Asus E35M1-M PRO ZACATE, AMD Hudson M1, (drop in replacement for P3/P2 Case & PSU) Motherboard - £92.82 @ Scan - HotUKDeals
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Looking to replace my mobo when my creaking IDE disk finally croaks. Came up with this as a thoroughly modern stand in for my small (micro/mini)ATX case of P3 vintage. Don't want anything too powerful to blow the (120W) PSU so this seems ample, although to be a proper bean counter I'd probably pick a dual core Atom with the benefit of Intel economy of sale. But this has 8Gb max DDR3 which is why I feel it would serve me better and longer.

Form Factor: Micro ATX
CPU Socket: Integrated AMD Zacate 18W
QPI Speed: N/A
System Bus: N/A
Chipset: AMD Hudson M1
Memory Type: DDR3
Memory Channel: Dual
Memory Type (ECC): Non-ECC
Memory Type (R/U): Unbuffered
Memory Speed (Mhz): DDR3 - 1066
DDR3 - 800
Memory Capacity: 8GB
On Board Graphics: Yes
Graphics Interface: PCI-E 2.0 (x16)(x4 Bandwidth)
SLI: No
Hybrid SLI: No
Hybrid Crossfire: No
Crossfire: No
Water Cooled: No
Expansion Slots: 2 x PCI 3.0
1 x PCI-E 2.0 x1
1 x PCI-E 2.0 x16 (x4 Bandwidth)
SATA: SATA 6Gb/s
RAID: None
Back Panel: 1 x 10/100/1000 (LAN)
1 x D-Sub
1 x DVI
1 x eSATA 6Gb/s
1 x Firewire
1 x HDMI
1 x Line In
1 x Line Out
1 x Mic In
1 x PS/2 Keyboard/Mouse Combo
1 x SPDIF Out (Optical)
4 x USB 2.0
2 x USB 3.0
Internal I/O: 1 x 24pin (V)
1 x 4pin (V)
1 x Firewire
1 x FP Audio Header
1 x Parallel Header
5 x SATA 6Gb/s
1 x Serial (COM) Header
1 x SPDIF-Out Header
1 x System panel connector
1 x Turbo Key II switch
4 x USB 2.0 Header
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Although the motherboard is well specified you can buy a decent dual core socket 775 cpu and motherboard for the same money which will outperform this.
#3
just so long as you dont expect too much performance cpu-wise its certinaly a really interesting board :)
#4
The G31 chipset is good but I prefer to have 8Gb of DDR3 for memory intensive tasks just as full CPU (C2D etc) users appreciate their huge caches. This is simply off die cache. The bottleneck is the hard disk, and the review in the first post claims to have 5 sata ports. Just one at 6GB is still twice the speed of any socket 775 generation mobo.
#5
Sadly, all these luxuries require power, and I was looking for a budget system on a power budget.
#6
By any socket 775 generation, i mean any in this price bracket, which is why I focused on the G31. No doubt enthusiast and extreme editions exist but I felt that that would rather defeat your argument.
#7
Hey, it's cheaper than Dabs by £2 and more than a tenner less than ebuyer.

As #3 said, a really interesting board.
#8
I wonder how quickly these first gen boards will drop in price...
#9
dt_matthews - Apr 20, 2011 23:15
I wonder how quickly these first gen boards will drop in price...

I thought the same thing about the original LittleFalls. Dropped to about £45 but started cheap and by that time I needed more oomph and would prefer to spend £65 on a dual core Atom. Been that prices for ages so didn't bother posting as this forum seems to favour newer technology.
#10
If you are using this as a NAS you would be using mechanical hard drives which don't exceed SATA2 speeds - even with a SATA3 SSD I doubt this cpu would be fast enough to process the data and you are still limited by the Gigabit network - there is no real advantage to having SATA3 on this board.
#11
Unless you have no network to be limited by and instead juggle data via USB3.

Show me your Core2 mobo deal at an equivalent price (though requiring new case & PSU)
#12
brookheather
If you are using this as a NAS you would be using mechanical hard drives which don't exceed SATA2 speeds - even with a SATA3 SSD I doubt this cpu would be fast enough to process the data and you are still limited by the Gigabit network - there is no real advantage to having SATA3 on this board.


Agreed.

Would like to see mini ITX Zacate price drops tho! Would make excellent silent HTPCs.
#13

brookheather
If you are using this as a NAS you would be using mechanical hard drives which don't exceed SATA2 speeds - even with a SATA3 SSD I doubt this cpu would be fast enough to process the data and you are still limited by the Gigabit network - there is no real advantage to having SATA3 on this board.

maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon...

And my advantage of 8Gb has still to be beaten by your higher powered Core 2 Duo and Mobo at a price near this. Yesterday's technology is hardwired to 4Gb limits.

Welcome to 64 bit computing. :)

Edited By: zaphodbb on Apr 21, 2011 23:21
#14
zaphodbb
And my advantage of 8Gb has still to be beaten by your higher powered Core 2 Duo and Mobo at a price near this. Yesterday's technology is hardwired to 4Gb limits.Welcome to 64 bit computing.

