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15M Cat5e RJ45 Gigabit Ethernet LAN Network Cable £1.79 @ Amazon ( AccerssoriesArena) Free Delivery

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15M of CAT5 cable. Free Delivery and all for £1.79. Bargain. Ethernet Network Cable with two RJ45 Connectors Suitable for 10Mbps/100Mbps/1000Mbps network Works with your devices which have an E…
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It's also easy for you to pick and choose where and when you put specific arguments forward. I've said that stranded CCA is never twisted. This thread, the one that YOU posted was related to a patch cable, which should ALWAYS be stranded. I was never referencing SOLID core cable when referring to CCA never being twisted as I was referring to the cable you posted in this topic.

No you weren't. You said:

No, they wouldn't, and yes it is easy to identify once installed.

Not a single CCA cable would be twisted, so would fail ALL EXT tests immediately.


Why on earth would you 'install' a patch cable? It's obvious your talking about a structured install, where as you have already agreed, it's solid cable that should be used. It's okay to back track, but better to just admit you were wrong.

Hell, you even quoted me saying "Stranded CCA cable is almost never ever twisted", so why are you now arguing that I was referring to solid-core CCA???

Nope I didn't. I simply pointed out your change of mind. Going from NEVER twisted to ALMOST never twisted. Again back tracks are okay, admitting you were wrong is better.

Who needs to certify the cable in order to determine that it's CCA? You're talking rubbish. We were talking about finding a CCA cable by visually inspecting it, so anyone who knows what they're talking about would know that a tester wouldn't be required. As for talking about a 2-PC network at home... you're trying to teach completely the wrong guy now so let's not even get into networking unless you really do want an education.

Well I guess if you don't know why an installation would need to be certified, then I'll pass on the education, thanks for the offer anyway.

Eh? You've got serious English comprehension issues! I never stated that I can EXPLAIN CCA simply by looking at it. What are you waffling about?? I stated that I could identify it by looking at it. I carry CCA cables to actually show customers the differences between CCA and Copper. Some people don't believe it until they see the difference with their own eyes.

Right so you can't identify a CCA patch cable just by looking at it. You need to cut the ends off. Thought as much.

Remind me to never hire you as an electrician (which you haven't confirmed yet, but clearly are).

I see your magical powers of assumption are at work again. Dangerous and ignorant at the same time.

I could use a piece of tin-foil as a fuse as physics dictates that electricity would pass through the foil and complete the circuit. HOWEVER, it's unsafe and therefore whether physics dictates whether it will work or not, I wouldn't do it. There is a huge difference between something working and something being safe.

Quite right, which is why I said repeatedly (before you even got involved in the discussion)

"but I would recommend you buy some 100% copper cable."

"I will add, that for any PoE use, it's recommended to use 100% copper cable."


As for your insistence to keep taking my original comment out of context..... the question I replied to about PoE and CCA was for THIS cable. I never once said it's okay to use ALL/ANY CCA cable with ANY PoE device over ANY distances. I said it would work, but I recommend you use copper cable for any PoE.

What part of 'yes it will work, but I recommend copper cable for PoE' don't you understand? You seem to be arguing over the very thing you yourself are advising. Strange.

I have 4 ethernet cables in-front of me. All of varying quality/price/brand. All are pre fabricated patch cables. All are Copper Coated Aluminium. All are STRANDED.
So trying to mislead people by telling them that ALL CCA cables will not be twisted is just plain silly. Some may indeed not be twisted, but less of the 'I have tested every cable in the world' claims. You do know there are varying qualities of CCA cables, just like there are varying qualities of 100% copper cable.






Edited By: topss on Jul 31, 2015 11:23
topss
It's called a 'structured installation'.

I'm not one to quote Wikipedia usually, but I feel this is warranted seeing as you're being pedantic and trying to correct me...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structured_cabling#Subsystems


topss
No, stop playing with words. Your exact quote was "Not a single CCA cable would be twisted, so would fail ALL EXT tests immediately.".

I did say that, but in a different place. What you quoted isn't relevant. You're using that statement out of context, so your argument is invalid in the way you're attempting to use it.


topss
So it's never twisted, almost never twisted and also twisted. Which one of the three is it? See, it's not difficult being pedantic and obtuse is it.

