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THE BOSCH MACHINES ARE SOME OF THE BEST NEXT BEST ARE MIELE BUT THEY ARE AROUND TWICE THE PRICE.
delivery costs £19.99 but it is still the cheapest around but most importantly they are damn good machines for under £300, The deal is not only in the price but the fact that its a bosch with 5star reviews and a which best buy.

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#1
Total price then is £293 with delivery & voucher.

1200 spin is low, especially significant if you will be doing tumble drying as it will be heavy on electricity costs
#2
nihcaj
Total price then is £293 with delivery & voucher.

1200 spin is low, especially significant if you will be doing tumble drying as it will be heavy on electricity costs


Dead right and they are made in Spain now not Germany.
#3
theres a few newer models out of this for about 30 quid more elsewhere not a great deal this but not so bad either
#4
this is a really good machine, and the spin is excellent for a 1200 the clothes come out very dry got this to replace our zanussi and this wipe the floor with the 1400 spin zanussi. we got it from the bennetts wholesale bit just before xmas £229 plus vat with free delivery and they got it to us the day after we bought it.
#5
Dont forget Quidco ;)
#6
I also have a 1200 spin Bosch and clothes come out very dry, i havent used my tumble dryer since having it over 12 months ago :thumbsup:
#7
Jimston;7389312
got this to replace our zanussi and this wipe the floor with the 1400 spin zanussi.


Not a surprise, as odds-on, any new 1200 spin will be performing better than a clapped out old 1400 machine!
#8
gr8h8me;7389241
Dead right and they are made in Spain now not Germany.



People have been saying that for years now and in that time i've had two Bosch machines and both have been made in Germany.

Reliability wise, the first machine lasted 6 years before we replaced it and this second one had a serious breakdown literally the day after the 5 year warranty expired. So being made in Germany clearly doesn't mean that much. Another thing that's been disappointing with both is the very high noise levels.

I might be inclined to go for a Miele next time. Or the 11kg load LG sounds a good idea. We could get all our washing done in half the loads.
#9
Zanussi and Bosch are about level imo.
#10
nihcaj
Total price then is £293 with delivery & voucher.

1200 spin is low, especially significant if you will be doing tumble drying as it will be heavy on electricity costs


I recently bought a 1200 spin bosch to replace a 1400 Zanussi. The difference in dryness is negligible. Before buying I checked out the Bosch on 'Which'; it was a best buy. Also I googled spin differences and some guy (washing machine engineer I think) claimed the difference between 1200 and 1400 was 50% and 53% residual dryness, respectively. So you would be years and years before breaking even on the more expensive 1400 spin machine; once taking the tumble drying costs into account.

Don't want to seem disagreeable, but I am glad I saved myself a few quid on the lesser spin machine. Also for anyone contemplating this washing machine, the wash cycle is quite long, but that's if you use a 'wash plus' cycle as bosch recommend; however my mother has the same machine (except a 1400 spin - haha) and only uses the wash plus feature on heavy soiling. We have found also that the machine cleans great with one tablet (not two) and without wash plus (although for my tshirts and gym stuff, we do use wash plus).

Hope that helps someone else - just my own experience.

RJ
#11
JAMAL;7389330
I also have a 1200 spin Bosch and clothes come out very dry, i havent used my tumble dryer since having it over 12 months ago :thumbsup:


........and I have a 1600 spin AEG, the clothes come out very dry, and I use my tumble drier every day of the week.......

The point you are trying to make?

Old fashioned stand-alone spin driers even doing 3000 rpm don't produce clothes dry enough to wear, they still need drying - you either hang them on the line, or tumble dry them!

The speed issue is all about how much water is left in the clothes - Hang them on the line they take a longer time to dry than those dried at higher speed, so in a tumble drier they cost more money to dry than those spun at a higher speed. It's not really a brand issue, it is a speed issue, which is why machines are rated - this one is rated B for drying

One rated A might be a better bet, especially if it is going to be tumble dried as the effect on cost is significant, and needs to be thought about when buying a new machine, as your useage pattern could end up costing you a lot of money. Some argue that 1600 or 1800 speed machines are less reliable, so that might be an issue, and like everything else, yoiu take the features, and the price into account when you are buying.

The point I am making is, there is a LOT more than price to take into account when you buy a washing machine, and this is just a very ordinary machine, with a slow spin by today's standards, not some technological marvel as it seems to have been billed!
#13
mccririck;7389399
Zanussi and Bosch are about level imo.


Reliability wise according to Which they're not. Zanussi are sandwiched between Beko and Candy in the Which reliability table and Bosch are second only to Miele.
#14
redjay1;7389406
So you would be years and years before breaking even on the more expensive 1400 spin machine; once taking the tumble drying costs into account.


