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High Def box for under £60!! Bargain. Get those free gift vouchers out

Digitally interactive.

Digital text.

LNB in.

Digital video broadcasting (DVB) subtitles.

Auto setup.

Auto detection of new channels.

Now and next electronic programme guide.

8 day electronic programme guide.

2 SCART sockets.

HDMI output socket.

HDMI cable included.

Upscales to 1080i.

Remote control.

Access over 140 Freesat digital channels and radio stations (Freesat service dependent).

Audio description (broadcast mix) (Freesat service dependent).

Fully interactive with LAN port for connection to broadband (Freesat service dependent).

Stunning high definition programmes.

Subscription free.

Remote control requires 2 x AAA batteries (included).

Power consumption in use 13 watts.

Standby power consumption 14 watt.

Size (H)4.2, (W)25.7, (D)16.5cm.

Weight 0.82kg.
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#1
Freesat is going to be less attractive as Freeview HD rolls out, which can be received with no need of dish and extra box (on compatible tv's), so price's falling
#2
vitek
Freesat is going to be less attractive as Freeview HD rolls out, which can be received with no need of dish and extra box (on compatible tv's), so price's falling


The price is falling cause the box is rubbish.

Freesat remains my only free option as i can't receive any Freeview signal...
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vitek
Freesat is going to be less attractive as Freeview HD rolls out, which can be received with no need of dish and extra box (on compatible tv's), so price's falling


chancooluk
The price is falling cause the box is rubbish.

Freesat remains my only free option as i can't receive any Freeview signal...


Personally I don't see an argument against Freesat, it has more advantages than Freeview.

Firstly, its Free HD here and NOW (albeit limited, but thats the fault of the networks that provide Freesat which ironically is a joint venture between BBC and ITV, not the platform itself)

Secondly, Freeview HD boxes are not available until Spring next year, and given the fact that the government have pretty much dragged their feet with the whole digital switchover signal, its going to be 2012 before the whole country gets a decent enough signal.

Thirdly, unlike Freeview, Freesat broadcasts from the very strong Astra 28E satellite (Same satellite Sky uses) meaning its a strong signal across the UK

Fourthly, unlike Freeview, it in most cases is an easy install for the average DIYer, in a lot of instances if you don't already have a dish one can be put on a wall of a house at stepladder height, therefore if you were considering an aerial upgrade for Freeview, but do not have the equipment/confidence to get on the roof, its an easier job to tackle yourself.

Fifthly, British Citizens either living in mainland europe, and/or having holiday homes in mainland europe are able to view terrestrial television.

Lastly, an update is out this month for Freesat receivers which will enable BBC Iplayer & ITV player via ethernet, with picture quality to match broadband speeds.
#4
This deal was posted last week at £67 but it rang through the till at £59.99 and you got a £5 voucher.

As I said at the time, I usually buy brand name hifi etc. but took a chance with this Bush and I am perfectly happy with it. Some people have had problems with the updated software it may download so I have left mine at 1.4.4 and can't find any problems with it. It does lose lip sync occasionally, but it's not a major issue for me. When the price drops I'll get a decent Freesat HD recorder, but for now, there's hardly anything on in HD anyway.

How anyone can say the box is rubbish is blowing smoke out their ass. Mine is working very well and the Freesat pq is better than I was expecting. A Humax is twice the price and in my opinion they are overrated and certainly not twice the quality.
#5
The software problem on the Grundig/Goodmans/Bush boxes has been well publicised, there was an update v1.8 that was posted between 18-20th November which fixed problems with the notorious v1.7 update, however the v1.8 update has proved to be a problem with some people that are directly upgrading from the old v1.4, so was pulled until a proper fix is provided for all peeps upgrading from v1.4 onwards.

This has not been a good time admittedly for faith within the Harvard PLC group (Bush/Grundig/Alba) however the problem is at least being addressed and a further update is around the corner for ethernet IPlayer and ITV player compatibility.

Build quality wise the Humax is undeniably better than the Harvard PLC boxes, as obviously with this firmware update hiccup is the faith in the company, however as you state how anyone can say these boxes are rubbish is beyond me too, reviews have very much suggested the PQ is no different on a Humax than on a Harvard box, slightly soft on SD, outstanding on HD.

