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Beko WM84125W Washing Machine - White, 8KG, 1200rpm, A+++, Quick Wash 14 Min/28 Min, £179.99 @ Currys PC World

£179.99 @ Currys
My sister's washing machine is kaput, she's at work so she's given me the task of finding her a new one!! :) If you're on a budget, Beko are the way to go! Get this BEKO WM84125W Washing Machine - … Read More
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My sister's washing machine is kaput, she's at work so she's given me the task of finding her a new one!! :) If you're on a budget, Beko are the way to go!

Get this BEKO WM84125W Washing Machine - White installed for only £20.00
Get your old product removed & recycled for £15.00

You can choose a time-slot for £19.99, otherwise All Day Delivery is Free (7am-7pm).

If you've chosen All Day Delivery, check the order tracker https://knowhow.com/order-tracking-start.dhtml?country=uk after 8pm or so the night before, and a time-slot is assigned. So you don't have to wait in all day (thanks to benf90).

Edit: Quick Wash is listed as "Quick wash time - 14 minutes for 2kg - 28 minutes for 8kg". Though I never do undies, bedding etc on quick wash!

There's a 6kg, 1200rpm spin model on Currys' website for a tenner less, but you'd be mad to choose much smaller capacity for the sake of £10! (And 8kg is essential if you have king size bedding!) http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/household-appliances/laundry/washing-machines/beko-wm62125w-washing-machine-white-10132190-pdt.html

Get the most out of your time with the Beko WM84125W Washing Machine, the perfect appliance for busy homes, accommodating up to 8kg of washing.

The a choice of 15 programs gives you great variety when you have to accommodate for different loads and washing needs.

Select the Fast Wash and you won't have to wait around for your daily wash. This program can clean a full 8kg load in just 28 minutes.

For smaller loads in a rush, choose the Super Quick program, complete in just 14 minutes, still maintaining the same brilliant results.

For more specific loads, you can choose from Woollens, Synthetics and Shirts, tailoring each wash to what's inside the drum.

The Beko WM84125W has an automatic water level reduction for half or small loads, intelligently reducing the water used, saving you money and energy.

The digital display keeps you informed through each wash as well as showing how much time each cycle had left.

The time delay function means you can select a wash to start at a time that's convenient for you, up to 19 hours in advance.

Rated at A+++ for energy efficiency, the Beko WM84125W Washing Machine is an efficient and functional appliance to see to your laundry.

Type Freestanding washing machine
Colour White
Manufacturer’s guarantee 1 year

PERFORMANCE Capacity 8kg
Energy rating A+++
Wash performance A
Annual energy consumption 192 kWh
Annual water consumption 11000 litres
Consumption per cycle - 1.07 kWh - 50 litres

Spin performance B
Maximum spin speed 1200rpm
Noise level (wash) 58dB(A)
Noise level (spin) 76dB(A)

WASHING PROGRAMS Variable temperature Yes
Number of programs 15

Wash programs
- Cottons
- Cottons eco
- Daily quick
- Dark care
- Hand wash
- Mix
- Rinse
- Shirts
- Spin & drain
- Super short
- Synthetics
- Woolens
Wash functions
- Extra rinse
- No spin
- Prewash
- Quick wash
- Rinse hold
- Time delay

WASHING TIMES 60° wash time 194 minutes
Quick wash time - 14 minutes for 2kg - 28 minutes for 8kg

FEATURES Variable spin Yes
Spin stability Yes
Water remaining after spin 53%
Loading - Front loading - Large porthole

CONTROLS Display type LED screen
Program selector Dial & buttons
Delay timer Yes, 19 hours
Time remaining indicator Yes

GENERAL Dimensions - 850 x 600 x 540 mm (H x W x D) - 33.46 x 23.62 x 21.26 inches (H x W x D)
Recess dimensions 860 x 610 x 550 mm (H x W x D)
Boxed dimensions 890 x 650 x 600 mm (H x W x D)

Weight 71kg
Boxed weight 72kg
Stacking option Yes

Box contents
- Beko WM84125W Washing Machine
- Hose
- User manual
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9 Likes
louiselouise
There's also additional blurb
"Get this BEKO WM84125W Washing Machine - White installed for only £20.00
Get your old product removed & recycled for £15.00"

They also do a Price Promise which I wasn't aware of! http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/price-promise-1023-theme.html

"If you find Argos, Asda, John Lewis, Tesco or AO.com has the same product at a cheaper price, including voucher offers, we'll match it – even up to 7 days after purchase.

