Advent 4213 Netbook (3G, 1GB RAM, 160GB HDD, 10" screen, Win XP) - £249.99 @ PC World - HotUKDeals
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Was about to buy this when it was £279.99, seems a good spec for the price! Plus there's 2.5% Quidco even with Collect in store.

Intel Atom N270Processor - Energy efficient (1.6GHz, 533MHz FSB, 512MB cache) Genuine Windows(R) XP Home Memory & storage
1GB Memory
160GB HDD Portable
10.2" Widescreen Display
1.4KG
Connectivity - Built in mobile broadband
Stylish Black & Silver Design
Wireless Enabled
Built in speakers
Weight 1.4 kg
Height 28 mm
Width 260 mm
Depth 178 mm
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#1
Not bad considering built in broadband!

Whats the battery life? Thats the main question.
#2
Built in broadband? How? You just pay a subscription fee?
#3
I think this has a 6-cell battery. Reviewed here - http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/232404/advent-4213.html

Doesn't look as good as the 4211....
#4
i'm interested in this, but don't have a clue about laptops, so i will be interested to see what you guys think of this deal
#5
Looks good. Voted hot.
#6
Daniel_Saeed
I think this has a 6-cell battery. Reviewed here - http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/232404/advent-4213.html

Doesn't look as good as the 4211....


But it does have 40gb more HDD space and 3G connectivity which apparently isn't tied to any network so you should be able to use any 3G card in it. That and its £24 cheaper (at PC World anyway).
#7
Daniel_Saeed
I think this has a 6-cell battery. Reviewed here - http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/232404/advent-4213.html

Doesn't look as good as the 4211....


from what i can find out this has a Li-Polymer-6 cells, 3600mAh/11.1V battery and here is a bit more info i found out about the battery if anyone wants it:
Model G10-3S3600-S1A1
Type Rechargable Li-Ion
Rating 11.1 Vdc
Capacity 3600 mAh
#8
I am considering one as I can slot my O2 sim card with unlimited web 'Bolt On' into this net book and surf anywhere for free.
#9
Tunner
I am considering one as I can slot my O2 sim card with unlimited web 'Bolt On' into this net book and surf anywhere for free.


I am not 100% sure but if i was you i would check the terms of your o2 contract as that might be against them

just to follow up, this is the first line from o2 terms "The O2 Web Bolt On can only be used for internet browsing on your phone" so if you did do and get caught expect them to ask you for some money
#10
Contract is unlimted web browsing. I swap the sim between my N95 and HTC710 without any problem, so sloting it into a netbook modem should not be an issue and this was also implied during a recent magazine test of this and other netbooks.

The only problem I have with this and other netbooks is the small keyboard and the cheapness of the plastic used, feels more like a toy than a gadget.
#11
superstar
i'm interested in this, but don't have a clue about laptops, so i will be interested to see what you guys think of this deal


This isn't a laptop, it's a netbook, they don't have the same functionality as a laptop, smaller screen, lower speck. They're used for surfing, word processing on the move. I'm sure you can do a lot more with them (currently deciding which to get myself) but they're not as powerful as laptops.
#12
Tunner
Contract is unlimted web browsing. I swap the sim between my N95 and HTC710 without any problem, so sloting it into a netbook modem should not be an issue and this was also implied during a recent magazine test of this and other netbooks.


The contract might well be for unlimited web browsing but like i said read the terms to find out what the word unlimited means, yes you will be able to take your sim out and put it in different phones and get web access and the same on this laptop but if it is against the term that you have agreed to that expect to get charged. Here is a small bit of the term of the unlimited web browsing bolt on taken off the o2 website:

"The O2 Web Bolt On can only be used for internet browsing on your phone. A excessive usage policy applies and if your usage substantially exceeds that of other users, which is normally expected to be below 200MB/month, you will be charged standard rates for additional browsing. We will send you a warning text message advising you to limit your usage before this occurs and a text message to confirm when you are being charged"
#13
pretty sure no quidco with collect at store.
#14
I have one of these and I love it. The only negative thing I have to say about it is the small keyboard is hard to use for anyone with anything other than child like hands.

Other that that it is excellent. I originally had an Acer Aspire One, but that broke so I upgraded to the which was £279.99 reduced from £329.99 which was 2 weeks ago

Voted hot
#15
cheese_mcphee
But it does have 40gb more HDD space and 3G connectivity which apparently isn't tied to any network so you should be able to use any 3G card in it. That and its £24 cheaper (at PC World anyway).


