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Cheap dell server, free delivery and £99 ex vat makes it ~£117 delivered. Comes with 512Mb ram, 2ghz dual core, 2x80gb hard drives, 1 year next-day on-site warranty.

Great, quiet server. Requires ecc ram and won't take a graphics card without modifications though.

4% = £3.96 quidco cashback too (although seems to track at £4.95)

Can now upgrade to a 48x CDRW and DVD combo drive free of charge, no big deal but its the small things that count ;)
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#1
oooo - this is quite tempting to replace my aging SC420.....good spot :-D
#2
it says the maximum internal storage is 1TB. Do this mean you can't hook up 2 * 1TB drives and get 2TB storage does anyone know?
#3
davidegee
it says the maximum internal storage is 1TB. Do this mean you can't hook up 2 * 1TB drives and get 2TB storage does anyone know?


Pretty sure you can. (EDIT: we have a 750g seagate + 2x250g WD disks installed in the one at work, so it's definitely not limited to 1TB max)

Lots of details from the last time this offer was available...
#4
deal looks good, and I'm looking to buy an entry level server within next 2months so I'm v interested.
without going into horrendous tech detail, can anybody say how this compares to a HP alternative such as this £107 server heavily recommended in a recent deal and still available at some other retailers under £120?
#5
Flipd
deal looks good, and I'm looking to buy an entry level server within next 2months so I'm v interested.
without going into horrendous tech detail, can anybody say how this compares to a HP alternative such as this £107 server heavily recommended in a recent deal and still available at some other retailers under £120?


It has a faster processor, less memory, two hard drives (this is a plus or a minus, depending on your priorities :-). The dell is significantly quieter, and of higher build quality IMHO.

We have had issues trying to install XP on the HP machine, driver issues, but this may be our sysadmin's fault :-). The dell will install dell's XP cd straight off. Note that the HP will limit a graphics card to 1x, but the dell will run at 4x *if* you physically mod the motherboard or graphics card to fit.
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Amazing deal. One question though - i was aware that there were motherboards that could take both Pentium® Dual-Core Processor and Xeon Dual Core Processors? Also would i be able to upgrade to a core 2 duo later?
#7
foobie
(this Delll server)... has a faster processor, less memory, two hard drives (this is a plus or a minus, depending on your priorities :-). The dell is significantly quieter, and of higher build quality IMHO..


thanks. so in essence the Dell is argueably better specified, and I need to balance that against the additional two years (total 3 years) next-day warranty that comes with the H.P. that would cost another £100 from Dell.
arghh, decisions, decisions! :thinking:
#8
foobie
It has a faster processor, less memory, two hard drives (this is a plus or a minus, depending on your priorities :-). The dell is significantly quieter, and of higher build quality IMHO.

We have had issues trying to install XP on the HP machine, driver issues, but this may be our sysadmin's fault :-). The dell will install dell's XP cd straight off. Note that the HP will limit a graphics card to 1x, but the dell will run at 4x *if* you physically mod the motherboard or graphics card to fit.


Hi

The specs. at the pcwb site list the mobo as having PCIe x 16.

Check here:

http://www.pcwb.com/catalogue/item/TVHP0209

Anyone know for sure what is correct?
#9
Alot of hardware for not much money at all!
#10
And free delivery!!!!

Sub-total £99.00 17.50 % £116.33
Total Delivery Charge £49.00 17.50 % £57.58
Delivery Charge Discount -£49.00 17.50 % -£57.58
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Total Price £99.00 £116.33
#11
Yes, these ultra-cheap server deals are usually cheaper than buying the components and putting them together yourself.
#12
Tralala
And what will delivery be? Never cheap with Dell when charged.


The price is with delivery.
#13
Hot. I just ordered one. ;)
#14
Don't get fooled by the Pentium Dual Core. This is a really slow chip, completely different from Core Duo and Core 2 Duo, notice how the cache is only 1MB, awful. And this motherboard doesn't support Core Duo and above so isn't very upgradeable. I'd say only buy this if you have no spares lying around to build a server from, as you could do a lot better even just buying a new mobo, cpu and memory using your existing case, psu and hd. E.g. you could get a 945G mobo for £30, Brand new processor - Core 2 Duo E7200 2.57Ghz £80, and 2GB 667Mhz Ram for £20. And that would be pretty decent machine.
#15
zebrum;2260685
E.g. you could get a 945G mobo for £30, Brand new processor - Core 2 Duo E7200 2.57Ghz £80, and 2GB 667Mhz Ram for £20. And that would be pretty decent machine.
Yes, but it wouldn't be a server. This is a server, designed to be used as such 24/7 in a business envirionment without failing rather than something built out of old bits you've got lying around.
For anyone buying one of these, I would suggest paying upgrading to 2Gb (£37?) and you have a fine machine.
#16
Quidco is pre vat and pre delivery. Even though it says it is free delivery they still take £60 off when calculating quidco. so Quidco will be about £1.56.
#17
zebrum
Don't get fooled by the Pentium Dual Core. This is a really slow chip, completely different from Core Duo and Core 2 Duo, notice how the cache is only 1MB, awful.


