higher. Way out of my price range so I never checked.
#5
pc_tech86
you should of took a picture of the same thing on each monitor therefore it is easier to see the difference.


I don't own a TN panel, that picture was just to show you how the colours go all loopy on a TN screen when you go to a sharp viewing angle.

Go here if you want to see some better pictures of it: http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11221244&postcount=2513 - now look at my image, mostly the Google logo, the colour hasn't changed at all from what it should look like.
banned#6
Thanks for the explanation
#7
Updated the listing so it goes to Misco instead, the 3 that were left at Aria have sold out.
#8
Looks like they are all out of stock at Aria now. I was lucky enough to get one (though Misco isn't that much more expensive). I'll be interested to compare it to my mate's OCUK Digimate one ... which I have a feeling is one of the TN panels (poor vertical viewing angle and nasty colour shifts).

Still, it'll be my first ever LCD monitor since I've decided that my 17 inch CRT is past its best!
#9
Yeah, I grew tired of my nicotine yellow CRT and got this little beast. I have another identical Dell 21" on my other PC which looked the same. I look at it now and even on the desktop it just looks rubbish. I never realised before just how cloudy CRT's are, probably something to do with my set-up but this Yuraku worked straight out of the box. No tweaking or anything, nice crisp, sharp images that I never really witnessed on my CRT. I guess it was just old and decrepit lol
#10
Internet search engines work quickly these days ... did a google for the monitor and the top result was your digg post! Is it your blog you link to?
#11
marble
Internet search engines work quickly these days ... did a google for the monitor and the top result was your digg post! Is it your blog you link to?


Yeah it is my website, I only just got it up an running a couple of week back. I just post some rubbish their in my spare time. I have not posted a link to it from here as I am not sure if the mods would consider it advertising or something, rather not take the risk ;-)
#12
Scorchio!
#13
thank you, but one thing stop me....there is no HDMI
#14
thks heat and rep added comes with a hdmi to dvi cable included
#15
So So
thks heat and rep added comes with a hdmi to dvi cable included


Yeah, you will have to get a DVI to DVI cable if you don't already have one and plan to use it on your PC. Although I tried out the VGA cable that comes with it and couldn't see any difference between that and the DVI cable I bought :thinking:

Narkodrom
thank you, but one thing stop me....there is no HDMI


Not sure why this would stop you?

DVI and HDMI are exactly the same as one another, image-quality-wise. The principal differences are that HDMI carries audio as well as video


As long as you can set-up a separate audio out you should be fine. Using the speakers in most monitors is not really a wise thing to do as the quality is often rubbish at best. If you wanted to use it on a PS3 for example I believe you can usually use things like; component audio or even the optical out. You can use this in conjunction with a HDMI to DVI cable that comes with the monitor. Maybe someone more clued up about a PS3/360s set-up could explain exactly what audio cables you need if this is what you are referring to.
#16
Excellent post. You spent a lot of time getting the facts and kindly passing the facts on to us.
Rep added!
#17
Don't forget Quidco when buying from Misco.
#18
Does it have HDCP?
#19
steveo67
Does it have HDCP?

This thread suggests yes but the OCUK version definitely didn't.
[helper]#20
Crumble
Excellent post. You spent a lot of time getting the facts and kindly passing the facts on to us.
Completely agree - also adding some rep and heat.....
#21
This monitor has a DVI-I connection just like my own monitor. The problem i have is that i can't use it because my gfx card has a DVI-D connection only, just like most new gfx cards i have looked at when considering changing to fit my monitor.
Does anybody know how you are are supposed to connect one of these via DVI? I have researched it but nobody does a DVI-I to DVI-D convertor.

http://img.misco.co.uk/images/uploadedimages/Gallery/large/200803201633289.jpg
#22
Thats a bloody good price for a 22" monitor, let alone a 24" VA with [kinda] HDMI.

