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Dell Poweredge T20 Xeon, 4Gb, 1Tb £299.94 (£219.94 after Dell Cashback) @ServersPlus

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Decent entry level Dell server, Dell currently offering £80 Cashback making it £219.94. Ideal server as a Home NAS/Media/VM Host server if you want a little more grunt than a HP Microserver can off… Read More
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Decent entry level Dell server, Dell currently offering £80 Cashback making it £219.94.

Ideal server as a Home NAS/Media/VM Host server if you want a little more grunt than a HP Microserver can offer.

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#1
Seems pretty good for the cashback price. I wonder how it would perform 24/7 with vms.

Can you get away with standard DDR 3?
2 Likes #2
TeamMCS
Seems pretty good for the cashback price. I wonder how it would perform 24/7 with vms.
Can you get away with standard DDR 3?
Mine runs 24/7 with 4 or 5 hyper-v running on windows.

Standard DDR 3 works fine too, I have 24gb in mine.
#4
lbphillips
TeamMCS
Seems pretty good for the cashback price. I wonder how it would perform 24/7 with vms.
Can you get away with standard DDR 3?
Mine runs 24/7 with 4 or 5 hyper-v running on windows.

Standard DDR 3 works fine too, I have 24gb in mine.

What's the power @ wall numbers like?
#5
TeamMCS
lbphillips
TeamMCS
Seems pretty good for the cashback price. I wonder how it would perform 24/7 with vms.
Can you get away with standard DDR 3?
Mine runs 24/7 with 4 or 5 hyper-v running on windows.

Standard DDR 3 works fine too, I have 24gb in mine.

What's the power @ wall numbers like?


This. I'd be interested to see how the power usage compares to the Microserver
#6
would this be any good for plex? streaming 2 x 1080p (to laptop and a new amazon fire tv box)

Edited By: poison3k on Dec 02, 2016 13:45: words
1 Like #7
I have no way of measuring power draw, sorry.

I run plex server, on windows 10, in a hyper-v container, it manages to easily serve 2 devices at the same time - while several other VMs are running on the T20 box too.
1 Like #8
similarly I'm running Plex on a Win 2016 VMWare VM along with a Win10 VM and a MacOS VM and it happily streams multiple 1080p streams to clients around the house at the same time.

Now I'm not sure how it would handle multiple Plex streams if they were all being transcoded at the same time but it's fine with the odd one transcoding. All depends on what format your Plex clients need. If they will happily playback the streams native then you'll have no issues.

Mine was bought as the lower spec Pentium dual core server then I picked up a cheap Xeon CPU on eBay (£35) as this works out much cheaper (Dual core T20 only cost me £75! and i had spare disk and Ram kicking around)

My VM's are running on SSD storage though which does make a huge performance difference and the ESXi OS is running from a 4gb USB stick.

Edited By: Uridium on Dec 02, 2016 15:08
#9
wish I had the money the microserver gen8 has been retired in favour or a normal i3 pc it was just too noisy didn't like my 3tb hard drives they ran too hot and the graphics card noisy annoying thing this would be ideal
1 Like #10
TeamMCS
lbphillips
TeamMCS
Seems pretty good for the cashback price. I wonder how it would perform 24/7 with vms.
Can you get away with standard DDR 3?
Mine runs 24/7 with 4 or 5 hyper-v running on windows.
Standard DDR 3 works fine too, I have 24gb in mine.
What's the power @ wall numbers like?

There's idle power draw numbers here

http://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f101/dell-poweredge-t20-1031138.html
1 Like #11
Have one of these its been on 24/7 for 18 months it has Windows 10 Pro, 16gb of stock DDR3 1866 which i think it downclocks to 1600mhz and 4x 3tb WD reds and a external 5tb drive and hasn't missed a beat. I run a Plex sever on it and serve 3-4 1080p streams no issue at all over the net to friends and family. I have another couple of HDD's to go into it but i had to buy a PCIE Sata card and some power splitters, its a rock solid server it replaced a HP N54l which ive got boxed for emergencies i had a bit of a issue installing windows onto it as some of the drivers are hard to get as its sold as a server and not meant to run a home OS but i had no choice because some of the apps i run wouldnt work but stuck with it and found them.
#12
TeamMCS
Seems pretty good for the cashback price. I wonder how it would perform 24/7 with vms.

Can you get away with standard DDR 3?


I have the same spec (pretty much) in my Lenovo Thinkserver and it's been running 4 VMs 24/7 for just short of 2 years. I'm running 16GB RAM and now thinking about a 1TB SSD but concerned on the life span of a 24/7 SSD.

Great value this machine, though!

Edited By: Keydogg on Dec 02, 2016 19:52: added brand
#13
processor seems very close to the i5 6500 which was what I was looking for. Main difference is the i5 uses a small fabrication size so it runs cooler and uses less power. Anyone know anything else on the differences?
#14
beard7
processor seems very close to the i5 6500 which was what I was looking for. Main difference is the i5 uses a small fabrication size so it runs cooler and uses less power. Anyone know anything else on the differences?

Its a V3 so will be Haswell (as opposed to Skylake) which makes it more or less identical to the i5-4570 bar a few minor differences such as the internal graphics and the Xeon supports ECC RAM.

Intel Comparison
2 Likes #15
Home servers are to me like optical drives, no longer really necessary, unless you have a horrendous Internet connection. I have deprecated all servers in my house, they're all virtual now and all content is Internet based. Also as a home lab they're becoming redundant due to GNS3 and other software solutions. Death to home servers!
#16
TomScrut
beard7
processor seems very close to the i5 6500 which was what I was looking for. Main difference is the i5 uses a small fabrication size so it runs cooler and uses less power. Anyone know anything else on the differences?

