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500GB Seagate ST3500601XS-RK External eSATA 7200rpm 16MB Cache with 2 Port eSATA Controller PC/MAC

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#1
Important: if brakes after 1st year RMA the drive along to Seagate – drive is still covered by full 5 years warranty irrespectable of use in enclosure or not – for this register the drive only with its own S/N. Inside is ST3500320AS 16Mb cache (with NCQ)

http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/support/

Will work P&Play with Dell 420 from a recent deal – no card needed – E-SATA integrated in the mobo. Interface is currently fastest and will become much more common soon - should be at least on 30% low and 60% mid-high end pcs made in 2008. Anyway you can always install a card.

Worth to buy for a drive along.
#2
sweet, and an e-sata card too
#3
olmer
Important: if brakes after 1st year RMA the drive along to Seagate – drive is still covered by full 5 years warranty irrespectable of use in enclosure or not – for this register the drive only with its own S/N. Inside is ST3500320AS 16Mb cache (with NCQ)

http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/support/

Will work P&Play with Dell 420 from a recent deal – no card needed – E-SATA integrated in the mobo. Interface is currently fastest and will become much more common soon - should be at least on 30% low and 60% mid-high end pcs made in 2008. Anyway you can always install a card.

Worth to buy for a drive along.
Is this particular enclosure easy to open? The FreeAgent certainly isn't.

I would also be surprised if the drive has independent warranty. I would have thought that it would designated OEM by serial number & therefore ineligible for it's own warranty. Certainly the case with other Seagate/Maxtor branded external drives.
#4
Thanks alot!
banned#5
Does the HDD have USB/Firewire ports too?
#6
I had faulty 160Gb external Maxtor replaced with a new Seagate model outside 1 year warranty just by giving them S/N (not pre-registered). They even sent out proper packaging while RMA. You can always check warranty on a drive only while pre-registering. My experience – they always honour 5 years RMA even on OEM drive providing you tell them merchant you got it from is no longer trading. Seagate in my books are second best only to Hitachi service-wise.

You do not need to open enclosure to get S/N – use sysinfo, everest or similar.

http://www.lavalys.com/products/download.php?ps=UE&lang=en

last poster - NO!
#7
silmonli
Does the HDD have USB/Firewire ports too?

No only ESATA, so you need a PC with a eSATA port (External SATA) or get a e-SATA card
#8
the drive comes with an esata card and its bloody fast, makes my usb drives like snails.

I purchased this last week, using the avforums route for free delivery. Great buy, you cant open the case its plastic with no screws.
#10
whats the speed difference betwwen usb2/firewire and esata?
#11
According to Wikipedia USB 2 is around 60 MB/s and eSATA is 375 MB/s
#12
St0n3y
No only ESATA, so you need a PC with a eSATA port (External SATA) or get a e-SATA card

Alternatively, the cheaper option is to use an eSATA bracket to convert an internal eSATA port into an external one. You can buy these for about £3 the last time I checked.
#13
Agharta
Alternatively, the cheaper option is to use an eSATA bracket to convert an internal eSATA port into an external one. You can buy these for about £3 the last time I checked.


http://www.scan.co.uk/products/productinfo.asp?WebProductID=703034
banned#14
Can you daisy chain these?
#15
Sorry this for £3.23 through this TO page (free delivery via AV forums, etc)

http://www.electric-spoon.com/scan_archive/todayonly/todayonly_2007-11-09-Friday.html
#16
I was just looking for a external HDD too! I nearly ordered a USB one the other day but luckily they were out of stock at the time so now I've just ordered this one. May have to fart about a bit to sort out esata but it'll be worth it for the increased speed in the long run. Cheers OP, voted hot.
#17
olmer
... drive is still covered by full 5 years warranty irrespectable of use in enclosure or not – for this register the drive only with its own S/N. Inside is ST3500320AS 16Mb cache (with NCQ) Worth to buy for a drive along.


Dream on - the drive will have a serial number that will link it to the enclosure product - in this case 12 months warranty only! Why do you think it's so cheap?

None of these Seagate ext drives are worth it - because if the enclosure interface fails (USB or SATA) as it often does and has been reported - you simply cannot open up the box to get at the drive since that invalidates the warranty.