I think that's a bit harsh on the poor little chip! Depending on the application, they're actually pretty good. Xbitlabs have a review of the E2140/E2160 here, and they stack up very well against the budget competition. Check out the benchmarks in the review, and bear in mind that the E2180 in the Dell is higher clocked. The review conclusions are here.

Fair enough, large cache is important in a lot of server applications but I'd have thought that a £99 server isn't really targeted at hosting e.g. a business-critical database. For the target market, I think it's a great spec.
#18
zebrum
Don't get fooled by the Pentium Dual Core. This is a really slow chip, completely different from Core Duo and Core 2 Duo, notice how the cache is only 1MB, awful. And this motherboard doesn't support Core Duo and above so isn't very upgradeable.


Thats utter guff.

This chip is the same architecture as the other lower end Core2Duos -> its a 65nm Allendale core just like the E4xxx and E6300/E6400 series with some cache disabled.

Its actually pretty nippy and overclocks well in a decent mobo. For £100 for a whole system its a fantastic CPU, it will easily handle office/internet/media/games.

I can't see why if it takes an E2180 it won't take a higher C2Duo either.

Its not like the old pentium Ds which is what you may be thinking of.
#19
zebrum
Don't get fooled by the Pentium Dual Core. This is a really slow chip, completely different from Core Duo and Core 2 Duo, notice how the cache is only 1MB, awful. And this motherboard doesn't support Core Duo and above so isn't very upgradeable. I'd say only buy this if you have no spares lying around to build a server from, as you could do a lot better even just buying a new mobo, cpu and memory using your existing case, psu and hd. E.g. you could get a 945G mobo for £30, Brand new processor - Core 2 Duo E7200 2.57Ghz £80, and 2GB 667Mhz Ram for £20. And that would be pretty decent machine.


Argh, please use google before you pluck these statements out of thin air, i.e. the first page of results contains this: http://www.davtar.org/blog/?p=24 where some guy mentions he put in a core 2 quad.

I will admit that if you are going to use this as a desktop replacement you will want to upgrade the graphics card to something like an x1650 (cheap ~£30) and get a 16x > 8x pci-express adapter
#20
[FONT=Arial]Looks like a great & cheap opportunity to setup a Windows Home Server (WHS) system. If i hadn't already built my own, i may well have gone for this deal.[/FONT]
#21
This sounds like a hot deal. Can anyone confirm if this works with ESX server? Is the network card compatible?
#22
n00b
This sounds like a hot deal. Can anyone confirm if this works with ESX server? Is the network card compatible?


Great deal this hot ,,, i got this last time it was on offer,
The onboard network card is a broadcom based chipset absolutly fine with VMWare

I run a linux server on this and can stream an X server @ 1920x1200 via the lan no problem with this onboard ATI graphics chip

a good solid buy, want a server cheap? get it :-D
#23
zebrum
Don't get fooled by the Pentium Dual Core. This is a really slow chip, completely different from Core Duo and Core 2 Duo, notice how the cache is only 1MB, awful. And this motherboard doesn't support Core Duo and above so isn't very upgradeable.


That's funny - my SC440, purchased last time this was hot, is happily running a Core 2 Quad Q6600 at 2.4GHz with 8MB of cache - which cost £140 or so - a bit more than the machine itself. (The spare CPU is now in a 'Hackintosh' system running Apple OSX, but that's another story!).

Re. the graphics upgrade options, the machine has a 16x PCI-E slot, but it won't run a graphics card higher than 1x. The system also has a PCI-E 4x slot (physically it's an 8x size, but it runs at 4x). So, to upgrade the graphics, get a cheap graphics card (I got a fanless Nvidia 7300GS for £25 or so) and cut out a three pin sized slot in the right spot (count the pins carefully to work out where PCI-E 8x starts) using a junior hacksaw (two thin cuts, then snap out the bit in the middle with pliers and file carefully to taste) - then it fits in the 4x slot and works fine (though I'm not into gaming, so Ican't speak for that).