Its a V3 so will be Haswell (as opposed to Skylake) which makes it more or less identical to the i5-4570 bar a few minor differences such as the internal graphics and the Xeon supports ECC RAM.

Intel Comparison


thanks
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can anyone recommend a raid card that actually works in these. Have tried a Perc H310 and it just blue screens when in Raid 1. Some mention of this on the interwebs but didn't find that until after purchase.

thanks
#18
jimborae
can anyone recommend a raid card that actually works in these. Have tried a Perc H310 and it just blue screens when in Raid 1. Some mention of this on the interwebs but didn't find that until after purchase.
thanks

Maybe an LSI Raid card will work, time to Google.
#19
fishmaster
jimborae
can anyone recommend a raid card that actually works in these. Have tried a Perc H310 and it just blue screens when in Raid 1. Some mention of this on the interwebs but didn't find that until after purchase.
thanks
Maybe an LSI Raid card will work, time to Google.

Well I'm going to try & flash this card to LSI firmware as it's just an LSI card anyways but cant find a guide to flashing it IR firmware, only IT firmware.
2 Likes #20
fishmaster
Home servers are to me like optical drives, no longer really necessary, unless you have a horrendous Internet connection. I have deprecated all servers in my house, they're all virtual now and all content is Internet based. Also as a home lab they're becoming redundant due to GNS3 and other software solutions. Death to home servers!

I do agree that a lot of content is streamed but there is your own saved files that you don't want uploaded to google or microsoft or the likes.

Look what is happened to our internet. Recent court laws means our service providers are forced to ban lots of websites. I can visualise courts easily giving orders for certain bodies to look at our personal content stored in the cloud.

No thanks. Home server here is here to stay for me.
#21
tan159
fishmaster
Home servers are to me like optical drives, no longer really necessary, unless you have a horrendous Internet connection. I have deprecated all servers in my house, they're all virtual now and all content is Internet based. Also as a home lab they're becoming redundant due to GNS3 and other software solutions. Death to home servers!
I do agree that a lot of content is streamed but there is your own saved files that you don't want uploaded to google or microsoft or the likes.
Look what is happened to our internet. Recent court laws means our service providers are forced to ban lots of websites. I can visualise courts easily giving orders for certain bodies to look at our personal content stored in the cloud.
No thanks. Home server here is here to stay for me.

I agree...Even though my BB is 200Mbps fibre you can't beat low latency media streamed from a server on a local LAN and It's still easily accessible from anywhere using Plex and a port forward.
#22
tan159
fishmaster
Home servers are to me like optical drives, no longer really necessary, unless you have a horrendous Internet connection. I have deprecated all servers in my house, they're all virtual now and all content is Internet based. Also as a home lab they're becoming redundant due to GNS3 and other software solutions. Death to home servers!
I do agree that a lot of content is streamed but there is your own saved files that you don't want uploaded to google or microsoft or the likes.
Look what is happened to our internet. Recent court laws means our service providers are forced to ban lots of websites. I can visualise courts easily giving orders for certain bodies to look at our personal content stored in the cloud.
No thanks. Home server here is here to stay for me.

What do you have to hide?
Do you know how to hide?
What is your concern?
If you have something to hide then putting it on a home server is definitely not secure, the Police will search your house and take your server anyway.

The above illustrates that there's nothing to worry about unless you have something to hide and if you do it's likely criminal and if you're a criminal you know how to hide unless you're stupid or careless.

Edited By: fishmaster on Dec 04, 2016 17:04
#23
fishmaster
tan159
fishmaster
Home servers are to me like optical drives, no longer really necessary, unless you have a horrendous Internet connection. I have deprecated all servers in my house, they're all virtual now and all content is Internet based. Also as a home lab they're becoming redundant due to GNS3 and other software solutions. Death to home servers!
I do agree that a lot of content is streamed but there is your own saved files that you don't want uploaded to google or microsoft or the likes.
Look what is happened to our internet. Recent court laws means our service providers are forced to ban lots of websites. I can visualise courts easily giving orders for certain bodies to look at our personal content stored in the cloud.
No thanks. Home server here is here to stay for me.

What do you have to hide?
Do you know how to hide?
What is your concern?
If you have something to hide then putting it on a home server is definitely not secure, the Police will search your house and take your server anyway.

The above illustrates that there's nothing to worry about unless you have something to hide and if you do it's likely criminal and if you're a criminal you know how to hide unless you're stupid or careless.


I've got nothing to hide criminally speaking so not worried that the police will be raiding my house. LOL I'll know when I get to that stage and the server would be long gone!

I just don't want my pics/documents/life potentially being perused by the rest of the world.
1 Like #24
if you upload to the cloud they own the files they can take a pic of your child and use it in an advert or whatever they want I don't upload anything I have a home server and store family members pics also because they are either too stupid to upload or don't often enough and lose stuff plus my server backs up to my old one at my sisters house in case my house gets robbed or whatever and she uses it to watch films on none the wiser my own cloud backup managed by me
#25
I bought this in June, cracking unit, ended up putting Windows 10 on an ssd. then liked it so much I added an msi 1050 ti graphics card which only draws 75w. Runs great. I forgot about the cash back lol so I would recommend setting a calendar reminder so that you don't miss it.
#26
fishmaster
tan159
fishmaster
Home servers are to me like optical drives, no longer really necessary, unless you have a horrendous Internet connection. I have deprecated all servers in my house, they're all virtual now and all content is Internet based. Also as a home lab they're becoming redundant due to GNS3 and other software solutions. Death to home servers!
I do agree that a lot of content is streamed but there is your own saved files that you don't want uploaded to google or microsoft or the likes.
Look what is happened to our internet. Recent court laws means our service providers are forced to ban lots of websites. I can visualise courts easily giving orders for certain bodies to look at our personal content stored in the cloud.
No thanks. Home server here is here to stay for me.
What do you have to hide?
Do you know how to hide?
What is your concern?
If you have something to hide then putting it on a home server is definitely not secure, the Police will search your house and take your server anyway.
The above illustrates that there's nothing to worry about unless you have something to hide and if you do it's likely criminal and if you're a criminal you know how to hide unless you're stupid or careless.

