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2TB Samsung HD204UI/Z4, SpinPoint EcoGreen F4EG SATA 3Gb/s, 32MB Cache, 8.9 ms, NCQ

* Serial ATA 3.0Gbps Interface Support.
* Improved recording stability over temperature with PMR.
* Advanced dynamic FOD control for best data integrity.
* Intelligent compensation of external disturbance.
* SATA Native Command Queuing Feature.
* Device Initiated SATA Power Management.
* Shock & Rotational vibration sensor.
* Environment friendly product with RoHS compliance.
* Improved performance with dual-ARM based firmware.
* ATA S.M.A.R.T. Compliant.
* ATA Automatic Acoustic Management Feature.
* ATA 48-bit Address Feature.
* ATA Device Configuration Overlay Feature.
* NoiseGuard
* SilentSeek
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#1
Please dont use scan, they seem to think Inverness is not on the UK mainland and sneakly try to charge £12.75 delivery. More than that to republic of Ireland
Even when a member of AV Forums ..... etc to get free delivery
#2
stu3k
Please dont use scan, they seem to think Inverness is not on the UK mainland and sneakly try to charge £12.75 delivery. More than that to republic of Ireland
Even when a member of AV Forums ..... etc to get free delivery


I hope you've emailed the buggers?
#3
2TB Samsung SpinPoint EcoGreen Hard Drive
2TB Samsung HD204UI/Z4, SpinPoint EcoGreen F4EG SATA 3Gb/s, 32MB Cache, 8.9 ms, NCQ


In Stock. The NEW EcoGreen F4!

667GBFormatted Capacity Per Disk ??? oO
#4
TopBear
2TB Samsung SpinPoint EcoGreen Hard Drive
2TB Samsung HD204UI/Z4, SpinPoint EcoGreen F4EG SATA 3Gb/s, 32MB Cache, 8.9 ms, NCQ


In Stock. The NEW EcoGreen F4!

667GBFormatted Capacity Per Disk ??? oO


Its per platter and there r 3 platters
#5
soz noob question
can I buy this and put it in an external HDD case? If so what size 3" or 2"?
#6
And can someone recommend a firewire external case. Or just a good priced firewire Hard Disk! (500Gb or over)!
:3
... I have no idea what that cat means.
#7
Dog slow these drives particularly across USB2.0! I tried to full format one and after 10 hours it had only done 33%!!!! Decent enough for media storage though. See the other thread for benchmarks on this drive
#8
dodoegg1
soz noob question
can I buy this and put it in an external HDD case? If so what size 3" or 2"?


Yes. 3.5".
#9
I would never use scan again, if an item is missing from an order they'll deny responsibility and blame it on the customer.

Worst customer service in the world, had to charge back to get money back!!!
#10
Picard123


Yes. 3.5".


Thanks are they pre-formatted to NTSF? I would want to convert it to fat 32 but wouldnt want to go through with this 10 hour formatting
#11
I'm waiting on a 4tb, if they EVER appear...
#12
Great price for a great drive. From scan too, great company.
1 Like #13
ultraal2003
I would never use scan again, if an item is missing from an order they'll deny responsibility and blame it on the customer.Worst customer service in the world, had to charge back to get money back!!!

Agree , customer service very poor , I returned a graphics card under warranty , they refused to accept that it was faulty , argument still ongoing.
#14
dodoegg1
Picard123


Yes. 3.5".


Thanks are they pre-formatted to NTSF? I would want to convert it to fat 32 but wouldnt want to go through with this 10 hour formatting


More than likely but also you could easily do a quick format to FAT32 instead (should be a lot quicker).
#15
Scotty Boy


More than likely but also you could easily do a quick format to FAT32 instead (should be a lot quicker).


Thanks but who am I to believe you, or this below?

Picard123
Dog slow these drives particularly across USB2.0! I tried to full format one and after 10 hours it had only done 33%!!!! Decent enough for media storage though. See the other thread for benchmarks on this drive


I already have a 1tb that swissknife has completely bollocksed up and it has locked it at 400gb fat 32 that I cannot reverse (tried to put it back to 1tb on 3 pcs and they all freeze when formatting the hdd in disk management). I don't want to waste another 70 quid on something that wont format to fat32



Edited By: dodoegg1 on Nov 03, 2010 21:33: ..
#16
dodoegg1
Thanks but who am I to believe you, or this below?


Both!

The drive is unformatted, so you can choose to format it anyway that you choose whether that be NTFS or FAT32 - your choice!

As for formatting, you can choose Quick Format (which takes seconds to complete) or Full Format which scans the drives for errors as it formats. Its the scanning which takes the time.

Edited By: Picard123 on Nov 03, 2010 21:37: .
#17
Picard123
dodoegg1
Thanks but who am I to believe you, or this below?


Both!

The drive is unformatted, so you can choose to format it anyway that you choose whether that be NTFS or FAT32 - your choice!

