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Aopen EX945-GC Barebones Bundle - Intel E2200 - 2Gb DDR2 800Mhz Memory, 275w PSU £136.85 delivered @ Novatech + 3% quidco

£136.85 @ Novatech
Nice little bundle for a slightly older shuttle style mini barebones system. Includes an Intel Pentium E2200 dual core cpu (2.2ghz, 800fsb) & 2 gb of ram. Just add a hard drive, optical drive and poss…
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7y, 11m agoFound 7 years, 11 months ago
Nice little bundle for a slightly older shuttle style mini barebones system. Includes an Intel Pentium E2200 dual core cpu (2.2ghz, 800fsb) & 2 gb of ram. Just add a hard drive, optical drive and possibly a graphics card (single slot only and likely have to be one without an extra power connector - Ati radeon 4670 would do decent lower resolution gaming duties) .

Looks like this product here but I guess you might like to email Novatech to make sure :)

Install guide here

User :/ manualthough it's rather generic
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#1
That's a nice wee system there.
#2
Nice corner filling system! Would not look that much out of place next to the Kenwoods.:thumbsup:
#3
[FONT="Verdana"]Good deal and a lot better than a nettop system in terms of cost & expansion options.

Cheers, Scotty Boy! :thumbsup:[/FONT]
#4
Been on for a while (couple of months at least I think). I thought the same 4670. nice little system.
1 Like #5
Voted hot, great price for a nice little SFF system.

The motherboard has built in GMA 950 graphics, for normal desktop use (browsing, office apps etc) this is perfectly adequate (no use at all for gaming however). You can get a new SATA DVD writer for £16.57 and a 250GB hard drive for £31.40 to complete the system if you don't have any old parts at home. That gives you a very usable base unit for £184.82.
#6
How many PCI slots does this have?.
#7
Performance wise this trumps the new Acer Revo by miles, but its not as small or sexy. Tough call, as at this moment I'm leaning to small and sexy........
1 Like #8
CAPTAIN KIRK
How many PCI slots does this have?.


None according to the spec sheet linked to.
It's got two PCI-Express slots, x1 and x16.
#9
tickedon
None according to the spec sheet linked to.
It's got two PCI-Express slots, x1 and x16.


Thanks, was not sure what the difference was, I have not had to think about this since the days of SVGA graphics cards. Cheers
#10
I am tempted to buy this but then again i could always chip in a bit more cash and get a netbook. With a spare 15.4" monitor lying around i could always use it as a second display as well... :thinking:
#11
HSF was configured for early 95W to 130W CPUs
This chip has a TDP of 65 watts.
The heatsink will be proprietary cause it is so cramped in there , but I bet you can throttle the fan down to 7 volts .
Last Shuttle I built was a socket A but the PSU was pretty quiet too.

Bung in a 2.5" sata drive

IMHO opitcal drives are legacy

COCO
#12
Would like something like this to use as a kinda server, how many hdd's can you fit in it?
#13
thedo
Performance wise this trumps the new Acer Revo by miles, but its not as small or sexy. Tough call, as at this moment I'm leaning to small and sexy........


Sort of - you'd need to add a better graphics card as the revo's 9400M is pretty nippy but obviously chip wise it's better and no doubt can be upgraded and the graphics wouldn't be too much. Swings and roundabouts I guess.

nb As a server or maybe even hackintosh (GMA950 likes OSX) it's good too.

Anyone know if these are quiet?
#14
I_SHOULD_COCO

IMHO opitcal drives are legacy


You are joking surely? Virtually all retail software is distributed on CD or DVD for starters. CD for music and DVD for video are hardly dead either, and Blu-ray has only just become a mainstream format so it's unlikely to be superceded for a long while yet. How do you install your operating system without an optical drive?

