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Bell paradox cycling helmet £11.99 @ Decathlon (free C&C to local Asda or decathlon store) half price

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I'm always amazed how many people dont wear a helmet when cycling, even though £12 can save you from at best an instant death at worst serious brain damage .. Half price helmet and decathlon now of… Read More
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I'm always amazed how many people dont wear a helmet when cycling, even though £12 can save you from at best an instant death at worst serious brain damage ..

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I was knocked off my bike 7 years ago . fortunately i was wearing a helmet which took the full brunt of me landing on my head . The cycle helmet split in 2 . i would never consider cycling with out one.
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My theory is that those who argue against safety headwear have already taken a few solid blows to the head.
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Sorry but these helmet debates make me laugh. I had a car drive into the back of my bike and knock me about ten feet forward, the bike flipped and I bounced along the floor around another six feet hitting my head all the time. Then a bus drove over the top of me, but that's neither here nor there.

The thing was I was wearing a good bike helmet. My head wasn't damaged. So I put that down to the helmet and nothing else.

Funnily enough I was lit up like a Xmas tree, two lights front and back, one steady one flashing. Hi viz jacket, white helmet, etc. And passing a lit up bus. The driver that hit me claimed all sorts including my lights were off and he just didn't see me. And the police accepted that.

My advice is, get a helmet. Put the odds in your favour. :)
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no evidence that helmets help much

they probably cause more accidents by restricting vision & people fiddling with them ie lifting one hand off the steering wheel
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luvsadealdealdeal
no evidence that helmets help much

they probably cause more accidents by restricting vision & people fiddling with them ie lifting one hand off the steering wheel


Your bicycle has a steering wheel? I think that's a car you're in control of at that point :D

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9 Likes #1
no evidence that helmets help much

they probably cause more accidents by restricting vision & people fiddling with them ie lifting one hand off the steering wheel
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I thought wearing a helmet out can cause blindness not brain damage! (sorry)
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them damn steering wheels need two hands at all times, don't be fiddling with your helmet
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99rb
I thought wearing a helmet out can cause blindness not brain damage! (sorry)
That took a while to register :p, I hear primani have got a good offer on pearl necklaces
#5
ta so be checking them out feel the need to wear 1 now roads are so uneven HNY
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tryer
ta so be checking them out feel the need to wear 1 now roads are so uneven HNY


the latest research shows there will be 73% more potholes after Brexit!
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"I'm always amazed how many people dont wear a helmet when cycling, even though £12 can save you from at best an instant death at worst serious brain damage"

You would be also 'amazed' at the lack of evidence supporting your assertion.
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it's the riders choice, it seems to be the local chavs who ride without helmets round my way, hopefully improve the gene pool , the end of the day if you crash and hit your head on something I personally would prefer to have a helmet on than not , and imho parents should provide young children with helmets (kids skull are soft)

Just remember any compo payment for injury will ask was a helmet worn, and the payout will be significantly lower if no helmet was worn.
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whatyadoinsucka
it's the riders choice, it seems to be the local chavs who ride without helmets round my way, hopefully improve the gene pool , the end of the day if you crash and hit your head on something I personally would prefer to have a helmet on than not , and imho parents should provide young children with helmets (kids skull are soft)

Just remember any compo payment for injury will ask was a helmet worn, and the payout will be significantly lower if no helmet was worn.


