ATI Radeon HD4650 512MB DDR2 TV-Out/DVI PCI-Express - £34.32 delivered @ Novatech - HotUKDeals
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Best low cost graphics card around just now and great value at this price.

Card costs £31.98 plus economy delivery at £1.99 ex VAT, with VAT on the delivery the total is £34.32

With most dual core systems AMD/Intel systems, this will run the latest games with decent frame rates at 1280x1024, 1280x800, 1440x900 at medium/high settings. It will run smoothly at higher resolutions with settings on low/medium.

Recommended as the best budget graphics card here:

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/best-graphics-card,review-31829-2.html

Also excellent for connection to a HDTV as a home theatre PC. HDMI, VGA, DVI outputs.

Full spec on the card below:

Loaded with the latest features, the ATI Radeon HD 4600 Series graphics cards deliver a level of gaming performance previously only found in high-end graphics cards. Redefine the way you play HD games and enjoy unprecedented levels of graphics realism powered by 320 stream processing units, up to 1GB of memory and support for Microsoft DirectX®10.1 games. Upgrade your graphics card and watch Blu-ray movies and play HD content with incredible visual fidelity1or take your experience to another level with new multimedia capabilities. Do it all with break-through energy efficiency that doesnt compromise performance.

DirectX® 10.1 & PCI Express® 2.0 support
320 stream processing units, 128-bit memory interface
24x custom filter anti-aliasing (CFAA) and high performance anisotropic filtering
Dual mode ATI CrossFireX multi-GPU support for highly scalable performance
Dynamic geometry acceleration & Game physics processing capability
ATI Avivo HD video and display technology
Unified Video Decoder 2 (UVD 2) for Blu-rayand HD Video
Accelerated Video Transcoding(AVT)
Dynamic power management with ATI PowerPlay technology
DVD Upscaling, Dynamic Contrast, Built-in HDMI with 7.1 surround sound support
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#1
this is a cracking price for a graphics card for a home theatre pc. Wouldn't recommend for gaming but with a dual processor and a blu-ray drive would be great for a living room/entertainment pc
#2
Hot for sure, not the best but will do a decent job.
#3
I'd prefer a passive one for a home theatre pc.
#4
Thanks OP and sorry to hijack this thread - but i this may be of interest to people looking to purchase - I have a ATi Radeon 4850 ( from memory) fitted to the Fujitsu-siemens deal I found on HD recently. The comp is fantastic however there is a compatability issue between the Radeon Graphics card and Win7 - I have lots of small blocks on my monitor and alot of internet forms etc have a black box across text areas. Also computer will crash if i try to use the WIN7 automatic download of drivers function.

Does anyone know of a fix for above problem. Regards Fraz
#5
I was going to go for the 4850,i dint realise it had issues with windows 7,how much is the 4850 nowdays ?
#6
frazman
Thanks OP and sorry to hijack this thread - but i this may be of interest to people looking to purchase - I have a ATi Radeon 4850 ( from memory) fitted to the Fujitsu-siemens deal I found on HD recently. The comp is fantastic however there is a compatability issue between the Radeon Graphics card and Win7 - I have lots of small blocks on my monitor and alot of internet forms etc have a black box across text areas. Also computer will crash if i try to use the WIN7 automatic download of drivers function.

Does anyone know of a fix for above problem. Regards Fraz


It sounds like your card is artifacting (those are the little graphical glitches/'blocks' you are seeing) since it seems unlikely that you might have overclocked the card I would suggest you contact the retailer as it is likely your card is faulty.
#7
would this gfx card be better than the one i have at the minute, it's an ATi Radeon x1950 256mb ... it runs most games at medium except for a few newer games like GTA4 and DiRT 2 (which i am currently trying to play)

It's mostly GTA4 i wanna run better as it looks and plays like a^^ on my PC.
#8
frazman
Thanks OP and sorry to hijack this thread - but i this may be of interest to people looking to purchase - I have a ATi Radeon 4850 ( from memory) fitted to the Fujitsu-siemens deal I found on HD recently. The comp is fantastic however there is a compatability issue between the Radeon Graphics card and Win7 - I have lots of small blocks on my monitor and alot of internet forms etc have a black box across text areas. Also computer will crash if i try to use the WIN7 automatic download of drivers function.

Does anyone know of a fix for above problem. Regards Fraz


I have run a 4850, 4870 and now a heavily overclocked 4890 with windows 7 64 bit with no problem. As previous said, could be a bad card or try uninstalling the driver and also run drive sweeper to get rid of old remanants of old driver, then reinstall with latest driver from ati site.
You may have tried this already and I might be teaching you to suck eggs so sorry if this is the case.
#9
thanks for the advice ref my problem above folks. I have just checked and I have the 4800 if that makes any bones? - haven't done any 'overclocking' - only just got the comp from MISCO on a previous deal. Thanks again
#10
I have a 4850 x3 crossfire with win 7 and no problems. Generally dots, lines etc on your display are a sign that the card has a problem. If it's still under warranty (less than 12 months old) RMA it, if not and it if you can live with the artifacts and the card still renders 3D okay then struggle on with it.