How reliable are ECS manufactured machines... not much judging by the threads found in google!
#16
Good buy,tempted!
#17
seems a good price. battery life would be important, though it is a bit overweight for a netbook at 1.4kg
#18
rash
Not bad considering built in broadband!

Whats the battery life? Thats the main question.

built in broadband
ha ha ha ha best reply ever - i would explain but i dont see the point
#19
dandoc2
built in broadband
ha ha ha ha best reply ever - i would explain but i dont see the point


It's only funny if you feel like being a little silly..... :p

Built-in broadband modem is what I meant.
#20
Battery life around 3hrs as per Pocket Lint - they gave it 6/10.
#21
Gingerboy
Battery life around 3hrs as per Pocket Lint - they gave it 6/10.


Does it not have a 6 cell battery? That awful for a 6 cell battery! The NC10 kills all other laptops on battery!
#22
rash
Does it not have a 6 cell battery? That awful for a 6 cell battery! The NC10 kills all other laptops on battery!


yes i believe it does have a 6 cell batter so yes it is pretty damn poor, by all accounts and reviews this machine is actually pretty poor, especially the keyboard. Am thinking pcworld should have just stuck to rebadging the MSI machine for their netbooks rather than going to this
#23
I'm not going to buy a netbook for quite sometime yet. I'm happy with my NC10.

Anyone looking for a replacement I would recommend waiting until samsung bring out the same laptop but with a Nvidia chipset instead of the ****** Intel graphics one.
#24
This review is quite objective:

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/10/20/review_netbook_advent_4213/

Battery life and performance are compared to other netbooks.
banned#25
maybe its time for me to get a laptop! http://www.avatarjunkie.net/cimg/8b6a80c3cf2cbd5f967063618dc54f39.gif
#26
rash
I'm not going to buy a netbook for quite sometime yet. I'm happy with my NC10.

Anyone looking for a replacement I would recommend waiting until samsung bring out the same laptop but with a Nvidia chipset instead of the ****** Intel graphics one.


I wouldn't. Intel will not sell the atom to OEMs without the corresponding Intel controller chip. It particularly does not want to give nVidia any of its netbook market share. The 9400 gpu looks like it is reserved for C2Ds only.
#28


Yep, neither, both are meant to have terrible keyboards which makes it hard to work on them for any length of time and if either go wrong you will be stuck with techguys customer services and i can tell you as many horror stories about them as you want as i know people that work in that call centre and hear them everyday.

If i was you that i would stick to either the samsung nc10, MSI varient (medion E1210 from aldi or the advent 4211) or possibly the compaq mini 700 (although is a bit pricey).
#29
I can't find anywhere that sells the Compaq and the price it's supposed to cost varies from £300 - £400! Quite a variance there...
Also, if I were to go with the Advent 4211, surely that would be the same support as other Advent products as aren't they sold exclusively by DSGi?
I know Sale of Goods Act states that the responsibility for warranty/repairs lies with the seller, but with the PB, couldn't I go straight to the manufacturer?
The other major difference in the alternatives you've listed is price. the NC10 is well over £300 - that's £50 difference and to me that's quite a lot.

I am concerned by the keyboard but reviews are very subjective so would need to see one in the flesh. I wouldn't be using one daily, or for any length of time, just sofa-surfing whilst watching TV or taking on hols (in the UK) or to family's houses that don't have net access.
#30
miffyl
I can't find anywhere that sells the Compaq and the price it's supposed to cost varies from £300 - £400! Quite a variance there...
Also, if I were to go with the Advent 4211, surely that would be the same support as other Advent products as they are sold exclusively by DSGi. I know Sale of Goods Act states that the responsibility for warranty lies with the seller, but with the PB, couldn't I straight to the manufacturer?
The other major difference in the alternatives you've listed is price. the NC10 is well over £300 - that's £50 difference and to me that's quite a lot.

I am concerned by the keyboard but reviews are very subjective so would need to see one in the flesh. I wouldn't be using one daily, or for any length of time, just sofa-surfing whilst watching TV or taking on hols (in the UK) or to family's houses that don't have net access.