Make a note of the product number, its price and the competitor you want us to match. We’ll verify these details and match the price then and there. To benefit by phone, call 0344 561 0000 or if you have already made a purchase in store, please revisit one of our branches.

When you call us, we can reserve the item for collection at your local store or arrange delivery to your home – whatever suits you best!
Price promise terms and conditions

We'll match our competitor’s store or website UK price.
The competitor’s product must be brand new, identical to ours, and offered on the same terms.
We and the competitor must have stock ready for delivery.
We must be able to verify the competitor’s price and stock position.
We’ll match the price of a product; not delivery charges or other services.
Cannot be used with any other offer.

Voucher offers redeemable in the issuing retailer will be matched with equivalent savings discounted at time of purchase.
Offer limited to one per customer/household."


voted hot, but regarding the price promise, I think this model number is exclusive to currys, they do this so they don't have to price match. they have done this since the 80s, it just means they can say they will match identical models, but you will never find one.
5 Likes
hartlyhare
Don't buy Beko. Cheap and nasty. They have caught fire in the past. Don't buy.
Sigh!
5 Likes
hartlyhare
Just remember you get what you pay for. There's a reason this is cheap, because it's rubbish quality. My father repairs domestic appliances for a living, and has done for over 40 years. Trust me, they are rubbish. If you can afford to spend more, buy a Bosch.
"...you get what you pay for..." - should be a banned phrase on a deals site!
Oddly enough, BEKO scores are similar to Bosch ones on more objective survey sites!

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#1
Beko UK page: http://www.beko.co.uk/a-8kg-1200rpm-washing-machine-wm84125-white

http://brain-images.cdn.dixons.com/7/8/10132187/u_10132187.jpg
http://brain-images.cdn.dixons.com/7/8/10132187/l_10132187_004.jpg
http://brain-images.cdn.dixons.com/7/8/10132187/l_10132187_005.jpg

This picture is from the Beko UK website WM84125W link, and implies the LED is a slightly different colour?

http://flv.isitetv.com/media/images/1596/image_XL_137943_1596.jpg

Edited By: louiselouise on Oct 22, 2016 16:27: a
#2
There's also additional blurb
"Get this BEKO WM84125W Washing Machine - White installed for only £20.00
Get your old product removed & recycled for £15.00"

They also do a Price Promise which I wasn't aware of! http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/price-promise-1023-theme.html

"If you find Argos, Asda, John Lewis, Tesco or AO.com has the same product at a cheaper price, including voucher offers, we'll match it – even up to 7 days after purchase.

Make a note of the product number, its price and the competitor you want us to match. We’ll verify these details and match the price then and there. To benefit by phone, call 0344 561 0000 or if you have already made a purchase in store, please revisit one of our branches.

When you call us, we can reserve the item for collection at your local store or arrange delivery to your home – whatever suits you best!
Price promise terms and conditions

We'll match our competitor’s store or website UK price.
The competitor’s product must be brand new, identical to ours, and offered on the same terms.
We and the competitor must have stock ready for delivery.
We must be able to verify the competitor’s price and stock position.
We’ll match the price of a product; not delivery charges or other services.
Cannot be used with any other offer.

Voucher offers redeemable in the issuing retailer will be matched with equivalent savings discounted at time of purchase.
Offer limited to one per customer/household."
9 Likes #3
louiselouise
There's also additional blurb
"Get this BEKO WM84125W Washing Machine - White installed for only £20.00
Get your old product removed & recycled for £15.00"

They also do a Price Promise which I wasn't aware of! http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/price-promise-1023-theme.html

"If you find Argos, Asda, John Lewis, Tesco or AO.com has the same product at a cheaper price, including voucher offers, we'll match it – even up to 7 days after purchase.