Not necessarily true. If the Claimant seeks legal advice and instructs an expert that can demonstrate that the helmet would not have made a material difference in this particular case compensation may not be affected.
Helmets unfortunately can never protect the brain from high speed impact injury. Physics and anatomy see to that. They were only designed to reduce superficial head injury in low speed events.
So best to wear them if you wish to reduce risk of cranio facial scarring or potential secondary brain injury after skull fracture e.g extra dural haematoma.
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123kasabian
"I'm always amazed how many people dont wear a helmet when cycling, even though £12 can save you from at best an instant death at worst serious brain damage"You would be also 'amazed' at the lack of evidence supporting your assertion.
While helmet only protects a small part of your body it does so reasonably well. There may not be evidence that it makes a difference in serious traffic collisions. That's because in such cases it probably doesn't. Protecting your head while sustaining major neck injury is unlikely to save your life in such case. But in minor collisions and support related accidents helmets make a big difference. These sort of accidents don't make it into the statistics.
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robatt
whatyadoinsucka
it's the riders choice, it seems to be the local chavs who ride without helmets round my way, hopefully improve the gene pool , the end of the day if you crash and hit your head on something I personally would prefer to have a helmet on than not , and imho parents should provide young children with helmets (kids skull are soft)
Just remember any compo payment for injury will ask was a helmet worn, and the payout will be significantly lower if no helmet was worn.
Not necessarily true. If the Claimant seeks legal advice and instructs an expert that can demonstrate that the helmet would not have made a material difference in this particular case compensation may not be affected.
Helmets unfortunately can never protect the brain from high speed impact injury. Physics and anatomy see to that. They were only designed to reduce superficial head injury in low speed events.
So best to wear them if you wish to reduce risk of cranio facial scarring or potential secondary brain injury after skull fracture e.g extra dural haematoma.
Agree with a broken arm but a Head injury no helmet can reduce a comp payment by upto 80%
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I would like it to be compulsory for people under 16, to have to wear a helmet on a bicycle.
Some of the comments above are verging on the idiotic.
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I was knocked off my bike 7 years ago . fortunately i was wearing a helmet which took the full brunt of me landing on my head . The cycle helmet split in 2 . i would never consider cycling with out one.
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luvsadealdealdeal
no evidence that helmets help much

they probably cause more accidents by restricting vision & people fiddling with them ie lifting one hand off the steering wheel


Your bicycle has a steering wheel? I think that's a car you're in control of at that point :D
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whatyadoinsucka
robatt
whatyadoinsucka
it's the riders choice, it seems to be the local chavs who ride without helmets round my way, hopefully improve the gene pool , the end of the day if you crash and hit your head on something I personally would prefer to have a helmet on than not , and imho parents should provide young children with helmets (kids skull are soft)
Just remember any compo payment for injury will ask was a helmet worn, and the payout will be significantly lower if no helmet was worn.
Not necessarily true. If the Claimant seeks legal advice and instructs an expert that can demonstrate that the helmet would not have made a material difference in this particular case compensation may not be affected.
Helmets unfortunately can never protect the brain from high speed impact injury. Physics and anatomy see to that. They were only designed to reduce superficial head injury in low speed events.
So best to wear them if you wish to reduce risk of cranio facial scarring or potential secondary brain injury after skull fracture e.g extra dural haematoma.
Agree with a broken arm but a Head injury no helmet can reduce a comp payment by upto 80%


Does this happen? It's not compulsory to wear a helmet so why would not wearing one affect the compensation? If I'm not wearing elbow pads and I'm involved in an accident that fractures my elbow, will any compensation be reduced? Similarly, if I sustain a head injury while driving and am not wearing a helmet should I expect less compensation? It doesn't sound right although insurance companies will try anything!
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theblackbuck

Does this happen? It's not compulsory to wear a helmet so why would not wearing one affect the compensation? If I'm not wearing elbow pads and I'm involved in an accident that fractures my elbow, will any compensation be reduced? Similarly, if I sustain a head injury while driving and am not wearing a helmet should I expect less compensation? It doesn't sound right although insurance companies will try anything!

For the cost of a few overpriced coffees on a cyclists commute, is it worth risking your head and the devious nature of the insurance companies in compensation terms?

Edited By: gabesdad on Jan 01, 2017 18:35
#17
I'm talking serious injuries cases were a full time carer maybe required etc.
In these cases yes, wearing a helmet or not will have a big bearing on compensation calculations.

Cricketers are not required to wear boxes but it's the chance you take..
Remember stupid people don't always realise they are stupid

Imho under 16 compulsory, and for adults on the spot fines for those who choose not to wear helmets, as they says it's their own choice. Make a financial penalty.