I'm tempted for my Mac Mini HTPC, but I'd like a tuner too for the Skybox.
#23
does this support Full HD resolution?

and can i get it with a 512 MB 7600 GS OC?
#24
Not gonna vote but just to make a comment that Contrast Ratio 800:1 is not particularly thrilling by any means. Either way it's pretty good value :)
#25
so how well does this run with an xbox360?
#26
PhearFactor
Yeah, you will have to get a DVI to DVI cable if you don't already have one and plan to use it on your PC. Although I tried out the VGA cable that comes with it and couldn't see any difference between that and the DVI cable I bought :thinking:
Now this I am surprised by. I received one of the OcUK 24" monitors from my missus as a birthday present and I have to say that the RGB cable that came with it was pants. I swapped it out for a high quality cable that I was using on my old 19" CRT and the difference in quality was immediately obvious. As I use the monitor with a laptop, I'm unable to test the quality of the DVI connection.
#27
This brand hasn't received brilliant reviews for their monitors in a couple of lab tests.

There were two main issues with this system: the speakers, which were to impressive audio what Baldrick is to Cordon Bleu, and the poor display. The foibles of the screen are less immediately obvious, but more serious. For a start, the Yuraku MABWBA TFT flip-flopped forward and back in its stand in an alarmingly cheap way. The real problem, though, was image quality. To get a nice inky black we had to lower the brightness to around 38% and the contrast to 78%. This removed the bleached-out appearance but left us with an image that lacked impact and vibrancy. We also ended up dropping the green level to around 42% to remove the green bias, but nothing could compensate for the poor viewing angles, which make colours distort or invert as soon as you move from square-on to the screen.

And
This is better at high-resolution gaming than the 320MB, so it's a welcome inclusion given the high 1,680 x 1,050 resolution of the accompanying Yuraku M2BABW TFT.

This sadly proved to be an even worse model than the Yuraku screen supplied with the Advance Technologies PC. The stand was one unwelcome similarity, as this screen flopped around in its mounting too. We had to set the brightness even lower (to 28%) and dial down the contrast (to 72%) to get a proper black, but this dulled the image dramatically. The backlight was so uneven that a sepia tinge crept in from the top.

Perhaps why it is so cheap.
#28
Thanks...looks quite nice. Will do some googling to see whether there are any reviews out there on this monitor...might get myself one.
#29
Bad Actor
This brand hasn't received brilliant reviews for their monitors in a couple of lab tests.

Perhaps why it is so cheap.
I wouldn't read too much into those reviews as they clearly refer to other models and not the one that's being discussed here. Fact is that if this monitor is just a rebadged copy of the OcUK model then you're getting A LOT of monitor for your money - don't forget that this is a P-MVA panel and not a cheap TN panel! That makes a lot more difference than you might realise...
#30
peodude
does this support Full HD resolution?

and can i get it with a 512 MB 7600 GS OC?
Yes and yes ;)
#31
PhearFactor
As long as you can set-up a separate audio out you should be fine. Using the speakers in most monitors is not really a wise thing to do as the quality is often rubbish at best. If you wanted to use it on a PS3 for example I believe you can usually use things like; component audio or even the optical out. You can use this in conjunction with a HDMI to DVI cable that comes with the monitor. Maybe someone more clued up about a PS3/360s set-up could explain exactly what audio cables you need if this is what you are referring to.


I am currently using a PS3 and an Xbox 360 on a monitor like this, for the xbox all you have to do is buy a vga cable as they have audio ouput built into the cable (Ii recommend getting the offical one becuase a few people i know have had unofficial ones randomly die).

For PS3 it's quite simple, you plug a DVI - HDMI into the HDMI and plug an old PS2 style cable into the other port (can't remeber the name) and you just turn on the PS3 and change the audio settings. I think you get one of those cables with the PS3 too.

Hope that helps.
#32
Bardo
I wouldn't read too much into those reviews as they clearly refer to other models and not the one that's being discussed here. Fact is that if this monitor is just a rebadged copy of the OcUK model then you're getting A LOT of monitor for your money - don't forget that this is a P-MVA panel and not a cheap TN panel! That makes a lot more difference than you might realise...