Like you, I have no specific figures on how much it costs to dry that extra 3% out (if that is the case), but bearing in mind a C rated tumble drier (most are) being aboutt 3KW costs about 48p an hour to run... the "years and years" will seem a lot shorter when you are paying the bills! That's without fuel costs rising as they seem destined to do. :whistling:

I certainly noticed the time difference to dry a load when I bought a 1600 spin machine to replace the 1200 one I had. I cut my drying costs a lot more by getting an A rated tumble drier, the extra cost for that produces a "return" on the extra cost in less than 3 years; but that's another issue altogether.
#15
RedOnRed;7389469
Reliability wise according to Which they're not. Zanussi are sandwiched between Beko and Candy in the Which reliability table and Bosch are second only to Miele.


What's this obsession with Which anyway?
Which... an organisation that uses debatable sales techniques to recruit subscribers, produces reports on models that are often way out of date or net even available any more!
#16
nihcaj;7389513
What's this obsession with Which anyway?
Which... an organisation that uses debatable sales techniques to recruit subscribers, produces reports on models that are often way out of date or net even available any more!


Did I say i'm obsessed with Which?

Anyway, Which's washing machine reliability table is made up by user reports.
#17
The majority of bosch machine, as someone stated, outperform any of the other makes, I am hoping to get one but may get the next model up. with regard to performance 1st hand experience from friends who bought bosch machines 2 years ago after I recommended them, after checking Which reviews, they were and still are mind blown at the cleaning performance and the fact that some things come out so good they dont even have to be ironed, energy and water efficiency are also at the top end. and of course reliability is in par with miele. you can buy other machines in this price range and higher, but they cant touch the bosck on all the main points. Touch wood , have been a which member for over 10 years and never had a bad "best buy " product, although I can appreciate you can get unlucky and end up with a lemon. if any one in the market for a washer , go for bosch you cant go far wrong. Although check the which reviews for the model. you can now check which reviews for a trial of £1.
#18
redjay1;7389466


Electricity costs on there are Way, way, way out of date :-(

So even accepting those figures, (and that's a big thing, as they are not in anyway related to any source, so could be plucked out of the air by the guy who wrote the blog!) a 1400 spin save 0.2KwH so now that's about 3.2p on my electricity tariff (two rates, so hard to be exact, but an educated guess gives an average 16p per KwH seesm to be about where it lies) - I wash about 10 loads a week, so that's 32p, 52 weeks a year = £16.64 p.a. In the 5 years my machine is under warranty, £83.20 saved, not even thinking about any fuel price rises, and that's assuming my machine doesn't last any longer than it's warranty period.

In reality, I bought a 1600 machine, which is not listed, so it seems reasonable to take the mid point between the 1400 and 1800 shown - that would be 2.85KwH, so that's 4.5p saved per load - the figures then come out at 45p per week x52 = £23.40 p.a. so the saving over the 5 year period my machine is warranted is £117
Now.. I can't exactly be sure I paid more or less than 117 quid than what the 1200 model cost at the time, but looking at those figures again, I am pretty pleased I bought the faster machine! The extra small benefit is, loads dry faster too.

Like I say... especially significant if you tumble dry, (and I do, as do many others too) it is a big deal! If it is only issue is the time taken to dry on a line, well that's probably not going t be such a big issue, exceopt in the winter when they will be frozen stiff for longer!
#19
RedOnRed;7389600
Did I say i'm obsessed with Which?

Anyway, Which's washing machine reliability table is made up by user reports.


Everyone on this thread seems to be!

The user reports are often based on very small numbers of users with any particualar model, so are about as valuable as opinions on here... ie. not very! :-(
#20
nihcaj;7389700
Everyone on this thread seems to be!

The user reports are often based on very small numbers of users with any particualar model, so are about as valuable as opinions on here... ie. not very! :-(



The Which reliability table is based on general manufacturers reliability and isn't model specific and they polled the following amounts of people for each brand...

Sample sizes Miele (524), Bosch (1763), Siemens (191), AEG/AEG-Electrolux (195), John Lewis (139), Zanussi/Zanussi Electrolux (637), Neff (32), LG (118), Candy (69), Beko (94), Whirlpool (172), Tricity Bendix (71), Hotpoint (741), Indesit (232), Hoover (204), Servis (71). The total sample size was 5,253.

