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#1
I just got 3 from Amazon £3-22p for 3 delivered in 3 days.
#2
whatsThePoint
Looks like the bubble has burst on HDMI leads having to be expensive, everyday you get somewhere new on here selling them for around this price


Tell me about it. Im just a little gutted bacuase i bought this exact same lead from Morrisons last week for £4.99 (which i thought was a bargain) to only take home, open it, try to plug it into my xbox, only to realise, its the older version without the HDMI port :oops:
#3
whatsThePoint
Looks like the bubble has burst on HDMI leads having to be expensive, everyday you get somewhere new on here selling them for around this price


There will still be mugs around who like to tell everyone that they see that they paid a small fortune for a lead.
#4
2 Likes #6
Ok... here we go... and wait for the deluge of abuse... I've compared a number of hdmi leads on my Pioneer Kuro 5090 (no ol' rubbish - regarded as just about the best panel you can get) and I can categorically state that hdmi leads are not all the same: you get what you pay for. I've A/B'd cheap ones for £1 and decent ones of different makes, and I reckon that if you buy a QED (you can get one discounted for around £25-30, and some AV mags even give them away with subscriptions) you'll get a better picture than with something costing £1. In my experience, the hdmi lead SKY supply with their HD box is nfg, yet the one that was supplied with the 360 isn't bad, but not great. If you have SKY HD, you'll definitely get a sharper pic and brighter colours with a better lead. I've tested it myself extensively with a number of leads on SKY HD, HD-DVDs on a Toshiba XE1, DVDs on a Denon 1940, Blu Rays and games on a PS3, and a 360 - through an Onkyo 606 amp. There's no point spending hundreds/thousands on AV gear and not using decent connectors, or your system will be reduced to the quality of its weakest link. The accepted wisdom on HDUK seems to be that all hdmi cables are the same 'cos they're digital; take it from me - they're not.
There... I've gone and done it, 'cos I'm fed up with reading a lot of misinformation about hdmi leads on here. Hope this helps any interested parties.
1 Like #7
Slim Hamster
Ok... here we go... and wait for the deluge of abuse... I've compared a number of hdmi leads on my Pioneer Kuro 5090 (no ol' rubbish - regarded as just about the best panel you can get) and I can categorically state that hdmi leads are not all the same: you get what you pay for. I've A/B'd cheap ones for £1 and decent ones of different makes, and I reckon that if you buy a QED (you can get one discounted for around £25-30, and some AV mags even give them away with subscriptions) you'll get a better picture than with something costing £1. In my experience, the hdmi lead SKY supply with their HD box is nfg, yet the one that was supplied with the 360 isn't bad, but not great. If you have SKY HD, you'll definitely get a sharper pic and brighter colours with a better lead. I've tested it myself extensively with a number of leads on SKY HD, HD-DVDs on a Toshiba XE1, DVDs on a Denon 1940, Blu Rays and games on a PS3, and a 360 - through an Onkyo 606 amp. There's no point spending hundreds/thousands on AV gear and not using decent connectors, or your system will be reduced to the quality of its weakest link. The accepted wisdom on HDUK seems to be that all hdmi cables are the same 'cos they're digital; take it from me - they're not.
There... I've gone and done it, 'cos I'm fed up with reading a lot of misinformation about hdmi leads on here. Hope this helps any interested parties.


you are correct sir, i had hdmi lead that cost £9.99 but then upgraded to a £40 hdmi, its night and day for me, but i am picky, mind you i spent £500+ just on my speaker cable, no way i spend £2000+ on my screen to have less than 100% results. :thumbsup:
#8
Slim Hamster
you'll definitely get a sharper pic and brighter colours with a better lead. I've tested it myself extensively with a number of leads on SKY HD, HD-DVDs on a Toshiba XE1, DVDs on a Denon 1940, Blu Rays and games on a PS3, and a 360 - through an Onkyo 606 amp.



lol...

sharper pic?? brighter colours??

it is digital,

Thats like downloading a jpg image from the internet, and because you have a more expensive ethernet cable, you get a better jpg image!
it will either download perfectly, or be corrupted.