Edited By: whatyadoinsucka on Jan 01, 2017 18:44
#18
bobhope
I was knocked off my bike 7 years ago . fortunately i was wearing a helmet which took the full brunt of me landing on my head . The cycle helmet split in 2 . i would never consider cycling with out one.

My friend had a nasty accident involving "blind" driver and was later told by a doctor at A&E that if she wore a helmet at the time, her injuries would have been much worse. Although on personal level it hurts, bear in mind that these events are very rare and cycling is statistically extremely safe and healthy activity.
#19
whatyadoinsucka
I'm talking serious injuries cases were a full time carer maybe required etc.
In these cases yes, wearing a helmet or not will have a big bearing on compensation calculations.

I don't buy it. Do the same calculations affect drivers?
#20
The tricky thing with helmets is that they clearly help to protect your head if you have an accident, for example if you fall off your bike. In the Tour de France, nobody would dare riding without one.

However, in traffic, the effect is much less clear. It seems that both the cyclist and motorists compensate by taking higher risks. So I guess the conclusion is that you should wear a helmet, but that is not an excuse to play Mr Invincible.

PS: Good deal, but the checkout process at Decathlon can only be described as painful. Why would they need my DoB anyway?

Edited By: MrPuddington on Jan 01, 2017 19:18: PS
10 Likes #21
Sorry but these helmet debates make me laugh. I had a car drive into the back of my bike and knock me about ten feet forward, the bike flipped and I bounced along the floor around another six feet hitting my head all the time. Then a bus drove over the top of me, but that's neither here nor there.

The thing was I was wearing a good bike helmet. My head wasn't damaged. So I put that down to the helmet and nothing else.

Funnily enough I was lit up like a Xmas tree, two lights front and back, one steady one flashing. Hi viz jacket, white helmet, etc. And passing a lit up bus. The driver that hit me claimed all sorts including my lights were off and he just didn't see me. And the police accepted that.

My advice is, get a helmet. Put the odds in your favour. :)
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bladteth
whatyadoinsucka
I'm talking serious injuries cases were a full time carer maybe required etc.
In these cases yes, wearing a helmet or not will have a big bearing on compensation calculations.
I don't buy it. Do the same calculations affect drivers?
Drivers don't wear helmets
#23
whatyadoinsucka
bladteth
whatyadoinsucka
I'm talking serious injuries cases were a full time carer maybe required etc.
In these cases yes, wearing a helmet or not will have a big bearing on compensation calculations.
I don't buy it. Do the same calculations affect drivers?
Drivers don't wear helmets

Cyclists don't wear helmets. What kind of argument is that? What is the probablity of head injury for a average driver as compared to a cyclist, per hour spent in the traffic?
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bladteth
whatyadoinsucka
bladteth
whatyadoinsucka
I'm talking serious injuries cases were a full time carer maybe required etc.
In these cases yes, wearing a helmet or not will have a big bearing on compensation calculations.
I don't buy it. Do the same calculations affect drivers?
Drivers don't wear helmets
Cyclists don't wear helmets. What kind of argument is that? What is the probablity of head injury for a average driver as compared to a cyclist, per hour spent in the traffic?
Car drivers have airbags, and a metal cages around them.
cyclists are vulnerable whether cautious or not, brake too hard on a wet road or pushed sideways into a pothole/metal grate, taken out by a car coming out of a side road, and eventually you will fall off / get knocked off.
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whatyadoinsucka
bladteth
whatyadoinsucka
bladteth
whatyadoinsucka
I'm talking serious injuries cases were a full time carer maybe required etc.
In these cases yes, wearing a helmet or not will have a big bearing on compensation calculations.
I don't buy it. Do the same calculations affect drivers?
Drivers don't wear helmets
Cyclists don't wear helmets. What kind of argument is that? What is the probablity of head injury for a average driver as compared to a cyclist, per hour spent in the traffic?
Car drivers have airbags, and a metal cages around them.
cyclists are vulnerable whether cautious or not, brake too hard on a wet road or pushed sideways into a pothole/metal grate, taken out by a car coming out of a side road, and eventually you will fall off / get knocked off.