The 2.5" SATA drives are quiet and have very low power consumption, but considering there is room for a 3.5" drive and you can get more than double the capacity and significantly higher performance for about £3 more then it hardly seems worth it to be honest.
#15
mikerj
You are joking surely? Virtually all retail software is distributed on CD or DVD for starters. CD for music and DVD for video are hardly dead either, and Blu-ray has only just become a mainstream format so it's unlikely to be superceded for a long while yet. How do you install your operating system without an optical drive?
.

who needs optical media with usenet?

1Jim0
Would like something like this to use as a kinda server, how many hdd's can you fit in it?

this review:
http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/reviews/167625/aopen-xc-cube-ex945gc.html
suggests that you can only fit one 3.5" device.
also the graphics card should be a low profile one.
#16
Anyone know what the best graphics card this would run
#17
Hot mate!!!

If i was to stick in my Blu-ray optical drive and then add a decent HDMI Graphics card would this be good as a HTPC ??
#18
fred box
who needs optical media with usenet?


this review:
http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/reviews/167625/aopen-xc-cube-ex945gc.html
suggests that you can only fit one 3.5" device.
also the graphics card should be a low profile one.


This case fits a full height graphics card, it does not have to be low profile the review simply states it must have low profile heatsinks, which most mid range and lower cards do have.

Excellent system that i would have bought, if only it had a PCI slot for my 7.1 sound card, as i need the optical out on that. and the PCI-E slot would be used for my HDMI out graphics card.
#19
fred box;4977516
who needs optical media with usenet?

So you are effectively saying "who needs to buy stuff when you can steal it ?" :x

Heat added to the deal though
#20
I have one question stopping me from buying it, how loud is it?
1 Like #21
jamesdew
I have one question stopping me from buying it, how loud is it?


running normally i.e surfing etc the cpu fan is extremely quiet, i guess this mey go up as the load is put on the system.

over all i am very inpressed with it.

hope this helps.
banned#22
Hot mate!!!

If i was to stick in my Blu-ray optical drive and then add a decent HDMI Graphics card would this be good as a HTPC ??


Exactly what I was thinking!

What spec graphics card would be needed? Any advice
#23
mikes01666
Exactly what I was thinking!

What spec graphics card would be needed? Any advice


nothing too fancy a basic dedicated should be fine. A good feature for it to have is if it connects to the audio header on the motherboard so the audio can also be passed down the HDMI cable.

Anything too fancy might be too much for the 275w PSU.
#24
fred box
who needs optical media with usenet?


Where do you think most of the stuff on Usenet comes from?
#25
spong_miester
Anyone know what the best graphics card this would run


The fastest card this is likely to run will be an ATi Radeon 4670 as the psu has no pci-express power connector. If you can find one you could always get a Zotac 9800gt ECO edition as this has no power connector either (normal 9800gt's have a 6 pin pci-e connector.) it has a downclocked core & shader processor to acheive the power saving, enabling it to run off the pci-e bus power.

Single slot cooler ATI 4670

9800gt ECO Edition
banned#26
nothing too fancy a basic dedicated should be fine. A good feature for it to have is if it connects to the audio header on the motherboard so the audio can also be passed down the HDMI cable.

Anything too fancy might be too much for the 275w PSU.


Thanks

Anyone got any makes/model numbers that will do this (i.e audio down HDMI and not draw too much power?)?
#27
spong_miester
Anyone know what the best graphics card this would run


novatech/saphire 4350 fits nicely

possibly a 8400gs
#28
well I've gone for this a 500gb hd and a sapphire 4350, to build a htpc, came to £215 delivered.
Was gonna get a revo when they came out but have decided that this should be a faster and better value system. Jus looking for reassurance really from a techie that I have made the right choice? Also is this gonna be able to cope with 1080p .mkv files? (dont have many but be nice to know) Should I have gone for the 4670?

Thanks
#29
peachy997
well I've gone for this a 500gb hd and a sapphire 4350, to build a htpc, came to £215 delivered.
Was gonna get a revo when they came out but have decided that this should be a faster and better value system. Jus looking for reassurance really from a techie that I have made the right choice? Also is this gonna be able to cope with 1080p .mkv files? (dont have many but be nice to know) Should I have gone for the 4670?

