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Just found this today whilst looking through Quidco as have been considering Be there for a while.

The current offer is the first 3 months free, plus £50 quidco for 12 month contracts. There is no connection charge for this service.

This means for the 24 meg serivce you would pay £8.96 a month for the first year. Thanks to lhwjud for the voucher, just found it as I was posting but thought it made a more attractive proposition with quidco on.

Great deal!
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#1
My guess is Bethere requires a BT line to connect.

I was recently offered the following by Virgin Media retentions:
2MB for £14pm
or
10MB + M Phone for £20pm
Considering I don't have (and don't want) a BT line,
Is there a better deal on the market?

Though existing customer can't get quidco, there's £65 quidco for new customers plus £50 from VM if you connect to an existing bundle
#2
Yes you do need a landline for this

2mb for £14 pm isnt very good, but without getting a bt line I presume you are stuck with virgin anyway.
#3
I'm with bethere now and have absolutely no complaints.
No traffic shaping whatsoever when they say unlimited downloads they mean unlimited, some months I have downloaded 250gb+ without any complaints plus I'm getting 21mb on a line bt told me would only give me 7mb.
Definitley recommend.
#4
Dan, thanks for that, traffic shaping was one of the main things I was worried about. What kind of download speeds do you get to torrent sites?
#5
Another recommendation here. Had virgin ADSL "unlimited" before who cut your net off to 50KBps if you downloaded more than 1ish GB a day, which is ridiculous these days with itunes / steam / internet radio / youtube HD etc.
Switched to Bethere, never had any problem since. I get about 14/1 Mbit on their 24/1 service, but I can't complain as it's still a lot faster than most out there, and unlimited actually means "without limit" for once.
2 Likes #6
It is the best deal offered by Be for a long time, and previously on here, but most people will probably prefer the cheaper service from o2 Broadband which is based on the exact same network but with a variation on the technical features and bolt-on freebies/extras.
See my features/comparison document, with latest cost comparison of first 12m commitment (3m on certain Be packages) at:
http://cid-99aa6cf1226facfe.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/o2%20Broadband%20-v-%20Be%20There%20Broadband

The Be and o2 services are uncapped and unshaped and you will USUALLY get 84% of your synch speed as usable data bandwidth ie limited only by the technology not any business practice. They both require a BT line. (o2 ALSO offer an 'Access' package that is based on regular BTwholesale ADSL/ADSLmax rather than their own Telefonica o2/Be exchange equipment and that has the usual limitation of that infrastructure.)
#7
Another satisfied BE user here, been a member for over 2 years, constant speeds and truely unlimited! I'm on 20 megs so all good. Great customer service as well.
#8
Likewise had be for a couple of years no issues I also have O2 at another property same again, both no issues and good service. I was also previoulsy a Virgin customer.
#9
Check O2's deal - £70 cb, x months free and £8pm if mobile customer- as BeThere are O2's broadband.

http://www.topcashback.co.uk/retailerdetailO2_Broadband.htm
#10
Sorely tempting, I'm getting fed up with my old OneTel connection. I am only paying £12.99 but my internet connection has become unreliable in the last year and I suspect a lot of shaping going on nowadays. It's a shame becuase it used to be superb.
#11
rep and have my 8° - was looking at bethere's mid package (can only get upto 13mpbs it says) so 8mbps will suffice. with the three months free and £50 cashback = £5.96per month for the first year!
#12
centaurandrew
Dan, thanks for that, traffic shaping was one of the main things I was worried about. What kind of download speeds do you get to torrent sites?


I dont use torrents all that often now I have a rapidshare account but if its well seeded usually get around the 1000kb's mark
#13
awoodhall2003
rep and have my 8° - was looking at bethere's mid package (can only get upto 13mpbs it says) so 8mbps will suffice. with the three months free and £50 cashback = £5.96per month for the first year!


Why not sub to o2 Premium and pay a net £4.01/m over that year even if you have to get an o2 PAYG and don't use the £33 of phone credit you'd build up ???
AND get the 13Mbps as the o2 Premium is the same ADSL2+ Annex A as Be Value but UNCAPPED.
See my earlier posting including the calculations.

