CrossCountry Train Birmingham <-> Edinburgh From £4 (standard) or £10.50 (1st Class) in June, possibly less with railcard WORKS WEEKDAYS - HotUKDeals
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Came across this when I tried to book my train ticket and a pleasant surprise to see only £4 for a single train ticket from Birmingham (New street or International) - Edinburgh Waverley (or Edinburgh - Birmingham).
The typical route is as follow but not all trains stop at every station so please check before you book the ticket.

Birmingham International Airport
Birmingham New Street
Derby
Sheffield
Wakefield Westgate
Leeds
York
Darlington
Durham
Newcastle
Berwick-upon-Tweed
Dunbar
Edinburgh

Prices as follow:

VALUE ADVANCE SINGLE C - £4.00 or £2.65 (with rail card)
VALUE ADVANCE SINGLE B - £5.00 or £3.30 (with rail card)
VALUE ADVANCE SINGLE A - £6.50 or £4.30 (with rail card)

VALUE ADVANCE 1ST SINGLE C - £10.50 or £6.95 (with rail card)
VALUE ADVANCE 1ST SINGLE B - £11.50 or £7.60 (with rail card)
VALUE ADVANCE 1ST SINGLE A - £12.50 or £8.25 (with rail card)

The price only comes out when you put Birmingham as starting station and Edinburgh as ending station, or vice versa, but if you try to search for Birmingham - Newcastle the price would be much higher. It's still a good price if you wish to alight at the intermediate stops, for example from Birmingham/Edinburgh to Newcastle/Durham/York/Leeds/Sheffield etc.

Personally I booked myself a 1st Class ticket (with railcard) at £8.25 - can't be better for a 5-hr+ trip!

Added info
This works on week days too,I just booked a Wednesday too.....brill offer.
- hotscot
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#1
banned#2
you are right, it is cheaper then national express
#3
Works on weekdays too
This is a brilliant offer,as i just got 3 returns for 2 adults and 1 child for £13.90 total with the free railcard....it cost a £1 for the child :w00t: great for going onto other places,as so cheap,as I am......:thumbsup:
Journey 1 : EDINBURGH WAVERLEY to BIRMINGHAM NEW STREET @ GBP 6.30
Discounted Adult Fare GBP 5.30 (2 @ GBP 2.65)
Discounted Child Fare GBP 1.00 (1 @ GBP 1.00)
Journey 2 : BIRMINGHAM NEW STREET to EDINBURGH WAVERLEY @ GBP 7.60
Discounted Adult Fare GBP 6.60 (2 @ GBP 3.30)
Discounted Child Fare GBP 1.00 (1 @ GBP 1.00)
#4
I'm obviously doing something wrong - June 21st gives prices of £192 and £584!!!!


Edit: you need to select "single could be cheaper". Still don't get £4 mind...but deffo lots cheaper.
#5
ourdave;1867083
I'm obviously doing something wrong - June 21st gives prices of £192 and £584!!!!


Edit: you need to select "single could be cheaper". Still don't get £4 mind...but deffo lots cheaper.

Yes need to book as singles,takes a bit longer,but fot the price I don't mind at all :thumbsup:
I think maybe the title is a bit misleading as it needs to say,singles and weekdays :)
#6
Birmingham to Edinburgh
Travel dates: Various Jun dates

By Travelzoo Staff
UK train travel can be notoriously expensive, which is why we love this offer from Cross Country Trains: single tickets between Birmingham and Edinburgh for the crazy price of just £4 per person! less with railcard :w00t:
Tickets are available on selected dates in June. We found the best availability on Saturdays. but weekdays are available too:thumbsup:

Budget fares are also on offer for £5 and £6.50pp.

How to book: To book this offer with Cross Country Trains, click here and enter your details into the ‘Plan your journey’ box. [COLOR=red]You’ll need to book the outbound and return leg separately in order to get hold of the lowest fares.[/COLOR] Note: you'll need to select 'Edinburgh Waverley' from the station options.
#7
Alighting before the destignation is illegal and is removing income from the industry I work in. I am all for low fares and obtaining the best deal but you can do that legally.
#8
Erin
Alighting before the destignation is illegal and is removing income from the industry I work in. I am all for low fares and obtaining the best deal but you can do that legally.