Stick in some ECC server RAM (£32 or so for 2 x 1GB), a sound card, a Samsung Spinpoint terabyte drive and £15 for a DVD-writer, install your choice of OS - Vista runs well (even on the original dual-core chip), as does Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) and you're away...

All in a quiet, beautifully engineered metal server case with decent quality components. The peace and quiet and coolness compared with my previous system is such a blessing, expecially at this time of year.

If you're going with Windows, get the chipset drivers from Intel here:
http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Product_Filter.aspx?ProductID=816

...and the Broadcom 5754 Netxtreme gigabit network drivers here:
http://www.broadcom.com/support/ethernet_nic/netxtreme_desktop.php

There's an old but worthwhile review of the system here:
http://www.trustedreviews.com/networking/review/2006/12/26/Dell-PowerEdge-SC440/p1
#24
thanks for posting this!

any ideas if the cpu/server supports Intel-VT so I can use it with windows 2008 server hyper-v?

thanks.
#25
bindadesi
thanks for posting this!

any ideas if the cpu/server supports Intel-VT so I can use it with windows 2008 server hyper-v?

thanks.


Don't think Allendale cores have VT.
#26
maxp
Amazing deal. One question though - i was aware that there were motherboards that could take both Pentium® Dual-Core Processor and Xeon Dual Core Processors? Also would i be able to upgrade to a core 2 duo later?

The Xeon’s in question are the LGA775 versions which are rebadged Core 2 Duo chips. The other Xeons for 2+ socket systems are LGA771.
The Pentium Dual core is another Core 2 Duo but with a smaller cache that has just been given a different name.

zebrum
Don't get fooled by the Pentium Dual Core. This is a really slow chip, completely different from Core Duo and Core 2 Duo, notice how the cache is only 1MB, awful. And this motherboard doesn't support Core Duo and above so isn't very upgradeable.

That’s completely wrong. If you look at the spec page for this system you’ll see that it always you to choose various CPUs most of which are Xeon badged Core 2 Duos.

According to Dell’s Forums this board will ‘seemingly’ accept 4x2GB of RAM even though it only officially supports 4x1GB.

Review here - http://www.trustedreviews.com/networking/review/2006/12/26/Dell-PowerEdge-SC440/p1 “Verdict - A well specified entry-level server that is solidly designed and built and is as quiet as a mouse.”
#27
shane8960
Quidco is pre vat and pre delivery. Even though it says it is free delivery they still take £60 off when calculating quidco. so Quidco will be about £1.56.


I got £4.95 last time, but that may be at 5%. Have quidco recently dropped to 4% on dell?

To reiterate though, this machine is *not* very good as a desktop without some fairly serious faffing (cutting the graphics card with a hacksaw). The onboard graphics are the worst I have seen in the last 10 years or so, I'm not entirely sure if they even do 2d acceleration. Using it at 1920x1200 was painful under windows. A remote X session is different - the processing is done at the client end.

I'm not sure it will work with c2d chips, and would definitely dissuade anyone from buying one on the assumption that they will fit. The onboard cpu *is* pretty nippy though.

Just done some measuring, and the HP machine is pulling 5W off, 95W idle vs the dell's 1W off, 54W idle. The HP is being a reet PITA - no option in the bios to use the graphics card I inserted. And the HP is *really* noisy.
#28
got this one on last offer using it as desktop upgraded ram to 2gb ecc add sound card and graphic it flyies
#29
foobie
I got £4.95 last time, but that may be at 5%. Have quidco recently dropped to 4% on dell?

To reiterate though, this machine is *not* very good as a desktop without some fairly serious faffing (cutting the graphics card with a hacksaw). The onboard graphics are the worst I have seen in the last 10 years or so, I'm not entirely sure if they even do 2d acceleration. Using it at 1920x1200 was painful under windows. A remote X session is different - the processing is done at the client end.

I'm not sure it will work with c2d chips, and would definitely dissuade anyone from buying one on the assumption that they will fit. The onboard cpu *is* pretty nippy though.

Just done some measuring, and the HP machine is pulling 5W off, 95W idle vs the dell's 1W off, 54W idle. The HP is being a reet PITA - no option in the bios to use the graphics card I inserted. And the HP is *really* noisy.