As for formatting, you can choose Quick Format (which takes seconds to complete) or Full Format which scans the drives for errors as it formats. Its the scanning which takes the time.


ok thanks as soon as I can get someone to buy my unused but unformattable 1tb (for an insultingly low amount no doubt) then I'll get one of these
#18
Windows won't let you format this is FAT32
(but why? NTFS offers better performance, fault correction etc. / FAT32 still good choice if you want to swap drive between Mac/PC)

to format a drive as FAT32 under WIndows:
use Swissknife or fat32format.exe
(my preference is the latter).

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=swissknife
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=fat32format.exe
#19
You can format FAT32 from a MS DOS command line.

Start > programs > accessories > command prompt

Seriously though guys (and gals), these 5400rpm Samsung drives really are DOG SLOW.

I wish I had gone for a 7200rpm drive.


Edited By: Picard123 on Nov 03, 2010 22:25: .
#20
The only drawback to using fat32 is the 4gb file size limit
#21
plap
Windows won't let you format this is FAT32
(but why? NTFS offers better performance, fault correction etc. / FAT32 still good choice if you want to swap drive between Mac/PC)

to format a drive as FAT32 under WIndows:
use Swissknife or fat32format.exe
(my preference is the latter).

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=swissknife

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=fat32format.exe


Swissknife is what got me into this mess in the first place. I won't be going near that again. Joker program!
I need to convert to fat32 so its compatible with ps3 as playtv records mammoth sizes for the smallest of recordings so I need to stick it on an external.

Windows just will not format it, I'm asking it to delete the 400gb fat32 partition that swissknife perplexingly created and just start again. When I format using disk management it takes hours, gets to about 40% then the PC locks up. I cannot find a way round it.
#22
dodoegg - you need to go to control panel, view by large icon or small icon, not by category,

then administrative tools,

computer management,

then disk management on the left.

Identify which drive it is by its drive letter, then right click and delete volume.

If you were only showing 400gb of a 1TB drive then that first partition should only be taking up half the space.

Then download fat32format.exe and run it (I use fat32formatter.exe, but I think it's the same program).

Again find the drive by letter, to make sure you're not formatting your system drive, and you should be good to go.

I always use quick format unless I suspect or am aware of a specific problem with the drive.

New drives should be absolutely fine with quick format.
#23
I used Fat32Formatter.exe to format a 500GB to FAT32
because of the 32GB restriction with Windows 7.

I needed FAT32 for my Denon avr-3808 amp.

It takes seconds just like quick format.
#24
No 4TB drives but there is the WD 3TB drive
but comes with capacity problems.
http://hothardware.com/Reviews/Western-Digital-Caviar-Green-3TB-Hard-Drive-Review/

Another reason for Linux over Windows.
#25
Ho hum, another F4 thread with yet another person slagging off the speed of them. They are *not* "dog slow" - I had a couple of Samsung F1's that I was happy with (116Mbytes/sec for contiguous reads) and the F4 is definitely faster than that. It's particularly quick at moving/copying large files either between partitions on the same drive or to a second F4 and considering the large capacity, that's something you'll be doing a lot!

I'm a bit "disappointed" that we haven't had someone come on and criticise it as an OS drive yet like we've had in previous F4 offers - come on you naysayers, get your keyboards out and claim you should never put an OS on it...I'm waiting...

This is a very good all-round drive - it's cheap, fast, quiet and runs cool...so what's not to like?

Edited By: rkl on Nov 04, 2010 07:41: Rephrasing
#26
Ive got one of these drives from a previous deal. Using it as a OS drive on my server and seems fine to be honest, probably a little faster than an older IDE 7200rpm drive I was using as an OS drive.

Hot deal!
#27
£12.50 postage to NI, even with AVForums - same drive with free postage is £73 from Amazon.
#28
Why is this hot? This drive was 70 from ebuyer a week ago with delivery. It's also slower than WD EcoGreen series.
#29
CTPAHHIK
Why is this hot? This drive was 70 from ebuyer a week ago with delivery. It's also slower than WD EcoGreen series.


Well, I'm no mathmatician, but as £68.14 is less than £70, some people might consider that a hotter deal.

Delivery from Scan is free if you register for AV forums.

The free delivery from Ebuyer isn't available for everyone, I'm 30 miles from Edinburgh so I get £7 delivery added to anything and I'm only offered 4 working days delivery, although it never gets posted until 3 working days of my wait. I like the retailer but to hold onto goods for longer than is neccesary and for no good reason seems bizarre, and to have to pay for the privelige, well - salt, wounds, rubbing, into - rearrange these words to form a sentence.

I've had an order arrive from scan 20 hours after I bought online, free delivery.

I now save up things I need to buy from ebuyer to spread the postage costs across several items. Sometimes the prices rise or items go out of stock and then ebuyer lose that sale. Not a good business model, but they seem to be doing okay, alas they could be doing better.
#30
titanwars
I'm waiting on a 4tb, if they EVER appear...


You will have to have an additional pci card to handle any drives over 2tb due to limits of windows.

There is currently a 3tb western digital hdd with an add in card.
#31
B0GiE
titanwars
I'm waiting on a 4tb, if they EVER appear...


You will have to have an additional pci card to handle any drives over 2tb due to limits of windows.