Surely plex is a reason to have a home server?
#27
cheapo
fishmaster
tan159
fishmaster
Home servers are to me like optical drives, no longer really necessary, unless you have a horrendous Internet connection. I have deprecated all servers in my house, they're all virtual now and all content is Internet based. Also as a home lab they're becoming redundant due to GNS3 and other software solutions. Death to home servers!
I do agree that a lot of content is streamed but there is your own saved files that you don't want uploaded to google or microsoft or the likes.
Look what is happened to our internet. Recent court laws means our service providers are forced to ban lots of websites. I can visualise courts easily giving orders for certain bodies to look at our personal content stored in the cloud.
No thanks. Home server here is here to stay for me.
What do you have to hide?
Do you know how to hide?
What is your concern?
If you have something to hide then putting it on a home server is definitely not secure, the Police will search your house and take your server anyway.
The above illustrates that there's nothing to worry about unless you have something to hide and if you do it's likely criminal and if you're a criminal you know how to hide unless you're stupid or careless.
Surely plex is a reason to have a home server?

I use Plex but all content is streamed. Plex is OK it works. As for the logic "well I have some media software that means I must get a home server", well that doesn't work for me. The only advantage for having content on a home server is you can always access it, since my Internet connection works 99.9% I have no need for a home server, ever.

Edited By: fishmaster on Dec 06, 2016 12:55
#28
fishmaster
cheapo
fishmaster
tan159
fishmaster
Home servers are to me like optical drives, no longer really necessary, unless you have a horrendous Internet connection. I have deprecated all servers in my house, they're all virtual now and all content is Internet based. Also as a home lab they're becoming redundant due to GNS3 and other software solutions. Death to home servers!
I do agree that a lot of content is streamed but there is your own saved files that you don't want uploaded to google or microsoft or the likes.
Look what is happened to our internet. Recent court laws means our service providers are forced to ban lots of websites. I can visualise courts easily giving orders for certain bodies to look at our personal content stored in the cloud.
No thanks. Home server here is here to stay for me.
What do you have to hide?
Do you know how to hide?
What is your concern?
If you have something to hide then putting it on a home server is definitely not secure, the Police will search your house and take your server anyway.
The above illustrates that there's nothing to worry about unless you have something to hide and if you do it's likely criminal and if you're a criminal you know how to hide unless you're stupid or careless.
Surely plex is a reason to have a home server?

I use Plex but all content is streamed. Plex is OK it works. As for the logic "well I have some media software that means I must get a home server", well that doesn't work for me. The only advantage for having content on a home server is you can always access it, since my Internet connection works 99.9% I have no need for a home server, ever.


What cloud services do you use?
1 Like #29
fishmaster
cheapo
fishmaster
tan159
fishmaster
Home servers are to me like optical drives, no longer really necessary, unless you have a horrendous Internet connection. I have deprecated all servers in my house, they're all virtual now and all content is Internet based. Also as a home lab they're becoming redundant due to GNS3 and other software solutions. Death to home servers!
I do agree that a lot of content is streamed but there is your own saved files that you don't want uploaded to google or microsoft or the likes.
Look what is happened to our internet. Recent court laws means our service providers are forced to ban lots of websites. I can visualise courts easily giving orders for certain bodies to look at our personal content stored in the cloud.
No thanks. Home server here is here to stay for me.
What do you have to hide?
Do you know how to hide?
What is your concern?
If you have something to hide then putting it on a home server is definitely not secure, the Police will search your house and take your server anyway.
The above illustrates that there's nothing to worry about unless you have something to hide and if you do it's likely criminal and if you're a criminal you know how to hide unless you're stupid or careless.
Surely plex is a reason to have a home server?
I use Plex but all content is streamed. Plex is OK it works. As for the logic "well I have some media software that means I must get a home server", well that doesn't work for me. The only advantage for having content on a home server is you can always access it, since my Internet connection works 99.9% I have no need for a home server, ever.

So what is your Plex Media Server running on?
As you need a host for PMS to run on it makes sense to me to just stuff the storage and PMS on the same device....
yeah a few thin devices like routers are now supporting PMS installs now but they don't have the grunt for multiple HD streams or transcodes.....
I'll stick with my storage at home for now....

Edited By: Uridium on Dec 06, 2016 14:37
#30
FYI. Mine just rocked up. I went with the 32gig ECC variant. Quite a slim little machine - quite bare bones however.

I've shoved it in my rack - fits perfectly thank god. Silly me thought it was a quad core, sadly only dual :(

[edit] Take it back, it /is/ quad. Not sure why I picked that up.

Edited By: TeamMCS on Dec 06, 2016 17:21: moron
#31
TeamMCS
FYI. Mine just rocked up. I went with the 32gig ECC variant. Quite a slim little machine - quite bare bones however.

I've shoved it in my rack - fits perfectly thank god. Silly me thought it was a quad core, sadly only dual :(

[edit] Take it back, it /is/ quad. Not sure why I picked that up.