The National Rail Conditions of Carriage specifically state:

"16. Starting, breaking or ending a journey at intermediate stations
You may start, or break and resume, a journey (in either direction in the case of a
return ticket) at any intermediate station, as long as the ticket you hold is valid for
the trains you want to use. You may also end your journey (in either direction in
the case of a return ticket) before the destination shown on the ticket. However,
these rights may not apply to some types of tickets for which a break of journey is
prohibited, in which case the relevant Train Companies will make this clear in their
notices and other publications.
" (My emphasis)

So if you intend to END your journey prematurely the fact that your ticket (probably for a specific train all the way from Brum->Eburgh) wouldn't be able to take you on from that early station to the final station wouldn't matter.

So just need to check if the "type of ticket" sold here makes it clear whether a break of journey is prohibited (otherwise the CofC say its NOT prohibited).
#9
Erin
Alighting before the destignation is illegal and is removing income from the industry I work in. I am all for low fares and obtaining the best deal but you can do that legally.


I don't really see what the problem is if you've paid for the full journey? Surely they cannot hold you prisoner on the train until the actual destination mentioned on your ticket! Public transport in the UK is already a rip-off - and I'd rather pay a promotional advance price for my ticket than pay full whack. If anyone had the nerve to actually tell me off for getting off the train early, I'd just tell them that it was an advance ticket and my plans changed.
#10
I think its the return journey that they "get" you on, where they see you've boarded the train at a later stop than your ticket, and claim its invalid.

Personally, I dont understand this particular rule at all. Erin says that it denies his industry revenue, but if I were to get off a train a couple of stops early, (or board a few late) surely this represents a small cost saving to the train operator. After all, they now don't need to haul my heavy backside quite as far!
#11
hotscot
Birmingham to Edinburgh
Travel dates: Various Jun dates

By Travelzoo Staff
UK train travel can be notoriously expensive, which is why we love this offer from Cross Country Trains: single tickets between Birmingham and Edinburgh for the crazy price of just £4 per person! less with railcard :w00t:
Tickets are available on selected dates in June. We found the best availability on Saturdays. but weekdays are available too:thumbsup:

Budget fares are also on offer for £5 and £6.50pp.

How to book: To book this offer with Cross Country Trains, click here and enter your details into the ‘Plan your journey’ box. [COLOR=red]You’ll need to book the outbound and return leg separately in order to get hold of the lowest fares.[/COLOR] Note: you'll need to select 'Edinburgh Waverley' from the station options.



I'm quite sure they got this info from HotUKDeal in my thread!
#12
Bekah;1867628
I don't really see what the problem is if you've paid for the full journey? Surely they cannot hold you prisoner on the train until the actual destination mentioned on your ticket! Public transport in the UK is already a rip-off - and I'd rather pay a promotional advance price for my ticket than pay full whack. If anyone had the nerve to actually tell me off for getting off the train early, I'd just tell them that it was an advance ticket and my plans changed.

It is called theft and breaking the law. What you want to do does not remove your obligations under the contract you agree by purchasing the ticket and you stand the chance of being charged the open single fare by doing so.
#13
Not worth the risk in my mind. they want well over 200 quid for an open single. wouldnt risk it personally. on the otherhand £4 to visit birmingham from edinburgh DEAL!!!
#14
Erin;1867523
Alighting before the destignation is illegal and is removing income from the industry I work in. I am all for low fares and obtaining the best deal but you can do that legally.

..then the industry you work in needs to offer, fair consistent pricing that enables train travellers not to have to search for offers or loopholes in order to beat the extortionate open single fares.
#15
mk-donald
The National Rail Conditions of Carriage specifically state:

"16. Starting, breaking or ending a journey at intermediate stations
You may start, or break and resume, a journey (in either direction in the case of a
return ticket) at any intermediate station, as long as the ticket you hold is valid for
the trains you want to use. You may also end your journey (in either direction in
the case of a return ticket) before the destination shown on the ticket. However,
these rights may not apply to some types of tickets for which a break of journey is
prohibited, in which case the relevant Train Companies will make this clear in their
notices and other publications.
" (My emphasis)

So if you intend to END your journey prematurely the fact that your ticket (probably for a specific train all the way from Brum->Eburgh) wouldn't be able to take you on from that early station to the final station wouldn't matter.

So just need to check if the "type of ticket" sold here makes it clear whether a break of journey is prohibited (otherwise the CofC say its NOT prohibited).


