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#1
its cheap i give you that, but would pass on the so nicknamed 'Dethstar' hard drive, well £2 cheaper than scan is

Would rather pay another £10 and get a samsung spinpoint F3

http://www.scan.co.uk/product.aspx?ProductId=34968

Edit:
Just seen that the rpm of my link is lower than you have linked, making yours even better value.
#2
Blimey Deathstar was over 10 years ago and during the tenure of IBM!

Hope Hitachi have fixed things since then!
#3
terminus
Blimey Deathstar was over 10 years ago and during the tenure of IBM!

Hope Hitachi have fixed things since then!


Not something i would like to test really, i value keeping my data
#4
winifer
Not something i would like to test really, i value keeping my data


Then you are better buying a Blu Ray Burner if you value keeping your data, no hard disk is guaranteed to last, regardless of brand, and particularly more liable to crashes the more platters there are, which can be a problem with all large capacity hard disks.
#5
At the price they're going for now buying two and setting up a RAID array is the best way of securing your data.
#6
Another vote for just setting up 2 1TB drives in RAID. It's not only safer, but it's also a lot quicker when storing data to have the drive on which the data is stored, not being the same drive on which your operating system is located.
#7
2TB=2048GB unformatted
#8
been cheaper at aria recently - under 100 for the drive plus del - 105 delivered
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Computerman
2TB=2048GB unformatted


sorry i'm afraid that's wrong.. 'Computerman' ;-)

The word Tera means 1000000000000, therefore 1 Terabyte = 1000000000000 bytes,

As we know computers are digital and use binary.

1000( mega ) in decimal is an inconvenient number of 1111101000 in binary, whereby 1024 decimal is a nice round 10000000000

This convenient binary roundness is the reason why 1024 bytes has become a standard as being 1 Megabyte in MOST computer related terms, however ( as explained above ) technically it is incorrect.

Anyway, regardless of which is the right or wrong way, manufacturers of hard disk drives use the decimal base to calculate the hard drive sizes, both ways are legal to use, but afaik ALL hard drive sizes are calculated this way, and always have been.

therefore....

In terms of hard drive storage space 2tb = 2000gb, it has absolutely nothing to do with formatted or unformatted capacity, this is a very common myth.
#11


No, it might have been then, but it's £104.50 total, delivered

I would still go for eBuyer, even though I don't trust a word their forums say!
#12
Okay... I'm sure it doesn't

but will this work in a PS3, if not, what do I need to look for in a drive that would work there?
#13
winifer
Just seen that the rpm of my link is lower than you have linked, making yours even better value.

That depends on what you want to do. It may be faster, but I am afraid it may run very hot. I had 7200rpm hard drives overheat before, and I would like to avoid another fan just for the disk. Any idea how much power it uses?
#14
SSD all the way imo :D
#15
jayjayuk1234
sorry i'm afraid that's wrong.. 'Computerman' ;-)

The word Tera means 1000000000000, therefore 1 Terabyte = 1000000000000 bytes,

As we know computers are digital and use binary.

1000( mega ) in decimal is an inconvenient number of 1111101000 in binary, whereby 1024 decimal is a nice round 10000000000

This convenient binary roundness is the reason why 1024 bytes has become a standard as being 1 Megabyte in MOST computer related terms, however ( as explained above ) technically it is incorrect.

Anyway, regardless of which is the right or wrong way, manufacturers of hard disk drives use the decimal base to calculate the hard drive sizes, both ways are legal to use, but afaik ALL hard drive sizes are calculated this way, and always have been.

therefore....

In terms of hard drive storage space 2tb = 2000gb, it has absolutely nothing to do with formatted or unformatted capacity, this is a very common myth.


Wow, serious case of deja vu here! I'm sure this same discussion turned up for the last had drive deal!! :-D I'm sure there was one more bit of the discussion, something about Gb meaning one thing and Gib meaning the other?

I think the most frustrating thing is that the usable space of this drive isn't 2000gb, or 2048gb, it's a fair bit less. So it's all just a conspiracy by hard drive manufacturers and sellers to make their drives sound really big and frustrate those who thought they might be able to actually put 2 terabytes of data on to it....:whistling:
#16
MrPuddington
That depends on what you want to do. It may be faster, but I am afraid it may run very hot. I had 7200rpm hard drives overheat before, and I would like to avoid another fan just for the disk. Any idea how much power it uses?