Make a note of the product number, its price and the competitor you want us to match. We’ll verify these details and match the price then and there. To benefit by phone, call 0344 561 0000 or if you have already made a purchase in store, please revisit one of our branches.

When you call us, we can reserve the item for collection at your local store or arrange delivery to your home – whatever suits you best!
Price promise terms and conditions

We'll match our competitor’s store or website UK price.
The competitor’s product must be brand new, identical to ours, and offered on the same terms.
We and the competitor must have stock ready for delivery.
We must be able to verify the competitor’s price and stock position.
We’ll match the price of a product; not delivery charges or other services.
Cannot be used with any other offer.

Voucher offers redeemable in the issuing retailer will be matched with equivalent savings discounted at time of purchase.
Offer limited to one per customer/household."


voted hot, but regarding the price promise, I think this model number is exclusive to currys, they do this so they don't have to price match. they have done this since the 80s, it just means they can say they will match identical models, but you will never find one.
#4
shadey12
louiselouise
There's also additional blurb
"Get this BEKO WM84125W Washing Machine - White installed for only £20.00
Get your old product removed & recycled for £15.00"
They also do a Price Promise which I wasn't aware of! http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/price-promise-1023-theme.html
"If you find Argos, Asda, John Lewis, Tesco or AO.com has the same product at a cheaper price, including voucher offers, we'll match it – even up to 7 days after purchase.
Make a note of the product number, its price and the competitor you want us to match. We’ll verify these details and match the price then and there. To benefit by phone, call 0344 561 0000 or if you have already made a purchase in store, please revisit one of our branches.
When you call us, we can reserve the item for collection at your local store or arrange delivery to your home – whatever suits you best!
Price promise terms and conditions
We'll match our competitor’s store or website UK price.
The competitor’s product must be brand new, identical to ours, and offered on the same terms.
We and the competitor must have stock ready for delivery.
We must be able to verify the competitor’s price and stock position.
We’ll match the price of a product; not delivery charges or other services.
Cannot be used with any other offer.
Voucher offers redeemable in the issuing retailer will be matched with equivalent savings discounted at time of purchase.
Offer limited to one per customer/household."
voted hot, but regarding the price promise, I think this model number is exclusive to currys, they do this so they don't have to price match. they have done this since the 80s, it just means they can say they will match identical models, but you will never find one.
Oh, didn't know that about this model, must admit I haven't yet looked for reviews/in depth at this one. Thanks shadey12.
1 Like #5
louiselouise
shadey12
louiselouise
There's also additional blurb
"Get this BEKO WM84125W Washing Machine - White installed for only £20.00
Get your old product removed & recycled for £15.00"
They also do a Price Promise which I wasn't aware of! http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/price-promise-1023-theme.html
"If you find Argos, Asda, John Lewis, Tesco or AO.com has the same product at a cheaper price, including voucher offers, we'll match it – even up to 7 days after purchase.
Make a note of the product number, its price and the competitor you want us to match. We’ll verify these details and match the price then and there. To benefit by phone, call 0344 561 0000 or if you have already made a purchase in store, please revisit one of our branches.
When you call us, we can reserve the item for collection at your local store or arrange delivery to your home – whatever suits you best!
Price promise terms and conditions
We'll match our competitor’s store or website UK price.
The competitor’s product must be brand new, identical to ours, and offered on the same terms.
We and the competitor must have stock ready for delivery.
We must be able to verify the competitor’s price and stock position.
We’ll match the price of a product; not delivery charges or other services.
Cannot be used with any other offer.
Voucher offers redeemable in the issuing retailer will be matched with equivalent savings discounted at time of purchase.
Offer limited to one per customer/household."
voted hot, but regarding the price promise, I think this model number is exclusive to currys, they do this so they don't have to price match. they have done this since the 80s, it just means they can say they will match identical models, but you will never find one.
Oh, didn't know that about this model, must admit I haven't yet looked for reviews/in depth at this one. Thanks shadey12.


like I said, I think it's a good deal, but retailers have done this since at least the 80s, it means they can say they price match, customer thinks oh it must be a great price, you will find virtually the same or identical model elsewhere, but slightly different model no. currys and comet were doing it a lot in the 80s so they didn't have to price match but all their advertising said they would.
#6
I had a sniff around, and can see it's only Currys that offer this model. Bit naughty really!