Those that diss Freesat I would like to see back on this thread next July speaking about how they have been watching the Vancouver Winter Olympics and the World Cup in HD on their Freeview boxes! Maybe about 10% if lucky that opt to buy a Freeview HD box will catch the World Cup in HD due to the slow switchover.
#6
To be honest I think it was a big mistake right from the early days of LCD/Plasma TV domination to have Freeview tuners built in, most transmitters of Freeview have been running on reduced power meaning a lot of LCD/Plasma TV owners can't receive all of the Freeview MUXes, also can anyone confirm about future software upgrades for their TVs for Freeview HD compatibilty!?
#7
cicobuff
To be honest I think it was a big mistake right from the early days of LCD/Plasma TV domination to have Freeview tuners built in, most transmitters of Freeview have been running on reduced power meaning a lot of LCD/Plasma TV owners can't receive all of the Freeview MUXes, also can anyone confirm about future software upgrades for their TVs for Freeview HD compatibilty!?


I read somewhere there wont be one !!
#8
I've now had two of these and both have stopped working, the first within a week, the second after three weeks. Needless to say both have gone back. Are the updates done automatically when the box is in "standby" mode.
#9
AuctionSniper
I read somewhere there wont be one !!


Another bizarre reason then for manufacturers to consider even putting freeview tuners inside HD TVs!

If a seperate box has to be bought to be able to receive Freeview HD channels, which will be released Spring 2010 at least double the cost of this Freesat HD box, further to this most areas won't actually be able to receive Freeview HD for another year after the release of Freeview HD, then how the heck can anyone say Freesat HD is rubbish?!

If you bought one today, you can be viewing HD content today, tomorrow, olympics and world cup next year, guaranteed.
#10
huwis10
I've now had two of these and both have stopped working, the first within a week, the second after three weeks. Needless to say both have gone back. Are the updates done automatically when the box is in "standby" mode.


Yes, you were most likely stung within the automatic updates that crippled the boxes unfortunately. A fix is coming out shortly, read my post earlier on about it.
#11
BlackCloud
A Humax is twice the price and in my opinion they are overrated and certainly not twice the quality.


I can't comment on the bush product, but as i own two humax receivers i can say that they are worth every penny, (I only paid £82 for my Humax HD).
#12
Carley
I can't comment on the bush product, but as i own two humax receivers i can say that they are worth every penny, (I only paid £82 for my Humax HD).


Might be worth posting where you can get the Humax HD from for £82, as its a good price against its RRP
#13
Yes, you were most likely stung within the automatic updates that crippled the boxes unfortunately. A fix is coming out shortly, read my post earlier on about it.

Does that mean the problem would have been corrected if I'd just left the box plugged in for long enough
#14
huwis10
Yes, you were most likely stung within the automatic updates that crippled the boxes unfortunately. A fix is coming out shortly, read my post earlier on about it.

Does that mean the problem would have been corrected if I'd just left the box plugged in for long enough


Probably, they released a fix V1.8 between 18-20 November, which fixed a problem with V1.7 however this was incompatible with some boxes that were still on their stock firmware of V1.4! So it has been pulled for now until an update comes out that fixes all previous firmware versions.

http://www.joinfreesat.co.uk/index.php/harvard-release-software-update-cure
#15
Is freesat really worth it over the normal freeview?
I have no issues getting all freeview channels with the built in tuner on my 32" and I have access to 1 maybe 2 lnb inputs from the dish.
#16
Jetpac
Is freesat really worth it over the normal freeview?
I have no issues getting all freeview channels with the built in tuner on my 32" and I have access to 1 maybe 2 lnb inputs from the dish.


Depends on whether or not you want to view HD content on your TV, if not then no, if yes then of course its worth it.

If as previously suggested your integral tuner will not support Freeview HD when it eventually arrives in whatever area of the country you are in, if you want to view HD then you will have to buy one or the other.

