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Whilst in my local Asda today:

Acer Aspire M1640 Desktop
Celeron 440
Vista Home Basic
512mb Ram
80GB HD
DVD Rom
16" Widescreen Monitor.

Ok, not the fastest of machines, but ideal for someone new to the world of PC's

Saves having to drive miles to pick up your new shiney Dell cos they won't leave it with a trusted neighbour (Never again Dell!!) as you works Monday to Friday...

Ta

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#1
I almost made the very same thread this morning, but stopped when I saw someone had made one a few weeks ago (albeit, it was this and the laptop in one deal)

Have some pics;

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sionyboy/photos/acerm1640a.jpg

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sionyboy/photos/acerm1640b.jpg

Obviously the specs are not earth shattering, but under £200 for a desktop AND a widescreen monitor.....bargain in my book. Celeron 440 is based on the 65nm Conroe core and runs at 2.0ghz.

Loads in the Cardiff Gate store, all at the end of the aisle as you walk in.
#2
It seems a little churlish to critisize a complete PC systems for £197, but I would like to point out the following for anyone planning to buy this:

The screen is advertised at 16" (which is small enough anyway) but it is actually a 15.4" ( or maybe 15.6") screen.

This is the size of a small laptop screen. So before buying go to any shop that sells computers and LOOK at a 16" (or 15.4") screen and decide if you want to spend all your time on that.

I saw a similar size one in Tesco's the other day and could not believe how small it was.

(I also have to say that 512Mb of memory is on the low side and Vista will probably perform VERY badly with 512Mb of memory, particulalry if it is sharing it with the graphics). I am surprised ANYONE sells a Vista computer nowadays with only 512Mb of memory in it.

Think this is probably end-of-life stock as Acer do have models with better specs.
1 Like #3
Bargain for someone who just wants a PC for basic internet and office! Could maybe do with 512mb more ram, but what's that? Another tenner?

Bargain!
#4
Better to buy a second hand good computer than this, surely? Celeron processor, tiny hard disk, small screen, no dvd writer, small amount of RAM - apart from being new, it's difficult to say this is anything than a bit of a rubbish computer.
#5
ourdave
Better to buy a second hand good computer than this, surely? Celeron processor, tiny hard disk, small screen, no dvd writer, small amount of RAM - apart from being new, it's difficult to say this is anything than a bit of a rubbish computer.


Rather than second hand how about this new for £199 (admittedly with no monitor)

Same Acer model (M1640) but with:

Much better processor
Twice as much memory
Hard disk twice the size
Vista Home Premium rather than Home Basic
DVD re-writer

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/143129

You could probably buy a decent second hand CRT monitor for £10 (people can hardly give them away nowadays)

That will give you a MUCH better computing experience
#6
ourdave
Better to buy a second hand good computer than this, surely? Celeron processor, tiny hard disk, small screen, no dvd writer, small amount of RAM - apart from being new, it's difficult to say this is anything than a bit of a rubbish computer.


Or even this Dell posted recently, good system unit for less than £200 (in fact for the money one could say great system unit)

Good processor
2Gb of memory
250Gb hard drive
Vista Home Premium

http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/252131/dell-vostro-200-desktop-base-2ghz-d/showthread.php?t=252131&page=2
#7
guilbert53
Rather than second hand how about this new for £199 (admittedly with no monitor)

Same Acer model (M1640) but with:

Much better processor
Twice as much memory
Hard disk twice the size
Vista Home Premium rather than Home Basic
DVD re-writer

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/143129

You could probably buy a decent second hand CRT monitor for £10 (people can hardly give them away nowadays)

That will give you a MUCH better computing experience


Freecycle used to be full of CRT monitors to give away.
#8
Saw same machine setup in Asda.Through the side you can see it has an empty agp slot and a spare memory slot so is easily made more usable.Monitor is small though ,but in a cute way ,and only has a dvd rom not writer but can grab a writer for £20 anywhere.
1 Like #9
Why slate this, not everyone who needs to use a computer will be computer geeks and need top RAM and HDD size or DVD Writers, this is perfect for my parents, they run their own business, they need a computer to generate invoices and write letters!

For them this is perfect, and just a 10 min drive to asda to pick it up!