I think those numbers of people are fair enough in size to give a realistic gauge.
#21
jjav;7389622
The majority of bosch machine, as someone stated, outperform any of the other makes,


Never read such crap in my entire life :-(

eg. http://www.reviewcentre.com/fi91-brand-Bosch.html

There are a number of good brands; no, lets say BETTER brands and a number of poor brands, with a lot inbetween. Bosch are better than some. Lets leave it like that!
#22
RedOnRed;7389737
The Which reliability table is based on general manufacturers reliability and isn't model specific and they polled the following amounts of people for each brand...

Sample sizes Miele (524), Bosch (1763), Siemens (191), AEG/AEG-Electrolux (195), John Lewis (139), Zanussi/Zanussi Electrolux (637), Neff (32), LG (118), Candy (69), Beko (94), Whirlpool (172), Tricity Bendix (71), Hotpoint (741), Indesit (232), Hoover (204), Servis (71). The total sample size was 5,253.

I think those numbers of people are fair enough in size to give a realistic gauge.


yes..........of the machines bought by a VERY unrepresentative sample of washing machine users :-(
The fact that user experiences are based on a very odd sample of people who happen to make a very expensive subscription to a very narrow based magazine means that any user figures are going to be taken with a very large bucketful of salt!

It's not even the beginning of any sort of meaningful statistic - Unfortunately - I personally wish there WAS some way of making a better, less hit-and-miss purchase, as over the years I have bought some utter crap, despite the best of guidance (including Which, which I never ever subscribed to, but read every month as there was a subscription at work!) It is still Russion roulette buying a washing machine, they are undoubtedly some of the worst pieces of man-made junk that can be bought :-(

The method I have chosen is to buy a brand that the manufacturer is willing to put their money behind in the form of a longer warranty - as well as on research too - I bought Siemens and so far, so good, although I am NOT in some sort of dream thinking that it is the best on the planet, it isn't, it was just a bit more affordable than options such as Miele, and came with 5 years manufacturer's warranty as standard at the time. I has proven the best (financially based) purchase of a washing machine than I have made since 1979 - every other washer in that time has been less reliable, and a product I have been in some way disappointed with - some brands I have had include Hoover, Indesit, Creda, Zanussi, and yes.. Bosch! I forgot Ariston.... I must be subconsciously blocking that as that wasn't bad, it was a NIGHTMARE!

I dare say that Bosch would still be one of the products I would look at, but not particularly high up the list.

My experience is not sound as any sort of statistical certainty either, btw, just personal experience, which sadly is about as good as any other sort of recommendation, and ultimately what you end up using to judge purchases.

Anyway, this is getting very far away from my initial comment by miles - the point I was making was, and that was REGARDLESS of brand... a 1200 spin machine is not exactly the purchase for someone who tumble dries, with the warning that Bosch is not quite the God-given solution to the world's ills that some people seem to think!
#23
I'll just add something about reliability. In 1996 I bought a Hotpoint First Edition 1000 for about £200. The spin speed is prehistoric by todays standards. I still use that same washer today starting it's 14th year. It has been used on average 7-10 times every week every year. It has NEVER broken down. Not once. I have not spent a penny on it in 14 years. Works and to be honest, looks as good as the day it was bought, and I've moved house 2 times in that period. So in 14 years I've certainly had value for money out of it.

Question is, do I now get rid of a perfectly working washing machine and buy a faster, more efficient model? If so, which one? Bear in mind I now have a 2 year child and another due in July so my wash load is ever increasing. Clearly this old model is inefficient and slow but solidly reliable. I have to way up the loss due to inefficiency over long term saving. Including in that the cost of a new machine. I don't tumble dry, either line or radiators! but as the amount of washed items is growing and will grow bigger, I'll probably have to include buying a drier instead. Any good washer/driers out there?
#24
nihcaj;7389990
yes..........of the machines bought by a VERY unrepresentative sample of washing machine users :-(
The fact that user experiences are based on a very odd sample of people who happen to make a very expensive subscription to a very narrow based magazine means that any user figures are going to be taken with a very large bucketful of salt!



Hang on a sec, you post a link for review centre where a paltry number of about 50ish people have left reviews for Bosch machines on models that are no doubt well discontinued and then you're dismissive of Which's report where they polled 1737 Bosch users?

Do you mean to say that in Which if people give a favourable report that it's inaccurate and that the 1200+ people that left negative reviews for the bottom four worst performing brands are acceptable?

I'm not Which's biggest fan but I do understand and appreciate their combination of scientific testing and user reviews and that they're not a free service so wouldn't be in business unless they got it right.
#25
nihcaj
Never read such crap in my entire life :-(

eg. http://www.reviewcentre.com/fi91-brand-Bosch.html

There are a number of good brands; no, lets say BETTER brands and a number of poor brands, with a lot inbetween. Bosch are better than some. Lets leave it like that!