Fair comment, I only posted because I remembered the name from these reviews I had read in Computer Buyer on this brand.
banned#33
For All That Are Going To Buy This Monitor, May I Suggest Going Through Quidco? They Offer 4% Bringing This Down To £202.42 Instead
#34
Hi PhearFactor,

Thanks for posting this deal :thumbsup:. I have already had and returned 2 of the OCUK versions, one because it had a crack in the screen and second one because it had bad backlight bleed and also poor viewing angle.

Could you pretty please take a few moments to perform a couple of tests for me before i click buy:

1) Using Dead Pixel Buddy, set a black background and let us know how the backlight bleed is? (as you probably know it will be different to just setting a black background on a desktop)

http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/Benchmarks/Dead-Pixel-Buddy.shtml


2) Using this following link, let us know how you describe any colour shift from red/green/grey and intensities when looking straight on at various distances from the screen and also when moving your head up and down::

http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/viewing_angle.php#angleGrey


If you could do that, i would be eternally grateful. I have also added heat and rep!! :)

Thanks
:)
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#35
[QUOTE=Spider~Pig]This monitor has a DVI-I connection just like my own monitor. The problem i have is that i can't use it because my gfx card has a DVI-D connection only, just like most new gfx cards i have looked at when considering changing to fit my monitor.
Does anybody know how you are are supposed to connect one of these via DVI? I have researched it but nobody does a DVI-I to DVI-D convertor.
QUOTE]

To connect the DVI-D (digital) output from your graphics card to the DVI-I (Integrated digital & analogue) socket on your monitor, just use a standard DVI-D to DVI-D cable (which will just connect the digital pins, & omit the analogue ones)
Have a look at the Wiki entry for an explanation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVI
suspended#36
Does this monitor have built in speakers? Looks like a great deal but I need to declutter. :oops:
banned#37
Spider~Pig
This monitor has a DVI-I connection just like my own monitor. The problem i have is that i can't use it because my gfx card has a DVI-D connection only, just like most new gfx cards i have looked at when considering changing to fit my monitor.
Does anybody know how you are are supposed to connect one of these via DVI? I have researched it but nobody does a DVI-I to DVI-D convertor.

http://img.misco.co.uk/images/uploadedimages/Gallery/large/200803201633289.jpg


Fortunately for me i have a xfx 8400gs graphics card that has a dvi to support hd but unfortunately for me, i just brought a plasma so i cant really go for this within the same month :w00t:
#38
I want to use this only with my PC to watch movies on mainly. I have a NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT graphics card. Will this monitor work well with that? Do I need extra cables? Sorry I'm clueless when it comes to monitors and stuff. Tried to learn about HDMI but its just confused me.
banned#39
Spider~Pig
This monitor has a DVI-I connection just like my own monitor. The problem i have is that i can't use it because my gfx card has a DVI-D connection only, just like most new gfx cards i have looked at when considering changing to fit my monitor.
Does anybody know how you are are supposed to connect one of these via DVI? I have researched it but nobody does a DVI-I to DVI-D convertor.

http://img.misco.co.uk/images/uploadedimages/Gallery/large/200803201633289.jpg



I dont really understand your question either to be honest, dvi connectors are all the same shape, different versions have different amount of pins. Just for clarification, do you know if your dvi-d is single or dual link? if its dual then any dvi cable will work in it.
banned#40
ozy123
I want to use this only with my PC to watch movies on mainly. I have a NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT graphics card. Will this monitor work well with that? Do I need extra cables? Sorry I'm clueless when it comes to monitors and stuff. Tried to learn about HDMI but its just confused me.


Dude, you need to specify who manufactured the grahics card? I.e msi, logiteck, xfx etc. Or tell us what connections the grx card has, in order for anyone to better answer your question. GT is a good card, but depending on who manufactured it some of the details may vary.

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