Got this from their website for this ticket - see break of journey:

http://www.crosscountry.trainsfares.co.uk/Buy_Tickets/matrix/display_ticket_terms.asp?Out_ticket_type=FCS&Return_ticket_type=
[INDENT]Value Advance First Single C
DESCRIPTION

Heavily discounted advance purchase First Class ticket.
BOOKING DEADLINES

Seats must be booked by 18:00 one day before travel, and are subject to availability
DISCOUNTS

Standard railcard discounts apply to these fares with the exception of the Family Railcard. Child discounts are 50%.
REFUNDS

None - all Value Advance First fares are non-refundable.
CHANGES TO TRAVEL PLAN

Until departure, GBP10.00 (admin fee) per ticket plus any difference in cost between the ticket held and the new ticket bought - as an advance purchase ticket, availability of the same price cannot be guaranteed. It is not possible to change any Value Advance First ticket after the booked departure time or, at any stage, to amend the initial journey origin and or destination.
CONDITIONS

Controlled availability ticket valid for travel on date and time specified on ticket only. Reservations are compulsory and must be made at the time of booking.
BREAK OF JOURNEY

Break(s) of journey are not allowed, although necessary changes of train are permitted.
AVAILABILITY


Subject to availability, can be used on any day of the week (including public holidays).
VALIDITY

Value Advance First fares are subject to availability - more seats are usually made available on less busy trains. For greater flexibility, all Value Advance First fares are sold as singles: if you wish to make a return journey, you will be sold the best available price at the time of purchase.[/INDENT]

Anyone know what this actually means?
#16
mk-donald
The National Rail Conditions of Carriage specifically state:

"16. Starting, breaking or ending a journey at intermediate stations
You may start, or break and resume, a journey (in either direction in the case of a
return ticket) at any intermediate station, as long as the ticket you hold is valid for
the trains you want to use. You may also end your journey (in either direction in
the case of a return ticket) before the destination shown on the ticket. However,
these rights may not apply to some types of tickets for which a break of journey is
prohibited, in which case the relevant Train Companies will make this clear in their
notices and other publications.
" (My emphasis)

So if you intend to END your journey prematurely the fact that your ticket (probably for a specific train all the way from Brum->Eburgh) wouldn't be able to take you on from that early station to the final station wouldn't matter.

So just need to check if the "type of ticket" sold here makes it clear whether a break of journey is prohibited (otherwise the CofC say its NOT prohibited).


annoyingly, the conditions for all the 'advance' tickets say that breaks of journey are prohibited:
BREAK OF JOURNEY

Break(s) of journey are not allowed, although necessary changes of train are permitted.


which is a bit of a pain.
#17
Erin.. Catch a grip of yourself eh :lol: And get off your high horse..
#18
eyebaws;1868183
Erin.. Catch a grip of yourself eh :lol: And get off your high horse..

How would you like it if I came and stole off you? Well I don't like people stealing from me meaning I get lower pay rises and passengers get worse trains all because someone decided the law didn't apply to them.
#19
Psssh sounds rediculous,

If you want to get off a stop earlier then nothing will happenen, don't worry.
#20
[QUOTE=Erin]Alighting before the destignation is illegal and is removing income from the industry I work in. I am all for low fares and obtaining the best deal but you can do that legally.[/Q


get real idiot
#21
Erin
How would you like it if I came and stole off you? Well I don't like people stealing from me meaning I get lower pay rises and passengers get worse trains all because someone decided the law didn't apply to them.


hahahaha.. This just gets better.. Are you at the windup????? Your fishing here surely?
2 Likes #22

ourdave:
Explain the "theft" thing. How is it theft, or are you making that bit up to be dramatic?
If I get a ticket to Edinburgh, are you really saying it's illegal for me to get off in Leeds? You'll have to explain that particular law to me - because it seems like you're talking bollox.
Go read the law on contracts, it explains all. It is theft because by buying a ticket, which is a contract between you and the operator, and you are charge a fare accordingly. The shorter fare may be dearer, therefore, you, by alighting, have breached your contract with the operator and deprived them of revenue, theft. So yes, by getting of the train, except to complete your journey (and if they are advanced fares, they are normally to a specific train), you will likely breach the conditions of travel and are liable for the full single fare for that journey. Oh, as a parting comment, ignorance of the law is no excuse so your profanity is misplaced and inappropriate in these forums.


honestly, ridiculous. Go somewhere else. This is a moneysaving forum and this person is not breaking the law they are breaching a contract. A breach which frankly is hard to prove.