I was just going to say, you didn't order the Pentium one instead did you?
1 Like #32
fishmaster
cheapo
fishmaster
tan159
fishmaster
Home servers are to me like optical drives, no longer really necessary, unless you have a horrendous Internet connection. I have deprecated all servers in my house, they're all virtual now and all content is Internet based. Also as a home lab they're becoming redundant due to GNS3 and other software solutions. Death to home servers!
I do agree that a lot of content is streamed but there is your own saved files that you don't want uploaded to google or microsoft or the likes.
Look what is happened to our internet. Recent court laws means our service providers are forced to ban lots of websites. I can visualise courts easily giving orders for certain bodies to look at our personal content stored in the cloud.
No thanks. Home server here is here to stay for me.
What do you have to hide?
Do you know how to hide?
What is your concern?
If you have something to hide then putting it on a home server is definitely not secure, the Police will search your house and take your server anyway.
The above illustrates that there's nothing to worry about unless you have something to hide and if you do it's likely criminal and if you're a criminal you know how to hide unless you're stupid or careless.
Surely plex is a reason to have a home server?
I use Plex but all content is streamed. Plex is OK it works. As for the logic "well I have some media software that means I must get a home server", well that doesn't work for me. The only advantage for having content on a home server is you can always access it, since my Internet connection works 99.9% I have no need for a home server, ever.

I never used the logic 'must'. But, some people, who might have an opinion based in rationality that differs from yours, and might really be into Plex as a hobby to serve content to themselves, family and friends might consider a powerful enough server to enhance their hobby.

Also, the idea that internet connections and cloud services are close to infallibility, and therefore no one needs a home server does not take into account that there are people in this country who cannot get reliable internet today and the legitimate security concerns people have regarding storing their data online. Also, there will always be a need for local intranet based content as the bleeding edge of media will always make it difficult to transfer large data using current internet connections (it took my brother four hours last night to update Star Wars Battlefront - 8.9GB - which whilst I know needed to be downloaded and could not be served locally illustrates the problems with your position). I wouldn't like to try and download a 100GB triple layer blu ray on a dodgy non optical fibre phone line for instance (feel free to say something like 'the only reason to ahve a home server is if you are a pirate').

The answer here is horses for courses. You sound like a smoker who quit after 40 years on 20 a day.
#33
As an aside, I wouldn't rely on google exclusively for your cloud services.

http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/98444

It turns out the common denominator is that they had all bought Google Pixel phones and shipped them to a phone dealer in New Hampshire who paid them a profit on each phone. There is no sales tax in New Hampshire and the phones are then resold to others.

The problem is that many of them didn’t read the terms that they agreed to when buying the phone from the Google store. Those state “You may only purchase Devices for your personal use. You may not commercially resell any Device, but you may give the Device as a gift.”

I did some research and found the dealer, who feels awful about the situation. There are over 200 people who are locked out of their Google accounts currently. Some of those people used multiple Google accounts in order to place orders for more than 5 phones and they are locked out of all of the accounts. The dealer is more than happy to return all the phones to Google if it will rectify the situation.

It's unlikely to happen, but if google nuke your account, you lose access to everything.

They also dislike chargebacks and things like peoples hijacked accounts being used to run up large unpaid bills on their cloud services
#34
Magnets
As an aside, I wouldn't rely on google exclusively for your cloud services.http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/98444
It turns out the common denominator is that they had all bought Google Pixel phones and shipped them to a phone dealer in New Hampshire who paid them a profit on each phone. There is no sales tax in New Hampshire and the phones are then resold to others.
The problem is that many of them didn’t read the terms that they agreed to when buying the phone from the Google store. Those state “You may only purchase Devices for your personal use. You may not commercially resell any Device, but you may give the Device as a gift.”
I did some research and found the dealer, who feels awful about the situation. There are over 200 people who are locked out of their Google accounts currently. Some of those people used multiple Google accounts in order to place orders for more than 5 phones and they are locked out of all of the accounts. The dealer is more than happy to return all the phones to Google if it will rectify the situation.
It's unlikely to happen, but if google nuke your account, you lose access to everything.
They also dislike chargebacks and things like peoples hijacked accounts being used to run up large unpaid bills on their cloud services

As is always the case though, If your data only exists in one place then it doesn't really exist.

Cloud services are all well and good but should never be the only copy of your data.
#35
cheapo
fishmaster
cheapo
fishmaster
tan159
fishmaster
Home servers are to me like optical drives, no longer really necessary, unless you have a horrendous Internet connection. I have deprecated all servers in my house, they're all virtual now and all content is Internet based. Also as a home lab they're becoming redundant due to GNS3 and other software solutions. Death to home servers!
I do agree that a lot of content is streamed but there is your own saved files that you don't want uploaded to google or microsoft or the likes.
Look what is happened to our internet. Recent court laws means our service providers are forced to ban lots of websites. I can visualise courts easily giving orders for certain bodies to look at our personal content stored in the cloud.
No thanks. Home server here is here to stay for me.
What do you have to hide?
Do you know how to hide?
What is your concern?
If you have something to hide then putting it on a home server is definitely not secure, the Police will search your house and take your server anyway.
The above illustrates that there's nothing to worry about unless you have something to hide and if you do it's likely criminal and if you're a criminal you know how to hide unless you're stupid or careless.
Surely plex is a reason to have a home server?
I use Plex but all content is streamed. Plex is OK it works. As for the logic "well I have some media software that means I must get a home server", well that doesn't work for me. The only advantage for having content on a home server is you can always access it, since my Internet connection works 99.9% I have no need for a home server, ever.
I never used the logic 'must'. But, some people, who might have an opinion based in rationality that differs from yours, and might really be into Plex as a hobby to serve content to themselves, family and friends might consider a powerful enough server to enhance their hobby.
Also, the idea that internet connections and cloud services are close to infallibility, and therefore no one needs a home server does not take into account that there are people in this country who cannot get reliable internet today and the legitimate security concerns people have regarding storing their data online. Also, there will always be a need for local intranet based content as the bleeding edge of media will always make it difficult to transfer large data using current internet connections (it took my brother four hours last night to update Star Wars Battlefront - 8.9GB - which whilst I know needed to be downloaded and could not be served locally illustrates the problems with your position). I wouldn't like to try and download a 100GB triple layer blu ray on a dodgy non optical fibre phone line for instance (feel free to say something like 'the only reason to ahve a home server is if you are a pirate').
The answer here is horses for courses. You sound like a smoker who quit after 40 years on 20 a day.