Accept your opinion , but bare in mind the average user is not going to be nit picky on technicals , if you wnat to talk stats and technical, i could give anyone a good run for their money.

The point is people generally want to spend their hard earned cash on an item that is going to provide them with some form of value, in terms of reliability & performance. "Which" have proved to be a good source of info for many users, I personnally then take into account other info of the net and user info. people use which cos there fedup of getting screwd by companies shifting C***p or they just dont have the time to trawl through the net. Your siemens is probably very good , but they have come from shifting rubbish to a decent standard in some of their products.
You can end up with a lemon in any top brand thats just plain bad luck.
#26
jjav;7390156
Accept your opinion , but bare in mind the average user is not going to be nit picky on technicals , if you wnat to talk stats and technical, i could give anyone a good run for their money.

The point is people generally want to spend their hard earned cash on an item that is going to provide them with some form of value, in terms of reliability & performance. "Which" have proved to be a good source of info for many users, I personnally then take into account other info of the net and user info. people use which cos there fedup of getting screwd by companies shifting C***p or they just dont have the time to trawl through the net. Your siemens is probably very good , but they have come from shifting rubbish to a decent standard in some of their products.
You can end up with a lemon in any top brand thats just plain bad luck.



I suppose, in fairness, anyone that's shelled out extra for a Siemens over a Bosch only to find that Which has a lower opinion for Siemens machines isn't going to hold a very high opinion for Which and is going to be inclined to some how debunk it.
#27
RedOnRed;7390076
Hang on a sec, you post a link for review centre where a paltry number of about 50ish people have left reviews for Bosch machines on models that are no doubt well discontinued and then you're dismissive of Which's report where they polled 1737 Bosch users?


Dead right.

Did I say both were good or particularly valuable sources?... No, merely examples of views that conflict with the Which ones.

You will find that they may well be from an odd population too... people on review sites seem to be either very satisfied customers or very dissatisfied customers!

L:ike I said "I personally wish there WAS some way of making a better, less hit-and-miss purchase"
#28
nihcaj;7390310
Dead right.

Did I say both were good or particularly valuable sources?... No, merely examples of views that conflict with the Which ones.

You will find that they may well be from an odd population too... people on review sites seem to be either very satisfied customers or very dissatisfied customers!

L:ike I said "I personally wish there WAS some way of making a better, less hit-and-miss purchase"



You miss the point...no one's saying that Bosch are great, including me and i've had two of them. What people are saying is that after taking specification, reliability and value into consideration they're better then most other brands. Which makes this deal a no brainer really.
#29
RedOnRed;7390306
I suppose, in fairness, anyone that's shelled out extra for a Siemens over a Bosch only to find that Which has a lower opinion for Siemens machines isn't going to hold a very high opinion for Which and is going to be inclined to some how debunk it.


A few points:

I am not trying to debunk anything.

My Siemens wasn't particularly expensive. Add on the cost of a 5 year warranty to the price of the machine in this deal, and you are about there! It wasn't a hard decision to buy, as the figures worked out well, but I spent a lot of time umming and ahhing about buying AEG, and a lot more wondering about going further up to Miele.
If you want proof of the prices of Siemens machines, here is an example, picked in seconds, so not necessarily any sort of good price, or necessarily the model I wold want to buy:
http://www.johnlewis.com/230508951/Product.aspx?source=14798
7kg capacity, 1400 spin, 5 year warranty as standard comes to £399 delivered!
May well be less than a 1400 Bosch, without the 5 year warranty.

The machine in this post is a pretty good price. Not a lot of good for someone who tumble dries clothes, because of the slow spin, but otherwise it looks pretty decent.

I haven't looked at Which reports for several years. Having read them for years prior to that, I find them of little value. I certainly haven't seen the report on this machine.... all I know is, I never did very well buying based on Which reports in the past, so I never so much as think about them now!
#30
RedOnRed;7390426
Which makes this deal a no brainer really.


It MIGHT be an OK deal.

No brainer? They are pretty rare, and this is not even close.

I can't see what you are getting so excited about. :?
#31
nihcaj;7390434
A few points:

I am not trying to debunk anything.

My Siemens wasn't particularly expensive. Add on the cost of a 5 year warranty to the price of the machine in this deal, and you are about there! It wasn't a hard decision to buy, as the figures worked out well, but I spent a lot of time umming and ahhing about buying AEG, and a lot more wondering about going further up to Miele.
If you want proof of the prices of Siemens machines, here is an example, picked in seconds, so not necessarily any sort of good price, or necessarily the model I wold want to buy:
http://www.johnlewis.com/230508951/Product.aspx?source=14798
7kg capacity, 1400 spin, 5 year warranty as standard comes to £399 delivered!
May well be less than a 1400 Bosch, without the 5 year warranty.