Thanks


IIRC .mkv files will need a codec (CoreAVC is the simplest choice, quite efficient at the slight expense of quality). These codecs are powered by the CPU although I understand there are ways of laying some of this off to a GPU but it's not straightforward (DXVA?). Apparently future versions of CoreAVC will use CUDA to offload onto nvidia GPUs.

So the simple answer isn't simple, but for now your choice of GPU won't have any bearing on mkv decoding. In terms of pure CPU power, I had a mac mini core duo 1.83 w/ GMA950 and that in XP did struggle with 1080p MKV. However I think some of this was lower RAM and 5400rpm HDD. Of course, with this you can pop an e5200 in and have power to spare for £50+ but that defeats the point of budgeting a little.

But for 720p mkvs and as a medium standard HTPC, you can't go far wrong with this, esp with the two full-height slots. The only bugbear is the lack of digital output, unless there is headers on the board itself. Otherwise you'll need to pick up a card or usb box, or use the analogue outs on the back.
#30
peachy997
well I've gone for this a 500gb hd and a sapphire 4350, to build a htpc, came to £215 delivered.
Was gonna get a revo when they came out but have decided that this should be a faster and better value system. Jus looking for reassurance really from a techie that I have made the right choice? Also is this gonna be able to cope with 1080p .mkv files? (dont have many but be nice to know) Should I have gone for the 4670?

Thanks


Yes this will easily cope with MKvs, the only thing missing as I mentioned in another post is that that card probably does not have a SPDIF passthrough (at least it doesn't say it does) If you are using external speakers this is not a problem and if your not then your TV will need an axillary audio input it can access the sound from your sound card and the HDMI video at the same time, not all TVs can do this (like mine for some stupid reason (LG 425000)).

But then come to think of it we don't even know if the board in this thing has a SPDIF out header so this may be an irrelevant point.

I was going to get one of these but I need to buy a sofa this month, damn growing up and living with my girlfriend. I used to buy toys like this on a whim and would make do with sitting on a cardboard box.
#31
gunark
IIRC .mkv files will need a codec (CoreAVC is the simplest choice, quite efficient at the slight expense of quality). These codecs are powered by the CPU although I understand there are ways of laying some of this off to a GPU but it's not straightforward (DXVA?). Apparently future versions of CoreAVC will use CUDA to offload onto nvidia GPUs.

So the simple answer isn't simple, but for now your choice of GPU won't have any bearing on mkv decoding. In terms of pure CPU power, I had a mac mini core duo 1.83 w/ GMA950 and that in XP did struggle with 1080p MKV. However I think some of this was lower RAM and 5400rpm HDD. Of course, with this you can pop an e5200 in and have power to spare for £50+ but that defeats the point of budgeting a little.

But for 720p mkvs and as a medium standard HTPC, you can't go far wrong with this, esp with the two full-height slots. The only bugbear is the lack of digital output, unless there is headers on the board itself. Otherwise you'll need to pick up a card or usb box, or use the analogue outs on the back.


Well that's not totally true the GFX will have some bearing. Some crappy onboard offerings just cant handle updating 1920x1080 constantly changing pixels and you get a horrible screen tearing effect. That would have nothing to do with it being an MKV file though just simply HD video.

Any modern dedicated video card should be able to display 1080p without a problem as can some modern on-board offerings.

However as you said the decoding of an MKV is all down to the processor.
#32
my understanding is a sapphire 4350 can output the audio via hdmi, without any special connections to the motherboard, unlike nvidia cards e.g. geforce 9400gt,is that incorrect? It jus requires installing the correct realtek drivers, though i could well be wrong.

Also is it worth upgrading to a hd4670 if i wanna put a couple of games on here?is it a great improvement on the 4350? and also what is the 4670's power consumption like, having trouble on finding a figure for it underload.

i write this sitting on a cardboard box :-)
#33
peachy997
my understanding is a sapphire 4350 can output the audio via hdmi, without any special connections to the motherboard, unlike nvidia cards e.g. geforce 9400gt,is that incorrect? It jus requires installing the correct realtek drivers, though i could well be wrong.