Cheapest the cheapest i have seen the nc10 for at the moment is £305 from dixons but there seems to be going up and down a lot with that machine and like i read in another thread some one got it for about £270 a week or so ago from dixons (they always have voucher codes), also i believe that you can pick up the nc10 from staples for under £300 and if you have a pcworld near staples where you live you can get pcworld to price match it plus they give you something like 10% of the differerence too (see http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/editorial/price-match-promise)

The only place that i can find the compaq at the moment is directly from hp (http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/uk/en/ho/WF25a/321957-321957-3832385-3832386-3832386-3834716.html) smaller hard drive but fantastic build quality.

As for the support directly from packard bell if you got that i am affraid not, if you ring up those crazy dutch (their call centre is holland, well worth giving them a call just for the accent) they will just tell you to call the techguys.

Personally i think the adent 4211 is a better then this one and you will have to get the support through the techguys with that if you ever need, one thing you might want to look at is http://www.aldi-stores.co.uk/uk/html/offers/2827_8207.htm is the same machine as the 4211 but has 3 year warranty which is always worth having but depends if your local aldi has one in stock.

If i was you before buying one these if you can go to you local pcw and see them in the flesh and use the keyboards and see what you make of them all, at then end of the day every review is only based on opionion and personal preferences and you infact might like the keyboards on the 2 you mentioned.
#31
rash
Not bad considering built in broadband!

Whats the battery life? Thats the main question.


hi 3 hours maximum
#32
curofone
If i was you before buying one these if you can go to you local pcw and see them in the flesh and use the keyboards and see what you make of them all, at then end of the day every review is only based on opionion and personal preferences and you infact might like the keyboards on the 2 you mentioned.


I took a print of the PCW page to Currys last night. Went straight from work, made sure my collar & tie were visible - thought the sales staff would be over in a flash - 4 prolonged looks at the netbooks in 45 minutes dandering round the store & not one 'can I help you'! The one time I wanted them to ask & nothing! I saw the 4211c, 4213, nc10 & another advent (4490?) - TBH on looks, I liked the 4213 best, I didn't like the shallow track pad on the nc10 & (the main reason I went looking for this one) is I like the spec (i.e. 3G, etc.). If I could justify buying a netbook & this one had the battery life of the nc10, I'd have it in a flash! The annoying thing was the demo they have running - couldn't do any typing to test the keyboard (even tried to power it off to try booting it normally, but they have the power button disabled).

PS For anyone else thinking of buying, an ebay search for 4213 pulls up loads of hits (500 ish) - interestingly someone reckons the sim reader (really the HSDPA modem) is fussy regarding sims (hence they are looking over £20 for a sim that will work), but I have not heard of DG selling the 4213 as non-HSDPA due to faulty hardware (they certainly were using the 3G as a selling point in currys).
#33
jnm21
I took a print of the PCW page to Currys last night. Went straight from work, made sure my collar & tie were visible - thought the sales staff would be over in a flash - 4 prolonged looks at the netbooks in 45 minutes dandering round the store & not one 'can I help you'! The one time I wanted them to ask & nothing! I saw the 4211c, 4213, nc10 & another advent (4490?) - TBH on looks, I liked the 4213 best, I didn't like the shallow track pad on the nc10 & (the main reason I went looking for this one) is I like the spec (i.e. 3G, etc.). If I could justify buying a netbook & this one had the battery life of the nc10, I'd have it in a flash! The annoying thing was the demo they have running - couldn't do any typing to test the keyboard (even tried to power it off to try booting it normally, but they have the power button disabled).

PS For anyone else thinking of buying, an ebay search for 4213 pulls up loads of hits (500 ish) - interestingly someone reckons the sim reader (really the HSDPA modem) is fussy regarding sims (hence they are looking over £20 for a sim that will work), but I have not heard of DG selling the 4213 as non-HSDPA due to faulty hardware (they certainly were using the 3G as a selling point in currys).


lol you probably scared them by going in dressed like that, they probably thought that you knew what you on about and could ask them a techical question like what is a hard drive that they might not have been able to answer lol.