There is currently a 3tb western digital hdd with an add in card.


even with 64bit?
#32
Correct me if I am wrong, but after reading this article on 4k sectors:
http://seagate.com/docs/pdf/whitepaper/tp613_transition_to_4k_sectors.pdf
I assume that it is possible to align Advanced Format drives (those ones, which are not provided with a special aligning software by HD manufacturer) for Windows XP usage with 3rd party 4k-aware partitioning utility:
"The most critical aspect of a smooth and successful transition to 4K sectors used in Advanced Format is to promote the use of 4K-aware hard drive partitioning tools."
"When using third-party software or utilities to create hard drive partitions, check with your vendor to make sure they are updated and confirmed to be 4K aware."
http://seagate.com/docs/pdf/whitepaper/tp613_transition_to_4k_sectors.pdf

So to align properly for Win XP usage for example Samsung 2TB F4EG HD204UI one has to find a 3rd party software tool for partitioning, which is 4k-aware, and use that software to partition such disk instead of Windows XP Disk Manager.

Are there any free 4k-aware partitioning tools for Windows XP?

Also would re-aligning utilities provided by WD and Seagate work with other manufacturers HDs like Samsung?

From that article I learnt also that even the newer OSes like Windows 7 do not use 4k sectors directly, they still have to use 512 B sectors. Those newer systems are only capable of aligning Advanced Format hard drives properly during their partitioning, without the need to use 3rd party 4K-aware partitioning software, and that's all:
"there are many aspects of modern computing systems that continue to assume that sectors are always 512 bytes. To transition the entire industry over to the new 4K standard and expect all of these legacy assumptions to suddenly change is simply not realistic. Over time, the implementation of native 4K sectors, where both host and hard drive exchange data in 4K blocks, will take place. Until then, hard drive manufacturers will implement the 4K sector transition in conjunction with a technique called 512-byte sector emulation."
http://seagate.com/docs/pdf/whitepaper/tp613_transition_to_4k_sectors.pdf

"The sector size increase, described by Advanced Format, occurs at the hard drive media level. Host systems will continue to request and receive data from the hard drive in 512-byte sector sizes. However, the translation from 4096-byte sectors in the hard drive to the 512-byte sectors in the host will be managed in the hard drive. This process is called 512-byte emulation. It’s important that every drive partition start with an LBA offset that is aligned to the drive’s physical 4K sector. If partitions are un-aligned, then hard drive performance will be degraded."
"How can partition misalignment conditions be managed?
The first management step is to avoid misaligned conditions in the first place. This can be achieved by creating hard drive partitions with a 4K aware version of your operating system or through a hard drive imaging software product."
"The second method to managing misaligned partitions is to use partition-alignment software to identify and fix misaligned partitions. This technique should be used during the hard drive integration process."
http://seagate.com/docs/pdf/whitepaper/mb604_4k_transition_faq.pdf

"It’s not practical to make host computer systems talk in 4K native language – at least for a while. There are just too many places the 512 byte assumption is embedded. So, while hard drives will transition to 4K sectors physical sectors on the media, they will still “look and talk” like 512 byte formats to host computers. They will actually emulate 512 byte communications to hosts. This works well as long as the logical 512 byte assumptions from the host computer are aligned with the 4K sectors on the hard drive."
"It turns out that when a hard drive partition is created, the starting position can vary. A 4K drive format is set to work under the assumption that the first 512 byte sector (Logical Block Address = 0) will align perfectly with the first physical 4K sector".
"Alignment 0 ... works well for hard drives & 512 byte emulation because they can neatly map eight 512 byte logical blocks into a single sector. Sometimes hard drive partitions get created so the logical to physical alignment is off...".
"This is called Alignment 1 and it’s not so good for 4K drives when it comes to emulating 512 byte legacy sectors, especially when writing data. Essentially, this alignment can often cause a hard drive to manage a write with extra disc rotations, which slows things down. The results can be sort of dramatic as shown by these test results at HOTHARDWARE.com:
http://hothardware.com/Articles/WDs-1TB-Caviar-Green-w-Advanced-Format-Windows-XP-Users-Pay-Attention/?page=2 "
"The Windows XP situation seems fairly well understood in the marketplace. What is much less understood is the situation with cloning and imaging software. System builders, integrators and IT organizations frequently rely on these tools to configure systems for sale or deployment in their organization. Even if you are using Windows Vista or Windows 7, if your hard drive was partitioned with one of these utilities, you’re likely to end up with an un-aligned partition with the potential for poor performance."
http://consumer.media.seagate.com/2010/03/the-digital-den/4k-sector-hard-drive-primer/

Video on 4K sectors:
http://www.techinsight.tv/seagate-on-4k-technology.html
http://usingwindowshomeserver.com/2010/07/27/4k-sectors-and-the-future-of-hard-drives/
Seagate manages aligment problems in the background without any interaction or knowledge of user.

BTW, a warning against 2TB hard drives:
http://www.clearfoundation.com/component/option,com_kunena/Itemid,232/catid,24/func,view/id,15489/#15489

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