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Bioshock (PC) £9.99 at play.com

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8y, 1m agoFound 8 years, 1 month ago
Great game at a great price!

BioShock is a revolution in the shooter genre that will forever change the expectations for the FPS. Going beyond "run and gun corridors," "monster-closet AIs" and static worlds, BioShock creates a living, unique and unpredictable FPS experience. BioShock is the Shooter 2.0.

After your plane crashes into icy uncharted waters, you discover a rusted bathysphere and descend into Rapture, a city hidden beneath the sea. Constructed as an idealistic society for a hand picked group of scientists, artists and industrialists, the idealism is no more. Now the city is littered with corpses, wildly powerful guardians roam the corridors as little girls loot the dead, and genetically mutated citizens ambush you at every turn.
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#1
Been this price or less for a while I think, and a penny cheaper at amazon!
#2
Isn't there a problem with this whereby the security only allows a certain number of installs?
#3
cicobuff
Isn't there a problem with this whereby the security only allows a certain number of installs?


Yes it uses SecuRom which really really sucks. I installed Bioshock and had numerous Vista related Bioshshock bugs and then finally about quarter of the way through the game I was for absolutely no reason, locked out by SecuRom. The SecuRom warning gave a URL for support which turned out to be error 404. It was impossible to circumvent and the only way to proceed was to reinstall the OS at which point I "upgraded" to XP, downloaded the No-CD cracked exe and vowed never to buy a SecuRom protected product ever again.
#4
VDisillusioned
Yes it uses SecuRom which really really sucks. I installed Bioshock and had numerous Vista related Bioshshock bugs and then finally about quarter of the way through the game I was for absolutely no reason, locked out by SecuRom. The SecuRom warning gave a URL for support which turned out to be error 404. It was impossible to circumvent and the only way to proceed was to reinstall the OS at which point I "upgraded" to XP, downloaded the No-CD cracked exe and vowed never to buy a SecuRom protected product ever again.


So in turn, SecuRom in this instance has encouraged piracy rather than circumvent it, as the No-CD exe hack uncripples it!
#5
cicobuff
So in turn, SecuRom in this instance has encouraged piracy rather than circumvent it, as the No-CD exe hack uncripples it!


Yep absolutely. Total crass stupidity on the manufacturers part. I used to, ahem, obtain copies of software of dubious provenance but in recent years I have stopped doing it, partly on moral grounds and also to avoid infections by malicious code. I was therefore rather cheesed off having to download legally grey area code just so I could play a game that I had actually bought.
#6
Yep avoid the PC version and get it on Xbox or PS3 if possible, SecuROM only inconveniences those who pay for the game, the pirates simply remove it.
#7
I had the same problems thru SecuRom protected product in the form of Ubisoft's Far Cry 2..9 days i effed about with Ubi's techincians..Still couldn't get it going and sent it back..
I will never ever buy a game which is protected by this method..
#8
Good price but as said, if you download this game you actually get a far superior version. Amazing that the game manufacturers have chosen to offer something worse than the pirates, but there you go, they won't be getting my custom.
#9
great game - great price
#10
VDisillusioned
Yep absolutely. Total crass stupidity on the manufacturers part. I used to, ahem, obtain copies of software of dubious provenance but in recent years I have stopped doing it, partly on moral grounds and also to avoid infections by malicious code. I was therefore rather cheesed off having to download legally grey area code just so I could play a game that I had actually bought.


I applaud your attempts to make this a better world, too few of us do. Couple of points though.

1) I take a firm stance against the sort of limited-install game-is-not-really-yours DRM shenanigans emplyed by Bioshock, Spore, etc. I'll usually skip anything which such draconian measures in place, and if I'm absolutely compelled to play it, despite horrible DRM, I will do so without paying for it.

Sorry to all the developers who put time and effort in. But if I can't play it on my terms, I'm certainly not paying for it.

Though I'm sure that the games companies would dispute this, it's still quite legal to borrow a game from someone else when they've finished with it. I can pretty much always wait that long.

Ergo, right side of the law, but I'm just as bad as a pirate, as far as they're concerned. Worse, in fact, because I make a point of telling other people not to bother, and furnishing them with excellent reasons why they shouldn't.

This is a good strategy for keeping current with games, making sure money goes where it is deserved, and still not having to boycott some of the essentials. I recommend it.

I played my brothers copy of bioshock. Only had to wait a week, because he didn't much like it. :)

2) Regarding 'nasty software': Given the track record of companies like Sony, who own Securom, the current direction of DRM, and the assumption that we are all criminals by the security industry in general, I actually trust the crackers code much more than the code from the manufacturers.

That's not hyperbole. I trust the latest cracked EXE more than the original.

Yes, you can certainly pick up some nasty **** through the process of cracking games, but it has ALWAYS in my experience been because you went to a bad place to get your fixes, not because the cracked exe release was loaded with spyware to begin with.