My first washing machine was a bottom of the range Frigidaire WM850 850rpm for £30 more from Comet :) circa 1993 :)! Or was it Currys? Can't remember!

Edited By: louiselouise on Oct 22, 2016 15:05
1 Like #7
louiselouise
I had a sniff around, and can see it's only Currys that offer this model. Bit naughty really!

My first washing machine was a bottom of the range Frigidaire WM850 850rpm for £30 more from Comet :) circa 1993 :)! Or was it Currys? Can't remember!


think comet did fridgidaire. currys was logik. I remember currys did matsui, dixons was saisho they were identical. same company (dixons stores group) same products just different badges, if dixons had a sale, currys wouldn't price match.
#8
The Frigidaire (think they were owned by Philco) was a bit of a disaster actually. I was very young and it was very modestly used - the cement counterweight cracked after a few months' usage (the repair guy said he'd never seen that before) which made it bang like crazy when it tried to spin! They replaced it but I ended up selling it on!
3 Likes #9
ive had a beko washing machine and a beko tumble drier and both lasted around 3 yrs after several problems with both . countless parts replaced.id never have beko again
2 Likes #10
Ive got a very similar beko to this. Purchased it about 4 years ago and its great. Totally reliable, unlike the 2 zanussi machines that preceded it (neither lasted 3 years and both cost more than the beko). I would highly recommend beko washing machines.
3 Likes #11
Don't buy Beko. Cheap and nasty. They have caught fire in the past. Don't buy.
5 Likes #12
hartlyhare
Don't buy Beko. Cheap and nasty. They have caught fire in the past. Don't buy.
Sigh!
3 Likes #13
hartlyhare
Don't buy Beko. Cheap and nasty. They have caught fire in the past. Don't buy.
Well, it's nearly Bonfire Night - kill two birds with the one stone X) !
1 Like #14
Besford
hartlyhare
Don't buy Beko. Cheap and nasty. They have caught fire in the past. Don't buy.
Sigh!
Heard you the first time
banned 1 Like #15
hartlyhare
They have caught fire in the past. Don't buy.

If we went by that rule none of us would have any white goods in our houses.
1 Like #16
Hot! Got a cheapo Beko washer two years ago and have been very impressed.
3 Likes #17
Just remember you get what you pay for. There's a reason this is cheap, because it's rubbish quality. My father repairs domestic appliances for a living, and has done for over 40 years. Trust me, they are rubbish. If you can afford to spend more, buy a Bosch.
1 Like #18
I have this model and there is a real problem with its motor. it uses a induction motor and they fail frequently on this model. The motor costs £140 from parts suppliers. Far better to pay £30 extra and get a model with a traditional motor.
1 Like #19
The washing machine industry has changed a lot since I was a kid - everything has - brands you used to trust now aren't quite what they seem. Can't speak for Beko as I have no experience of them at all - though mum has one (not this model) and has been using it problem-free for a few years.

When I bought my Bosch (around 2 years ago) I was disappointed to read that sealed drums in new machines are now becoming the norm. There's videos on Youtube from some hardy DIYers attempting repairs themselves on such models but it's beyond my ken.

Not sure what the reason is, some environmental requirement I think??
banned 3 Likes #20
louiselouise

Not sure what the reason is, some environmental requirement I think??

Well it's anti environmental and all about the bottom line actually, because you can no longer replace the £36 bearings, you have to replace the £215 drum instead.
5 Likes #21
hartlyhare
Just remember you get what you pay for. There's a reason this is cheap, because it's rubbish quality. My father repairs domestic appliances for a living, and has done for over 40 years. Trust me, they are rubbish. If you can afford to spend more, buy a Bosch.
"...you get what you pay for..." - should be a banned phrase on a deals site!
Oddly enough, BEKO scores are similar to Bosch ones on more objective survey sites!
#22
I got the 1400rpm version of this from curry's for the same price a month or so back. Extra years guarantee when you register it. Seems fine so far. For 180 quid can't grumble. Got big beko fridge freezer for 260 as well, also good.

Edit, although I had the quidco knocked back.