BARGAIN!!! HOT
#10
Not everyone is confident enough to open the box & add memory especially those new to PC's, which would be the target market for this system. Vista with 512Mb is next to unusable, a lot of people who buy this will be regretting it.
1 Like #11
Ianto0710
Why slate this, not everyone who needs to use a computer will be computer geeks and need top RAM and HDD size or DVD Writers, this is perfect for my parents, they run their own business, they need a computer to generate invoices and write letters!


Agreed, the problem is the techno crowd who spend so much time playing with 3DMark they believe everyone under the sun needs Quad-Cores and 3gb's of POWA!!! My mum and brother have had the same Dell for about 3 years now, Celly 2.8, 256mb and 40gb HDD and for what they use it for it suits them perfectly. Some people just want a machine to surf the net, chat on MSN and do very basic office stuff, and for £200 you have everything you need for that in the box, not to mention a warranty.

People looking for something for the kid's room, or just something to surf/type on will be more than happy with the machine.
#12
Cheap, and at least it is new, all in a better value than much of the second hand junk that gets posted, it's Acer which is no special brand, and if you don't expect much from this as it is a lot underpowered, and do little more than web and word processing then it will fill a gap in a desk, but nothing to get excited about, when amazing offers get posted on this site almost on a weekly basis!

One of Mike T's Dell offers recently posted,
eg. http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/252131/dell-vostro-200-desktop-base-2ghz-d/
with the eBuyer 77 quid monitor that has been posted here yesterday
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/252998/19-extra-value-widescreen-tft-monit/
would come out at under 80 quid more, but be a LOT more powerful, bigger screen, more space, all in much more up to date, and would constitute a bigger bargain and FAR better value, but I suppose if you haven't got the extra money, and can put up with the day BEFORE yesterday's spec, then fine, but I wouldn't waste my money.
#13
It might well be a fair price, but it's just another under powered PC... Lack of RAM, slow processor, small hard drive (and it will be split 50/50 with an Acer partition which doesn't help).

Steve
#14
As an Acer owner, I'd not recommend them. Good price as always, but the build quality on their laptops is attrocious. This is personal experience (myself and two friends), I'm sure others will disagree. My laptop is literally falling apart, but maybe their desktops are better made.

£197 though? You have to vote hot.
#15
vista with 512mb ram?
#16
ALICOM007
vista with 512mb ram?

Crazy, I had 512mb back in 2001 :o

Still ram is v cheap nowadays ;)
1 Like #17
Bargain. Stick another 2gb of Ram in (approx £20 from Crucial) and you've got a great starter system for £220.

Voted hot!
1 Like #18
fiatturbo
Crazy, I had 512mb back in 2001 :o

Still ram is v cheap nowadays ;)


lol my old laptop has 512mb ram which is runing xp and it needs more.

great system if you just want to use it for surfing, web browsing etc.
#19
Good value and voted hot.

FACT: A machine like this will be fine for learning about computers, surfing the internet, sending emails, running basic office software (spreadsheets, wordprocessor, simple photo editing, 2-D CAD, graphics etc). It will be fine for children to do homework, projects etc and it will play many older style games.

FACT: It will be a bit slower in these tasks than a state of the art machine costing much more.

FACT: You won't be able to play the latest games on it!

So just make your choice accordingly: do you need a tool or do you need a toy?

If you need a computer as a useful tool for work, administration, communication and education then go for it. If you need a computer because you want a toy to play the latest games on then you will need to spend more money.

I run a successful engineering business and I have been using computers throughout my professional career. I could use a machine like this to run my accounts, do online banking, do all my office admin and more. I could use it to run much of the specialist and complex engineering software I have. Over the years I have bought a fair few PCs but my choice of hardware has always been dictated by what I actually needed a machine to do and that approach has saved me many thousands of pounds.
#20
Good deal. It's faster than the (old) laptop I use day to day perfectly adequately, and whilst it isn't anywhere near my home PC, it costs a lot less, and yeah, it does a lot less, but it will be perfectly fine for a computer for office tasks, homework tasks, IM, web browsing, etc.
#21
bigsky
Good value and voted hot.

FACT: A machine like this will be fine for learning about computers, surfing the internet, sending emails, running basic office software (spreadsheets, wordprocessor, simple photo editing, 2-D CAD, graphics etc). It will be fine for children to do homework, projects etc and it will play many older style games.

FACT: It will be a bit slower in these tasks than a state of the art machine costing much more.