It's also easy for you to pick and choose where and when you put specific arguments forward. I've said that stranded CCA is never twisted. This thread, the one that YOU posted was related to a patch cable, which should ALWAYS be stranded. I was never referencing SOLID core cable when referring to CCA never being twisted as I was referring to the cable you posted in this topic. Hell, you even quoted me saying "Stranded CCA cable is almost never ever twisted", so why are you now arguing that I was referring to solid-core CCA???


topss
A visual inspection wouldn't meet certification requirements. In other words pointless. Might be okay for your simple two PC network at home, but not for anyone who knows what they are talking about.

Who needs to certify the cable in order to determine that it's CCA? You're talking rubbish. We were talking about finding a CCA cable by visually inspecting it, so anyone who knows what they're talking about would know that a tester wouldn't be required. As for talking about a 2-PC network at home... you're trying to teach completely the wrong guy now so let's not even get into networking unless you really do want an education.


topss
So you can't just explain it by looking at it like you claimed. Thought as much.

Eh? You've got serious English comprehension issues! I never stated that I can EXPLAIN CCA simply by looking at it. What are you waffling about?? I stated that I could identify it by looking at it. I carry CCA cables to actually show customers the differences between CCA and Copper. Some people don't believe it until they see the difference with their own eyes.


topss
Again, no-one other than yourself did claim or mention that.

Wow! In post #18 you said...

"DC resistance test limit is fixed at 25 ohms regardless of the length of the cable, so anything upto around 70m would almost pass, because of the 25 ohm fix."

...so how you can claim that I was the one to say that is beyond me.

topss
Absolutely correct. This 15m CCA cable would work with a low powered PoE device. It's called physics and no matter how much you would like that to be different, it won't. But I would recommend (as I have many times before you interjected) 100% copper cable for PoE.

Remind me to never hire you as an electrician (which you haven't confirmed yet, but clearly are). I could use a piece of tin-foil as a fuse as physics dictates that electricity would pass through the foil and complete the circuit. HOWEVER, it's unsafe and therefore whether physics dictates whether it will work or not, I wouldn't do it. There is a huge difference between something working and something being safe.
the__cat

You misread. I mentioned that you never explained that CCA SHOULD ONLY be considered for use in loose installations (ie, as a patch lead). As for "as long as it works at the speed you require, nothing else should really matter."... oh, how wrong you are. I'm guessing you're a sparky, right?

No, stop playing with words. Your exact quote was "Not a single CCA cable would be twisted, so would fail ALL EXT tests immediately.". Which is total rubbish. I had one of these delivered and it's twisted. And it gives Gigabit speeds.

Again, visual inspection would nearly always determine that much quicker than testing each individual cable. I don't understand what you don't get about this??

Right, like to see you identify a single cable from a bunch within the 10 seconds you originally quoted. Especially when behind a wall. Stop being so obtuse.


Not at all. I understand the difference between the two terms completely. However, it seems that you insist on talking about solid-core cable for some reason though, while unfortunately this isn't the same as loose cabling which should ALWAYS be stranded, and is the subject of this thread since you posted a deal relating to a patch cable, not a horizontal installation. The CCA cable I am talking about is pre-fabricated patch leads, of which I have 3 in my bag, each with 1 end chopped off to use as examples when I show people the differences between CCA and Copper.
Stranded CCA cable is almost never ever twisted due to its lack of physical strength, and where it is twisted it is never ever twisted at the correct frequency.

So making things up as you go along. Who mentioned solid cable (apart from you)? Stranded cable can also be 100% copper.


You're way off the mark here. Read my statement again. I was saying that you're giving CCA too much credit if you think it'll pass a DC resistance test at 70m. It wasn't really such a complicated statement, was it?!

Only one way off the mark is yourself. 55m off the mark. The discussion was about patch cables of 15m not 70m+ ones.


So, you did say that it would be fine for use with a low-powered PoE device...

Absolutely correct. This 15m CCA cable would work with a low powered PoE device. It's called physics and no matter how much you would like that to be different, it won't. But I would recommend (as I have many times before you interjected) 100% copper cable for PoE.

You do realise that this means you're telling people that it is fine to use CCA for PoE applications?? I don't see how you can argue against this point. You're clearly saying that it's fine to use.

Post 13 (again, can't you read?)

"I would recommend you buy some 100% copper cable."