Edited By: Ed Winchester on Oct 22, 2016 23:29
#23
Am currently using a beko wm for four years now, not a single problem looks good and works good, and feels like good qualty, paid around 200 iirc.

I recall reading wm realiablility survey and beko came 2nd, being Bosch, only surprise was bosch came 1st, as everything else German (cars, electronics etc) they come last, but then again Bosch are likley made in China which explains their high rating.

Edited By: benchaud on Oct 23, 2016 02:20: -
1 Like #24
Good price for a good product with large capacity load. Several Beko washing machines in our family and all have been flawless. My daughters is on every day and has been for past four years, and yet to have a problem.
Same with all products, some good some bad. Unless someone has done a detailed research study as part of their PhD degree on them, then it all boils down to price really, well it is for me.
2 Likes #25
hartlyhare
Don't buy Beko. Cheap and nasty. They have caught fire in the past. Don't buy.
There's much more than "they caught fire" - they fail to properly follow-up such incidents: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/aug/08/tumble-drier-model-behind-deadly-fire-had-caused-20-other-blazes , http://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/14565857._Russian_roulette__warning_over_faulty_tumble_dryers_after_three_fires_a_day/ or http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-09-26/which-beko-fridge-freezers-are-at-risk-from-fire-fault/

NO Beko device will ever work in my house. Not because they happen to be faulty, but they're build in the wrong way, assembled in a risky way and not recalled/fixed immediately when problem arises.
#26
benchaud
Am currently using a beko wm for four years now, not a single problem looks good and works good, and feels like good qualty, paid around 200 iirc.

I recall reading wm realiablility survey and beko came 2nd, being Bosch, only surprise was bosch came 1st, as everything else German (cars, electronics etc) they come last, but then again Bosch are likley made in China which explains their high rating.


It's because Bosch (Similar to Siemens) use decent materials, parts and bearings. They invest into their R&D for better and more efficient machines - which is what you pay for. (_;)
#27
hartlyhare
Just remember you get what you pay for. There's a reason this is cheap, because it's rubbish quality. My father repairs domestic appliances for a living, and has done for over 40 years. Trust me, they are rubbish. If you can afford to spend more, buy a Bosch.

I've had a Beko washer and dryer for the past 5 years. Used every other day with a full 8kg load. No problems so far.
You may be under the impression that Bosch is German, but most 'Bosch' and 'Siemens' appliances are now rebadged Hotpoints - the 'H' in 'BSH Group' stands for Hotpoint! Your father might be aware how reliable they are.
#28
Just ordered this for sis - she said yesterday mum had an old machine in her garage (not sure I'd want a stinky, damp machine in my kitchen!) but that seems to have fallen through!

Great to see that I could get it delivered tomorrow (just chose the All Day option which is Free 7am-7pm, booking a time-slot on a designated day costs £19.99).

She has a family and does a lot more washes than lil ole me so hopefully she will be happy!

Edited By: louiselouise on Oct 23, 2016 13:28: a
2 Likes #29
You may be under the impression that Bosch is German, but most 'Bosch' and 'Siemens' appliances are now rebadged Hotpoints - the 'H' in 'BSH Group' stands for Hotpoint! Your father might be aware how reliable they are.
Can't see Hotpoint mentioned anywhere? "BSH Group - Bosch und Siemens Hausgeräte GmbH" http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/BSH

This is quite an old thread (2010) and Hotpoint is discussed https://www.avforums.com/threads/bosch-siemens-neff-made-by-the-same-people-but-how-can-you-tell.1351256/ la gran siete says "Hotpoint are owned by Indesit although some of their appliances have been made by Bosch in the past."

BSH brand names https://www.bsh-group.com/index.php?page=1070

Re recalls and safety warnings - I remember recent issues with Bosch dishwashers (my model wasn't affected) http://www.itv.com/news/2014-05-27/hotpoint-bosch-dishwasher-safety-recall-how-to-check-your-machine/ (the video report says some Hotpoint models were made by Bosch). Wonder if this applies to other appliances?

When you look at http://www.bosch-home.at/ there's a pop-up safety warning about a certain cooker model! Bosch HSV745020/03 "IMPORTANT SAFETY INSTRUCTIONS Possible risk of explosions with gas boilers from the production period 2009 - 2011." (translated from German).