So you are telling me the cheap cables are filtering out your colours? and somehow altering the digitally ENCRYPTED!! data, and then cryptographically resigning it, before sending it to your device???

However, saying that all HDMI are NOT the same, there are different certification/version numbers that the cables 'officially' support, this usually just certifies that the cable has the ability to transfer the data fast enough for the quoted specification over the distance of the cable, a cable that fails transfering data fast enough will not give you a poorer picture though! you will get no picture at all, or missing pixels, also known as sparklies..

well you carry on in your hazy bubble if digital ignorance..:whistling:
#9
Slim Hamster
Ok... here we go... and wait for the deluge of abuse... I've compared a number of hdmi leads on my Pioneer Kuro 5090 (no ol' rubbish - regarded as just about the best panel you can get) and I can categorically state that hdmi leads are not all the same: you get what you pay for. I've A/B'd cheap ones for £1 and decent ones of different makes, and I reckon that if you buy a QED (you can get one discounted for around £25-30, and some AV mags even give them away with subscriptions) you'll get a better picture than with something costing £1. In my experience, the hdmi lead SKY supply with their HD box is nfg, yet the one that was supplied with the 360 isn't bad, but not great. If you have SKY HD, you'll definitely get a sharper pic and brighter colours with a better lead. I've tested it myself extensively with a number of leads on SKY HD, HD-DVDs on a Toshiba XE1, DVDs on a Denon 1940, Blu Rays and games on a PS3, and a 360 - through an Onkyo 606 amp. There's no point spending hundreds/thousands on AV gear and not using decent connectors, or your system will be reduced to the quality of its weakest link. The accepted wisdom on HDUK seems to be that all hdmi cables are the same 'cos they're digital; take it from me - they're not.
There... I've gone and done it, 'cos I'm fed up with reading a lot of misinformation about hdmi leads on here. Hope this helps any interested parties.


Daytrader
you are correct sir, i had hdmi lead that cost £9.99 but then upgraded to a £40 hdmi, its night and day for me, but i am picky, mind you i spent £500+ just on my speaker cable, no way i spend £2000+ on my screen to have less than 100% results. :thumbsup:


A fool and his money............................
#10
Slim Hamster

There... I've gone and done it, 'cos I'm fed up with reading a lot of misinformation about hdmi leads on here. Hope this helps any interested parties.

You're the one providing misinformation you tool. Go and educate yourself on the concept of digital and binary, then come back.

Daytrader
you are correct sir, i had hdmi lead that cost £9.99 but then upgraded to a £40 hdmi, its night and day for me, but i am picky, mind you i spent £500+ just on my speaker cable, no way i spend £2000+ on my screen to have less than 100% results. :thumbsup:

Another idiot with more money than sense.

Maybe the expensive audio cable is worth it if it is an analogue system, but for digital you do NOT get better results. It's just not possible. Digital...0 and 1...yes and no...on or off....there are no varying degrees of quality. :roll:
#11
dean_brfc
You're the one providing misinformation you tool. Go and educate yourself on the concept of digital and binary, then come back.


Another idiot with more money than sense.

Maybe the expensive audio cable is worth it if it is an analogue system, but for digital you do NOT get better results. It's just not possible. Digital...0 and 1...yes and no...on or off....there are no varying degrees of quality. :roll:


I would give up, hes probably gone out to buy an expensive "Digital TV Aerial" ready to get better pictures when the switch over happens, lol
1 Like #12
The best analogy I've read so far is a better USB cable connecting your PC and your printer does not improve the quality of the print out. It is the same principle at work with HDMI.
#13
belovedmonster
The best analogy I've read so far is a better USB cable connecting your PC and your printer does not improve the quality of the print out. It is the same principle at work with HDMI.

That is a very good analogy, I'll remember that.