Those not after the hottest deal need to act quickly as Be's 3m offer ends at the end of the month and the current enhanced £50 (£70 o2) Quidco cashbacks usually don't survive beyond month-end so again act quickly to blag those before they probably reduce to £25-£40.

MKD
#14
mk-donald
Why not sub to o2 Premium and pay a net £4.01/m over that year even if you have to get an o2 PAYG and don't use the £33 of phone credit you'd build up ???
AND get the 13Mbps as the o2 Premium is the same ADSL2+ Annex A as Be Value but UNCAPPED.
See my earlier posting including the calculations.

Those not after the hottest deal need to act quickly as Be's 3m offer ends at the end of the month and the current enhanced £50 (£70 o2) Quidco cashbacks usually don't survive beyond month-end so again act quickly to blag those before they probably reduce to £25-£40.

MKD


ok so bethere Value is uncapped?
so guessing just the cashback that makes it better?
#15
Well i moved from Virgin to O2 and i have no complaints about speed at all.....

Now and again i would go over virgins limits and be traffic managed for the rest of the day.

With O2 there is no limit and i can surf and download as i wish (there is no limits)

The 24hr UK support is also a good thing, if you need to use it which i haven't.

O2/Be are the same company, although i was a little unsure at first the move has been worth it.

I got sick of Virgin "Traffic" management, this and that ,and just wanted to be unlimited with UK support.

Hope this re-assures some people who might be stuck on the fence!.
#16
I advise people to stay well away from Virgin crappy service that is seriously flawed with the ridiculous stm limits what worse is my cable modem is dodgy so I called tech support to order a new one it is now 3 weeks and 3 calls later yet I still do not have a new modem. The company is clearly run by the Chuckle brothers and Mr Greengrass.
#17
Is there any difference between o2 and bethere for download/upload speeds? I've just signed up to O2, they predicted 11mb and I'm getting 8.5mb even though I've got new bt lines to and around the house. I remember briefly trying be last year and getting 10mb. Why would bethere give me a faster speed than O2?

I'm another person desperate to get away from Virgin and their traffic shaping.
#18
I've been considering Be for a while as well, this is a big fat carrot to go do it.
#19
awoodhall2003
ok so bethere Value is uncapped?
so guessing just the cashback that makes it better?


Sorry but either i mistyped/punctuated or you're misreading.
I was puzzled by the poster on HOT UK Deals regarding Be Value as the hotter deal.
Be Value is capped at 8Mbps max synch. Traffic on that link isn't otherwise constrained.
o2 Premium works out CHEAPER over the first year AND ongoing and is not capped at 8Mbps.
That is because of the current £50 and £70 Quidco cashbacks and free months offers.
The poster said they could get 13Mbps so should get a 60% faster service.
That price comparison will of course change if/when the Quidco varies and Be;'s 3m free offer lapses in a few days.
The point is that although Be and o2 have shared parentage and shared network the service packages are NOT identical so you do need to consider which bits are important versus the cost.
So for nearly everyone o2 offers a cheaper ADSL2+ but Be offer some more esoteric technical features which some users will value over cost.
DO see the comparison document I linked to earlier in this thread.
#20
Remember also your maximum connection (and therefore download) speed will also depend on your distance from your local exchange. I've been with Be(There) for over a year - I left Telewest after Virgin messed it up - and both the service and quality have been great. I'm on the mid package @ £17.50 / month and I get download throughput of almost 2 megabytes/sec which drops to about half if I unplug and use wireless - that's still plenty fast though!

I saw the O2 offer when it came out and yes I could save some money but I couldn't be bothered to go through the processes of getting another mobile phone, regularly topping it up and switching over the broadband. I'm happy to pay Be full price for this product and I rarely say that about a company.
#21
Cant reccomend be broadband enough here never had trouble with service in whole year i have been with them .The service never seems to drop and if it has they have emailed to say its going to happen and normally in early hours.

Their support is based in bulgaria which scared me a bit at first but i have had to contact them once by email which had very prompt response and once by phone and had much better help than the likes of the telephone people at orange ill say no more on that.