You dont need to do any hacking, just buy a 16x > 8x pcie adapter
#30
I'm a bit confused about the raid options on this machine :?
Why can't you configure the raid as you please when you get it home?
Oh I get it now there isn't raid at all at this price :?
add £68 for raid DOH!
#31
maxp
You dont need to do any hacking, just buy a 16x > 8x pcie adapter


the adapter is very rare and expensive
#32
Anyone have this know some cheap places for 2GB or 1GB RAM sticks (Also which ones exactly)

Thanks
#33
MeDDers
I'm a bit confused about the raid options on this machine :?
Why can't you configure the raid as you please when you get it home?


Raid isn't configured on the machine - it has no OS installed and no hardware raid. Just two hard drives that you can bind together in software raid (md in linux, volume manager(?) in windows).

HTH!
#34
ukpbz
Anyone have this know some cheap places for 2GB or 1GB RAM sticks (Also which ones exactly)

Thanks


Crucial, always crucial. Guaranteed to work, not that expensive. You want pc2 5300 (667 mhz) ECC ram, but you are better off getting it from crucial if you want it to work. The machine is picky about ram, and *will* reject non-ecc ram. It will also reject unpaired ram, with the exception of the shipped configuration with 512Mb in slot 0. Crucial don't sell 2gb sticks for it, so it's on your head if you want to try. Please report back for others if you do :-)
#35
ukpbz
Anyone have this know some cheap places for 2GB or 1GB RAM sticks (Also which ones exactly)

Thanks


it s ddr2 sdram ecc non registered the machine usually comes with 1x512mb and you could get an extra 3x512mb to make it 2gb as the machine have 4 memory slots
#36
Can't quite understand why people are having issues with the HP ML115 with regards to XP and gfx card installs.

The HP XP Pro install CD worked without issue (used the recovery CD for my HP laptop), drivers off the included CD (for 32bit Server 2003) worked fine, a PCI-e 16x graphics card works without any changes to BIOS/hardware (nVidia 8400GS), no issues at all.

It is definately more noisy than the SC430, although this is simply because HP run the fans faster at idle.

3 Year warranty on the HP, I presume the Dell is 1 to get this price.

I'd be happy with either, but given the HP takes a decent gfx card easier and has longer warranty, I'd go HP.
#37
foobie
I got £4.95 last time, but that may be at 5%. Have quidco recently dropped to 4% on dell?

For the Home site yes but there’s a separate link for Dell SMB which is still 5% - http://www.quidco.com/dell-smb/

foobie
I'm not sure it will work with c2d chips, and would definitely dissuade anyone from buying one on the assumption that they will fit. The onboard cpu *is* pretty nippy though.

They will certainly fit as the Xeons for this are rebadged C2D chips and ‘usually’ the BIOS will accept them as they are electrically identical.

foobie
Just done some measuring, and the HP machine is pulling 5W off, 95W idle vs the dell's 1W off, 54W idle. The HP is being a reet PITA - no option in the bios to use the graphics card I inserted. And the HP is *really* noisy.

54W is very low even for a basic server so I assume you don’t have 2 hard drives installed in it?
#38
the_fbi
Can't quite understand why people are having issues with the HP ML115 with regards to XP and gfx card installs.

The HP XP Pro install CD worked without issue (used the recovery CD for my HP laptop), drivers off the included CD (for 32bit Server 2003) worked fine, a PCI-e 16x graphics card works without any changes to BIOS/hardware (nVidia 8400GS), no issues at all.

It is definately more noisy than the SC430, although this is simply because HP run the fans faster at idle.

3 Year warranty on the HP, I presume the Dell is 1 to get this price.

I'd be happy with either, but given the HP takes a decent gfx card easier and has longer warranty, I'd go HP.

Don't forget the HP also comes with a four port raid controller, which should be good for Raid 0,1 and 5 :thumbsup:
#39
rainforest
the adapter is very rare and expensive


Yes further research proves you're completely right - looks like i'll be voiding at warranty.

Edit:some useful reading:

http://www.davtar.org/blog/?p=24 and http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055196950 and to a lesser extent http://thebsdbox.co.uk/?p=21
#40
does the sc440 support hyper-v?? with a bigger cpu.

want to run windows 2008 hypervisor version

If i upgrade to a Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4GHz 95W G0 Stepping (Retail 775) can i run hyper-v ???

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