So, what's the probability? If insurance company refuses/reduces compensation because cyclist should have done better at protecting themselves and worn a helmet, then the same logic could be applied to drivers, pedestrians and other road users. Helmets are not compulsory in this country, so unless it is clearly mentioned in the policy and agreed by policy holder, I don't see how insurance company could get away with this kind of targeted boll%#s.

Please, do me a favour and stop scaremongering. Cycling is very safe activity. Health benefits outweigh risks by a huge margin. There is much more to road safety than a few millimetres of styrofoam.

Edited By: bladteth on Jan 01, 2017 20:22
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My theory is that those who argue against safety headwear have already taken a few solid blows to the head.
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bladteth
whatyadoinsucka
bladteth
whatyadoinsucka
bladteth
whatyadoinsucka
I'm talking serious injuries cases were a full time carer maybe required etc.
In these cases yes, wearing a helmet or not will have a big bearing on compensation calculations.
I don't buy it. Do the same calculations affect drivers?
Drivers don't wear helmets
Cyclists don't wear helmets. What kind of argument is that? What is the probablity of head injury for a average driver as compared to a cyclist, per hour spent in the traffic?
Car drivers have airbags, and a metal cages around them.
cyclists are vulnerable whether cautious or not, brake too hard on a wet road or pushed sideways into a pothole/metal grate, taken out by a car coming out of a side road, and eventually you will fall off / get knocked off.
So, what's the probability? If insurance company refuses/reduces compensation because cyclist should have done better at protecting themselves and worn a helmet, then the same logic could be applied to drivers, pedestrians and other road users. Helmets are not compulsory in this country, so unless it is clearly mentioned in the policy and agreed by policy holder, I don't see how insurance company could get away with this kind of targeted boll%#s.
Please, do me a favour and stop scaremongering. Cycling is very safe activity. Health benefits outweigh risks by a huge margin. There is much more to road safety than a few millimetres of styrofoam.
Do you ride a bike?
This week I have had dogs run out on me, skidded in mud, skidded 90 degrees on a greasy wet tarmac, Icy ground, ducked low branches, dropped off foot high steps, ridden over rubble, gone around corners with lose gravel, been over taken by far too many cars and big lorries who do not understand the highway codes advisory giving a cars width when overtaking horse and cycles, Had cars pull out on me. Had cars overtake me to then turn left..
I am not scaremongering. Cycling can be a risky activity and for that reason I choose to wear a helmet,
i really can't understand the reason why people don't want to wear a helmet, it's the same with car drivers refusing to wear seat belts, as with your story about a cyclist being told they'd have died with a helmet, a guy I knew from school got **** drove his car into a tree, doctor told him if he had a seat belt on he'd be dead. Is that a reason not to wear a seatbelt ?



Edited By: whatyadoinsucka on Jan 01, 2017 21:02: Spelling
#28
There is evidence to suggest that by wearing a helmet you increase the damage you obtain.