10/10 from me .
#22
Another happy Be user here, thoroughly recommend these guys
#23
centaurandrew
Dan, thanks for that, traffic shaping was one of the main things I was worried about. What kind of download speeds do you get to torrent sites?


I have been downloading upto 2.1mb per second best speeds from any isp i've had, and i've been through a few
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See my post on reducing your subscription with BE once you sign up with them.
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/367183/reduce-your-be-broadband-fee-just-r/

I was the original author for the voucher but no one really notice the post nevertheless.
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/370813/be-broadband-3months-free-of-12mont/
#25
Hot, if you can get Be in your area... i can't :(
#26
I have been with many ISP's and Be is by far the best. No complaints, no downtimes. they even send a text to your phone to let you know your bill is ready.

You can raise a ticket on your online account if you have any issues and they get back to you within a day or 2.

Even though it may sound miniscule, they even send an e-mail to you on your birthday and give you a free day's surfing for that one day. Take that for a perk ;)
#27
lhwjud
See my post on reducing your subscription with BE once you sign up with them.
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/367183/reduce-your-be-broadband-fee-just-r/

I was the original author for the voucher but no one really notice the post nevertheless.
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/370813/be-broadband-3months-free-of-12mont/


rep added for that thanks mate
#28
Out of Static & dynamic IP address which is the best and why?

Also, BE's site claims I should get around 17meg but other line test sites suggest around 4mb, is there a definitive way to find out my possible speed other than signing up to them then finding out the speed is no good. I'm on Virmin at the moment and have been for years but the traffic management really spoils it all for me. I;ve been umming and arring about going over to BE for months now but the speed uncertainty is the only thing stopping me.

Also, there is no email included so what do you guys use...Gmail or something like that?

I already knew of this deal as I keep going back and forth to BE's site, sit and stare at the page then close it cos I cannot decide lol.
#29
never use an isp email and u dont have a problem when u switch isp

been a being 3 years or so cant fault em done 500gb in a month no probs get 17mb down and 1.3mb up
truly unlimited
#30
simate
Out of Static & dynamic IP address which is the best and why?

Also, BE's site claims I should get around 17meg but other line test sites suggest around 4mb, is there a definitive way to find out my possible speed other than signing up to them then finding out the speed is no good. I'm on Virmin at the moment and have been for years but the traffic management really spoils it all for me. I;ve been umming and arring about going over to BE for months now but the speed uncertainty is the only thing stopping me.

Also, there is no email included so what do you guys use...Gmail or something like that?

I already knew of this deal as I keep going back and forth to BE's site, sit and stare at the page then close it cos I cannot decide lol.


If you don't know about Static -v- Dynamic then you don't need Static.
The major reason for speed increases on Be/o2 LLU is that they use ADSL2+ (either Annex A or M depending on package) which can give upto 24Mbps (on very short/high-quality phone lines) whereas "regular" ADSL is only upto 8Mbps.
o2 includes email accounts.
Don't get me wrong BOTH Be & o2 are excellent. Be was a very early ADSL2+ provider and is priced higher with some higher-end technical options; o2's parent bought them out and created o2 Home Broadband as the mass-market/high-value/market-share-grab version based on the same infrastructure.
You shouldn't regret joining either (both highly recommended by most subscribers) but most people will find o2 noticably better value for money - and as you'll have read above the threat of migrating to (sister-company) o2 has saved some Be subscribers a tidy sum on their otherwise inflated Be subscriptions (as existing subscribers don't usually get the advantage of cashback introductions and/or free months to reduce their net monthly cost).
MKD
#31
Hi my parent house (im a student) we have used Be from the year it started 4 years ago? anyway I used to pay £32 for the Be Unlimited service, it was perfect then and it's perfect now. It does not cap whatsoever and in some months 500+GB have come down the line with no letters or complaints from Be, getting speeds of 1500-2000kb/s (bytes not bits)

I'm at University living in a house with Virgin 20MB service heres a speed test result:
http://www.speedtest.net/result/458909436.png
#32
Niz
...we have used Be from the year it started 4 years ago?