I can understand why the confusion is there because cable quality played a huge part in sending analogue signals...it just annoys me people give out the wrong information on here, because it could lead to someone paying 10x the amount they should be...which completely goes against what this place is about.
#14
Go on. have a read of this, does it remind you of the Emperors clothes? http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/03/audiophiles-cant-tell-the-difference-between-monster-cable-and

Sorry I don't know how to shorten a link
#15
have ordered 1 thanks.hot deal for me
#16
Probably a wind up. HDMI lead deals are my favourite, I read through them all, same old debate, great fun.
#17
If you're going to say a £1 cable makes a difference to a £100 cable, just mention that you keep your equipment so far away from each other, the quality of the components in the cable, may make a difference to signal and hence picture quality in that case.

Otherwise, it's not feasible to notice a significant difference for equipment in close proximity of each other
#18
Tonybeau
Go on. have a read of this, does it remind you of the Emperors clothes? http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/03/audiophiles-cant-tell-the-difference-between-monster-cable-and

Sorry I don't know how to shorten a link


http://tr.im/

take a look at the link :-D
#19
A question about HDMI to those who beleive there is no difference between a high quality ofc cable and a few bits of bell wire. (well, if digital is digital - surely even that would work)
How would you know if your cable was of causing data errors? The odd bit received in error may be recovered by basic error correction but what would happen if there were enough errors to be unrecoverable? Im assuming the display would do its best with the signal rather than stopping to process it. That being the case - you would surely get occasional interference and loss of detail but which in low levels may not be n
noticable. Surely this would explain the perceived improvement in picture quality/sound.
Im sure you have all had a cd at some point which was scratched and maybe jumped. Again, a digital medium but one which can provide an imperfect reproduction. Given the nature of encoding, it would be less obvious in video.
Also, anyone who has ever used ethernet cables will know that occasionally you get a cable which can be a little unreliable. Again, this is a digital signal.

Just my ten pence worth. For those of you who want to buy a £1 cable, the supply is there. For us who prefer to pay more to get a cable we can beleive in, let us do so and stop preaching. I have seen deals on mid range hdmi cables slated on here because they cost more that one from poundland. To me a well known branded and highly reviewed cable costing £30 cable reduced to £10 is a hot deal.
#20
cynikill
. For us who prefer to pay more to get a cable we can beleive in, let us do so and stop preaching.


Fine. Just don't come here with all that nonsense you wrote above and mislead people. You demonstrated you have no knowledge of how digital works, so how you can you try and get technical about it?

In all your rubbish analogies the HDMI equivalent would be dead pixels or jumping sound. It is not an analogue signal, you don't get a loss of detail or anything like that.

If you wish to spend more money without being told you're wrong, then don't make stupid posts like that.
#21
dean_brfc
Fine. Just don't come here with all that nonsense you wrote above and mislead people. You demonstrated you have no knowledge of how digital works, so how you can you try and get technical about it?

In all your rubbish analogies the HDMI equivalent would be dead pixels or jumping sound. It is not an analogue signal, you don't get a loss of detail or anything like that.

If you wish to spend more money without being told you're wrong, then don't make stupid posts like that.


+1
1 Like #22
cynikill
A question about HDMI to those who beleive there is no difference between a high quality ofc cable and a few bits of bell wire. (well, if digital is digital - surely even that would work)
How would you know if your cable was of causing data errors? The odd bit received in error may be recovered by basic error correction but what would happen if there were enough errors to be unrecoverable? Im assuming the display would do its best with the signal rather than stopping to process it. That being the case - you would surely get occasional interference and loss of detail but which in low levels may not be n
noticable. Surely this would explain the perceived improvement in picture quality/sound.
Im sure you have all had a cd at some point which was scratched and maybe jumped. Again, a digital medium but one which can provide an imperfect reproduction. Given the nature of encoding, it would be less obvious in video.
Also, anyone who has ever used ethernet cables will know that occasionally you get a cable which can be a little unreliable. Again, this is a digital signal.