The ATI cards from HD 2400 onwards support audio over HDMI using the inbuilt audio chip on the card; you just need to install the ATI driver.
The easiest way to get this feature is to buy an ATI card with a built in HDMI port. The other way is to buy an ATI card with a DVI output and use an ATI DVI/HDMI adapter as this also passes audio over HDMI. Note. You have to buy the ATI adapter as generic adapters don’t support audio.
The cheaper cards tend not to have the adapter bundled so if you can find a cheap card with a HDMI port that seems to be the easiest method. Otherwise you can buy the ATI adapters on eBay as they are hard to find elsewhere; I’ve never seem them for sale in the UK.
#34
peachy997
my understanding is a sapphire 4350 can output the audio via hdmi, without any special connections to the motherboard, unlike nvidia cards e.g. geforce 9400gt,is that incorrect? It jus requires installing the correct realtek drivers, though i could well be wrong.

Also is it worth upgrading to a hd4670 if i wanna put a couple of games on here?is it a great improvement on the 4350? and also what is the 4670's power consumption like, having trouble on finding a figure for it underload.

i write this sitting on a cardboard box :-)


If this is true that is interesting news. Come to think if it I don't see why technically that's not possible and I may have spread outdated info on this forum. Oops/
#35
peachy997
Also is it worth upgrading to a hd4670 if i wanna put a couple of games on here?is it a great improvement on the 4350? and also what is the 4670's power consumption like, having trouble on finding a figure for it underload.

The HD 4670 seems to be the best choice for a HTPC/Gaming system for cards that don’t require an external power input. Have a look at this article at XBitLabs which is where the power data below is taken from:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/video/ati-radeon-hd4650/pc4650_power.png

The HD 4670 will be superseded in about 3 weeks by a card (HD 4770!) that offers performance close to a HD 4850 that supposedly will retail at $100. It does require an external power source so the maximum power draw will be around 80W.

peachy997
i write this sitting on a cardboard box :-)

I used to dream of a cardboard box when I was a lad.
#36
Here’s a list of ATI HD xxxx cards with a HDMI port – Newegg – ATI with HDMI.
Here’s a list of ATI HD 4670 cards with a HDMI port – Newegg – HD 4670.
#37
Get one quick...

It works a dream, i have got it running fedora 10, and streaming 1080p to a wd hd tv, as well as downloading, and running ftp to the 1tb disk copying my other hd material over.

Great little unit to use as a server as it has a crappy intel gma 950 onboard.
#38
mikes01666
Exactly what I was thinking!

What spec graphics card would be needed? Any advice


I currently run a Pentium 4 3.0Ghz (i.e. an OLD cpu) with an ATI 2600Xt graphics card they are the first ones that support on chip decoding of movie clips, and the machine has ran everything i have thrown at it, and it only cost me £40 :) support HDMI with a dvi to hdmi adpater.

If you get one with the ATI dvi to HDMI adapter they also do 5.1 audio via the HDMI lead too :)

superb card.
#39
Agharta
The ATI cards from HD 2400 onwards support audio over HDMI using the inbuilt audio chip on the card; you just need to install the ATI driver.
The easiest way to get this feature is to buy an ATI card with a built in HDMI port. The other way is to buy an ATI card with a DVI output and use an ATI DVI/HDMI adapter as this also passes audio over HDMI. Note. You have to buy the ATI adapter as generic adapters don’t support audio.
The cheaper cards tend not to have the adapter bundled so if you can find a cheap card with a HDMI port that seems to be the easiest method. Otherwise you can buy the ATI adapters on eBay as they are hard to find elsewhere; I’ve never seem them for sale in the UK.


dont discount the older series of cards i.e. the 2400 and 2600 ATI cards these both support 5.1 audio too, as ive got the 2600xt in my media centre, and they are cheap as chips on ebay.
#40
so something like this will do fine then plus it's heat sink and not fan so it will be silent

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