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Crazygooner1
the ps4 pro is somewhat between a gtx 970 and 980
That does not sound like a very legitimate comparison

Edited By: JC2MULTIPLAYER000 on Jan 16, 2017 23:09
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JC2MULTIPLAYER000
geebeegooner
[quote=Crazygooner1]the ps4 pro is somewhat between a gtx 970 and 980
Um, do you live in a gingerbread house alongside a yellow brick road with pigs flying past the windows?

Who told you?

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-3180987/ps4-pro-equivalent-gpu.html

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/691087-playstation-4/74264896

https://www.reddit.com/r/PS4/comments/5fgwqb/what_is_the_nvidia_equivalent_of_ps4_pros_graphic/


Edited By: geebeegooner on Jan 16, 2017 23:16: Adding

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#2
Good price and I'm tempted, what sort of purposes are people using this for since it only has an 860m (correct me if I'm wrong) and that is a bit dated.
#3
What are these like in comparison to a ps4 pro? Can you still use steam the same way as a PC? Chat, game with people., edit settings for graphics like a PC etc?
1 Like #4
Crazygooner1
What are these like in comparison to a ps4 pro? Can you still use steam the same way as a PC? Chat, game with people., edit settings for graphics like a PC etc?

Read that the ps4 pro is somewhat between a gtx 970 and 980 which are still to this day very good cards in the pc world.
Can't comment on mobile gpu though as my knowledge is limited but I'd take a guess and say not in the ball park.
11 Likes #5
Crazygooner1
the ps4 pro is somewhat between a gtx 970 and 980
That does not sound like a very legitimate comparison

Edited By: JC2MULTIPLAYER000 on Jan 16, 2017 23:09
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JC2MULTIPLAYER000
geebeegooner
[quote=Crazygooner1]the ps4 pro is somewhat between a gtx 970 and 980
Um, do you live in a gingerbread house alongside a yellow brick road with pigs flying past the windows?

Who told you?

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-3180987/ps4-pro-equivalent-gpu.html

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/691087-playstation-4/74264896

https://www.reddit.com/r/PS4/comments/5fgwqb/what_is_the_nvidia_equivalent_of_ps4_pros_graphic/


Edited By: geebeegooner on Jan 16, 2017 23:16: Adding
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Crazygooner1
What are these like in comparison to a ps4 pro? Can you still use steam the same way as a PC? Chat, game with people., edit settings for graphics like a PC etc?

PS4 Pro annihilates these. They have a couple generation old mobile GPU in them that wasn't high end when it was new. PS4 Pro's GPU is akin to a £175 RX 470, multiple times more powerful.

This steam machine will have it's clock thoroughly cleaned by a £100 GTX1050 in a desktop machine. If you put windows on it, then it functions as a gaming PC. But a pish one.
#8
towan
Good price and I'm tempted, what sort of purposes are people using this for since it only has an 860m (correct me if I'm wrong) and that is a bit dated.

Indeed, the GPU has about the same performance as on-board Iris 550 graphics found in Skylake (5th gen) i5 and i7 CPU. Will probably run games like BioShock Infinite OK, but otherwise, yes, weak.
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Crazygooner1
What are these like in comparison to a ps4 pro? Can you still use steam the same way as a PC? Chat, game with people., edit settings for graphics like a PC etc?

PC gaming is more flexible but you will probably need a Windows 10 license and an SSD for the OS for one of these boxes. As a Windows machine it's will offer all the usual benefits over console gaming. It will push the total cost up to around £350 depending on size of ssd.

The Pro will outperform this graphically.
Yes to Steam but will work best under Windows 10.
Yes to adjusting graphics options.
Chat not a problem with the right headset /mic.
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geebeegooner
Crazygooner1
What are these like in comparison to a ps4 pro? Can you still use steam the same way as a PC? Chat, game with people., edit settings for graphics like a PC etc?
Read that the ps4 pro is somewhat between a gtx 970 and 980 which are still to this day very good cards in the pc world.
Can't comment on mobile gpu though as my knowledge is limited but I'd take a guess and say not in the ball park.

I think that's generous for a PS4 pro, its specs put it around an RX470 or an RX480 if being generous (RX480 is similar to a GTX 970) although directly comparing PC to console hardware is rarely possible because both use their hardware in quite different ways. Also and more fundamentally no spec of PC will play a PS4 exclusive.

The GPU in the AW machine hasn't changed as far as I'm aware, it's an older Nvidia 860m or something similar which is a weaker card compared to the PS4 pro and an older card now which isn't upgradeable. I'm not convinced these machines are a great buy for that reason unless they're not going to be used for gaming.