You are then stuck - having to return the whole unit - far better to buy a 5 year warrantied Seagate bare drive and stick it into a third party enclosure - that way all your options are left open - Even if you have backed up your data elsewhere.
#18
can't use it with my laptop then ?
#19
Brought another one... =S... lol.
#20
i'm a bit wary of this, the price seems pretty good for the drive alone. a few points i can think off to consider:

1. seagate's recent bad press with enclosures not working with mac/linux and overheating with the "fix".

2. the promise tx2 should work with linux out of the box (libata in later 2.6 kernels)

3. the pci card will not be able to handle the bandwidth of esata (3gbps) and i fear the backplates people have posted from scan are just internal sata1/150 to external sata1/150 (not esata which is faster sata2/300 and allows longer cables due to better shielding).

4. usb2/firewire is a joke compared to esata, there is no slowdown with esata its just as fast as the drive would be if you plugged into inside your pc. my personal benchmarks are usb2=30mbps, 1394a=40mbps, sata150=70mbps, sata300 could cope with the fastest of drives easily, which are 105mbps.

5. the speculative warranty - i'd doubt they have special serials for the drives in these, but if they do you're limited to a year instead of the usual five. on linux you can find all the drive's info (serial number, firmware, health etc.) using 'smartctl --all /dev/sda'

if i was 100% about the warranty i'd buy one for the disk and card and ditch the enclosure, but i think i'll get a 7200.11 bare drive instead.
#21
grumpyone, my point was for a failure after initial ‘full product warranty’ - you can certainly open this enclosure without damaging it or the drive. I am replacing quite a few failing server drives and disrespectful of outdated Dell/HP servers Seagate and Hitachi always replace drives manufactured no later than 5 years ago. WD does three as does Samsung (hardest/longest to RMA to) but they never argue 'contact the place of purchase' once you tell them that merchant is no longer trading. Few representatives may have a bad day, but eventually they always accept RMA (even after declining you initial online form). As to you suggesting buying external enclosure - it also has 12 month warranty and since it is much more likely to fail than the drive itself – your point is somewhat weak. Failed interface – can still use a working drive – true in both cases. Failed drive – can get a 100% guaranteed replacement within a year and [let’s say questionable] replacement within next 4 – in separate purchase your drive is 100% covered – but i’ll take my chances taking into account price difference and devaluation over this year.

Laptop poster - if you have PCMCIA in your laptop you can get this http://www.ebuyer.com/product/134438 (if it is worth for you)
#22
sej7278


5. the speculative warranty - i'd doubt they have special serials for the drives in these, but if they do you're limited to a year instead of the usual five. on linux you can find all the drive's info (serial number, firmware, health etc.) using 'smartctl --all /dev/sda'



It may not be /dev/sda some of the distros label all drives sda sdb sdc.etc even IDE ones...

Infact if you have any internal drives so if you already have 1 drive in your system and you plug this one it its far more likely to be /dev/sdb and if you already have 2 drives then it will probablty end up as /dev/sdc and so forth.

Thats not 100% either but it might help stop someone who's fairly new to linux from reading the smart parameters from the wrong drive
#23
I am new to this eSata stuff, so basically it does not connection through USB ports rather require something special to access the external drive? Could someone explain me about this.. little confused... on this eSata term.

From what I see.. looks like a good deal huh?

Cheers!
#24
Don't think this kind of warranty great. Free Agent with 5 years may be better.
Or if someone find cheap free agent pro inc. eSata, it would be great
1 Like #25
puls3
I am new to this eSata stuff, so basically it does not connection through USB ports rather require something special to access the external drive? Could someone explain me about this.. little confused... on this eSata term.

From what I see.. looks like a good deal huh?

Cheers!


This drive connects to your computer through eSATA (external Serial ATA) which is an external connection in the same way as USB or firewire.

If you have the eSATA port on your computer you can plug this drive to it, if you don't have the port you get a card included in this deal which you install into your computer and can then plug this drive into it.
eSATA is much faster than USB which is a real benefit when copying large files to the drive (e.g. backups)

Hope that helps (sorry if it sounded a little patronising!)
#26
Amazon.com reviews are all very postive
http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B000FOL7Q2/

Definitely snap this up over that better-looking one posted earlier. Just check that your 'puter supports it!
#27
scuderia
This drive connects to your computer through eSATA (external Serial ATA) which is an external connection in the same way as USB or firewire.