Just my ten pence worth. For those of you who want to buy a £1 cable, the supply is there. For us who prefer to pay more to get a cable we can beleive in, let us do so and stop preaching. I have seen deals on mid range hdmi cables slated on here because they cost more that one from poundland. To me a well known branded and highly reviewed cable costing £30 cable reduced to £10 is a hot deal.


I'm going to partly back you up....

HDMI does not guarentee correct delivery of data as this would insert some delay. Hence on errors you may be able to see 'problems'. A better quality cable will help to reduce that.

In terms of 'it's digital'. That is the largest red herring in the world. My mobile phone is 'digital' but the fecker doesnt work in my livingroom :P
#23
cynikill
and a few bits of bell wire. (well, if digital is digital - surely even that would work)


What is this bell wire you talk about and where may I obtain some......
#24
PennysMakePounds
Tell me about it. Im just a little gutted bacuase i bought this exact same lead from Morrisons last week for £4.99 (which i thought was a bargain) to only take home, open it, try to plug it into my xbox, only to realise, its the older version without the HDMI port :oops:


lol tat's why i dont bother with Xbox 360, PS3 is better future proof with Blu-ray and generally a better machine. Anyway, HDMI cable for £20+ is a rip off.
#25
if the guy in currys tells me i need a £39.99 hdmi cable, he must be right, so be it :)
#26
dean_brfc

In all your rubbish analogies the HDMI equivalent would be dead pixels or jumping sound. It is not an analogue signal, you don't get a loss of detail or anything like that.


As the video is compressed, you would NOT experience the problem in a single pixel.

Maybe you can explain to me how digital does work as I apparently have no knowledge. As for misleading people - I am expressing an opinion. My opinion is that a cable can introduce errors in to a digital signal which may cause some minor picture/sound issues which may or may not not be noticable. I also believe that in the event of a data error, the receiving device will continue to process the signal.

What i dont do however is catagorically state that because a signal is digital, it will either work or not. You seem to suggest that a cable which isnt perfect will not function at all. That i strongly disagree with.
banned#27
quite a good article here about cheap v expensive cables

For anyone who can't be bothered to click, the conclusion is that theres no real difference.
#29
For one cable to give a better picture than another it would have to change the data being sent by the device. To get better colours etc, its a different piece of data. A cable cannot change the data, certainly not to anything that will give a better picture. The cable only transfers the data from one device to your tv. It cannot make that data any better. Its crazy to think it can.
#30
these cables where £2 last week on sendit :)
#31


thankyou, that tells me what i already knew, cable does make a difference :)
1 Like #33
cynikill
As the video is compressed, you would NOT experience the problem in a single pixel.

Maybe you can explain to me how digital does work as I apparently have no knowledge. As for misleading people - I am expressing an opinion. My opinion is that a cable can introduce errors in to a digital signal which may cause some minor picture/sound issues which may or may not not be noticable. I also believe that in the event of a data error, the receiving device will continue to process the signal.

What i dont do however is catagorically state that because a signal is digital, it will either work or not. You seem to suggest that a cable which isnt perfect will not function at all. That i strongly disagree with.


The signal may be digital but the transmission is not. The physical transmission is an analogue representation of a digital signal. Any physical transmission over wire is.

I don't know anything about HDMI (other than it has no error correction) but Wikipedia reveals the following.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transition_Minimized_Differential_Signaling

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_signaling

According to Wikipedia TMDS has an advanced coding algorithm to minimise electrocmagnetic interference. To be clear, the physical transmission is analogue.
#34
Tones
For one cable to give a better picture than another it would have to change the data being sent by the device. To get better colours etc, its a different piece of data. A cable cannot change the data, certainly not to anything that will give a better picture. The cable only transfers the data from one device to your tv. It cannot make that data any better. Its crazy to think it can.


Exactly.