Resorting to insults not very classy dude. Nothing more to debate with you here. Please move along.
2 Likes #36
fishmaster
cheapo
fishmaster
cheapo
fishmaster
tan159
fishmaster
Home servers are to me like optical drives, no longer really necessary, unless you have a horrendous Internet connection. I have deprecated all servers in my house, they're all virtual now and all content is Internet based. Also as a home lab they're becoming redundant due to GNS3 and other software solutions. Death to home servers!
I do agree that a lot of content is streamed but there is your own saved files that you don't want uploaded to google or microsoft or the likes.
Look what is happened to our internet. Recent court laws means our service providers are forced to ban lots of websites. I can visualise courts easily giving orders for certain bodies to look at our personal content stored in the cloud.
No thanks. Home server here is here to stay for me.
What do you have to hide?
Do you know how to hide?
What is your concern?
If you have something to hide then putting it on a home server is definitely not secure, the Police will search your house and take your server anyway.
The above illustrates that there's nothing to worry about unless you have something to hide and if you do it's likely criminal and if you're a criminal you know how to hide unless you're stupid or careless.
Surely plex is a reason to have a home server?
I use Plex but all content is streamed. Plex is OK it works. As for the logic "well I have some media software that means I must get a home server", well that doesn't work for me. The only advantage for having content on a home server is you can always access it, since my Internet connection works 99.9% I have no need for a home server, ever.
I never used the logic 'must'. But, some people, who might have an opinion based in rationality that differs from yours, and might really be into Plex as a hobby to serve content to themselves, family and friends might consider a powerful enough server to enhance their hobby.
Also, the idea that internet connections and cloud services are close to infallibility, and therefore no one needs a home server does not take into account that there are people in this country who cannot get reliable internet today and the legitimate security concerns people have regarding storing their data online. Also, there will always be a need for local intranet based content as the bleeding edge of media will always make it difficult to transfer large data using current internet connections (it took my brother four hours last night to update Star Wars Battlefront - 8.9GB - which whilst I know needed to be downloaded and could not be served locally illustrates the problems with your position). I wouldn't like to try and download a 100GB triple layer blu ray on a dodgy non optical fibre phone line for instance (feel free to say something like 'the only reason to ahve a home server is if you are a pirate').
The answer here is horses for courses. You sound like a smoker who quit after 40 years on 20 a day.
Resorting to insults not very classy dude. Nothing more to debate with you here. Please move along.

I didn't realise I had insulted you. I was merely creating a comparison between your intransigence over your perception that home servers are redundant and that of a smoker who after quitting despises smoking. I had a co-worker a while ago who was the most lovely intelligent person, but was an ex-smoker, who when you brought up smoking would lose it as there was an emotion attached to the topic. If an insult has been hurled it is that I am 'not classy', an ad hominem attack that didn't address my fairly reasoned reply.

Anyway, as Uridium asks, if you use Plex and stream that content (whether it is transcoded or not) it means you either run a server at home, pay a fair whack for a remote server where you have privileges to run software like Plex on, or leave a PC on 24 hours a day which as far as power is concerned might be inefficient. So which is it?
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Home servers are to me like optical drives, no longer really necessary, unless you have a horrendous Internet connection. I have deprecated all servers in my house, they're all virtual now and all content is Internet based. Also as a home lab they're becoming redundant due to GNS3 and other software solutions. Death to home servers!
I do agree that a lot of content is streamed but there is your own saved files that you don't want uploaded to google or microsoft or the likes.
Look what is happened to our internet. Recent court laws means our service providers are forced to ban lots of websites. I can visualise courts easily giving orders for certain bodies to look at our personal content stored in the cloud.
No thanks. Home server here is here to stay for me.
What do you have to hide?
Do you know how to hide?
What is your concern?
If you have something to hide then putting it on a home server is definitely not secure, the Police will search your house and take your server anyway.
The above illustrates that there's nothing to worry about unless you have something to hide and if you do it's likely criminal and if you're a criminal you know how to hide unless you're stupid or careless.
Surely plex is a reason to have a home server?
I use Plex but all content is streamed. Plex is OK it works. As for the logic "well I have some media software that means I must get a home server", well that doesn't work for me. The only advantage for having content on a home server is you can always access it, since my Internet connection works 99.9% I have no need for a home server, ever.
I never used the logic 'must'. But, some people, who might have an opinion based in rationality that differs from yours, and might really be into Plex as a hobby to serve content to themselves, family and friends might consider a powerful enough server to enhance their hobby.
Also, the idea that internet connections and cloud services are close to infallibility, and therefore no one needs a home server does not take into account that there are people in this country who cannot get reliable internet today and the legitimate security concerns people have regarding storing their data online. Also, there will always be a need for local intranet based content as the bleeding edge of media will always make it difficult to transfer large data using current internet connections (it took my brother four hours last night to update Star Wars Battlefront - 8.9GB - which whilst I know needed to be downloaded and could not be served locally illustrates the problems with your position). I wouldn't like to try and download a 100GB triple layer blu ray on a dodgy non optical fibre phone line for instance (feel free to say something like 'the only reason to ahve a home server is if you are a pirate').
The answer here is horses for courses. You sound like a smoker who quit after 40 years on 20 a day.
Resorting to insults not very classy dude. Nothing more to debate with you here. Please move along.