If you have the eSATA port on your computer you can plug this drive to it, if you don't have the port you get a card included in this deal which you install into your computer and can then plug this drive into it.
eSATA is much faster than USB which is a real benefit when copying large files to the drive (e.g. backups)

Hope that helps (sorry if it sounded a little patronising!)


That was great! Thanks for the detailed explanation.. so basically i get a card included with this deal, thats even more great! What about a laptop, I have a laptop do you think i can plug into directly or will this card sit in it.. or should I get a new card that was designed for notebook?

Thanks again for your help m8 :-D :thumbsup:

Cheers!
#29
dragon2611
It may not be /dev/sda some of the distros label all drives sda sdb sdc.etc even IDE ones...


well yes, but i didn't want to confuse the issue with saying /dev/sdX where X is the drive letter you figured out from dmesg or your bios :-D
#30
Well I've lost the plot on this one!!
I'm looking for an external hard drive for my laptop (does'nt have to be portable), can this be used? I don't have any card slots just USB connections
Thx in advance
#31
frankthesurf;1397560
Well I've lost the plot on this one!!
I'm looking for an external hard drive for my laptop (does'nt have to be portable), can this be used? I don't have any card slots just USB connections
Thx in advance


Quick and easy answer : NO :)
You will need to get an external hard drive with a USB connection, this one only has an ESATA connection.

Hope this makes sense :)
#32
St0n3y
According to Wikipedia USB 2 is around 60 MB/s and eSATA is 375 MB/s


You're right its a much better transfer rate over the eSATA bus, but remember that the disk itself will be the bottleneck - e.g. a 10,000 RPM raptor has an internal transfer rate of about 80 MB/s a.k.a. 640 Mb/s (i.e. from its buffer to the disk platters) so you'll probably not see that kind of speed...of course when daisy-chaining you'll see more of a benefit from the SATA-2 interface.
#33
Order 1 for myself today. Expected delivery is on 07.01.2008! Heat added and Cheers OP!
#34
wapcaplit
You're right its a much better transfer rate over the eSATA bus, but remember that the disk itself will be the bottleneck - e.g. a 10,000 RPM raptor has an internal transfer rate of about 80 MB/s a.k.a. 640 Mb/s (i.e. from its buffer to the disk platters) so you'll probably not see that kind of speed...of course when daisy-chaining you'll see more of a benefit from the SATA-2 interface.


yup, as i said earlier, the average drive would manage about 70mbps, the fastest drive is the seagate 7200.11 at 105mbps (the wd raptor has faster rpm but slower transfer) so neither would saturate even a sata1/150mbps interface, but more than two drives will, can't see most people filling up a 300mbps sata2 though....
#35
very nice price

shame its esata only a usb port would of been handy to use it on other computers...

is esata likely to become a standard port much like usb when it was first introduced and you had to buy a pci card to run it??
#36
hhhhbk;1408658
very nice price

shame its esata only a usb port would of been handy to use it on other computers...

is esata likely to become a standard port much like usb when it was first introduced and you had to buy a pci card to run it??


Doubt it, USB 3 will be launched soon with similar speeds (well 5gbps!! is faster than eSata). so that will probably be more successful.
#37
silentsource
Doubt it, USB 3 will be launched soon with similar speeds (well 5gbps!! is faster than eSata). so that will probably be more successful.


unfortunately usb3 will probably kill esata, which for some reason just hasn't picked up - not enough motherboards with it on, only a couple of mainstream enclosures....

usb3 will be backwards compatible with 1.1/2.0 as well, and hopefully will stop being so rubbishly slow and will have a lower cpu overhead.

i still prefer esata though as its simply and extension of sata, so there is no difference between an internal and external drive, no slow down, no new protocol or controller logic...... its what scsi should have been imho.
#38
I got mine the other day. And while using HD Tune to test their speed (60MB/sec give or take) it kept popping up with a temp warning, they were both at 65 *c and the only way I could bring the temp down was to direct my fan at full speed towards them. They are now 52 *C and the warnings stopped after they were below 55 *C. Now my room temp will make quite a different, although it's not hot in here, although I had one of top of the other, which with the groves, I'd assume it would be fine to do that. I'm going to Seagate site and find out the max temp for them... because if they run too hot, it could reduce their life spam rapidly. I must admit, I am pleased with them, they are fast and very quiet.
#40
Price went up few quids!! £69.20 Inc VAT ! :-D !! Got mine delivered today :-D !! as promised ;) !!

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