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Apple iBook 12" 30GB 256mb 1.2GHz (slightly old version) - £407.98 delivered

£407.98 @ K and Co
Apple M9623B-A ibook 12" 30GB 256mb 1.2GHz (slightly old version) - £407.98 delivered from empiredirect Specs are below average but being ibook thought of posting here. iBook G4 | 1.2Ghz Power P… Read More
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Apple M9623B-A ibook 12" 30GB 256mb 1.2GHz (slightly old version) - £407.98 delivered from empiredirect

Specs are below average but being ibook thought of posting here.

iBook G4 | 1.2Ghz Power PC G4512 K L2 Cache (at 1.2Ghz) | 12" TFT Display | 256MB | 30GB ATA/100 4200RPM | Slot-loading Combo Drive (DVD/CD-RW) | ATI Mobility radeon 9200 Graphics | 32MB DDR video memory | 1 Firewire | 400 port at 400Mbps | 2 USB2.0 Ports | Video Out port | Headphone Jack | Built-in 56K V.92 modem | Ethernet Built-in 10/100 | BASE-T Ethernet | AiprPort Extreme Built-in | System software:- Mac OS X version 10.3 Panther
All models include Mac OS X, Classic environment, Mail, iChat AV, Safari, Sherlock, Address Book, QuickTime, iLife (includes iTunes, iPhoto, iMovie, iDVD (2), GarageBand), iSync, iCal, DVDPlayer, AppleWorks, Mac OS X Chess, Microsoft Internet Explorer, World Book 2004 Edition, Nanosaur 2, Marble Blast Gold, MS Office Test Drive, Zinio Reader and Apple Hardware Test CD | 1 Year Parts Guarantee / 1 Year Labour Guarantee
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#1
thats a good price edi,
i just sold a second hand 2 year old one on ebay for £475
#2
Like it :santa: Thanks edi :santa:

They hold their price well eh?

Welcome to HotUKDeals by the way releaseyouself :)
#3
Hi Edi, That's a good price. 6-hours on battery sounds impressive. Any idea's what the RAM can be upgraded to?. Thank you.
Voted hot.
#4
I had this for my final year at uni, and it was amazing, probably even better than my upgraded MacBook.
#5
MacNewbieInTraining
Hi Edi, That's a good price. 6-hours on battery sounds impressive. Any idea's what the RAM can be upgraded to?. Thank you.
Voted hot.


Currently using a 14 inch version now.. i have 1024mb and runs like a beast lol
#6
Reluctantly posted this deal ... glad to know its a good price. Thanks everyone :santa:
#7
Where did they keep these? The Intel chips have been upgraded twice since the Power Pc was standard fair!
#8
Quidco just gets this under the psychological £400 barrier.

I'd say that firewire, wifi, and a real graphics card is a bit better than 'below average' suggests, we've all seen piles of Celerons with integrated shared memory GPU rubbish floating around at this price point plenty of times! So I'm pleased to see that you posted this despite your reluctance edi. :prop:

IMHO the intel GMA ruins the otherwise great Macbooks, benchmarks have shown the iBook edging out a Core Duo Macbook running native versions of UT, that's how bad shared memory is.

The only bummers are the miserable stock memory, no DVD burner or Bluetooth, although if your crafty/brave you can upgrade all of these internally yourself. :geek:
#9
Do bear in mind however you're buying a computer for which there will essentially be no new software made or updated.
suspended#10
urghh, bad specs, the £404.99 toshiba and compaq's posted recently are FAR better than this!
#11
It comes with Panther that is the OSX of 18 months ago! Do you think they keep them in a freezer? a modem that will never be used, small memory, but it is a Mac and new software should/will run on it, so good for several years as an Internet Wi Fi portal with iTunes music.
#12
Tosh Comp both windows ..... use a Mac and you never go back!
#13
Dudley, i think that's a wee bit premature - might be truer in a few years time. Mac OS 10.5 is due to be released in a few months and will support PowerPC. I'd say you've got about 3-5 years before you hit a major problem.
#14
But that won't happen for a few years until everyone gets on board the intel bandwagon, especially when considering the sales of G5s right up to the MacPro's release. By then you won't be particularly fussed because you didn't pay much for it, and wouldn't be running the latest and greatest anyway.

If you do all the basics - surf, type letters, use a digital camera/camcorder, etc, then you don't actually need to buy anything else, as it's all included in OSX and iLife.
#15
Probably a stupid question, but is there any way to run this using Windows and Windows progs ??

Would it be easy to add RAM and what sort of cost would be involved ?

