Belkin F5Z0103UK N Wireless ADSL2+ Modem Router + With Belkin N Wireless USB Adapter - now £44.99 @ Play.com - HotUKDeals
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Dont forget quidco
This is great value for a N router
Also includes a wireless N adapter as well as the router itself
Seems pretty cheap as its £68.44 @ Amazon and £69.99 @ Argos

Thanks
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You don't get the stand . Also it does not work on all o2 Dslams.
#2
dontasciime
You don't get the stand . Also it does not work on all o2 Dslams.


That's really useful information. Have some rep.

However, I would like some information on why this doesn't work with some O2 DSL LLU.

I have been having problems with a Netgear Modem Router, so I wondered if I could be suffering because it is an O2 connection.

Where can I get some more information?

Thanks for your help in advance.
#4
Same price that I got it about 3-4 months ago. Very good deal. Heat added.
#5


Hi,

I was already aware of the settings. As I have a static IP address, I have set it up to access the internet using the static IP. However, my Netgear DGN3500 has been giving an unusual problem, on power up it does the following:

- Power light is red/orange, then green
- Ethernet light go green or orange depending on Gigabit connection or 100Mbit connection
- Wireless light comes on
- ADSL light is red/orange then after a while it turns green
- The internet connection goes red
- THEN THE ROUTER POWERS OFF AND CYCLES THROUGH THE ABOVE STEPS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, ad infinitum.

I've already changed the router, same problem. Spoke to Netgear and they sort of indirectly suggested I should get another product, hinting this one may have inherent hardware and/or firmware defect. I have downloaded the latest firmware.

In view of all this, I wondered if there was an issue due to it being an O2 connection. I have read all the links above and it doesn't seem to shed any light. I was thinking of a Belkin as an alternative, but will not consider this if I encounter the same problems.

Any help would be appreciated.
#6
http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&q=Netgear+DGN3500+o2+issues&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=615f82516a75afc5

Get netgear to replace it with something that works.

See if any of the other links in google where they mention o2 issues is the same. The belkin when it does not work on o2 goes something like below

plug in set up adsl light orange / flash / orange likd this for anything upto 2 hours = it then might get an ip from dslam adn have teh internet it might not. If it does start to work if there is ever a resync/ retrain etc you have to go through the waiting game again if it even works.

Just make sure you can return whatever you buy to replace your netgear if it turns out your new purchase also does not work. Failing that approach o2 and ask for some decent hardware they might have some. Doubt it what version o2 wirless box they onto now ?
#7
dontasciime
http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&q=Netgear+DGN3500+o2+issues&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=615f82516a75afc5

Get netgear to replace it with something that works.

See if any of the other links in google where they mention o2 issues is the same. The belkin when it does not work on o2 goes something like below

plug in set up adsl light orange / flash / orange likd this for anything upto 2 hours = it then might get an ip from dslam adn have teh internet it might not. If it does start to work if there is ever a resync/ retrain etc you have to go through the waiting game again if it even works.

Just make sure you can return whatever you buy to replace your netgear if it turns out your new purchase also does not work. Failing that approach o2 and ask for some decent hardware they might have some. Doubt it what version o2 wirless box they onto now ?


Hi

It was quite funny how the guy from Netgear tech sort of dropped it into the conversation that I should get one of their models with a lower spec. He implied that there was a fault on this model, but didn't say so explicitly. He didn't even try to fault find on this, just offered to send out a replacement. Since I am still within my 30 days, I think I will just return it to store and wash my hands off the Netgear.

In terms of O2, I have their Wireless Box III (on their pro package), but since I am unable to get more than 5Mbs on the internet connection, I am going to downgrade. This will mean, they will take away their WB III and replace it with a WB II, so I'll lose the 'N' Draft facilities. In any case the WB III WiFi only transmits at 150Mbs, which can be problem in some parts of the house for streaming. On the odd occasion that I got the Netgear working, the 300Mbs WiFi was superb from streaming from my NAS drive.

Ah well, I'll have to keep trying different models until I strike lucky. I think in my case I have been unfortunate with the O2 connection and poor Netgear hardware. Funny really, I used to have a Netgear DG834 and it was superb.
#8
your wb III only does 150 stick it on 40mhz mode only not 20/40 unless of course you mean the wb II is only lite N in hardware.

Not looked at the specs of WB III

Also if you just using WEP you will need to use WPA 2 to get full speeds
#9
dontasciime
your wb III only does 150 stick it on 40mhz mode only not 20/40 unless of course you mean the wb II is only lite N in hardware.

Not looked at the specs of WB III

Also if you just using WEP you will need to use WPA 2 to get full speeds


Hi

It is definitely a WB III 'N' Draft router; I am certain WB II is only a G (+ I think, thus theoretically upto 108Mbs. I don't know anyone who has achieved these speeds on the WBII though). I have set the WiFi security setting with WPA2. The best WiFi speeds I get, when right next to the router is 130Mbs; the average is about 60Mbs; some places in the house it is as bad as 40Mbs.