From a personal perspective I wear a helmet and think its dangerous not too. I had a high speed crash and went over the bars, doing a sort of forward roll after landing on my head. Split the helmet completely in 2 and actually bending my frame beyond repair. My head had no inkrueis unlike the rash that my arms, legs and shoulders suffered.
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Yep theirs evidence out their that car drivers give cyclist more room if they have no helmet on,
This debate will always get trolls arguing not to wear one, as my reasons above, I've had many chances of slipping and cracking my head, concussion this week.
Definitely prefer a cheap £12 helmet to take the hit than my head anyway, at one mile an hour or 30
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whatyadoinsucka
bladteth
whatyadoinsucka
bladteth
whatyadoinsucka
bladteth
whatyadoinsucka
I'm talking serious injuries cases were a full time carer maybe required etc.
In these cases yes, wearing a helmet or not will have a big bearing on compensation calculations.
I don't buy it. Do the same calculations affect drivers?
Drivers don't wear helmets
Cyclists don't wear helmets. What kind of argument is that? What is the probablity of head injury for a average driver as compared to a cyclist, per hour spent in the traffic?
Car drivers have airbags, and a metal cages around them.
cyclists are vulnerable whether cautious or not, brake too hard on a wet road or pushed sideways into a pothole/metal grate, taken out by a car coming out of a side road, and eventually you will fall off / get knocked off.
So, what's the probability? If insurance company refuses/reduces compensation because cyclist should have done better at protecting themselves and worn a helmet, then the same logic could be applied to drivers, pedestrians and other road users. Helmets are not compulsory in this country, so unless it is clearly mentioned in the policy and agreed by policy holder, I don't see how insurance company could get away with this kind of targeted boll%#s.
Please, do me a favour and stop scaremongering. Cycling is very safe activity. Health benefits outweigh risks by a huge margin. There is much more to road safety than a few millimetres of styrofoam.
Do you ride a bike?
This week I have had dogs run out on me, skidded in mud, skidded 90 degrees on a greasy wet tarmac, Icy ground, ducked low branches, dropped off foot high steps, ridden over rubble, gone around corners with lose gravel, been over taken by far too many cars and big lorries who do not understand the highway codes advisory giving a cars width when overtaking horse and cycles, Had cars pull out on me. Had cars overtake me to then turn left..
I am not scaremongering. Cycling can be a risky activity.

Risk is a part of life. Some activities are safer than others. I'm not sure what kind of riding you do, but I spent about 200 - 300 hours a year cycling in a major city and rarely experience what you describe (apart from mountain biking, but it's a totally different kettle of fish). In most accidents cyclists injure parts of the body not covered by helmet: arms, legs (and also face!) I don't wear helmet in the city, because statistically the risks are extremely low as long as you ride defensively. Helmet may save your head in case of an accident, but will not prevent the accident from happening (and some studies show that helmet might in fact increase the risk of having one - check risk compensation). Stay safe in 2017!
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whatyadoinsucka
Yep theirs evidence out their that car drivers give cyclist more room if they have no helmet on,
This debate will always get trolls arguing not to wear one, as my reasons above, I've had many chances of slipping and cracking my head, concussion this week.
Definitely prefer a cheap £12 helmet to take the hit than my head anyway, at one mile an hour or 30

Perfect example of (subconscious) risk compensation. Perhaps you should check bicycle helmet standards and what they are designed to do. It is guaranteed to save you if you fall off your bike while stationary, from about 2 metres. That's all. What do you expect of 250 grams of styrofoam? And while you had your head almost cracked, millions of other cyclists were happily riding with no issues.
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I suppose the "no helmet" guys have similar arguments for not wearing helmets riding motorbikes?
I've hit the tarmac riding both cycle and motorbike and the helmet did it's job on all 4 occasions. That's enough evidence for me.
#33
Yep I ride a lot of moorland, steep tech trails, Woodland, but also xc farm tracks canal towpaths, greenways etc. Mainly mountain bike but
I'm planning to commute this year once or twice a week , I see daily how even defensive riders are at risk of idiot drivers and agressive riders who pose even a greater risk to themselves, West Yorkshire is full of very busy roads that have not had any major redesigns since they were first created hundreds of years ago. Not Wearing a helmet is not an option for me, I ride out on the road for an hour at lunch time when I'm at home I am forever being overtaken on narrow roads and having vehicles move by within a few feet, last year in 4K Kms I have been cut up by taxis pulling over in front of me or turning left in my path, I ride defensively and I like to make eye contact with drivers to ensure they see me.