Bottom line: the crackers are the ones taking malware out, these days.
#11
I'm pretty sure the limited installs were removed later on, so now it just activates itself online but doesn't "penalize" you for it.

I'm against all these DRM measures too but, in the interest of fairness, I'll say I finished this game a few weeks ago. Played through the whole thing on Vista without any problems at all.
#12
nodham
I'm pretty sure the limited installs were removed later on, so now it just activates itself online but doesn't "penalize" you for it.


That's certainly the case. There's still copy protection in there, but there's no nasty rootkit stuff and and the limits on the number (and location) of the installs has been removed. I'm certainly staying away from any titles with such ludicrous protection until it is officially removed (by which time games can usually be bought for a tenner).

To be honest though, I was sorely disappointed with Bioshock. The development team had 8 years between System Shock 2 and Bioshock and they only seemed to succeed in making the game look nicer; most of the gameplay elements were present in the 1999 title. It's still a good game, but the second half of the game drags and the gameplay hardly varies, even with the available choice of skills. I'd give it 7/10.
#13
Great price, great game just a real shame that SecuROM is such a nasty insidious piece of rootkit based malware - even worse on FallOut3.
#14
dcx_badass
What do you do if you want to play it in say 3 years time and the activation servers have been shut down, and the installation limit was not removed it was raised from 3 to 5.


The limit was raised from 3 to 5 soon after release due to complaints, but a couple of months ago the limit was completely removed. It does still need to connect to the authentication server the first time after install to unlock the game, but that's the only restriction.
#15
Picard123
Great price, great game just a real shame that SecuROM is such a nasty insidious piece of rootkit based malware - even worse on FallOut3.


While SecuROM can be a nasty piece of work, the rootkit element is optional. Frankly I can't blame anyone for getting a dodgy copy of a game which actually uses the rootkit version. I certainly wouldn't buy it until officially removed.
#16
good price but as said shame about the DRM
#17
can i buy it and then activate the serial on steam? this way i wont have to face any stupid DRM.
anyone??

it is 56$ on steam. i have played the demo but just like doom3 i didnt enjoy it much because of that claustrofobic feeling it gives.
#18
MajorCockUp
can i buy it and then activate the serial on steam? this way i wont have to face any stupid DRM.
anyone??


I would also buy if it that was the case because it would mean I could play the game on my laptop without my DVD drive wizzing up constantly!
#19
wibbleboy
The limit was raised from 3 to 5 soon after release due to complaints, but a couple of months ago the limit was completely removed. It does still need to connect to the authentication server the first time after install to unlock the game, but that's the only restriction.


And by 'unlock the game' you do in fact mean 'download the executable file', since it is not actually on the disk... :thinking:
#20
i just looked at my online bank statemant and it says no-no. i f4kin hate this credit crunch. it looks like its borrowing games and cracking them from now on. sorry ID, EA, Bethesda, Ubisoft, Codemasters, etc etc.
ive been out of work for nearly two months, who can blame me?
#21
The activation servers are something to consider for the future, sure, but I really doubt they'd shut down, even if 2K were bought out by someone else. With a prequel apparently in the pipeline, Bioshock looks set to be quite an IP and supported for quite sometime.
#22
wibbleboy
That's certainly the case. There's still copy protection in there, but there's no nasty rootkit stuff and and the limits on the number (and location) of the installs has been removed. I'm certainly staying away from any titles with such ludicrous protection until it is officially removed (by which time games can usually be bought for a tenner).

To be honest though, I was sorely disappointed with Bioshock. The development team had 8 years between System Shock 2 and Bioshock and they only seemed to succeed in making the game look nicer; most of the gameplay elements were present in the 1999 title. It's still a good game, but the second half of the game drags and the gameplay hardly varies, even with the available choice of skills. I'd give it 7/10.

I never played SS2 but even I found Bioshock to be "quite good" but not the revolution it was touted as. Must be the fact it's on console too or something, for whatever reason I never enjoy any of the multi-format games as much as PC onlys.

Judging by your avatar I'm assuming that, like me, you've been spoilt by older games that offered a lot more choice and story, like Fallout, Planescape Torment?
#23
dcx_badass
Well no, the drm and rootkit are on the disk, so when you install they'll be put on, then you have to patch it to remove the limits, also you still have the coaster when the actiavtion servers are shutdown.


No. Despite initial reports that Bioshock contained a rootkit, it was proven to be false. Yes, it does have SecuROM protection, and SecuROM CAN make use of rootkit protection, the version in Bioshock doesn't (and never did) install the rootkit drivers, etc, though it does muck around with your registry. Once you install the game you can't run it until "unlocked" from the activation server. When the game was originally released the activation servers took your game key and a unique hardware profile, cross-referenced these to see how many times you installed then either returned a 'Yes' or a 'No'. Now the activation server simply checks if you entered a valid game key and replies accordingly. You will still need the DVD in the drive unless you get an appropriate No-CD.