Do you really think people here are going to pay those extortionate £300 fares your 'industry' so kindly gives us the pleasure. No they're not, they wouldn't travel at all. Untill you make rail travel affordable it's your stupid fault that people break these terms.

If you want to do something useful try asking your bosses to make rail travel affordable because it's not, not at all unless of course you use loopholes like these but of course that is breaking your precious contract.

You seem to have this chip on your shoulder that somehow these people are taking money out of your pay packet. I wonder just how much money this train company will lose if these people book these tickets and get off half way between birmingham and edinburgh? Probably nothing, infact they'll probably make more money as at least another person will buy a ticket. Most of your frankly **** trains are overcrowded anyway. The number of times I've had to pay full price for a ticket and had to stand up for the WHOLE journey, five hours of it. Your industry is ****, it's appalling. the service is terrible, it's a complete sham you should feel ashamed to be part of it.

I tell what what is breaking a contract. Telling me I'm going to have a comfortable journey, with minimal delays.
#23
Erin
Alighting before the destignation is illegal and is removing income from the industry I work in. I am all for low fares and obtaining the best deal but you can do that legally.

How can you justify a train fare from birmingham to edinburgh (via newcastle) costing £4, while a fare from birmingham to newcastle on exactly the same train costs £40 or more! I live in newcastle and we always get ripped off like this while the scots get the best deals! (I've heard this is because there is subsidised travel to scotland to increase tourist numbers, similar to what ryanair do with flights to dublin).

Well, i have always booked (far cheaper) tickets to/from edinburgh instead of newcastle and boarded/alighted at newcastle and have never encountered any problems. All i can say is if any jobsworth did try to stop me they would be in for a big shock!
#24
Erin
How would you like it if I came and stole off you? Well I don't like people stealing from me meaning I get lower pay rises and passengers get worse trains all because someone decided the law didn't apply to them.


Maybe if you spend less time on web forums and more time actually doing some work for your "industry".

Im guessing your at work now wasting your time browsing the web, isnt that costing your "industry" money?
#25
You're taking the pee now. Do you honestly think that low rises in your pay are linked to the odd instance of people breaking their journey when the contract said they shouldn't? That's bull, this costs the train companies peanuts, infact they may even make money out of it.

Your pay rises are low because of the structure of your company, they big paycheques the people at the top make. Ask yourself this question. How can your pay rises me so low and rail travel be so unaffordable even though the train companies themselves recieve subsidies from the government?

How can you have overcrowded trains etc and you get low pay? The tickets are often extortionate and you are trying to tell me your pay rises are low because a few people buy tickets and break journeys? Absolute rubbish.
#26
Im guessing your at work now wasting your time browsing the web, isnt that costing your "industry" money?


I'd say it's a breach of contract, therefore he's stealing from his boss. I think he should be taken to court and charged with theft just like a shoplifter.
#27
If you let him wind you up any more you will get to Scotland by clockwork.
[admin]#28
Give it a rest please guys :thumbsup:
Deleting argumentative posts.
#29
sotomonkey
honestly, ridiculous. Go somewhere else. This is a moneysaving forum and this person is not breaking the law they are breaching a contract. A breach which frankly is hard to prove.


while i agree that this loophole is utterly daft, and people should exploit it to the maximum, breaking a journey is very definitely against the terms and conditions of these advance tickets, and presumably it is quite easy to get caught if (for example) you have to show your tickets to get onto the platform, as more and more stations seem to require these days?

if you pitch up at leeds station with an advance ticket starting in edinburgh, surely that'll ring some bells? especially as, courtesy of this thread, they now have two months advance notice to put extra checks in place while the promotion is running...
#30
suggestion in that case, for an easier life:

buy an extra ticket for the cheapest local route to the station you are getting off at early (maybe £2.00). E.g. Gravely Hill to Birmingham New St.

You then have:
1. A ticket that was valid for the long distance that cost you £4
2. A ticket that will let you smoothly alight at your prefered destination station for £2, no questions asked at the exit barrier...
#31
they now have two months advance notice to put extra checks in place while the promotion is running...