Does it have a mic socket ? The description mentions headphone but not mic. I am thinking about using VOIP on the road.
#16
My girlfriend has this exact laptop, bought 1 & 1/2 years ago, refurbished for about £550.

Hers has 512Mb RAM, 60Gb HDD, and also hers has bluetooth, but I believe its just part of the Airport 'Extreme' So I wouldn't be suprised if this does have bluetooth. Maybe worth looking into?

I have to start by saying its a MAC ... my gf and I hated it for quite a while, because frankly MACS may crash less than windows, but lets face it, there is alot less to go wrong, they simply lack alot fo teh basic features and functionality of windows, dont get me started about the single button mouse.

One thing IU have to say is the battery is excellent! and on my gf's lappy it has a battery which has been recalled under the sony Li-ion fiasco so we are just waiting on a new one through the post (been over a month now).

The processor isn't excellent though, its fine for web browsing, Word etc, but it can't really handle the VirtualPC for MAC I put on it to try and run XP.

Definitely a good price though, how much would a 256Mb stick of RAM cost for a MAC ? Or is it just standard DDR SO-DIMM ?

EDIT: Ph yea forgot to add, the speakers in this really are not bad at all for the ickle 12" thing it is !! Pretty silent as well !

Put it this way, its my ideal Windows pal, if only it wasn't MAC :-D
#17
mullerman
Tosh Comp both windows ..... use a Mac and you never go back!


my wife quite often mentions a similar phrase, for some reason? :whistling: ........ONCE YOU GO Mac YOU NEVER GO BACK! ;-)
#18
FF99
Probably a stupid question, but is there any way to run this using Windows and Windows progs ??

Would it be easy to add RAM and what sort of cost would be involved ?

Does it have a mic socket ? The description mentions headphone but not mic. I am thinking about using VOIP on the road.



virtual pc software.
RAM is very easy to fit,the keyboard lifts up, take out the wifi card fit RAM, then reverse it!
#19
FF99
Probably a stupid question, but is there any way to run this using Windows and Windows progs ??

Would it be easy to add RAM and what sort of cost would be involved ?

Does it have a mic socket ? The description mentions headphone but not mic. I am thinking about using VOIP on the road.



im not sure, if not buy a USB mic?
#20
FF99: Running Windows is possible (through Virtual PC) but it's painfully slow and not really worth it (on this machine it'd perform around 1/10th of the speed of a £400 PC laptop). You'd also need a license for XP and at least 1Gb of RAM.

RAM is around £35 for 512Mb, £80 for 1Gb. Should be user-upgradable with a jeweller's screwdriver.

No Mic socket, but it does have a mic built it (which works alright). As 'releaseyourself' said, USB adapters are available

[Posted on a G4 Powerbook]
#21
Thanks so much for all the quick advice. Final Q. As this is plainly not suitable for running Windows, what do IBooks come with by way of software comparable to Outlook Express, IEXplorer and MS Word, and/or are all these also available in Mac versions ? I am a 100% Windows user and certainly don't want to have to start learning new progs !
#22
FF99
Thanks so much for all the quick advice. Final Q. As this is plainly not suitable for running Windows, what do IBooks come with by way of software comparable to Outlook Express, IEXplorer and MS Word, and/or are all these also available in Mac versions ? I am a 100% Windows user and certainly don't want to have to start learning new progs !


Outlook Express - Mail (Included with OSX)

IExplorer - Safari (Included with OSX) although I use Firefox (Free download)

MS Word - There is a version for the mac but it is old! Since I have a Intel Mac Mini I just switch to Windows if I ever want to use Office.
#23
Lexeus
lets face it, there is alot less to go wrong, they simply lack alot fo teh basic features and functionality of windows, dont get me started about the single button mouse.
Put it this way, its my ideal Windows pal, if only it wasn't MAC :-D

lol. Surely this is a joke?
#24
2 very final questions ;-) :-

Is the on-board Aiport Extreme wireless just the same in terms of connectivity and functionality as the wireless card that I currently have in my Windows based laptop ? Is it just a fancy name for regular wireless ?

And very finally: Is this the extraordinary deal that it seems ? These are still selling generally at double the price. Can anyone spot a catch in this ??

My main interest is having a 12" laptop for use on the road and this seems an incredible deal !

Thanks again for all the help ! :thumbsup:
#25
Next person to slag a Mac gets a virus .... well give it a week and i will claim responsibility!
#26
smashing deal
#27
im sure you can get refurbished macs from the apple website that have intel chips for around the same price
#28
Just a little note on the running windows on a mac issue...