As with all other activation server based protections, they have promised that if they ever turn the servers off, you'll be able to download a small patch to unlock the game offline. Speaking of which, has this ever happened yet? I've still not heard of anyone being unable to play a game due to discontinued support, it's more likely to be a problem when a game is first released and everyone is hammering the servers on day one.
#24
nodham
I never played SS2 but even I found Bioshock to be "quite good" but not the revolution it was touted as. Must be the fact it's on console too or something, for whatever reason I never enjoy any of the multi-format games as much as PC onlys.

Judging by your avatar I'm assuming that, like me, you've been spoilt by older games that offered a lot more choice and story, like Fallout, Planescape Torment?


I played SS2 again a few months ago with the Rebirth mod installed, and thoroughly enjoyed it. It still plays well for a game nearly a decade old. The same goes for Thief 1 + 2, classic titles.

I still have fond memories of playing Bard's Tale 1-3, Wasteland, etc on my C64 twenty (yes, count 'em) years ago. Unfortunately I can't bring myself to play those games now, it would ruin them. The more recent titles such as Fallout 1+2, Baldur's Gate 1+2, and Planescape are still thoroughly enjoyable titles. I still regard Planescape as the pinnacle of computerised story-telling.
#25
wibbleboy
As with all other activation server based protections, they have promised that if they ever turn the servers off, you'll be able to download a small patch to unlock the game offline. Speaking of which, has this ever happened yet? I've still not heard of anyone being unable to play a game due to discontinued support, it's more likely to be a problem when a game is first released and everyone is hammering the servers on day one.


Take it with a huge grain of salt.

Unless you're confident that in the middle of filing for a chapter 11 bankruptcy, company X is going to take three employees to one side and tell them to build a patch, then pass it on to Q and A for two weeks of testing, then you already know the answer to whether or not such a patch will be released; not a chance.

Of course the servers will be turned off one day. All servers are. Even that behemoth World of Warcraft will cease to function one day, when its servers are all turned off, for crying out loud.

The difference is that central servers are REQUIRED for World of Warcraft to operate. It's not a game that works at all without something to bind it together and make a world of it.

Activation servers are an artificial imposition on the natural working of a program. DRM is there to break things that would otherwise work, in order to control access.

For evidence of how wrong this can go, see Microsoft's play's for sure DRM scheme, soon to be known as 'Doesn't Play Anymore', and Yahoo!'s music servers, which are already offline. Hard drive crash? Tough. It's gone.

And this is Microsoft and Yahoo! we're discussing - neither of them have gone bankrupt yet. Games companies are much more likely to hit the wall.
#26
so does the activation backup tool no longer apply?

I have the steel tin version of this and never had a problem with rootkits or activations

http://news.filefront.com/bioshock-activation-revoke-tool/
#27
mcloum
so does the activation backup tool no longer apply?


You no longer need to use it.

I'm glad that Take 2 have made the effort to do this, but since you need to download the EXE file from an activation server, it's still a little bit too much like being asked to thank the school bully now that he's only punching you in ONE nut.
#28
MajorCockUp
can i buy it and then activate the serial on steam? this way i wont have to face any stupid DRM.
anyone??


I haven't tried it myself but I'm pretty sure you can't; only very few games allow you to do this (Prey is the only store retail game I can think of that lets you do this, other than Valve's own games of course).

In any case, I believe Bioshock is one of a few games that even includes SecuROM in the Steam version to track the number of installations, which is idotic given that a Steam account can only be accessed from one PC at a time -- however I guess this is no longer an issue in this case given that the installation limit has been removed.

wibbleboy
I've still not heard of anyone being unable to play a game due to discontinued support, it's more likely to be a problem when a game is first released and everyone is hammering the servers on day one.


Although not quite the same thing, from what I've heard EA are pretty keen on switching off their multiplayer servers for old versions of their sports games. Also I think Sony have switched off multiplayer servers for a few of their PSP/PS3 games too.

In any case, I guess if the activation server is switched off without an official patch being made available you can always obtain a no-CD crack via the download method of your choice...
#29
BionicC
I haven't tried it myself but I'm pretty sure you can't; only very few games allow you to do this (Prey is the only store retail game I can think of that lets you do this, other than Valve's own games of course).

In any case, I believe Bioshock is one of a few games that even includes SecuROM in the Steam version to track the number of installations, which is idotic given that a Steam account can only be accessed from one PC at a time -- however I guess this is no longer an issue in this case given that the installation limit has been removed.



Although not quite the same thing, from what I've heard EA are pretty keen on switching off their multiplayer servers for old versions of their sports games. Also I think Sony have switched off multiplayer servers for a few of their PSP/PS3 games too.

In any case, I guess if the activation server is switched off without an official patch being made available you can always obtain a no-CD crack via the download method of your choice...

That sort of makes sense since they're peddling a new title in each sports series each year. I also doubt anyone is really playing the older titles in the series anyway... hopefully we aren't stuck with Bioshock 08, Bioshock 09. :p
#30
Have a good long read about it.

http://www.tweakguides.com/Piracy_1.html

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