They're also noisier, I'm starting to see 5400rpm and slower drives being promoted for silent computers...
#17
mohikan22
SSD all the way imo :D


You've got a 2TB SSD then I take it? :roll:
#19
terminus
Blimey Deathstar was over 10 years ago and during the tenure of IBM!

Hope Hitachi have fixed things since then!


They don't seem to have fixed it on their 1TB SATA drives, I've had 3 with CRC errors in the last 12 months
#20
mohikan22
SSD all the way imo :D

Yes, everyone should have an SSD as a system drive - totally transforms a PC.

For storage at a reasonable price, you should have a spinning drive as well.
#21
nihcaj
No, it might have been then...

I would still go for eBuyer, even though I don't trust a word their forums say!


Why? :?
#22
Talicus
Another vote for just setting up 2 1TB drives in RAID. It's not only safer, but it's also a lot quicker when storing data to have the drive on which the data is stored, not being the same drive on which your operating system is located.


To write data on two different drives in a mirror RAID setup you will need at least 3 drives.
#23
I've got a 1TB Hitachi for the last year not had any problems with it as of yet! Also another 400GB Hitachi drive for nearly 2 years that has been running fine as well I was vary of the deathstar issues but not faced any myself! At this price point these are value for money!
#24
statto
At the price they're going for now buying two and setting up a RAID array is the best way of securing your data.
Dear God, why do they let amateurs use computers?

For the millionth time, RAID is not backup! How does RAID secure your data against accidental file deletion or burglary?

The only way to secure data is verified backups, multiple copies, some kept offsite.
#25
valueseeker
Dear God, why do they let amateurs use computers?

For the millionth time, RAID is not backup! How does RAID secure your data against accidental file deletion or burglary?

The only way to secure data is verified backups, multiple copies, some kept offsite.


Or get a mac as they will never crash or loose data.
#26
This drive is a POS. It makes loud clanking noises from time to time (no it is not broken) usually it is quite quiet however but it can be LOUD. It is also runs hotter than the sun. I bought it a few weeks ago and considered taking it back....but using it as an external drive and bought a 1TB WD Caviar Black, which is awesome.....for my HTPC.
#27
tubbyasstoo
They don't seem to have fixed it on their 1TB SATA drives, I've had 3 with CRC errors in the last 12 months


I have several of their 1tb drive in constant use (downloading, media streaming, video re-encoding ) for over a year now and have not had any trouble with them. But even if there was a problem it wouldn't matter as I keep all data backed up (4tb backup storage).

I have had 3 external drives fail on me 2 WD drives and a Maxtor.
#28
leedale30
Or get a mac as they will never crash or loose data.


Haha. Yes, the harddrives in macs are totally different to the ones in PCs or the one on sale here .... oh wait, no they arent.

Good deals, hopefully these price drops will translate to externals as well.
#29
AddictWeb
Haha. Yes, the harddrives in macs are totally different to the ones in PCs or the one on sale here .... oh wait, no they arent.

Good deals, hopefully these price drops will translate to externals as well.


Have you never seen the adverts??!! would apple lie?
#30
leedale30
Or get a mac as they will never crash or loose data.


Bol*cks, that why they have their own backup & restore program.

valueseeker
Dear God, why do they let amateurs use computers?

For the millionth time, RAID is not backup! How does RAID secure your data against accidental file deletion or burglary?

The only way to secure data is verified backups, multiple copies, some kept offsite.


And now for the rest of us in the real world of home user's that don't want to spend all our backing up you may want to consider a on-line backup solution. Just got a 1.5tb iOmega from comet £89.99 and comes with 2gb on-line back up free granted no huge but for the important letters and a few pics it's ideal (extra space at extra cost).

IMO the way to go, unless you enjoy spending your Sundays backing up then whizzing it round to mates for off site storage :whistling:
#31
credington
To write data on two different drives in a mirror RAID setup you will need at least 3 drives.
How do you mean? A RAID-1 setup uses two disks and every write is duplicated to both disks.

Matt
#32
leedale30
Or get a mac as they will never crash or loose data.


Remind me again how this protects your data when some thug breaks in and nicks your mac to flog down the pub ?

For important data, multiple backups - one in an onsite tape safe and one held off site are the best way forward.