*I have a Bosch dishwasher and washing machine - disappointing but it just goes to show that there are no "good" and "bad" brands safety-wise.

Edited By: louiselouise on Oct 23, 2016 21:46: a
#30
There's another A+++ 8kg machine, 1400rpm this time, but I have no idea who makes these Logik models!* Also £179.99.

UKWhitegoods page: http://www.ukwhitegoods.co.uk/help/about-the-appliance-industry/manufacturer-information/3560-logik-appliances

LOGIK L814WM16 http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/household-appliances/laundry/washing-machines/logik-l814wm16-washing-machine-white-10140689-pdt.html
http://brain-images.cdn.dixons.com/9/8/10140689/u_10140689.jpg

*On another HUKD washing machine thread someone commented Logik machines are made by Haier.

Edited By: louiselouise on Oct 23, 2016 21:43: a
1 Like #31
Not specific to this model but if ordering and a specific time slot doesn't matter much to you then select all day delivery for free. From 10pm the night before they will assign a time slot for you. So although it says 7-7 you don't actually have to wait in all day. I ordered a washing machine recently (different model) and my time slot showed up from approx 8pm the night before.
#32
benf90
Not specific to this model but if ordering and a specific time slot doesn't matter much to you then select all day delivery for free. From 10pm the night before they will assign a time slot for you. So although it says 7-7 you don't actually have to wait in all day. I ordered a washing machine recently (different model) and my time slot showed up from approx 8pm the night before.
Thanks benf90, I'll let sis know. Will keep an eye on the order tracking page around 8pm, which is here https://knowhow.com/order-tracking-start.dhtml?country=uk

Edited By: louiselouise on Oct 23, 2016 14:22
#33
juuulie
ive had a beko washing machine and a beko tumble drier and both lasted around 3 yrs after several problems with both . countless parts replaced.id never have beko again
Kaput is a better make than Beko ;)
1 Like #34
louiselouise


i think whirlpool make them in eastern Europe. it's curry's own brand. on a side note in the late 80s I bought 2 new washing machines, a indesit cheapo for a relative they still have and have never had it repaired. I bought a hotpoint which was a good brand at the time for myself, no end of problems. it broke in the first 3 months of owning it.
on another side note, some people believe the Kenwood are a good buy from curry's but they are just own brand with a Kenwood badge.
1 Like #35
core
hartlyhare
Don't buy Beko. Cheap and nasty. They have caught fire in the past. Don't buy.
There's much more than "they caught fire" - they fail to properly follow-up such incidents: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/aug/08/tumble-drier-model-behind-deadly-fire-had-caused-20-other-blazes , http://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/14565857._Russian_roulette__warning_over_faulty_tumble_dryers_after_three_fires_a_day/ or http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-09-26/which-beko-fridge-freezers-are-at-risk-from-fire-fault/
NO Beko device will ever work in my house. Not because they happen to be faulty, but they're build in the wrong way, assembled in a risky way and not recalled/fixed immediately when problem arises.
Yawn.
#36
Had my Beko washing machine for 6 months now. Quiet efficient and washes well.
#37
Had a Beko washing machine and it packed up after less than 18 months, needing new brushes for the motor (bit early for that really). Fixed that and it then sounded louder than an airplane taking off every time it was on spin, with a burning smell to boot... Got rid and now have a Siemens... faultless for 3 years (still 2 years on the warranty), quiet and efficient.For £180 this Beko is cheap and may be okay but if you want reliable...
#38
Beko = KABOOM!!!!

No buy this please.
#39
trampjuice
I have this model and there is a real problem with its motor. it uses a induction motor and they fail frequently on this model. The motor costs £140 from parts suppliers. Far better to pay £30 extra and get a model with a traditional motor.
You mean inverter motor?
i think EU regulations push for inverters in all apliances, like airconditioning, washing machines and so on
#40
Got a similar Beko for the parents about a year ago, been fine so far but is quite loud and moves a little when on full spin. Have to close the kitchen door cos its so loud. Have a Hotpoint myself and it's so much quieter and seems smoother.

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