Almost - they started up Aug 2005 and within a year had been snatched by what is now Telefonica Europe, which owns Telefonica o2 UK.
Yep HOW prices have fallen and quality improved : I paid BT £39.99/month + £75 installation for 512kbps ADSL (or was it 256kbps?) back in 2001 whereas now with o2 Standard it's a net £10.67/m cost for over 4Mbps (and £11 of o2 phone/SMS/perks a quarter with security software and free online SMS perks AND even a VoIP SIP enabled modem - though new joiners won't get that benefit anymore).
Contemporary results showing usual 84% of synch as actual data throughput:
http://www.speedtest.net/result/460490606.png
Note how my IP is shown as belonging to a Be range, although it's an o2 a/c - it's highly shared.
#33
mk-donald
Almost - they started up Aug 2005 and within a year had been snatched by what is now Telefonica Europe, which owns Telefonica o2 UK.
Yep HOW prices have fallen and quality improved : I paid BT £39.99/month + £75 installation for 512kbps ADSL (or was it 256kbps?) back in 2001 whereas now with o2 Standard it's a net £10.67/m cost for over 4Mbps (and £11 of o2 phone/SMS/perks a quarter with security software and free online SMS perks AND even a VoIP SIP enabled modem - though new joiners won't get that benefit anymore).
Contemporary results showing usual 84% of synch as actual data throughput:
http://www.speedtest.net/result/460490606.png
Note how my IP is shown as belonging to a Be range, although it's an o2 a/c - it's highly shared.


I really couldn't live with under 4mb or at least 10mb for that matter.

http://www.speedtest.net/result/460502600.png
#34
normal
Is there any difference between o2 and bethere for download/upload speeds? I've just signed up to O2, they predicted 11mb and I'm getting 8.5mb even though I've got new bt lines to and around the house. I remember briefly trying be last year and getting 10mb. Why would bethere give me a faster speed than O2?


How briefly did you try then? Your internet connection will slow down over the first ten days as it works out what the maximum sustainable speed for your house will be so that could explain the 1.5Mb drop.

simate
Out of Static & dynamic IP address which is the best and why?

Also, BE's site claims I should get around 17meg but other line test sites suggest around 4mb, is there a definitive way to find out my possible speed other than signing up to them then finding out the speed is no good. I'm on Virmin at the moment and have been for years but the traffic management really spoils it all for me. I;ve been umming and arring about going over to BE for months now but the speed uncertainty is the only thing stopping me.


A static IP means your computer is always at the same address, which is good if you want people to find you (e.g. hosting a web or e-mail server). Dynamic means that you get a different virtual location every time you connect. Most people won't see any difference and will be best off with whatever's cheaper.

The speed difference is because Be* uses ADSL2+ (up to 24Mbps) rather than the Usual ADSL Max (Up to 8Mbps). For the same line 4Mbps ADSLMax is going to be roughly equivelent to 17Mbps ADSL2+ (although I would have thought they'd be a bit closer than that). Of course, that's what you'll get if you've got good phone wiring in your house, any problems will drop the speed down).

mk-donald
Contemporary results showing usual 84% of synch as actual data throughput:
http://www.speedtest.net/result/460490606.png
Note how my IP is shown as belonging to a Be range, although it's an o2 a/c - it's highly shared.


3.64Mb/s? That's not a very good advert for a service promising up to 24Mb/s. The ping seems to be pretty good though, considering speedtest always rates mine higher than normal.
#35
I ordered the BE broad 8M service on Feb and receive half an year free offer. However, to be honest, it's not good as I expected.

O2 and BE use the same infrastructure. When I was with O2, I hardly had the problem of disconnection. So I assumed I can get the same. But the situation is different. With BE, I often get disconnection (more than 5 in a day). BE customer service is also not good as O2. So, after the contract finishes next Feb, I'll go back to O2 again.
#36
EndlessWaves
3.64Mb/s? That's not a very good advert for a service promising up to 24Mb/s. The ping seems to be pretty good though, considering speedtest always rates mine higher than normal.