Think i have already made my feeling about this machine known but if i was you and the 3g modem really is a selling point to you or anyone else then i would wait a bit as these things will be standard soon enough driving the price down and with more of the bugs ironed out. Also to anyone planning on using these 3G modems with your phone sim card, check your terms carefully as a lot of them state that you must access the internet through your phone only and putting it your netbook is obviously breaking that term and you would leave yourself open for a very big phone bill.
#34
I agree with the first & last points - I remember confusing a time or tiny sales person (I asked about video memory - the manager had a vague idea about what it was - I was under 15 & I knew...).

As for the new models/lower price point, to me, it's like saying don't buy a car, the newer models will be better - you have to buy a ticket some time - there always will be a better model out soon.

The best mobile company to try if you want to use a mobile sim is T-mobile - from what I read, their fair use policy is several slaps in the wrist before any action & people say they use their phone as a modem without issue. Please note I have not tried it & as always YMMV.
#35
jnm21
I took a print of the PCW page to Currys last night. Went straight from work, made sure my collar & tie were visible - thought the sales staff would be over in a flash - 4 prolonged looks at the netbooks in 45 minutes dandering round the store & not one 'can I help you'! The one time I wanted them to ask & nothing! I saw the 4211c, 4213, nc10 & another advent (4490?) - TBH on looks, I liked the 4213 best, I didn't like the shallow track pad on the nc10 & (the main reason I went looking for this one) is I like the spec (i.e. 3G, etc.). If I could justify buying a netbook & this one had the battery life of the nc10, I'd have it in a flash! The annoying thing was the demo they have running - couldn't do any typing to test the keyboard (even tried to power it off to try booting it normally, but they have the power button disabled).

PS For anyone else thinking of buying, an ebay search for 4213 pulls up loads of hits (500 ish) - interestingly someone reckons the sim reader (really the HSDPA modem) is fussy regarding sims (hence they are looking over £20 for a sim that will work), but I have not heard of DG selling the 4213 as non-HSDPA due to faulty hardware (they certainly were using the 3G as a selling point in currys).


Having tried out the 3G connection using my o2 sim I can confirm it works like a charm, the connection manager software pre-installed picks up the settings straight away and you just have to hit the connect button.

Not sure whether it breaks the t&c's of the mobile contract but its a company phone so I'll wait to see if they kick up a stink next month when the bill comes through :-D

Really happy with the netbook so far, battery life is just under 3 hours with wi-fi on which isn't great but not shameful either. The keyboard isn't as good as the NC10 but apart from that I can't see anything that'd prompt me to spend and extra £50 and sacrifice the 3G modem on it.
#36
Cool - that is good news (that you like it) - I reckon I'll take the plunge later today - don't forget 5% egg card discount or cashback via quidco or topcashback (anyone know if it is possible to get both - personally I doubt it, but at least one recent post seemed to think it possible).

Just watch - on contract, the stink they kick up could be a £XXX or even £XXXX bill! Cardiac arrest territory! They may (think they can) backdate it several months too - I personally wouldn't try it on contract with O2 (maybe T-mobile).

PS forgot I came back to this thread to post a link to the forum with more content on the 4213 than I have found on the rest of the net: http://www.4winmobile.com/forums/netbook/17794-advent-4213-netbook-built-hsdpa.html#post197559

Give it a chance - it is very informal for a tech forum - I like that you don't get caned for posting easy/off-topic Q's, but it does make the threads quite long - you do have to read the 25 pages to find some gems. Also search for 4213 & you will find many threads - inc one on the ebay sims! Also if you register, the default setting is most recent posts on page one - NOT FOR ME THANKS!
#37
I called at PCW yesterday to look at all the machines mentioned in the flesh. Although I didn't like the 'floaty' keys on the 4213, when doing a typing test, I made less mistakes on the 4213 than I did on the 4211. In addition, the built in 3G appeals to me as well.
Having said that, I still like the look of the Packard Bell - it looks very flash, has a bigger screen, dual core processor and has (easily) upgradable memory - 2GB is available form for Play for £13 delivered.
Whether the fact it also has Vista (Basic) as a plus point is a matter of opinion.
I didn't have chance to type on it though as it was one of the machines with the screensaver that you can't get rid of. I intend to go back when I have chance.
#38
good deal
was £350
only netbook with a hsdpa radio and sim card socket
bit heavy though and small keyboard for the size, but at this price is starting to look attractive
#39
dixons, currys and pcword sites are down

recievership?
#40
woomister
dixons, currys and pcword sites are down

recievership?


They are claiming that it is server issues but you never know

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