Seeing you have spare LNB inputs on your dish, a simple run of coax cable from one of those into the back of this would give you HD content today, tomorrow and if sport is of importance to you, during the Winter Olympics and the World Cup next year.
#17
cicobuff
Might be worth posting where you can get the Humax HD from for £82, as its a good price against its RRP


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#18
Carley
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In all due respect, you bought that receiver second hand, trying to compare the Humax against the Bush/Grundig/Alba HD Freesat boxes at £60 against the usual £119 of a Humax for cost/performance, is somewhat different than stating you got your Humax second hand for £80!
#19
cicobuff
In all due respect, you bought that receiver second hand, trying to compare the Humax against the Bush/Grundig/Alba HD Freesat boxes at £60 against the usual £119 of a Humax for cost/performance, is somewhat different than stating you got your Humax second hand for £80!


I'm not trying to compare the humax/bush brand, all i said is the humax is worth every penny, and you don't have to pay full R.R.P. to get one.

you can get a refurb direct from humax for £89
#20
Carley
I'm not trying to compare the humax/bush brand, all i said is the humax is worth every penny, and you don't have to pay full R.R.P. to get one.


:? I think you will find the argument is over the fact that this is half the price of the Humax bought brand new, comparing like for like as stated the Humax is better built, but reviews suggest that picture quality is the same on the Humax and Harvard PLC boxes which are 50% cheaper, so bang for buck they are good value.

I am aware you can buy a lot of things second hand, and no doubt it was worth every penny to you. But trying to state that against the Harvard PLC boxes on a second hand item is somewhat puzzling to say the least. As the other poster stated, they certainly are not twice the quality at twice the price (if you buy one new, warranteed)

Also the suggestion of a refurb Humax at £89 is still a third more expensive (plus delivery charge on top), and although warranteed its been refurbished for a reason, and refurbished items tend to be pot luck.
#21
cicobuff
:? I think you will find the argument is over the fact that this is half the price of the Humax bought brand new, comparing like for like as stated the Humax is better built, but reviews suggest that picture quality is the same on the Humax and Harvard PLC boxes which are 50% cheaper, so bang for buck they are good value.

I am aware you can buy a lot of things second hand, and no doubt it was worth every penny to you. But trying to state that against the Harvard PLC boxes on a second hand item is somewhat puzzling to say the least. As the other poster stated, they certainly are not twice the quality at twice the price (if you buy one new, warranteed)


i wasn't arguing, i said i can't comment on the bush because i have never used or seen it in action, i only commented that the humax is a very good product, which doesn't have to cost twice as much (see link in my above post).


As a brand snob personally i would rather buy a second hand humax (with a 19 month warranty remaining) instead of a brand new Bush and i did. :)
#22
cicobuff
Depends on whether or not you want to view HD content on your TV, if not then no, if yes then of course its worth it.

If as previously suggested your integral tuner will not support Freeview HD when it eventually arrives in whatever area of the country you are in, if you want to view HD then you will have to buy one or the other.

Seeing you have spare LNB inputs on your dish, a simple run of coax cable from one of those into the back of this would give you HD content today, tomorrow and if sport is of importance to you, during the Winter Olympics and the World Cup next year.


Are there many Free HD channels?
#23
Jetpac
Are there many Free HD channels?


Limited currently, BBC HD and ITV HD, both only have certain scheduling, worth it when major sporting events occur though, or watching nature programs like Life in HD is amazing.
#24
Jetpac
Are there many Free HD channels?


BBC HD (not 24hr) + intermittent programmes on ITV. There is a promise of more to come.
#25
I use freeview and freesat together to get maximum free channels and it works very well for me.
#26
Power consumption in use 13 watts.

Standby power consumption 14 watt.


Ha ha!
#27
I bought one of these about 6 months ago, and yes the HD tv quality is fine, although not a major difference in my opinion. However, the box is basic in quality and the response from the remote is appaling. Remember when you used to press the shutter button to take a digital photo on early digital cameras and the picture would be taken 2 seconds later- that's what the remote is like on this. Really disappointed.