FACT: You won't be able to play the latest games on it!


http://splinteredsunrise.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/david_brent_111.jpg

:p Sorry mate, apart from the David Brent'isms I agree 100% with you, and any debates about alternative PCs need to include a monitor in the price. This is an unbeatable deal. :thumbsup:
#22
Isn't it funny how the people who go on about "perfectly acceptable" & "fine for everyday purposes," when it comes to these very low spec or old PCs don't take the same attitude when if comes to other gear? Or is it just the fact that "old new" products don't exist at all in other fields, whereas with computers things move faster :

Can you imagine anyone buying a 1989 model Ford Fiesta, in new condition, just because it was "only" a BARGAIN priced £5,000? After all, it is fine for just driving around town, and will never go above 70mph on the motorway. When a choice of high spec small cars with great performance, better comfort & fuel economy that are much safer yet faster and will last for FAR longer can be had for about £6,000

The men in the white coats would be sent for!

Because that is what we are talking about here!
#23
nihcaj
Can you imagine anyone buying a 1989 model Ford Fiesta, in new condition, just because it was "only" a BARGAIN priced £5,000?!


A very misleading analogy!

A top of the range PC in 1989 would have utilised a 486 processor and you would still have to wait another year for Windows 3.0 to start shipping so you'd probably be using command line DOS!

The Celeron440 is about a year old. So yes, I would certainly buy a 2007 model of a car if it was half the price of the 2008 model.
#24
As already mentioned, this will run an office app, a web browser, your email client or maybe even some photo-editing software. However, with Vista (which really, really does eat memory) and only 512mb of RAM you would most likely be limited to having only one of those applications open at a time. I have tried to use Vista on a 768MB machine, and it wasn't pretty.

I personally wouldn't recommend this to anyone, as I believe they would find it frustratingly slow, and consequently they'd believe I offered naff advice.

Most people (other than high-end users) want a PC to last 3 years or more. Spending what would equate to roughly £2 extra per month of ownership could get them a much better deal (e.g. the £200 Dell and £75 monitor that have recently been posted).

Ultimately though, if people are happy with the compromises this machine demands of them, then it would be nigh on impossible to find a complete machine cheaper.
#25
bigsky;3123176
A very misleading analogy!



See, you can't even SEE the analogy, and I am not trying to be precise, just to show the state of reality that clearly you can't see! I can not understand this view, and am only trying to raise comparison points so that those seeing it that way can see it the way about 95% of the rest of us can! I would argue that the analogy is VERY much in the right perspective.

The date or even the subject, cars is not the relevant part, PCs change much faster, cars do change technologically fast enough, but nothing LIKE as fast. It is the rate of change, not the precise figures and dates, it is the RELATIVE state of the items I am trying to convey. ie. an old model that can do a basic job, barely; compared with the new which is only slightly dearer but functions a lot better and has greater future potential.
Retailers will ALWAYS try to get the maximum price they can, but the market has a habit of settling it out, as things that offer poor value don't sell so well, but there is always a market for selling the "cheapest" even if it is pretty poor value, and I think this sort of machine comes very much in that category when compared to what IS available at so little more :-(

If you KNOW what you are buying, then you may still go ahead to buy it, because you will know it's potential, and that will relate to it's intended use, but the majority of computer users out there haven't got that knowledge, and expect "a computer" just to be able to do "what computers do," straight out of the box - they are probably thinking about what they see on TV or at friends, or in magazines, and this one is just that - unfortunately it is what would be on TV or in those magazines back in about 2001!

I have to admit to being a bit baffled by it all, as it isn't something I have ever seen with other products and goods, as the market price of goods generally follows a certain trend where new is dearer than old, and goods "age" and lose value at fairly predictable rates, (and in technology that "newness" of that technology ages in a similar way) where prices start off high, and initial decrease is large and it all tapers off in a "normal" curve with length of time increasing, apart from a very few rare items that can even appreciate, Computers certainly don't appreciate, but for some odd reason a few people have expectation of value that simply is not there!
I see it in local paper ads where something like "Computer, cost £700 2 years ago sell £550" still exist! Similarly new computers that are full of old specification components are not worth much either, most of us see that, but a minority don't see it.