Edit: the 4850 will often show up as 4800. Download the driver from [url]www.ati.com[/url], that will guarantee you have the latest correct driver and will rule out any hardware problems. By default windows will find a a microsfot driver for your video card but this is a basic driver and doesn't allow you to acces all the features of the card. The correct ATI driver should sort it out if it is a driver problem. Let us know how you get on.
#11
hi, this prob isn't the same as what's wrong with your card but I had a radeon 9550 card that crashed alot after varying amounts of time. eventually I followed info from another site that said to change the drivers for the agp to cpu menu (in system devices) to 'VIA CPU to AGP 2.0/3.0 controller' or something along those lines. I'm not entirely sure what doing that actually does as I'm not that techy but thought I'd post just in case it helps :D
#12
aseddon130
would this gfx card be better than the one i have at the minute, it's an ATi Radeon x1950 256mb ... it runs most games at medium except for a few newer games like GTA4 and DiRT 2 (which i am currently trying to play)

It's mostly GTA4 i wanna run better as it looks and plays like a^^ on my PC.


This card has more memory but the processing power of the GPU is almost identical. The cards are ranked equal here:

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/best-graphics-card,review-31829-6.html

GTA 4 is notoriously power hungry. This card will run it but you'd need to put all settings on low to achieve the minimum 30FPS. This is the same card that runs Modern Warfare 2 at 60-70 FPS, so it says more about how badly GTA4 has been programmed rather than a lack of power from the card.

My i5-750 oc' to 3.6 Ghz, with x3 4850 crossfire, still can't get more than 50 - 60 FPS in GTA4 at medium/high details at 1680 x1050.

Even the very fastest card/CPU can't get over 65fps, an i7-975 4Ghz with a 5970, that's £1,500 worth of hardware, but only hits 64fps:

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/radeon-hd-5970,review-31732-14.html

Dirt 2 I had run at 40FPS with this card and 2.4 intel dual core. Low/medium details at 1280x1024.

I would advise against replacing the x1950 with this. You will not see a noticeable improvement, the 512mb memory compared to your 256mb is the only real difference. Alas, you'll need to spend a bit more to get a significant performance improvement.
#13
thanks for your help everyone - spoke to MISCO and there suggesting it may be caused by the installation of win7 and i'd have to revert comp back to running vista to check for blocks on screen before i can return. This is a real pain as i'd have to pay to have win7 wiped and re-installed for what is most obviously a hardware issue!
#14
frazman
thanks for your help everyone - spoke to MISCO and there suggesting it may be caused by the installation of win7 and i'd have to revert comp back to running vista to check for blocks on screen before i can return. This is a real pain as i'd have to pay to have win7 wiped and re-installed for what is most obviously a hardware issue!


It doesn't make any sense for win 7 to be the problem. Try the latest driver from ATI.com, that's the easiest thing to do, compared to a re-install of windows.

If after installing the latest driver it's still there, then try a different version of windows.

But do try a new driver first.

Good luck with it.
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#16
frazman
thanks for your help everyone - spoke to MISCO and there suggesting it may be caused by the installation of win7 and i'd have to revert comp back to running vista to check for blocks on screen before i can return. This is a real pain as i'd have to pay to have win7 wiped and re-installed for what is most obviously a hardware issue!
MISCO are bullsh**ting you.

The card will work fine with Windows 7. Windows 7 is categorically not the problem.

Before returning you need to check a couple of things as if they test the card and find it is not faulty they will probably hit you with some kind of admin fee.

Now, there is no such card as the 4800. In the 4800 series there are the 4830, 4850, 4870 and 4890 cards. But as someone said above, a 4850 will show up as a 4800 if it doesn't have the proper drivers. So I suspect you don't have the proper drivers.

So firstly you should install the latest drivers. Get these directly from the ATI website, not via Windows update. http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx

If that doesn't work, you should also make sure the drivers for the rest of your system, specifically the motherboard, are up to date. You may need to update the BIOS on your motherboard also, but try that as a last resort and only if you are confident about what you are doing.

Also you should check the power supply. Did you plug the 6 pin PCI-E power connector into the back edge of the graphics card when you installed it? Is that seated firmly? How many watts is the power supply in your PC? It needs to be at least 450W (more if your power supply is cheap and inefficient).

If you have access to another PC you could try the card in that. If it doesn't work then the card is almost certainly faulty.

