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2TB Western Digital HDD (5400RPM) 64 MB Cache - £53.99 @ Scan (Today Only)

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2TB HDD for around the same price as a 1.5TB and £10 more than a 1TB! Absolute Bargain! Don't forget to sign up on the forums for free delivery! (seriously, 2 minutes guys, long enough to make a … Read More
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2TB HDD for around the same price as a 1.5TB and £10 more than a 1TB! Absolute Bargain!

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Be careful of these green drives as they're known to have high load cycle counts in very short period of time:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=western+digital+green+load+cycle+count

My two WD greens suffer from it but my WD Black is fine.
#2
Singh
Be careful of these green drives as they're known to have high load cycle counts in very short period of time:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=western+digital+green+load+cycle+count

My two WD greens suffer from it but my WD Black is fine.


Yeah, though there is a solution a firmware update but you need to stick it in a pc to to this. I have only a laptop. DAMN IT
#3
You can use WDIDLE3 to set the head-park timeout higher (it defaults to 8 seconds, I have mine set to 30 seconds which resolves the high LCC). If you're running it under Windows you should be fine with the default, but if you're using Linux and/or have the drive in a NAS I'd recommend adjusting the setting with WDIDLE3.


Edited By: James123 on Apr 26, 2011 21:00: a
#4
How do you get this price comes up at 58.78
1 Like #5
caddyroo
How do you get this price comes up at 58.78

You have to go to the "today only" page http://www.scan.co.uk/todayonly/index.aspx and add it to the basket from there.
#6
crap, thanks for the info, i have one of these... what program can check the load cycle count of a drive?
#7
Singh
Be careful of these green drives as they're known to have high load cycle counts in very short period of time:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=western+digital+green+load+cycle+count

My two WD greens suffer from it but my WD Black is fine.


First I'd heard of that, I have one of these for storage. Fortunately it's a bare drive and plugged in when needed.
1 Like #8
The fix seems to be in dos, anything for a mac?
5 Likes #9
mrplay
The fix seems to be in dos, anything for a mac?

Buy a proper computer and don’t forget to pick up your suede polar necks from the dry cleaners on the weekend.
#10
arnoldma
crap, thanks for the info, i have one of these... what program can check the load cycle count of a drive?


I use HD Tune Pro (http://www.hdtune.com). The heath tab will show you the count.

I used WDIDLE3 (http://support.wdc.com/product/download.asp?groupid=609&sid=113) to update the time limit to 300 seconds (5 mins) for both of my greens. Despite this I still managed to rack up over a hundred LCCs in a matter of days with very few shutdowns/restarts - but a massive improvement over what it used to be. My WD Black doesn't behave like this though - tends to only park and unpark at shutdown and startup. You can use WDIDLE3 to disable the intellipark feature altogether but from my research I heard it was not recommended.

I'd hate for anyone to potentially lose 1 or 2 TB worth of data...so spread the word and apply the tweak...


Edited By: Singh on Apr 26, 2011 22:07: .
#11
Suede polar necks would be a bit clammy :p

I had a look at it seems most people use /D which sets it to somewhere just over an hour.

Checked my WDC Black (though a 2.5" one) and it's only on 191 since I had this laptop June/July 2009.
#12
Apparently the WDIDLE3 setting is not adjustable on newer models? Can anyone confirm as I read this on the Netgear ReadyNAS forums i use to visit when I was using the Caviar Green drives in my NAS.

I adjusted the settings on my drives fine however some people had reported that after receiving a newer version of the drive by RMA , they were not able to adjust the setting.
#13
was looking to get one of these, just bought the following

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/acer-m3400-blu-ray-desktop-tower-6-core-399-99-argos/925808

wanting to add one of these as a additional hdd, could anybody possibly advise, if this load cycle would be a problem for me. don't really understand what that means. looking for a simple explanation.
#14
5aq1b
Apparently the WDIDLE3 setting is not adjustable on newer models? Can anyone confirm as I read this on the Netgear ReadyNAS forums i use to visit when I was using the Caviar Green drives in my NAS.

I adjusted the settings on my drives fine however some people had reported that after receiving a newer version of the drive by RMA , they were not able to adjust the setting.


Not sure about that to be honest.

Can't see any logical reason why WD would do that....unless they have created new revisions that fix the issue?
#15
It says £58.78 Inc VAT on the link provided?
#16
PSmith222
It says £58.78 Inc VAT on the link provided?

James123
caddyroo
How do you get this price comes up at 58.78

You have to go to the "today only" page http://www.scan.co.uk/todayonly/index.aspx and add it to the basket from there.
#17
5aq1b
Apparently the WDIDLE3 setting is not adjustable on newer models? Can anyone confirm as I read this on the Netgear ReadyNAS forums i use to visit when I was using the Caviar Green drives in my NAS.

I adjusted the settings on my drives fine however some people had reported that after receiving a newer version of the drive by RMA , they were not able to adjust the setting.

Well i just had 2 of these delivered today, having read all this sh1t which i had bought another brand, I love WD as a rule, i have 5 Blacks and never missed a beat, never heard of this "load cycle counts" can someone confirm i have the following right?
This "load cycle counts" refers to the amount of times the Green drive "Parks" itself (meaning powers down and goes into some kind of stand by mode) I hear it's good for 1m times, is the best way just to turn it off (which i think is called option 3) and that would just mean it never parks itself.
I have bought these two drives for storing of mp3's on one and avi/mkv/iso's etc.