I give in - I don't care enough to argue the blatantly obvious to those who can't see the picture, it isn't something I will ever get over to them, and it won't be affecting the value I will be looking for when I buy a new PC, so I won't go on arguing it here; but what it is for is to the benefit of the less technologically minded. They will not have the reference points to decide what is a good buy and what is not, so they need pointing to what is available as a cheap modern machine, to see the value in relation to the way things are, instead of being blinded by a small outspoken minority who think something very dated is worth more than 75% of the price of something far better and up to the moment.
#26
Poindexter
As an Acer owner, I'd not recommend them. Good price as always, but the build quality on their laptops is attrocious. This is personal experience (myself and two friends), I'm sure others will disagree. My laptop is literally falling apart, but maybe their desktops are better made.

£197 though? You have to vote hot.


Yeah I disagree.....I have never ever seen as you say.... "laptop is literally falling apart." be it an Acer ,Dell or HP.

Even some of the well known cheaper lappies from PCW don't just fall apart.....

This unit inclusive of the monitor,all be it small, is great value...but only for people who want to the bare essentials. If you need something better then buy better for more money.

I vote this hot because for what this is....it is good value. :)

renagade27
1 Like #27
sionyboy
Agreed, the problem is the techno crowd who spend so much time playing with 3DMark they believe everyone under the sun needs Quad-Cores and 3gb's of POWA!!!


Nobody on here has mentioned Quad cores or 3Gb of memory (only you)

What people have said is JUST because it is cheap does not make it a bargain.

Most of the other machines mentioned here have been only slighlty better specs (and price) but enough to make a big difference.

Buy this Acer and you will have a few years of swearing at how slow it is, or swearing at how small the screen is.

But for just a few pounds more you can have a fast computer that will be a pleasure to work with.

The cost of a slightly better computer over the 2 or 3 years of its life will be small (£1 a month over 3 years is only £36) but will make your computing experience so much better.

How many people here have bought a 32" or larger TV. What would you have said if somebody on here posted a 15" TV at ASDAs for only £50. Would you have voted it hot and rushed out and bought it instead of the 32", of course not.
#28
nihcaj
I give in - I don't care enough to argue


That's a relief! :)
1 Like #29
Echo what Guilbert says above, this isn't about the techie crowd dismissing something that runs a bit on the slow side compared to cutting edge kit. It's that this is a rubbish computer - so it's £200 down the drain really.
People think they're going to be getting a nice new computer - but they're not, they're getting something with a spec that was OK about 4 years ago.
This will not run Vista in anything like an acceptable way - not even for word processing and email and browsing, and certainly not all at the same time.

And as for "can play the older games" - again, not on Vista it won't be able to, unless you're talking about Manic Miner.

The advice other people, including me, are giving - is either spend a little more and get a lot better, or spend the same on 2nd hand. It's not snobbish - it's good advice. Get this for your mum and dad, and they'll be too polite to mention that the reason they don't use it is because it frustrates the life out of them. Get it for your kids, and they'll hate you - their mates will give them games and they won't be able to use them. £200 can get you a really, really decent computer - but this isn't one of them.
#30
guilbert53
How many people here have bought a 32" or larger TV. What would you have said if somebody on here posted a 15" TV at ASDAs for only £50. Would you have voted it hot and rushed out and bought it instead of the 32", of course not.


it would depend what you wanted the TV for, if you wanted it as the TV in your living room or for yor 360/ps3 then no you wouldnt go for the make do £50 one, but if it was for your kids room for them to watch in bed and have some dvd's on then yes a lot of people would!

what a rubbish argument!

All we are saying is that for this price it is a good deal for the people that just want to do office work or surf, we are not stupid, we realise you can get better systems, we all have them most prob! but for those that need basic it is a quality deal and convenient by just popping down asda!
#31
bigsky;3125885
That's a relief! :)


Well, you DO have an option. Put me on your ignore list. That way anything I say won't trouble you, and it makes me happier to think that you won't get any benefit from whatever I have to say, so it is a Win-Win option :-)

As you seem to offer no input to either side of discussions & just make irrelevant comments, I can't see that it will make much difference either way, but hey, why not, its free - enjoy yourself with the select group in MY ignore list.
#32
J_B
Bargain for someone who just wants a PC for basic internet and office! Could maybe do with 512mb more ram, but what's that? Another tenner?

Bargain!

Yeah, then you can add another gig of ram if you want it to run smoothly.

Voted cold - sorry, but selling a vista PC with 512Mb must be a breach of the Sale of Goods Act - I can't think of a purpose (other than testing your patience) that is would be fit for.
#33
Ianto0710
All we are saying is that for this price it is a good deal for the people that just want to do office work or surf, we are not stupid, we realise you can get better systems, we all have them most prob! but for those that need basic it is a quality deal and convenient by just popping down asda!