John
#11
For the price the 960m isn't so bad. My brother has 1 in his hp omen and plays most new games on medium/high dependant on game. Does the job. Yeah building your own 1060 pc would be faster but would cost a lot more too
#12
towan
Good price and I'm tempted, what sort of purposes are people using this for since it only has an 860m (correct me if I'm wrong) and that is a bit dated.
It's an overpriced HTPC. If you like vintage gaming then a gaming machine also.
#13
Can only speak from experience but I've actually found that I can play GTA 5 on medium settings on 1440p ok! The HDD is also 7200 rpm so it's not too bad. Guess you have to bear in mind that you're getting a full PC with a dedicated GPU for the price of the newest cards alone. I'm running a dual boot of CentOS and Windows 7 on it. Great little machine for testing!
1 Like #14
Also be pretty good as budget video editing machine if get i5 (I just went with i3 as suits my needs)
#15
is this better than an nvidea shield?
#16
Stevie Badman
is this better than an nvidea shield?


very different, the shield plays android games locally using its own power, or can stream PC games from a gaming PC in your house, or you can buy/rent games from 'geforce now' service and stream from their machines.
#17
Completed doom and gears of war 4 on a alienware alpha same gpu, great little box loved the small form factor have upgraded to a gaming desktop now but miss having a little box under the TV.
2 Likes #18
You have to desperately want sff to buy this over a desktop. The zoostorm pc on here few days ago plus 100 quid on new graphics card would annihilate this
#19
Was waiting for these prices to drop again to these levels but instead picked up a like new second hand Alienware Alpha i5 in the meantime and I'm very happy with it. For the form factor and price it's a great htpc and occasional gaming machine. I've picked up an Xbox wireless adaptor for it and am happily playing through half life 2 again along with a few FPS I've missed over the last few years.

Edited By: maltloaf_df on Jan 17, 2017 08:41: Typo
#20
Don't 'Steam machines' suffer from two big issues? Namely a lack of games relative to Windows-based Steam and also relatively poor GPU driver support from AMD and Nvidia?
#21
Johnmcl7
geebeegooner
Crazygooner1
What are these like in comparison to a ps4 pro? Can you still use steam the same way as a PC? Chat, game with people., edit settings for graphics like a PC etc?
Read that the ps4 pro is somewhat between a gtx 970 and 980 which are still to this day very good cards in the pc world.
Can't comment on mobile gpu though as my knowledge is limited but I'd take a guess and say not in the ball park.
I think that's generous for a PS4 pro, its specs put it around an RX470 or an RX480 if being generous (RX480 is similar to a GTX 970) although directly comparing PC to console hardware is rarely possible because both use their hardware in quite different ways. Also and more fundamentally no spec of PC will play a PS4 exclusive.
The GPU in the AW machine hasn't changed as far as I'm aware, it's an older Nvidia 860m or something similar which is a weaker card compared to the PS4 pro and an older card now which isn't upgradeable. I'm not convinced these machines are a great buy for that reason unless they're not going to be used for gaming.
John

Agree console and pc can't be really compared.
I don't really deal with amd either always stuck with nvidia due to all problems I see people moaning about in game forums about driver issues and nvidia being a git in the pc market..Tbf bang for buck that pro is pretty amazing, I got one for £280 and when games start getting proper support its a decent option.
I was blown away with the performance on last of us and the uncharted collection.
#22
KirstyB87
Don't 'Steam machines' suffer from two big issues? Namely a lack of games relative to Windows-based Steam and also relatively poor GPU driver support from AMD and Nvidia?

You CAN install windows on it, and it's a normal (dated) pc =), but for this price it's really good.
I'll wait for it to be £150ish
#23
These are a fairly niche product in contrast to desktop PCs, so a direct cost to performance comparison isn't entirely appropriate. This is for people who are happy to sacrifice performance for the benefits of space saving and/or portability (and want to game on a PC rather than console). For those happy to take that hit, this is a fairly good option.
2 Likes #24
Is this better then the Nintendo Switch?
#25
I have the i3 1tb version and I love it! sure its not the most up to date machine but for me to play insurgency, rust and euro truck simulator its great! however I bought a cheap keyboard and mouse as the steam controller is horrendous!
#26
naturally the price will drop, these are old tech, Alienware means nothing once the CPU is yesteryear, also i3... should be around £175 tops not the £300 mark
3 Likes #27
Just a word of caution on these: I bought one of the 4gb i3's from Amazon when they dropped to £249 just before Christmas. After a very short amount of time it developed the "yellow flashing light of death" (google it). When I entered the service code on the Dell website it showed as out of warranty, and Dell themselves said it had been shipped out by them 15 months previous to me getting it, so it had clearly been sat around in a warehouse somewhere for a long time. I had to send them my proof of purchase to get them to reset the warranty. Had Amazon had any more in stock I would have just sent it back for a replacement, but because these sell out quickly I had to send it to Dell for repair instead, so will be waiting a few weeks to get it back.
#28
DannyBoy99
Just a word of caution on these: I bought one of the 4gb i3's from Amazon when they dropped to £249 just before Christmas. After a very short amount of time it developed the "yellow flashing light of death" (google it). When I entered the service code on the Dell website it showed as out of warranty, and Dell themselves said it had been shipped out by them 15 months previous to me getting it, so it had clearly been sat around in a warehouse somewhere for a long time. I had to send them my proof of purchase to get them to reset the warranty. Had Amazon had any more in stock I would have just sent it back for a replacement, but because these sell out quickly I had to send it to Dell for repair instead, so will be waiting a few weeks to get it back.