All1
#18
I have an old PC that uses IDE drives what cable would I need to connect this so I can use widdle?

and these aren't grey imports are they?

thanks
1 Like #19
Ali2k
was looking to get one of these, just bought the following

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/acer-m3400-blu-ray-desktop-tower-6-core-399-99-argos/925808

wanting to add one of these as a additional hdd, could anybody possibly advise, if this load cycle would be a problem for me. don't really understand what that means. looking for a simple explanation.


In basic terms, every hard drive has an estimated number of "load count cycles". LCC refers to the number of times the heads on the drive can physically be parked (moved out of the way) and unparked (pulled back in to read/write data). WD says that for these drives, the guaranteed LCC is 300,000 times. After that there WD cannot guarantee that the drive will function reliably.

The problem is, by default, WD has programmed the drives to park the heads after 8 seconds of inactivity. That's creating an explosion in the number of parking/unparking cycles (LCC). People are getting crazy figures like 35,000 cycles in a few months. 35,000 out of the 300,000 = 12% drive life used within months!

In response, WD have released a tool that lets you tweak the drive and change the time limit to something more sensible as 8 seconds is way too quick. I personally changed it to 300 seconds, others disable the "intellipark" feature (which actually just changes the timeout limit to 3780 seconds or 63 mins).
#20
Singh
Ali2k
was looking to get one of these, just bought the following

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/acer-m3400-blu-ray-desktop-tower-6-core-399-99-argos/925808

wanting to add one of these as a additional hdd, could anybody possibly advise, if this load cycle would be a problem for me. don't really understand what that means. looking for a simple explanation.


In basic terms, every hard drive has an estimated number of "load count cycles". LCC refers to the number of times the heads on the drive can physically be parked (moved out of the way) and unparked (pulled back in to read/write data). WD says that for these drives, the guaranteed LCC is 300,000 times. After that there WD cannot guarantee that the drive will function reliably.

The problem is, by default, WD has programmed the drives to park the heads after 8 seconds of inactivity. That's creating an explosion in the number of parking/unparking cycles (LCC). People are getting crazy figures like 35,000 cycles in a few months. 35,000 out of the 300,000 = 12% drive life used within months!

In response, WD have released a tool that lets you tweak the drive and change the time limit to something more sensible as 8 seconds is way too quick. I personally changed it to 300 seconds, others disable the "intellipark" feature (which actually just changes the timeout limit to 3780 seconds or 63 mins).


When did WD release the tool mate?

I don't know if it was a WD Tool i used or not. I did have to hook the drive up to a spare sata port on another PC and boot from DOS to change the settings though.
#21
superzab
I have an old PC that uses IDE drives what cable would I need to connect this so I can use widdle?

and these aren't grey imports are they?

thanks


Assuming the motherboard doesn't have any SATA ports:

You might need some sort of IDE to SATA adapter/converter, but no guarantees it will work. Failing that, a simple PCI SATA card?

Both a waste of money if you're only going to use it once to update the drive and then never use it again. Do you have a friend who might allow you to connect to their PC? The procedure takes literally 5 minutes from beginning to end including opening/closing the PC case.

5aq1b
When did WD release the tool mate?

I don't know if it was a WD Tool i used or not. I did have to hook the drive up to a spare sata port on another PC and boot from DOS to change the settings though.


That sounds like the WDIDLE3 tool to me.

According to the link it was published on 04/2010 so 1 year ago. http://support.wdc.com/product/download.asp?groupid=609&sid=113

There's a massive thread on this over at WD forums:

http://community.wdc.com/t5/Desktop/Green-Caviar-High-Load-Cycle-Cout-after-short-operation-time/td-p/15731
#22
Personally i'd avoid these green drives and go for the 7200k drives where you can.
#23
I'm a huge WD fan, but these Greens are quite disappointing for me (well, in their default factory state). Will stick to Black from now on.
#24
Thanks for the WD thread link Singh, bookmarked it and will read it later, too late now.

All1
#25
I would go for the cavier black but its more than double this price for 2TB, but for the 1TB the disparity isn't so much.
1 Like #26
Price, power and noise are the only drawbacks with Black, but in return you get a faster drive with 5 year guarantee. But then again, you might not need speed if you only want the drives for storage.

I only wanted the Greens for storage and Blacks would have been overkill for that task. Had I known earlier about this issue before buying the Greens, I would have preferred to overkill it and buy Blacks rather than risk any data on a drive that could 'potentially' fail in a year - potentially because who knows what will happen after 300,000 cycles, it might work just fine.

There are a also rumours of the Blue ones doing the same thing so that leaves only Black for the diehard WD fans. But anyway, the tweak seems to be ok for most people so I guess the Greens are not so bad, but still disappointing that we should have to do all this work to ensure reliability of our drives!

Edited By: Singh on Apr 26, 2011 23:58
#27
So if i'm getting right all hd with 8s will suffer that.
where I can find forums to sign in for free delivery thanks.
#29
Jesus wish i'd never bought my 2 x 2TB now can't even send em back as i've open the bags, not even put them in case or powered them up, kind of expensive paperweights.

All1
#30
can anybody advise what is the next best alternative (any other brand) to these other than the WD Black, which are much more expensive ?
#31
y26k
can anybody advise what is the next best alternative (any other brand) to these other than the WD Black, which are much more expensive ?


The 2TB Samsung drives are probably the best bet. Yes there were issues with data corruption, but they seem to be solved now.

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