I dont think anyone has said anything about apples boot camp, which is a free download and allows mac's to boot up in xp. For me i cannot see why you would want to, as everything i want to do on a mac i can do without windows.. but if needs be.. I have tried it and its pretty speedy.
#29
megamoo
Just a little note on the running windows on a mac issue...

I dont think anyone has said anything about apples boot camp, which is a free download and allows mac's to boot up in xp. For me i cannot see why you would want to, as everything i want to do on a mac i can do without windows.. but if needs be.. I have tried it and its pretty speedy.


Because it dosen't run on this particular model of iBook :(

P.S. these seem to be new stock, which would make it quite a good bargain! Not everyone needs the latest technology, and you cannot really compare these to PC laptop equivalents as some people have done.
#30
Dudley
Do bear in mind however you're buying a computer for which there will essentially be no new software made or updated.


Actually, this is completely untrue, Mac OS X runs on this, just like it runs on all other macs, and every update for the foreseeable future will work with this.
#31
Airport Extreme is 11G Wi-Fi, it's just marketing, like Centrino wireless.

Office 2004 is the current Mac version, both platforms tend to leapfrog each other every other year or so (the Mac version is an independent development by the Microsoft Mac Business Unit, not a port).

I don't recommend IE on ANY platform! Firefox, Opera, will do you nicely on either, plus you have Safari for the Mac, which is my choice.

Virtual PC is slow, but you can get away with basic browsing and Word Pro etc, I'd recommend at least around 768MB total system memory. That said if you are migrating then the problem will ease over time as you replace software.

Boot camp is Apples killer app, if your running intel.
#32
I,ve been using one of these (512mb memory: easy upgrade, 60GB HDD) for 18 months and it is just about the best thing I've ever used. Small, well built and over 4hours battery: this thing is truely a useable, portable laptop.

iLife for photos and garageband for musical fun = many happy hours.

VirtualPC is a waste of time and effort on this machine, but no great loss.
As has been said, word is 2004. There won't be any leapfrogging though as MS has pulled product development on the MAC version.

They have pulled the plug on mac IE as well and that is a loss because it's the only browser to support DRM for watching streaming TV from the likes of ITV and SKY. If the BBC go this route, then I shall have to bid a tearful farewell to this little beauty :( TBH for me it's the only fly in the ointment :santa:

PS: Opera is a darn fine web browser and email client all in 1 and just as good as firefox. Use VLC instead of widows mediaplayer, quicktime and also for DVD's. It'll be days before you put the thing down!!
#33
Rang up to find out about this and they only had 2 and they are both sold, although still showing as available on the website.

Another loss leading scam !!! :-(
#34
matt7powell
There won't be any leapfrogging though as MS has pulled product development on the MAC version.

They have pulled the plug on mac IE as well and that is a loss because it's the only browser to support DRM for watching streaming TV from the likes of ITV and SKY. If the BBC go this route, then I shall have to bid a tearful farewell to this little beauty :( TBH for me it's the only fly in the ointment :santa:

PS: Opera is a darn fine web browser and email client all in 1 and just as good as firefox. Use VLC instead of widows mediaplayer, quicktime and also for DVD's. It'll be days before you put the thing down!!


http://www.macworld.com/2006/12/opinion/microsoft/index.php

MS hasn't announced anything regarding Office for Mac, any prose regarding its future is opinion and speculation at the moment. I'm still running Office v.X on my Mac, won't upgrading any time soon either (ever?). IE was pulled the moment Safari replaced it as the Macs default browser. I don't see the existence of Apples Pages and Keynote doing the same thing any time soon though.

VLC is great, but I use everything at my disposal, Real for BBC streams, Flip4Mac for WMV (now recommended by MS), QT for H.264 Hi Def trailers, and VLC for DivX, Xvid, OGG, and everything else :)

I'm always surprised at the amount of Mac users that seemingly come out of nowhere whenever the platform is mentioned, it must be all those £2.50-a-go ATMs and tills beefing up market share stats :giggle:
#35
I'm always surprised at the amount of Mac users that seemingly come out of nowhere whenever the platform is mentioned, it must be all those £2.50-a-go ATMs and tills beefing up market share stats

Can you put this post in simplified English?
#36
I was referencing all the cash machines and PC based tills in shops. They all get included in market share stats even though they don't qualify as a regular desktop PC. I'm just saying that market share statistics as defined by home and business users using 'proper' PCs don't get mentioned.

Which probably explains the disproportionate usage of Safari (and some of the Firefox users), versus what we are led to believe. That's all :)
#37
Don't forget you can stick linux on there too :)

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