"I will add, that for any PoE use, it's recommended to use 100% copper cable."


Again, visual inspection would nearly always determine that much quicker than testing each individual cable. I don't understand what you don't get about this??

A visual inspection wouldn't meet certification requirements. In other words pointless. Might be okay for your simple two PC network at home, but not for anyone who knows what they are talking about.


Not at all. I understand the difference between the two terms completely. However, it seems that you insist on talking about solid-core cable for some reason

Only one doing that is yourself

.....though, while unfortunately this isn't the same as loose cabling which should ALWAYS be stranded, and is the subject of this thread since you posted a deal relating to a patch cable, not a horizontal installation.

It's called a 'structured installation'.

The CCA cable I am talking about is pre-fabricated patch leads, of which I have 3 in my bag, each with 1 end chopped off to use as examples when I show people the differences between CCA and Copper.

So you can't just explain it by looking at it like you claimed. Thought as much.

Stranded CCA cable is almost never ever twisted due to its lack of physical strength, and where it is twisted it is never ever twisted at the correct frequency.

Earlier you said: Not a single CCA cable would be twisted, so would fail ALL EXT tests immediately.

So it's never twisted, almost never twisted and also twisted. Which one of the three is it? See, it's not difficult being pedantic and obtuse is it.


You're way off the mark here. Read my statement again. I was saying that you're giving CCA too much credit if you think it'll pass a DC resistance test at 70m. It wasn't really such a complicated statement, was it?!

Again, no-one other than yourself did claim or mention that.
topss
See post 11

"I will add that if you are running cables under floor or in walls, then buy good quality 100% copper cables. I have mentioned this in various posts in the past. But for a simple patch cable, as long as it works at the speed you require, nothing else should really matter."

You misread. I mentioned that you never explained that CCA SHOULD ONLY be considered for use in loose installations (ie, as a patch lead). As for "as long as it works at the speed you require, nothing else should really matter."... oh, how wrong you are. I'm guessing you're a sparky, right?

topss
"There would be no problems using it, especially for a low powered device like an IP cam, but I would recommend you buy some 100% copper cable. The links in the above posts will be fine.

Edit

I will add, that for any PoE use, it's recommended to use 100% copper cable. "

So, you did say that it would be fine for use with a low-powered PoE device... You do realise that this means you're telling people that it is fine to use CCA for PoE applications?? I don't see how you can argue against this point. You're clearly saying that it's fine to use.

As I said, just don't use CCA for PoE devices.


topss
Try finding a CCA cable in an installation where there are hundreds of cables, not one.

Again, visual inspection would nearly always determine that much quicker than testing each individual cable. I don't understand what you don't get about this??


topss
Then you purchased untwisted cable. Try twisted pair CCA cable like I was discussing. Again you seem to be confused with certified and verified.

Not at all. I understand the difference between the two terms completely. However, it seems that you insist on talking about solid-core cable for some reason though, while unfortunately this isn't the same as loose cabling which should ALWAYS be stranded, and is the subject of this thread since you posted a deal relating to a patch cable, not a horizontal installation. The CCA cable I am talking about is pre-fabricated patch leads, of which I have 3 in my bag, each with 1 end chopped off to use as examples when I show people the differences between CCA and Copper.

Stranded CCA cable is almost never ever twisted due to its lack of physical strength, and where it is twisted it is never ever twisted at the correct frequency.


topss
Too much credit? You mean like CCA credit? That's correct, a CCA cable is a CCA cable and deserves that credit. No one was arguing it was the same as 100% copper. Again, please stop using extreme opposite examples when trying to make a point that wasn't being discussed.

You're way off the mark here. Read my statement again. I was saying that you're giving CCA too much credit if you think it'll pass a DC resistance test at 70m. It wasn't really such a complicated statement, was it?!
the__cat

Sorry to disagree, but no you didn't. You said CCA is fine for PoE, which it categorically isn't. I can't see anywhere that you said you should only use CCA in loose installations either.

See post 11

"I will add that if you are running cables under floor or in walls, then buy good quality 100% copper cables. I have mentioned this in various posts in the past. But for a simple patch cable, as long as it works at the speed you require, nothing else should really matter."

and 13.

"There would be no problems using it, especially for a low powered device like an IP cam, but I would recommend you buy some 100% copper cable. The links in the above posts will be fine.