I think most of the people (myself included) saying "don't buy this" genuinely believe it's barely up to the task of office work and surfing (certainly not having both running simultaneously) because of the crippling combination of low memory and Windows Vista. As a result, we feel it doesn't qualify as a good deal, just money gone from your pocket that could have been used to better effect.

It's not about saying anyone is stupid (well, I am certainly not trying to say that, anyway). As a Vista owner, I know there really is a world of difference in the demands it places on the system compared to XP.
#34
wizball
I think most of the people (myself included) saying "don't buy this" genuinely believe it's barely up to the task of office work and surfing (certainly not having both running simultaneously) because of the crippling combination of low memory and Windows Vista. As a result, we feel it doesn't qualify as a good deal, just money gone from your pocket that could have been used to better effect.

It's not about saying anyone is stupid (well, I am certainly not trying to say that, anyway). As a Vista owner, I know there really is a world of difference in the demands it places on the system compared to XP.


Totally agree.

Steve
#35
ourdave

People think they're going to be getting a nice new computer - but they're not, they're getting something with a spec that was OK about 4 years ago.


Spec would have been ok about a year ago. It would have been outstanding four years ago!
#36
Well I have actually had a go on one of these machines! My friends came home with one a few weeks ago and they were absolutely delighted with their bargain! They have never owned a computer in their lives and know nothing about them. They are now on the internet and spend their days happily browsing ebay and facebook.
I was so impressed with it that I went out and bought one as a third computer in the house for our eight year old daughter for christmas, with plans to increase the RAM. We have an alienware PC and a laptop so no the new comp doesn't even compare to how the alien runs but my daughter will be over the moon come christmas day and that is good enough for me!
I think people do have to be realistic about what they are buying these for and yes it may be cheaper to buy one seperately from ebuyer etc but remember some people do not even know that ebuyer exists! We were looking for a cheap third PC, so for us it has been a bargain.
#37
Ianto0710
All we are saying is that for this price it is a good deal for the people that just want to do office work or surf, we are not stupid, we realise you can get better systems, we all have them most prob! but for those that need basic it is a quality deal and convenient by just popping down asda!


It is NOT a good deal, even at £197 pounds

The spec of the ASDA box

CPU: Slow Celeron
Memory: Inadequate 512Mb (NOT enough for Vista)
Hard disk: Adequate 80Gb
Windows: Bottom of the range Vista Home Basic
DVD drive: read only
Monitor: Barely usable 16"

Now lets look at this Dell system unit for £198 (£1 more than the Asda) (no monitor but can be cheaply added)

CPU: Pretty good E2180 (Can run Vista aero fine)
Memory: Excellent 2Gb
Hard drive: Large 250Gb
Windows: Vista Home Premium
DVD drive: DVD rewriteable

http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/252131/dell-vostro-200-desktop-base-2ghz-d/showthread.php?t=252131&page=2

The Dell will give you excellent computing performance out of the box for 2 or 3 years, the Asda will be slow from day one.

While you can add memory to the Asda not everyone is confident of doing that at may have to spend £50 to get PC World to do it.

The ONLY reason people are saying it is a good deal because it is CHEAP, but buying a cheap computer to then spend every day moaning abouts its perfrmance is NOT a good deal.
#38
As others have said Vista + 512mb ram isn't a nice combination, Yes it will work but it's very sluggish and unresponsive.


Seriously it's slow enough with 1gb ram let alone 512mb

It would probably be ok for either XP (just about, even 512mb on xp can get a bit slow thesedays once you get your AV.etc on there) or Linux, or put some more ram in it but otherwise it's really not that good.

If you know enough to change the RAM.etc then it's an okay buy but if you don't you'll not have a very nice experience unless your a very patient person.
#39
Some people will just buy this for a crafty tommy tank. I cant fault it for that!
#40
some people who are genuinely concerned about buying over the phone or using the internet to buy may look at this deal with a positive light.

I have a 3gb quad core, yes its great, yes it plays superb on my 24" dell widescreen monitor. BUT, I paid a lot of money for top end.

for a starter machine for someone who wants to do basic things, I think this hits the mark. Not that good but a mediocre pc for a bargain bucket price.

If someone wanted to up the ram a bit and change the rom to a writer then maybe they should just get a better pc from the start. It is what it is....

and don;'t say cr*p either....

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