WB III only uses the 2.4GHz bandwidth, I think the Linksys does 2.4GHz and 5GHz, dual-band (but not simultaneous). I don't know what you mean by 40MHz mode or the 20/40MHz mode.
#10
you need 40mhz mode (in wireless setting) to channel bond to achieve 300mbps (connection rate)
#11
dontasciime
you need 40mhz mode (in wireless setting) to channel bond to achieve 300mbps (connection rate)


Hi

Where can I find this option within the Wireless Settings? I have reproduced below all the configurable options within Wireless Settings. I cannot see any that relates to your suggestion. Any further info would be much appreciated.

[COLOR="DarkRed"]Configuration[/COLOR]

Interface Enabled:

Physical Address:

Network Name (SSID):

Interface Type:

Actual Speed: 65 Mbps

Band: 2.4G Hz

Channel Selection:

Region: Europe

Channel:

Allow multicast from Broadband Network:

[COLOR="DarkRed"]Security[/COLOR]

Broadcast Network Name:

Allow New Devices:

Encryption: Disabled

Use WEP Encryption

Use WPA-PSK Encryption

WPA-PSK Encryption Key:

WPA-PSK Version:
#12
If it were to be anywhere it would be under wireless and security, channel selection. See if you can download a pdf manual for your router and check the specs or ask O2 what is the max "n" will go on that router.. eg where is channel bonding option or ask how can you achieve 300Mbps or can teh router achieve this connection rate)

It looks like the most you will get will be 130mbps which would be your 65mbps*2 (eg picking 2 wireless channels to bond eg 40Mhz). You may have a very old firmware that does not have these options this you would ask o2 for new firmware from either their site or tech department. You can break te router if the firmware procedure is not followeed correctly.
#13
dontasciime
If it were to be anywhere it would be under wireless and security, channel selection. See if you can download a pdf manual for your router and check the specs or ask O2 what is the max "n" will go on that router.. eg where is channel bonding option or ask how can you achieve 300Mbps or can teh router achieve this connection rate)

It looks like the most you will get will be 130mbps which would be your 65mbps*2 (eg picking 2 wireless channels to bond eg 40Mhz). You may have a very old firmware that does not have these options this you would ask o2 for new firmware from either their site or tech department. You can break te router if the firmware procedure is not followeed correctly.



This box is the 'latest', well as latest as O2 offer in any case. The firmware is the latest available. When I asked O2 the question at the beginning (less than three months ago), I was told the 'N' draft spec on their WB III allows for 150Mbs maximum. When I had the Netgear, when it worked, it gave me 270Mbs (this is I think the latest incarnation of 'N' draft or N+ as some call it). You cannot upgrade the 150Mbs (the original 'N' draft 2) cannot be upgraded to 300Mbs by firmware. The uplift of the increased speed is a hardware improvement with a refined 'N' draft spec; much the same way as G was 54Mbs, but G+ was 108Mbs.

Edit:

[COLOR="DarkRed"]From the datasheet:[/COLOR]

The integrated modem supports ADSL, ADSL2, and ADSL2+. With a simultaneous operation of 802.11b, 802.11g and 802.11n draft 2.0, speed, security and performance is guaranteed. When using 802.11n components, you can transfer data at up to 150Mb/s (three times the speed of older 802.11g wireless networks), and still connect to existing 802.11b/g products.

That would seem to indicate that the O2 WB III is only 'N' and NOT N+ or N1, thus the bandwidth is fixed at 20Mhz, not switch-able (manual or auto) between 20MHz and 40Mhz, as the hardware does not support this.
#14
n lite(as lots of places are calling it) is 150mbps

Anyways seems like the WB3 is forced into compatibility mode N. (eg mixed mode)

Backward compatibility
When 802.11g was released to share the band with existing 802.11b devices, it provided ways of ensuring coexistence between legacy, and successor devices. 802.11n extends the coexistence management to protect its transmissions from legacy devices, which include 802.11g, 802.11b and 802.11a. There are MAC and PHY level protection mechanisms as listed below:

PHY level protection: Mixed Mode Format protection (also known as L-SIG TXOP Protection): In mixed mode, each 802.11n transmission is always embedded in an 802.11a or 802.11g transmission. For 20 MHz transmissions, this embedding takes care of the protection with 802.11a and 802.11g. However, 802.11b devices still need CTS protection.
PHY level protection: Transmissions using a 40 MHz channel in the presence of 802.11a or 802.11g clients require using CTS protection on both 20 MHz halves of the 40 MHz channel, to prevent interference with legacy devices.
PHY level protection: An RTS/CTS frame exchange or CTS frame transmission at legacy rates can be used to protect subsequent 11n transmission.
Even with protection, large discrepancies can exist between the throughput an 802.11n device can achieve in a greenfield network, compared to a mixed-mode network, when legacy devices are present. This is an extension of the 802.11b/802.11g coexistence problem.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11n-2009
#15
Does anyone know if the 4 ethernet ports are gigabit or 10/100?

Thanks
#16
^ 10/100
#17
dammit want one with gigabit ports :cry:

Thanks anyway

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