If a cable works perfectly, replacing it with a more expensive cable will not make it any better.
Idiots saying that the colour improves etc are just deluded.
#35
lol tat's why i dont bother with Xbox 360, PS3 is better future proof with Blu-ray and generally a better machine

until the laser get knackered and no dvd player or console, and just cos its hd does not mean it will improve whatever you are watching/playing. a good game does not rely on graphics but gameplay and a crap film/tv program will still be crap in hd or sd.
#36
Slim Hamster
Ok... here we go... and wait for the deluge of abuse... I've compared a number of hdmi leads on my Pioneer Kuro 5090 (no ol' rubbish - regarded as just about the best panel you can get) and I can categorically state that hdmi leads are not all the same: you get what you pay for. I've A/B'd cheap ones for £1 and decent ones of different makes, and I reckon that if you buy a QED (you can get one discounted for around £25-30, and some AV mags even give them away with subscriptions) you'll get a better picture than with something costing £1. In my experience, the hdmi lead SKY supply with their HD box is nfg, yet the one that was supplied with the 360 isn't bad, but not great. If you have SKY HD, you'll definitely get a sharper pic and brighter colours with a better lead. I've tested it myself extensively with a number of leads on SKY HD, HD-DVDs on a Toshiba XE1, DVDs on a Denon 1940, Blu Rays and games on a PS3, and a 360 - through an Onkyo 606 amp. There's no point spending hundreds/thousands on AV gear and not using decent connectors, or your system will be reduced to the quality of its weakest link. The accepted wisdom on HDUK seems to be that all hdmi cables are the same 'cos they're digital; take it from me - they're not.
There... I've gone and done it, 'cos I'm fed up with reading a lot of misinformation about hdmi leads on here. Hope this helps any interested parties.


you sir are an idiot of the highest order.

how the hell can a better cable make a digital signal clearer or brighter.

now there is scope for arguing that in the good old days of scart cables that a good quality cable would offer an improvement over a cheapy cable. however since "the world has moved on" a high quality cable will offer no improvement over a low quality cable at ordinary lengths. now i assume that if a piece of cable was 100 of meters long that a pure quality cable might somehow over a better conductive qualities over a low impurity cable but again i fail to see how that could effect a picture. ie make colours brighter etc.

those who pay lots of money for cables are similar to those people who get positive effects from taking placebo's - there is no scientific basis for you getting better but you convince yourself that the benefits are there to be seen.

provided the cable meets the industry standard then it makes not one jot of difference as to whether you spend £1 or £100 on a cable. - the image will be the same.
#37
FGEvans
you sir are an idiot of the highest order.
how the hell can a better cable make a digital signal clearer or brighter.


A poor cable providing lower bandwidth could result in a reduced colour depth. The difference between 24bit and 36 bit colour for example would have such an effect.

Maybe us higher order idiots base our opinions on research
http://www.national.com/an/AN/AN-1613.pdf
#38
cynikill
A poor cable providing lower bandwidth could result in a reduced colour depth. The difference between 24bit and 36 bit colour for example would have such an effect.

Maybe us higher order idiots base our opinions on research
http://www.national.com/an/AN/AN-1613.pdf


Does the same thing apply for a printer cable? If I use a more expensive cable will my printer do betterphotos? Or if I get a more expensive network cable, will it make me a better gamer?

There is no difference in a home set-up between a cheap cable or an expensive cable. If you claim otherwise, then you are making an extraordinary claim (that a signal isactively processing a siganl passing through it) then the onus is on you to provide hard evidenc of your claim. If you can`t provide stronger evidence than "WhenI spent £500 on a cable I think m y TV looks better" then you`ve lost the discussion, it really is that simple.
#39
I had problems with a cheap lead which wobbled slightly in the socket, and if it wasn't sitting quite right there would be random brightly coloured pixels at some points on the screen.

Thing was, that one cost me 99p to buy and 99p to replace. The market's absolutely saturated with excellent, cheaply made and sold leads though. Unless they need it trailing for more than a couple of metres, anyone forking out more than a couple of quid on a HDMI lead today is a mug, plain and simple.
#40
I think a point nobody has made is that if you aren't happy with the image from a cable you buy - send it back and get a refund. If you can't tell if there's a problem - then there isn't one really is there?

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