BTW: you gotta love some people - that post disputing hard drive size was made at 2:18 this morning - that's taking pedantry to the extreme :w00t:
#33
karthur
It is also runs hotter than the sun.


Dammit! the sun runs hot? I was going to install it in my PC this weekend......
#34
Bowler_man
Bol*cks, that why they have their own backup & restore program.



And now for the rest of us in the real world of home user's that don't want to spend all our backing up you may want to consider a on-line backup solution. Just got a 1.5tb iOmega from comet £89.99 and comes with 2gb on-line back up free granted no huge but for the important letters and a few pics it's ideal (extra space at extra cost).

IMO the way to go, unless you enjoy spending your Sundays backing up then whizzing it round to mates for off site storage :whistling:


That obviously depends on how much you value your data. Working as a network admin we take backups very seriously (obviously). I can't personally see how 2 Tb drives are aimed at the home market - you'd need a lot of music, videos, pictures etc to come close to filling that up - so you either take lots and lots of home movies / pictures or have a huge collection of CDs or a permanent connection to bit torrent ?

If you're spending that much time filling up your 2Tb drive, then the additional time spent sorting out a backup, in my opinion, is time well spent !

I agree, you don't need a commercial solution, pick up a 1Tb NAS box (ebuyer have the Linkstation for £120ish) and use that - a lot safer than a raid array !
#35
That obviously depends on how much you value your data. Working as a network admin we take backups very seriously (obviously). I can't personally see how 2 Tb drives are aimed at the home market - you'd need a lot of music, videos, pictures etc to come close to filling that up - so you either take lots and lots of home movies / pictures or have a huge collection of CDs or a permanent connection to bit torrent ?

If you're spending that much time filling up your 2Tb drive, then the additional time spent sorting out a backup, in my opinion, is time well spent !

Bit Torrent, yes. I've just come back from a week away, and in that time have left my PC downloading. I haven't filled 2Tb admittedly, but it all builds up quite quickly!
#36
tin
Dammit! the sun runs hot? I was going to install it in my PC this weekend......



Yes. Leave it on for a few hours and it will take the skin off your fingers (or very close to). It is a real piece of crap. The funny thing is that I knew better...I have 20 years experience with hardware working for multi-national companies, and I know all about Hitachi/IBM's record with hard drives in the past...but I thought....damn..Hitachi is Japanese...and they must have worked things out by now...and the price is so cheap for 2TB....

anyway. Stay away.
#37
karthur
Yes. Leave it on for a few hours and it will take the skin off your fingers (or very close to). It is a real piece of crap. The funny thing is that I knew better...I have 20 years experience with hardware working for multi-national companies, and I know all about Hitachi/IBM's record with hard drives in the past...but I thought....damn..Hitachi is Japanese...and they must have worked things out by now...and the price is so cheap for 2TB....

anyway. Stay away.


LOL put the Hitachi down and walk away slowly :-D
#38
simonspeakeasy
Bit Torrent, yes. I've just come back from a week away, and in that time have left my PC downloading. I haven't filled 2Tb admittedly, but it all builds up quite quickly!


It does take some time but keep at it shouldn't take to long ;-)
#39
Hitachi drives are the pits.

Ignore all the comments about Deathstar thats old news but Hitachi are still the worst producer of hard drives. ALL makes of hard drive have failures just the same as all makes of cars have a failure. So you can not fully trust any brand of dive, you need a decent backup solution in place to protect you from the inevitable drive failure.

The thing is though I have maintained hundreds of PC's and Macs that come with a variety of drives pre-installed and there is one thing that has been guaranteed and that is Hitachi drives have NEVER managed to reach 3 years old without failure. The first thing I do now when a new PC arrives is check to see what drive it has in it and if it is hitachi I rip it out and replace it with something else.

There will be people who don't want to believe it and say things like "I have had an hitachi drive for a year now and had no problems' well lucky for you, don't take any notice of those of us who are trying to give you advice about not wasting your money. Your choice but there is a reason Hitachi are always the cheapest.
#40
MerlinsMate

I agree, you don't need a commercial solution, pick up a 1Tb NAS box (ebuyer have the Linkstation for £120ish) and use that - a lot safer than a raid array !


Maybe you can explain the difference between putting two drives in a pc and mirroring it (as suggested earlier) and the NAS or Ext Drive, which would be a mirror copy of your data.

It would also not meet your recommendation of off site backups.

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