Preposterous point!
a) I am subscribed to the o2 Standard upto 8Mbps service.
b) My line is just over 5kms and 60dB attentuation - hence the performance.

If you are prepared to move into a telephone exchange to get 24Mbps then fair enough - but personally I prefer to get the ADSL delivered to my current home! Incidentally that is an area where Be & o2 differ : if you DO want/need to move during your contract commitment: with o2 you can almost certainly get o2 Access at the vast majority of UK locations; whereas Be/o2 LLU is only available at SOME locations - hence with Be you'd have to leave/cease paying 3m notice/rest-of-12m contract; whereas with o2 you'd be okay!

Ofcom have a voluntary code of practice (to which o2 adhere) requiring providers to give an indication of the LIKELY ACTUAL performance of their line. The BT database gives an indication of 3.5Mbps for my line. So synching at 4.3Mbps on o2 = WONDERFUL performance thank you :-D
For others puzzled about the difference between theoretical maximums and real life at their location I would recommend this site:
http://www.samknows.com/broadband/mapping/mapping.php

Incidentally for those who understand what it means : the Dynamic IP on o2 LLU packages (and on Be too I believe) is very "sticky" so you tend to keep the same IP# for weeks or even months on end; though the point is that it is NOT statically allocated to you, just on what usually becomes a very-long-term lease.
MKD
#37
Another proud BE customer here - been with them for around 2 years and can not recommend them enough.

Been with every other Tom, Dick and Harry previous to BE and they were *****.
#38
EndlessWaves
How briefly did you try then? Your internet connection will slow down over the first ten days as it works out what the maximum sustainable speed for your house will be so that could explain the 1.5Mb drop.
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Cheers for that. I'll try it a bit longer. I only hooked it up yesterday.
#39
[QUOTE=EndlessWaves]A static IP means your computer is always at the same address, which is good if you want people to find you (e.g. hosting a web or e-mail server). Dynamic means that you get a different virtual location every time you connect. Most people won't see any difference and will be best off with whatever's cheaper.

The speed difference is because Be* uses ADSL2+ (up to 24Mbps) rather than the Usual ADSL Max (Up to 8Mbps). For the same line 4Mbps ADSLMax is going to be roughly equivelent to 17Mbps ADSL2+ (although I would have thought they'd be a bit closer than that). Of course, that's what you'll get if you've got good phone wiring in your house, any problems will drop the speed down).

Thanks for that, much appreciated. I checked my line on samknows.com and it says...

ADSL available at ~4Mbps
ADSL2+ available at ~4Mbps

I'm 900 meters from the exchange according to some other site I checked with ages ago.

So not good, looks like I'm flipping stuck with Virmin :(
1 Like #40
simate
[Thanks for that, much appreciated. I checked my line on samknows.com and it says...
ADSL available at ~4Mbps
ADSL2+ available at ~4Mbps
I'm 900 meters from the exchange according to some other site I checked with ages ago.
So not good, looks like I'm flipping stuck with Virmin :(


The problem with all predictions (in accordance with the Ofcom code) is that is based on the BT database of line lengths which is an old/massive database that is less than 100.0% accurate. The 4Mbps predictions will be based on an entry in there of something like 4kms or so of line.

While a crow flying may reach your proprerty from the exchange in 900m, the telephone line may well have meandered off - there was one guy I recall who reported that although he could see the NEW exchange building from his house he knew from conversations with linesmen that his line went all down towards the (old) town centre (via where the OLD exchange building had been) before coming to his property round the backstreets so his hopes of a lovely short line had been thwarted by history.

Your BEST bet is to chummy up to the neighbours and see if you can get some accurate, observed information from their BT line based ADSL - preferably not just their performance speeds but for downstream (a) synch speed; (b) line attenuation; (c) S:Nmargin as they should enable you to guestimate if it's worth bothering.

Assuming they report more than 4Mbps THEN you should see that o2 offer a 30-day moneyback guarantee so if you went with them you could TRY the line to see if you did get results you were happy with and then either reject o2 or reject Virgin. Good Luck

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