Doesn't look like our polar opposite views are going to change, as you say ride safe.
Ps. I've never understood downhill bikers not wearing gloves , as you say hands are the first thing to touch the floor
#34
zulfib
I suppose the "no helmet" guys have similar arguments for not wearing helmets riding motorbikes?
I've hit the tarmac riding both cycle and motorbike and the helmet did it's job on all 4 occasions. That's enough evidence for me.

Lots of folks banged their heads while showering. In fact, the probability is quite high, if not higher than cycling. Is that enough evidence to convince you to wear helmet when having a shower?
1 Like #35
http://www.cyclistsdefencefund.org.uk/cycle-helmets-and-contributory-negligence/recent-cases

A bit of a lengthy linked article but in essences judges in this country have to consider if not wearing a helmet contributed to the injuries, they would not automatically make a deduction for compensation based on not wearing a helmet if one would not have made a difference to the injury. For example, if your leg got crushed by a car and had to be amputated, clearly a helmet would never have prevented that, and therefore it would not be logical to reduce your compensation for that injury. However, running a case to a trial is very expensive for solicitors, who have to bear the cost of a case themselves in a 'no win no fee' agreement with a claimant. To exploit claimant solicitors' reluctance to go to trial, insurers will try low-ball offers and making deductions on the basis of not wearing a helmet, even if it cannot be conclusively proven that wearing one would have helped.
#36
whatyadoinsucka
Yep theirs evidence out their that car drivers give cyclist more room if they have no helmet on,
This debate will always get trolls arguing not to wear one, as my reasons above, I've had many chances of slipping and cracking my head, concussion this week.
Definitely prefer a cheap £12 helmet to take the hit than my head anyway, at one mile an hour or 30


45mph on 23Cs is hairy :D
1 Like #37
Interesting comment that not wearing a helmet leads to cars giving cyclists more room. I've a better solution: buy a cheap action camera from ebay / amazon (£15ish) and mount it on your vented helmet, preferably pointing backwards. Yes, you look like a bit of a pillock, but as I'm already an overweight 45 yr old man dressed in lycra, it's no big deal. What is amazing is how much extra room you are afforded when drivers realise they are being filmed. I've also got a camera on the handlebars facing forward too. And yes, there are arguments that the camera or mounts could do some damage but the cheap ones don't have particularly strong mounts and they will break off way before they can penetrate your skull. And if there is an accident, you've got some photographic evidence to back yourself up.
1 Like #38
dicknewlove
Interesting comment that not wearing a helmet leads to cars giving cyclists more room. I've a better solution: buy a cheap action camera from ebay / amazon (£15ish) and mount it on your vented helmet, preferably pointing backwards. Yes, you look like a bit of a pillock, but as I'm already an overweight 45 yr old man dressed in lycra, it's no big deal. What is amazing is how much extra room you are afforded when drivers realise they are being filmed. I've also got a camera on the handlebars facing forward too. And yes, there are arguments that the camera or mounts could do some damage but the cheap ones don't have particularly strong mounts and they will break off way before they can penetrate your skull. And if there is an accident, you've got some photographic evidence to back yourself up.


Statistically you're more likely to be involved in an incident when not wearing one but we can only speculate as to why that is but it's probably due to motorists giving cyclists more room I suppose 8)
#39
MrPuddington
The tricky thing with helmets is that they clearly help to protect your head if you have an accident, for example if you fall off your bike. In the Tour de France, nobody would dare riding without one.
However, in traffic, the effect is much less clear. It seems that both the cyclist and motorists compensate by taking higher risks. So I guess the conclusion is that you should wear a helmet, but that is not an excuse to play Mr Invincible.
PS: Good deal, but the checkout process at Decathlon can only be described as painful. Why would they need my DoB anyway?
In the TDF, they have no choice. It's compulsory in UCI cycling events. Had been so for about 25 years.

Edited By: rogan8 on Jan 02, 2017 19:19
1 Like #40
Cold, solely due to the patronising "I'm always amazed how many people dont wear a helmet when cycling" deal introduction.
It's personal choice, you're probably "amazed" when you see a pedestrian at night not wearing high viz too?

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