Last week bought one of the Humax foxsat PVRs from Currys in Liverpool for £191 (pricematching the John Lewis Deal)

http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/538965/humax-foxsat-hd-320gb-199-instore-j

The difference in quality is astonishing (yes, worth every penny) and the Bush is getting demoted to a spare bedroom. You'll hate the remote delay if you get a Bush.
#28
Carley
BBC HD (not 24hr) + intermittent programmes on ITV. There is a promise of more to come.


I wonder why channel 4 HD isn't on freesat, its on sky although i spose there isnt much HD on it
#29
I don't get switchover until 2012, I bought (and posted) a grundig freesat box a few months ago and have been as happy as a sandman ever since! Dr Who in HD, more and more ITV stuff in HD, just need ch4 and a few more of the 5 channels and I would be like a pig in mud!
#30
the humax updates are currently being broadcast via freeview for their freeview boxes (9300, 9150 - 9200 to follow in next few weeks) - check your manual to see if 'auto update' is enabled, if not you can manually check for the new software. Also in the manual
#31
Good deal, cheapest way to get HD telly. I bought a HumaxHD box quite a while back and it was over £200 (and only a tenner more than this box at the time)!! At this price I don't think you can go wrong. If it does cock up then just take it back to Argos - no biggie.
#32
I was going to get this earlier on in the year so I can watch CL footy on ITV HD, good job I held out as they are now showing less of our games (Arsenal). Just going to wait to see which one survives (FreeSat HD v Freeview HD) and then decide. But at this price, this is pretty good for now.
#33
Bargain for free HD. With BBC and ITV player coming, Freesat is a very attractive option, which I would take up if I didn't have Sky (purely for Sky Sports I might add)

As for 4HD, I'm sure its down to contract obligations with Sky which means they cant go onto freesat

However I have read, so not 100% how accurate this is, with the freesat boxes with a CAM slot,(not this box) you can, use a CAM and a Sky free to view card, and in none freesat mode recieve 4HD
#34
I have both Freeview and Freesat and now never record or view Freeview on my home HD TV. The picture quality on Freesat (I use the Humax HDR) is fantastic and even on SD is much, much better than the two Freeview options I have connected to the same TV. Comparisons with Freeview HD are invalid in my opinion as Freeview HD does not yet exist. The Freeview reception is still not great across the country. I recently had to upgrade my aerial to receive Film4. Countrywide roll-out of Freeview HD is not expected until 2012. Satellite is the only realistic method of delivering HD content in the short/medium term.

If you are familiar with PVR use, then the HD content is really quite good today with an increasing number of programs included. You can get much more on Sky, but this requires a significant commit.
#35
Great point from AVFC on iPlayer and ITV Player becoming available on the Freesat platforms, starting this month.
#36
Had the Goodmans version for 11 months now. Got it for £60. No problems whatsover and I would have been enjoying HD for 18 months before anyone can even catch a glimpse of a Freeview HD box in retail stores.... and that would probably be retailing at £100 - £200.

You may miss world cup and wimbledon 2010 if you wait till prices come down.
#37
BlackCloud
This deal was posted last week at £67 but it rang through the till at £59.99 and you got a £5 voucher.

As I said at the time, I usually buy brand name hifi etc. but took a chance with this Bush and I am perfectly happy with it. Some people have had problems with the updated software it may download so I have left mine at 1.4.4 and can't find any problems with it. It does lose lip sync occasionally, but it's not a major issue for me. When the price drops I'll get a decent Freesat HD recorder, but for now, there's hardly anything on in HD anyway.

How anyone can say the box is rubbish is blowing smoke out their ass. Mine is working very well and the Freesat pq is better than I was expecting. A Humax is twice the price and in my opinion they are overrated and certainly not twice the quality.


My Bush from Argos went kaput about 1 month and a bit. Lucky I got a refund!

I will wait and buy a HD TV and I am waiting ...
#38
What dish can i connect this to? Can i connect it to a Sky Digital Dish that isnt used anymore? Just we have two Sky Digital dishes on the side of my house.
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Yes, exactly the same on the dish, cabling etc side
#40
Is there any point in getting a freesat HD box if your TV already has a freesat tuner built in? I have the Panasonic TXP42G10 which comes with freesat built in. Do these humax boxes provide better picture quality?

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