The machine in this post is a pretty good price. Not a lot of good for someone who tumble dries clothes, because of the slow spin, but otherwise it looks pretty decent.

I haven't looked at Which reports for several years. Having read them for years prior to that, I find them of little value. I certainly haven't seen the report on this machine.... all I know is, I never did very well buying based on Which reports in the past, so I never so much as think about them now!



The difference between 1200 and 1400 spin speeds are negligible and our first Bosch spun at 1000 and we never had any problems tumble drying.
#32
RedOnRed;7390474
The difference between 1200 and 1400 spin speeds are negligible and our first Bosch spun at 1000 and we never had any problems tumble drying.


No, but you will have spent a few bob extra on it!

My first washer was about 800 spin if I remember rightly, I certainly wouldn't want on of them - time has moved on a lot since then! That's one of the big deals, the improvement in performance has steadily gone up, unfortunately the reliability is still poor just about across the board :-(
#33
This is the same price in lots of places! Cold.
#34
nihcaj
No, but you will have spent a few bob extra on it!

My first washer was about 800 spin if I remember rightly, I certainly wouldn't want on of them - time has moved on a lot since then! That's one of the big deals, the improvement in performance has steadily gone up, unfortunately the reliability is still poor just about across the board :-(


Depends if you dry your clothes in a tumble dryer or outside on a clothes line. In the summer we hardly ever use the tumble dryer so a high spin speed isnt that important.
#35
Same price at John Lewis, Jual Domestics and HughesDirect...
#36
nihcaj
A few points:

I am not trying to debunk anything.

My Siemens wasn't particularly expensive. Add on the cost of a 5 year warranty to the price of the machine in this deal, and you are about there! It wasn't a hard decision to buy, as the figures worked out well, but I spent a lot of time umming and ahhing about buying AEG, and a lot more wondering about going further up to Miele.
If you want proof of the prices of Siemens machines, here is an example, picked in seconds, so not necessarily any sort of good price, or necessarily the model I wold want to buy:
http://www.johnlewis.com/230508951/Product.aspx?source=14798
7kg capacity, 1400 spin, 5 year warranty as standard comes to £399 delivered!
May well be less than a 1400 Bosch, without the 5 year warranty.

The machine in this post is a pretty good price. Not a lot of good for someone who tumble dries clothes, because of the slow spin, but otherwise it looks pretty decent.

I haven't looked at Which reports for several years. Having read them for years prior to that, I find them of little value. I certainly haven't seen the report on this machine.... all I know is, I never did very well buying based on Which reports in the past, so I never so much as think about them now!


I bought the 1400 version at Bennets on Boxing Day, one day only so did not get chance to post! It was only £299 and Bosch has a standard 2 yr warranty. I'd wait to see if they put this model on offer again. Very pleased with it, quiet,washes well and clothes dry over night if hung out so tunble dryer gets a lot less use!
1 Like #37
mccririck;7390886
Depends if you dry your clothes in a tumble dryer or outside on a clothes line. In the summer we hardly ever use the tumble dryer so a high spin speed isnt that important.


Which is precisely why I said what I did in my first post!
#38
Which? review:

This freestanding washing machine from Bosch is a reliable Best Buy; its energy efficient and doesn't take long to get laundry really clean. It's not too noisy, either.

The WAE24164GB is from the Bosch Classixx range of machines, so it lacks some features found on the more expensive Exxcel and Logixx models. The drum is smaller, with a 6kg capacity, and you won't find a delayed-start feature or time- remaining display on the control panel.

But you won't be missing out when it comes to cleaning; results are excellent on the 40° cotton program and good on the easy-care setting - so you can be assured of clean clothes whatever fabrics make up the bulk of your laundry.

The cotton program takes 134 minutes for a 6kg load, which is about average for that size, and it achieves excellent energy and water efficiency. You can only wash 3kg of synthetics in one go, so the easy-care program isn't quite as energy efficient but it takes just 86 minutes, so you won't have to wait long for your delicates.

Rinsing is slightly more thorough when using the synthetics program, but the cotton rinse is by no means bad, and there's an extra rinse option if you need it.

The 1200rpm variable spin does a decent job of removing water from cottons and gets delicates really dry. It's not too noisy, either. There's a silver version available WAE2416SGB.

Pros: Washes well - particularly cottons, excellent water and energy efficiency for cotton program

Cons: No digital display
#40


....in between the ridiculous arguing....how did you get this for 265 pls? link comes up at 299. any codes etc?

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