Fingers crossed you might end up with a newer model if they aren't stocking this one anymore :)
#29
These were really designed to be used in conjunction with a desktop via streaming rather than a direct replacement. I know steam link does this for a lot less but this was out way before and you can play many older good titles without powering up the rig.
#30
what is this?
#31
Im looking to replace my Pi's (Pi3 OSMC and Pi2 Sonaar etc) with an AIO and looking at something like this or the ASUS Vivo.

Ive had my fun with Android boxes and Pis last few years and want to go back to a dedicated PC for a HTPC.

Is it worth the extra £100ish to get this with a i5 and GPU or stick to a £150 Asus with a Celeron.

Mainly a console gamer but the thought of doing a bit of gaming is quite enticing, would love to play through Half Life and some other classics again and maybe some of my HUKDeal filled Steam library...

I have been out the game for a while and have no idea about which chips do what these days or lifespan of them.
#32
Joshimitsu91
DannyBoy99
Just a word of caution on these: I bought one of the 4gb i3's from Amazon when they dropped to £249 just before Christmas. After a very short amount of time it developed the "yellow flashing light of death" (google it). When I entered the service code on the Dell website it showed as out of warranty, and Dell themselves said it had been shipped out by them 15 months previous to me getting it, so it had clearly been sat around in a warehouse somewhere for a long time. I had to send them my proof of purchase to get them to reset the warranty. Had Amazon had any more in stock I would have just sent it back for a replacement, but because these sell out quickly I had to send it to Dell for repair instead, so will be waiting a few weeks to get it back.

Fingers crossed you might end up with a newer model if they aren't stocking this one anymore :)


That would be lovely, but I suspect it'll just be a mobo or CMOS battery replacement as that seems to have been the fix for most people. Dell are obviously well aware of the issue as you only have to mention it on a support forum and their agents instruct you to send it in for repair.
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I got an i3 around X mas, sold the HDD and RAM and Controller for about £70 wacked in a SSD and 8GB RAM and bought a cheap windows key all for about £100 and I think it's absolutely brilliant. Played about 5 games nothing brand new but everything seems really smooth. I mainly play CS:GO and it's super smooth.

I think the benefit of these PCs is that there is such a large choice of games available so even if the latest games work don't there are 1000s of games available that are fantastic and have a great online community and can often cost just a few quid + you have a PC.

Highly recommended
#34
DannyBoy99
Just a word of caution on these: I bought one of the 4gb i3's from Amazon when they dropped to £249 just before Christmas. After a very short amount of time it developed the "yellow flashing light of death" (google it). When I entered the service code on the Dell website it showed as out of warranty, and Dell themselves said it had been shipped out by them 15 months previous to me getting it, so it had clearly been sat around in a warehouse somewhere for a long time. I had to send them my proof of purchase to get them to reset the warranty. Had Amazon had any more in stock I would have just sent it back for a replacement, but because these sell out quickly I had to send it to Dell for repair instead, so will be waiting a few weeks to get it back.


Exactly what happened to mine. Seemed pretty good while it worked for Rocket League but Shadow of Mordor was glitchy on reasonable settings.
#35
The following is not the greatest or most technical comparison but for those who just want real world comparisons i think it's helpful.

I bought a 4130T (same CPU as this steam machine) and put it in a little HTPC build i was pairing with a Rx 460, i watch twitch a lot on my sony 4k TV, the resolution on my PC was set 1080P, playing source quality streams resulted in significant FPS drops, my main PC has an I5 4570s, not even close to being the most powerful but it managed the same task with no slow down.

To be fair the 4130T did play source twitch streams on my 21 inch monitor without issues so i can only assume that there is some processing going on on my TV but, my point is that this CPU is pretty weak, know what your buying even if your only gonna use this as a PC.

Edited By: bluepeter11 on Jan 17, 2017 15:04: spelling
#36
The 860m although now completely destroyed by the new 10xx series gpus is still a decent card and about the same spec as an xbox one. It will play any game released but you will have to turn down some settings to get something similar to a xb1 (e.g. play at 900p, turn off aa etc etc) it is hardly the same as integrated intel graphics giving double the benchmarks of the intel iris 550 for example see here intel iris 550 and here 860m
#37
Can't wait for you to post a deal about photosynthesis or plants so I can make a cheesy science joke with your username.
#38
Just received my Steam Controller... I'm totally overwhelmed. Any tips welcome! oO
banned#39
Hpi_matrix
Is this better then the Nintendo Switch?
Not if you want to play it on a plane/train or automobile no.
#40
Or buy an hdmi lead for a fiver.

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