I didn't realise I had insulted you. I was merely creating a comparison between your intransigence over your perception that home servers are redundant and that of a smoker who after quitting despises smoking. I had a co-worker a while ago who was the most lovely intelligent person, but was an ex-smoker, who when you brought up smoking would lose it as there was an emotion attached to the topic. If an insult has been hurled it is that I am 'not classy', an ad hominem attack that didn't address my fairly reasoned reply.

Anyway, as Uridium asks, if you use Plex and stream that content (whether it is transcoded or not) it means you either run a server at home, pay a fair whack for a remote server where you have privileges to run software like Plex on, or leave a PC on 24 hours a day which as far as power is concerned might be inefficient. So which is it?


And if so, as I asked before, what cloud service do you use?
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Home servers are to me like optical drives, no longer really necessary, unless you have a horrendous Internet connection. I have deprecated all servers in my house, they're all virtual now and all content is Internet based. Also as a home lab they're becoming redundant due to GNS3 and other software solutions. Death to home servers!
I do agree that a lot of content is streamed but there is your own saved files that you don't want uploaded to google or microsoft or the likes.
Look what is happened to our internet. Recent court laws means our service providers are forced to ban lots of websites. I can visualise courts easily giving orders for certain bodies to look at our personal content stored in the cloud.
No thanks. Home server here is here to stay for me.
What do you have to hide?
Do you know how to hide?
What is your concern?
If you have something to hide then putting it on a home server is definitely not secure, the Police will search your house and take your server anyway.
The above illustrates that there's nothing to worry about unless you have something to hide and if you do it's likely criminal and if you're a criminal you know how to hide unless you're stupid or careless.
Surely plex is a reason to have a home server?
I use Plex but all content is streamed. Plex is OK it works. As for the logic "well I have some media software that means I must get a home server", well that doesn't work for me. The only advantage for having content on a home server is you can always access it, since my Internet connection works 99.9% I have no need for a home server, ever.
I never used the logic 'must'. But, some people, who might have an opinion based in rationality that differs from yours, and might really be into Plex as a hobby to serve content to themselves, family and friends might consider a powerful enough server to enhance their hobby.
Also, the idea that internet connections and cloud services are close to infallibility, and therefore no one needs a home server does not take into account that there are people in this country who cannot get reliable internet today and the legitimate security concerns people have regarding storing their data online. Also, there will always be a need for local intranet based content as the bleeding edge of media will always make it difficult to transfer large data using current internet connections (it took my brother four hours last night to update Star Wars Battlefront - 8.9GB - which whilst I know needed to be downloaded and could not be served locally illustrates the problems with your position). I wouldn't like to try and download a 100GB triple layer blu ray on a dodgy non optical fibre phone line for instance (feel free to say something like 'the only reason to ahve a home server is if you are a pirate').
The answer here is horses for courses. You sound like a smoker who quit after 40 years on 20 a day.
Resorting to insults not very classy dude. Nothing more to debate with you here. Please move along.
I didn't realise I had insulted you. I was merely creating a comparison between your intransigence over your perception that home servers are redundant and that of a smoker who after quitting despises smoking. I had a co-worker a while ago who was the most lovely intelligent person, but was an ex-smoker, who when you brought up smoking would lose it as there was an emotion attached to the topic. If an insult has been hurled it is that I am 'not classy', an ad hominem attack that didn't address my fairly reasoned reply.
Anyway, as Uridium asks, if you use Plex and stream that content (whether it is transcoded or not) it means you either run a server at home, pay a fair whack for a remote server where you have privileges to run software like Plex on, or leave a PC on 24 hours a day which as far as power is concerned might be inefficient. So which is it?

You're too fond of assumptions. I use a remote server which doesn't cost a fair whack less than £100 a year. The content of which far exceeds the capacity of most people's home server. I'm not at liberty to give the details, however as people know on here, I don't lie or exaggerate for effect. I only use streamed content, I do realise there is a place for some people to use a home server, however if your Internet connection is stable there's little reason to serve media from an antiquated server.

There's a big push towards serverless architecture. As we know in computing technology moves at an exponential rate. Don't forget that TCP/IP was not designed for the traffic of today, it was designed based on the technology at the time, one day in the distance future TCP/IP will be replaced, currently a very big task to undertake.