But how many people are actually going to use 8GB of RAM with a low performing platform such as this? Just because it supports it doesn’t mean it will be used.
Realistically most people could happily use 2GB with this platform; I’m struggling to think of a scenario where it makes sense to match 8GB with such a low performing setup!
It’s not even a very power efficient platform according to xbitlabs.
#15
agree, 8gb of ram with this board would seem to be a distinctly imbalanced (almost contradictory!) configuration.

Agharta
zaphodbb
And my advantage of 8Gb has still to be beaten by your higher powered Core 2 Duo and Mobo at a price near this. Yesterday's technology is hardwired to 4Gb limits.Welcome to 64 bit computing.

But how many people are actually going to use 8GB of RAM with a low performing platform such as this? Just because it supports it doesn’t mean it will be used.
Realistically most people could happily use 2GB with this platform; I’m struggling to think of a scenario where it makes sense to match 8GB with such a low performing setup!
It’s not even a very power efficient platform according to xbitlabs.
#16
I only replace my machines when they need more memory. Memory is the solution to every problem.
#17
So you both accept defeat?
#18
zaphodbb
I only replace my machines when they need more memory. Memory is the solution to every problem.

Having 2 heads you need twice as much memory as most of us which is maybe why you are fixated on it. ;)
#19
Agharta, AMD are not particularly refined because they don't have a customer base to pay for new fabs the way Intel does. They have a few notable innovations under their belt but like everything in life this mobo is a balance, a compromise. I wouldn't post the 525 Atom here because it is old now and you would deride it as old technology, but makes a superb replacement for pre ATX 12V PSU's.

This is probably overkill, otherwise you you could rightly be calling my 525 platform 'old technology'.
#20
Just checked out the AMD Fusion platform on Maplin. 5x SATA 6GB/s. This is more performance oriented than a nettop, rather like a Pentium 3 revisited.
#21
zaphodbb
Memory is the solution to every problem.

Sorry, what did you just say?
#22
Oh, that review was wonderful! a £150 Intel platform vs this £100 AMD one. And this is ultra modern Intel, 2nd gen 32nm. Priceless. :)
#23
zaphodbb
And this is ultra modern Intel, 2nd gen 32nm.

They are both current generation platforms; the fact that the AMD APU is fabricated at 40nm is neither here nor there; you can only compare with what is in the market.
Note that I didn’t mention performance as it was always going to be a non contest but the power consumption for that particular comparison surprised me.
#24
40nm = 20% more electrons to pump. 20% current => 1.20^2 ~ 26% more power consumed on a like for like design.

Power consumptions is actually lower than core i3. The core i3 in your test is a laptop type, presently scarce and much more expensive than my previous £150 estimate. 1st gen 32nm core i3 lappys go for £300+. Easy.
#25
I didn't even know it was 40nm. Thanks for the figures.
#26
zaphodbb
Power consumptions is actually lower than core i3.

At idle and for video playback the i3 was lower. It had higher consumption at full load which you would expect considering it is 3 to 4 times faster for CPU intensive tasks but still more power efficient.

zaphodbb
The core i3 is a laptop type, presently scarce and much more expensive than my previous £150 estimate. 1st gen 32nm core i3 lappys go for £300+. Easy.

It’s a desktop system:

Intel Core i3-2100T (Sandy Bridge, 2 cores, 2.5 GHz, 3 MB L3) - Intel.
Zotac H67-ITX WiFi (LGA1155, Intel H67 Express).

I didn’t initially mention price or performance but as YOU mentioned power consumption being important to you I focussed on that.
AMD are cheap for a reason which sometimes means good value.
#27
I meant total, or maximum power consumption if unrestrained. Naturally a nettop substitute is less power hungry both at idle and peak power loads. Old story. Performance per watt scales with cost and peak power.
#28
You're talking about a £100 CPU still. The motherboard ain't free either so still easily 50% more expensive.
#29
So you say more efficient at idle. Not by much I'm sure.
#30
Are you the one on the left?
#31
Agharta, your system is a £100 CPU + £80 motherboard (cheapest on dabs). It is also likely to need a bigger PSU at peak loads. It is not a fair comparison to this nettop class integrated mobo/cpu which I had identified as the most powerful upgrade for old, pre-P4 case and power supplies (with 12V and 24 pin adaptors).
#32
brookheather
Although the motherboard is well specified you can buy a decent dual core socket 775 cpu and motherboard for the same money which will outperform this.


Just checked that, Scan do a G41 for £35 (today only). A Core 2 Duo at this lithography refinement, on ebay is another £60 with heatsink/fan. Add to that a new power supply and it starts looking less efficient. I don't think the C2D is streets ahead of this cpu, but then it is more a deal on a <120W system rather than performance cpu.
#33
This is dual core. So at least as good as Atom 525 and prolly a contender for C2D's.

I dislike having to upgrade my optical disks so I was kinda stuck on the 525 path, but I don't have much capital tied up in my optical devices really.
#34
Agharta
Are you the one on the left?


Are you mad?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_supply_unit_%28computer%29#Energy_efficiency

An specially optimised system such as this is always more efficient.
#35
http://www.servethehome.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/AMD-E-350-Power-Consumption-CPU-Comparison1.png
#36

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