If you try all this and the card still has problems, then you can conclude that the card is faulty and send it back to MISCO. There is no onus on you to reinstall Windows or do any other crap that they ask you. If it comes down to it, just say you already tried it.
#17
Seems to have sold out. Other 4650 cards can be found at a similar price on google shopping. I had tried to post a deal for another retailer but it seems they are banned for self promotion, so I'll not promote them either.

My hottest deal so far. It feels good to get heat.
#18
alasrati
MISCO are bullsh**ting you.

The card will work fine with Windows 7. Windows 7 is categorically not the problem.

Before returning you need to check a couple of things as if they test the card and find it is not faulty they will probably hit you with some kind of admin fee.

Now, there is no such card as the 4800. In the 4800 series there are the 4830, 4850, 4870 and 4890 cards. But as someone said above, a 4850 will show up as a 4800 if it doesn't have the proper drivers. So I suspect you don't have the proper drivers.

So firstly you should install the latest drivers. Get these directly from the ATI website, not via Windows update. http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx

If that doesn't work, you should also make sure the drivers for the rest of your system, specifically the motherboard, are up to date. You may need to update the BIOS on your motherboard also, but try that as a last resort and only if you are confident about what you are doing.

Also you should check the power supply. Did you plug the 6 pin PCI-E power connector into the back edge of the graphics card when you installed it? Is that seated firmly? How many watts is the power supply in your PC? It needs to be at least 450W (more if your power supply is cheap and inefficient).

If you have access to another PC you could try the card in that. If it doesn't work then the card is almost certainly faulty.

If you try all this and the card still has problems, then you can conclude that the card is faulty and send it back to MISCO. There is no onus on you to reinstall Windows or do any other crap that they ask you. If it comes down to it, just say you already tried it.


Agree with that.

Although 1 of my 4850s shows up as a Radeon 4800 series, even with the correct driver. Just a curious quirk of the radeon drivers system of naming and not the source of your problem.
#19
Thanks willie - tried the new driver no change and now the CS is closed so i'll get onto them on monday. thanks again for your help mate
#20
Ive got the x1950 512mb,it kept crashing when graphics were put under load,i cranked the fan upto max incase it was overheating and now it wont even output on my monitor,im not sure if it was underpowered ? it was on an easycool 500w psu,anyone know if there is a possible fix ? i bet its something simple like a cap or transistor that needs changing but ive got no experience in fixing these,any eggheads out there know whats wrong ? ...cheers:thumbsup:
#21
Willie_Hmmm
Seems to have sold out.

My hottest deal so far. It feels good to get heat.


Definitely a good deal, and some really helpful info in the thread - my son is looking at graphics cards, and this has been very useful. Thank you for posting, and thanks to everyone who offered advice and info :thumbsup:
#22
frazman
Thanks willie - tried the new driver no change and now the CS is closed so i'll get onto them on monday. thanks again for your help mate


Assume you'll have a Dell system restore disc or a system restore partition which should let you restore your pc to factory default settings. If your card works fine after the restore and the driver is reinstalled, then that would be very strange.

But worth a try before having to lose your PC for the few weeks whilst its getting checked out.
#23
dcx_badass
Yeah stop using the crappest PSU's in existence.


yeah i did suspect the psu but wasnt sure,what is a decent brand ?
#24
dcx_badass
I use this one, it's fantastic, gets amazing reviews. :
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/127861

They also have a 500w for £45.


A £60 psu seems like overkill for an older card that only requires x1 6 pin PCI-E connector.

From what I've read, the x1950 needs a 450watt PSU which can provide 24 amps on the 12v rail.

That puts you in the market for most of the £25 - £35 value power supplies. I've been able to find this for £35

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=256543

If your pc boots fine with the onboard graphics or another graphics card, then I'd guess that your PSU isn't the problem. PSUs usually fail completely. If the PC only fails to boot when your x1950 is plugged in, then it may be the card that has died.

I have an EZcool 500w, which has a PCI-E connector. Its only used occasionally but it powers an 8800GT card fine for the few hours a month when friends are round for LAN gaming sessions.

As your PC was failing under load, I'd err on the side of it being the PSU as that's when the PSU is most stressed and would be most likely to fail.
#25
Yeah i rekon the psu cant supply enough power,as its an old card its quite power hungry,i could do with borrowing one to test it as it may not be the problem,saying that i could do with a modular one as im low on space in my tower,the ezcool is rated at 500w but in reality i rekon its more like 350w,i may be wrong but thats my theory.Thanks for the links and advice :thumbsup:
#26
Got an ocz 600w ,cured all my graphics problems,system runs better than it ever has ...games will even run at 1080p .... amazing what a difference a decent psu makes ...:thumbsup:

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