The reason I say death to home servers is because of the options/alternatives available. Freeing myself from a home server is one of the best things I ever did. I save time, I save money, I win. Everyone should strive to be a winner, I'm one step closer.
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[quote=fishmaster] Home servers are to me like optical drives, no longer really necessary, unless you have a horrendous Internet connection. I have deprecated all servers in my house, they're all virtual now and all content is Internet based. Also as a home lab they're becoming redundant due to GNS3 and other software solutions. Death to home servers!
I do agree that a lot of content is streamed but there is your own saved files that you don't want uploaded to google or microsoft or the likes.
Look what is happened to our internet. Recent court laws means our service providers are forced to ban lots of websites. I can visualise courts easily giving orders for certain bodies to look at our personal content stored in the cloud.
No thanks. Home server here is here to stay for me.
What do you have to hide?
Do you know how to hide?
What is your concern?
If you have something to hide then putting it on a home server is definitely not secure, the Police will search your house and take your server anyway.
The above illustrates that there's nothing to worry about unless you have something to hide and if you do it's likely criminal and if you're a criminal you know how to hide unless you're stupid or careless.
Surely plex is a reason to have a home server?
I use Plex but all content is streamed. Plex is OK it works. As for the logic "well I have some media software that means I must get a home server", well that doesn't work for me. The only advantage for having content on a home server is you can always access it, since my Internet connection works 99.9% I have no need for a home server, ever.
I never used the logic 'must'. But, some people, who might have an opinion based in rationality that differs from yours, and might really be into Plex as a hobby to serve content to themselves, family and friends might consider a powerful enough server to enhance their hobby.
Also, the idea that internet connections and cloud services are close to infallibility, and therefore no one needs a home server does not take into account that there are people in this country who cannot get reliable internet today and the legitimate security concerns people have regarding storing their data online. Also, there will always be a need for local intranet based content as the bleeding edge of media will always make it difficult to transfer large data using current internet connections (it took my brother four hours last night to update Star Wars Battlefront - 8.9GB - which whilst I know needed to be downloaded and could not be served locally illustrates the problems with your position). I wouldn't like to try and download a 100GB triple layer blu ray on a dodgy non optical fibre phone line for instance (feel free to say something like 'the only reason to ahve a home server is if you are a pirate').
The answer here is horses for courses. You sound like a smoker who quit after 40 years on 20 a day.
Resorting to insults not very classy dude. Nothing more to debate with you here. Please move along.
I didn't realise I had insulted you. I was merely creating a comparison between your intransigence over your perception that home servers are redundant and that of a smoker who after quitting despises smoking. I had a co-worker a while ago who was the most lovely intelligent person, but was an ex-smoker, who when you brought up smoking would lose it as there was an emotion attached to the topic. If an insult has been hurled it is that I am 'not classy', an ad hominem attack that didn't address my fairly reasoned reply.
Anyway, as Uridium asks, if you use Plex and stream that content (whether it is transcoded or not) it means you either run a server at home, pay a fair whack for a remote server where you have privileges to run software like Plex on, or leave a PC on 24 hours a day which as far as power is concerned might be inefficient. So which is it?

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You're too fond of assumptions. I use a remote server which doesn't cost a fair whack less than £100 a year.


To be fair, my second assumption was correct then. As it appears you have some sort of privileged access to a 'good/great deal' that you can't buy off the virtual high street as your next comment suggests.

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The content of which far exceeds the capacity of most people's home server. I'm not at liberty to give the details, however as people know on here, I don't lie or exaggerate for effect.

So you do indeed run a server, it is just in someone elses "house" (see air conditioned custom building somewhere). So all this is rather academic, unless you can point us to deals where we can all pay less than £100 for root access to say 6TB of server space with the ability to run VM and things like Plex on then on that count a home server might still be a viable option.

fishmaster
I only use streamed content

Streamed from your special access server and Netflix et al yes.

fishmaster
I do realise there is a place for some people to use a home server

A fair point, which you made before I got involved to be honest.

fishmaster
[...]however if your Internet connection is stable there's little reason to serve media from an antiquated server.

We will have to agree to disagree on that. There will always be a need for offline local storage for a myriad of reasons, Plex being just one.

fishmaster
There's a big push towards serverless architecture. As we know in computing technology moves at an exponential rate. Don't forget that TCP/IP was not designed for the traffic of today, it was designed based on the technology at the time, one day in the distance future TCP/IP will be replaced, currently a very big task to undertake.
The reason I say death to home servers is because of the options/alternatives available.

If you can point me to a company like ZXPlay (https://zxplay.co.uk/) that will give me what they are charging £480 a year for (Plex server, 2tb of space, 8tb bandwidth per month - £40) I might listen.

fishmaster
Freeing myself from a home server is one of the best things I ever did. I save time, I save money, I win. Everyone should strive to be a winner, I'm one step closer.

Honest questions.

How does having a remote server save you time? For instance, If I want to securely backup my DSLR photo collection of 20GB from my laptop it would be much faster doing that to my home server over LAN than it would uploading it to a remote site (even with my relitively decent Virgin 100mbps down 6mbps up broadband package).

How does it save you money? Unless you can show me GB for GB a cheaper way of securing data in a RAID environment, comparing initial investment in a home server that would say last five years, compared to five years of access to a root access server with the same capacity/ ability to support multiple 1080p streams then I am going to struggle to agree with you.

How do you win? (Ok, that was a bit snarky).