Conductor 1: attention all train staff, we have possible unauthorised alighting passengers between Birmingham and Edinburgh

Conductor 2: 10/4

Conductor 3: Roger that, ticket machine armed and ready

Conductor 2: I'm at the gates in position.

Conductor 3: Target spotted, there he is grab him

Passenger 1: What seems to be the problem officer

Conductor 3: We have been reliably informed by one of our internet staff, who often wastes time at work frequenting a deal forum that there's a possibility you might be trying to leave at this station. May I inform you that in doingso you will be stealing some of my wages. Look, doesnt my ticket machine look big?

Passenger 1: I see, do they check tickets at the next station?

Conductor 3: No they don't

Passenger 1: oh I see, well I better get my train, see you later. Hope you get a rise in pay soon.

Conductor 3: *whispers* that little thief.
#32
punkrjb
suggestion in that case, for an easier life:

buy an extra ticket for the cheapest local route to the station you are getting off at early (maybe £2.00). E.g. Gravely Hill to Birmingham New St.

You then have:
1. A ticket that was valid for the long distance that cost you £4
2. A ticket that will let you smoothly alight at your prefered destination station for £2, no questions asked at the exit barrier...


now that is the kind of lateral thinking i like! sure sign of a well-trained criminal mind :p

if i recall correctly, a single from university to new street is £1 with a railcard, so that actually makes a lot of sense! an extra £2 both ways and nothing the jobsworths can do :)
#33
sotomonkey
Conductor 1: attention all train staff, we have possible unauthorised alighting passengers between Birmingham and Edinburgh

Conductor 2: 10/4

Conductor 3: Roger that, ticket machine armed and ready

Conductor 2: I'm at the gates in position.

Conductor 3: Target spotted, there he is grab him

Passenger 1: What seems to be the problem officer

Conductor 3: We have been reliably informed by one of our internet staff, who often wastes time at work frequenting a deal forum that there's a possibility you might be trying to leave at this station. May I inform you that in doingso you will be stealing some of my wages. Look, doesnt my ticket machine look big?

Passenger 1: I see, do they check tickets at the next station?

Conductor 3: No they don't

Passenger 1: oh I see, well I better get my train, see you later. Hope you get a rise in pay soon.

Conductor 3: *whispers* that little thief.


not quite what i had in mind, but funny nonetheless. in reality all it would take is for the staff blocking the entrance barriers to the platforms to keep an eye out for advance tickets being used at the wrong departure point and they've got you on technical breach of the conditions of carriage, which i suppose is like attempting to travel without a ticket at all. all that would mean is that you'd have to buy another ticket to get home/where you're going.

not that they'd bother of course, most likely. more often than not you could colour a piece of paper in with an orange crayon and they'd let you past, but you can never tell for sure. still the method described above would easily solve that problem.
banned#34
yeah its not a bad deal, but its free for me, I have free train travel around the UK.. its great.. cant beat that deal
#35
I'm sorry I've been behaving like abit of an ****, it's almost the end of the week.

I've noticed that sometimes the conductors don't even stamp your ticket., meaning you can get an extra journey out of a return.

Sometimes too the ink that they stamp the ticket with rubs off with no effort whatsoever, I didn't mean to do it to be honest but just noticed that it started rubbing off after being stamped which again makes it look like a new ticket.
#36
Just booked me, the wife and our two kids for 22 quid return. Heat ADDED!!!!! :-)
#37
Nice deal.

What is there to see and do in Birmingham, then?

I'll be able to get on the train at Edinburgh, Waverley and get off at Birmingham, so I will be able to sleep easy at night, knowing that I won't be stealing from Erin's industry! ;-)
#38
Erin
How would you like it if I came and stole off you? Well I don't like people stealing from me meaning I get lower pay rises and passengers get worse trains all because someone decided the law didn't apply to them.


So what you're saying is, if I wanted the stop before edinburgh, instead of paying £4, I should pay over £100...this is hotukdeals mate, not idiots anonymous, if you're truely that stupid, and have that kind of money to waste, then the shambles of an industry you work in is clearly paying you too much, and providing the consumers too little...is it really too much to ask to get a seat on a train? or for it to even turn up on time?

I wouldn't be so proud and upstanding if I were you to be honest....
#39
I`ve voted hot what a great deal.i`ve just tried it starting from Peterborough and got a return journey for £28.10 rather than £97.Thanks
#40
Single out of Birmingham looks like a bargain at any price!!! :whistling:

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