Edit

I will add, that for any PoE use, it's recommended to use 100% copper cable. "


Again, I disagree. I have 3 different CCA cables in my bag and none are twisted. They are all far too flimsy to be able to be twisted to the correct frequency on each pair anyway, so if they were twisted they would still be outside of spec.

Then you purchased untwisted cable. Try twisted pair CCA cable like I was discussing. Again you seem to be confused with certified and verified.

Again, disagree. It takes 10 seconds to take a faceplate off the wall and spot CCA, especially if it's crap quality. I don't need a tester to see that.

Try finding a CCA cable in an installation where there are hundreds of cables, not one.


I think you're giving CCA too much credit. And anyway... 'almost pass' isn't actually 'a pass'.
At the end of the day, there IS a REAL Cat5E cable, and there is a CCA cable. The two ARE wildly different. A Cat5E cable must meet a specific manufacturing specification, whereas a CCA cable has no stringent specifications. The DC resistance will be massively over spec if you use a CCA cable for PoE applications and if you want to use 802.3at devices just don't bother.

Too much credit? You mean like CCA credit? That's correct, a CCA cable is a CCA cable and deserves that credit. No one was arguing it was the same as 100% copper. Again, please stop using extreme opposite examples when trying to make a point that wasn't being discussed.
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Anyone with a poor wi-fi where they need it as I do in the loft/office, this looks like a good cheap alternative. I've really no idea how much these can be picked up for, someone is bound to say
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Funny how the sensible comments are the recent ones. Nearly all the early comments are by people talking rubbish who don't know the difference between their elbows & their ar*#holes.

Edited By: tan159 on Jun 25, 2015 08:40: spelling
cynikill
As much as I try and avoid wireless, if you are only going for 100, why both with cabling?

Security. Though if you care about that, you probably already have gigabit and proper cable so I see your point :)
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barberbetts
Is this **** or not?


Yes, but will do for a 15m 100Mbps link.

It's not Cat5 but it will be wired the same from a continuity point-of-view.


So ok then from Ps tv to ps4 connection? Thanks.
cynikill
Ok, makes sense if you mean wireless.
Personally, I wouldn't even consider CCA, I know the effort it took to cable the house. You will be suprised how long some of the runs you use are. I got through 2 305m rolls in my house (not unusually large) including one which was graded for outdoor use when access wasn't possible. If you are going to place cables in hard-to-reach places, I would
strongly suggest you get a drum of Cat6 solid (stranded is a pita) COPPER UTP (not FTP/STP - they need grounding) and cable yourself.
If you shop around, you can get one for approx £75 and you will be future proofed for 10gbit. Careful as even Kenable etc. list CCA as CAT 6 / CAT 5 which I am surprised they get away with although they do state CCA rather than trying to mislead people. The cost of faceplates and patch panels (strongly recommend a panel - not hugely expensive) will of course add to the cost but once you have a reliable hard wired network, you wont look back. Look up wiring online, pick 568 A OR B wiring and stick to it (and keep note of which you used).
Well I'd say if you're wiring your house properly, spend more now for less trouble later. I have a cheapo Cat5e that's 50m long running just loosely pinned to the skirting and it does what it does well, and I get my full 100mbs download from Virgin - though I'd be worried if it was a permanent as sometimes it does disconnect and requires re-connection and disconnection to start it again.
Ok, makes sense if you mean wireless.
Personally, I wouldn't even consider CCA, I know the effort it took to cable the house. You will be suprised how long some of the runs you use are. I got through 2 305m rolls in my house (not unusually large) including one which was graded for outdoor use when access wasn't possible. If you are going to place cables in hard-to-reach places, I would
strongly suggest you get a drum of Cat6 solid (stranded is a pita) COPPER UTP (not FTP/STP - they need grounding) and cable yourself.
If you shop around, you can get one for approx £75 and you will be future proofed for 10gbit. Careful as even Kenable etc. list CCA as CAT 6 / CAT 5 which I am surprised they get away with although they do state CCA rather than trying to mislead people. The cost of faceplates and patch panels (strongly recommend a panel - not hugely expensive) will of course add to the cost but once you have a reliable hard wired network, you wont look back. Look up wiring online, pick 568 A OR B wiring and stick to it (and keep note of which you used).
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