If the future brings exciting changes that make your proposition viable I might be in too! I don't have shares in QNAP.
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[quote=fishmaster] Home servers are to me like optical drives, no longer really necessary, unless you have a horrendous Internet connection. I have deprecated all servers in my house, they're all virtual now and all content is Internet based. Also as a home lab they're becoming redundant due to GNS3 and other software solutions. Death to home servers!
I do agree that a lot of content is streamed but there is your own saved files that you don't want uploaded to google or microsoft or the likes.
Look what is happened to our internet. Recent court laws means our service providers are forced to ban lots of websites. I can visualise courts easily giving orders for certain bodies to look at our personal content stored in the cloud.
No thanks. Home server here is here to stay for me.
What do you have to hide?
Do you know how to hide?
What is your concern?
If you have something to hide then putting it on a home server is definitely not secure, the Police will search your house and take your server anyway.
The above illustrates that there's nothing to worry about unless you have something to hide and if you do it's likely criminal and if you're a criminal you know how to hide unless you're stupid or careless.
Surely plex is a reason to have a home server?
I use Plex but all content is streamed. Plex is OK it works. As for the logic "well I have some media software that means I must get a home server", well that doesn't work for me. The only advantage for having content on a home server is you can always access it, since my Internet connection works 99.9% I have no need for a home server, ever.
I never used the logic 'must'. But, some people, who might have an opinion based in rationality that differs from yours, and might really be into Plex as a hobby to serve content to themselves, family and friends might consider a powerful enough server to enhance their hobby.
Also, the idea that internet connections and cloud services are close to infallibility, and therefore no one needs a home server does not take into account that there are people in this country who cannot get reliable internet today and the legitimate security concerns people have regarding storing their data online. Also, there will always be a need for local intranet based content as the bleeding edge of media will always make it difficult to transfer large data using current internet connections (it took my brother four hours last night to update Star Wars Battlefront - 8.9GB - which whilst I know needed to be downloaded and could not be served locally illustrates the problems with your position). I wouldn't like to try and download a 100GB triple layer blu ray on a dodgy non optical fibre phone line for instance (feel free to say something like 'the only reason to ahve a home server is if you are a pirate').
The answer here is horses for courses. You sound like a smoker who quit after 40 years on 20 a day.
Resorting to insults not very classy dude. Nothing more to debate with you here. Please move along.
I didn't realise I had insulted you. I was merely creating a comparison between your intransigence over your perception that home servers are redundant and that of a smoker who after quitting despises smoking. I had a co-worker a while ago who was the most lovely intelligent person, but was an ex-smoker, who when you brought up smoking would lose it as there was an emotion attached to the topic. If an insult has been hurled it is that I am 'not classy', an ad hominem attack that didn't address my fairly reasoned reply.
Anyway, as Uridium asks, if you use Plex and stream that content (whether it is transcoded or not) it means you either run a server at home, pay a fair whack for a remote server where you have privileges to run software like Plex on, or leave a PC on 24 hours a day which as far as power is concerned might be inefficient. So which is it?
fishmaster
You're too fond of assumptions. I use a remote server which doesn't cost a fair whack less than £100 a year.
To be fair, my second assumption was correct then. As it appears you have some sort of privileged access to a 'good/great deal' that you can't buy off the virtual high street as your next comment suggests.
fishmaster
The content of which far exceeds the capacity of most people's home server. I'm not at liberty to give the details, however as people know on here, I don't lie or exaggerate for effect.
So you do indeed run a server, it is just in someone elses "house" (see air conditioned custom building somewhere). So all this is rather academic, unless you can point us to deals where we can all pay less than £100 for root access to say 6TB of server space with the ability to run VM and things like Plex on then on that count a home server might still be a viable option.
fishmaster
I only use streamed content
Streamed from your special access server and Netflix et al yes.
fishmaster
I do realise there is a place for some people to use a home server
A fair point, which you made before I got involved to be honest.
fishmaster
[...]however if your Internet connection is stable there's little reason to serve media from an antiquated server.
We will have to agree to disagree on that. There will always be a need for offline local storage for a myriad of reasons, Plex being just one.
fishmaster
There's a big push towards serverless architecture. As we know in computing technology moves at an exponential rate. Don't forget that TCP/IP was not designed for the traffic of today, it was designed based on the technology at the time, one day in the distance future TCP/IP will be replaced, currently a very big task to undertake.
The reason I say death to home servers is because of the options/alternatives available.
If you can point me to a company like ZXPlay (https://zxplay.co.uk/) that will give me what they are charging £480 a year for (Plex server, 2tb of space, 8tb bandwidth per month - £40) I might listen.
fishmaster
Freeing myself from a home server is one of the best things I ever did. I save time, I save money, I win. Everyone should strive to be a winner, I'm one step closer.
Honest questions.
How does having a remote server save you time? For instance, If I want to securely backup my DSLR photo collection of 20GB from my laptop it would be much faster doing that to my home server over LAN than it would uploading it to a remote site (even with my relitively decent Virgin 100mbps down 6mbps up broadband package).
How does it save you money? Unless you can show me GB for GB a cheaper way of securing data in a RAID environment, comparing initial investment in a home server that would say last five years, compared to five years of access to a root access server with the same capacity/ ability to support multiple 1080p streams then I am going to struggle to agree with you.
How do you win? (Ok, that was a bit snarky).
If the future brings exciting changes that make your proposition viable I might be in too! I don't have shares in QNAP.

Why would you want to backup large chunks of data at once? Unless you're a professional photographer you won't have generated that much content so quickly, so you would be backing up much smaller amounts of data on a regular basis.

I don't run a server, I stream content using someone else's server which is not my responsibility. Why would I point you to ZXPlay or similar service and why do you need what it serve, it's not relevant. If I don't want a home server then why would I want a remote server that does the same thing, surely I'd just have a home server which I don't want anyway as you probably gathered. ZXPlay is irrelevant to this conversation.

You're really over complicating things here, I don't have any privileged access, what I have anyone can access, they would need to find that out for themselves though as I choose not to reveal the source, but it's not Kodi and it uses Plex. Kodi is a terrible media solution, everything about Kodi stinks, the complexity, the fact that it's all bodged and was never designed from the ground up to do what it does. All I need is Plex, cloud software for backup, it's straight forward and simple.

i have everything backed up in the cloud on multiple cloud servers. If I need a backup locally I can stick it on a 2TB HDD or even larger if I so chose.

You keep mentioning Plex but it appears you don't have any real experience with remote Plex servers, if you did you might appreciate what I'm saying.

Not having a home server means absolutely zero maintenance, it means all the content I wish to access is still available to me the caveat being Internet access. I have no mission critical data from which I must have the facility of local storage.

Maybe I'm an exception, but I find it easy to work as I do with a bog standard 40Mb Fibre connection. I do understand the advantages of a home server, I just go with simple, simple works. Don't have server at home, don't maintain a server, don't do server. Even Microsoft realise this when they deprecated Windows Home Server, and that was some time ago. Amazon are at the forefront of serverless technology. Embrace simple, for me a home server is second hand knowledge, it's not thinking for yourself, it's "I need a home server because that's what I need isn't it? That's just how things are done." Nope it doesn't have to be that way, there are options which work and that's what I employ.

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