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Dell Studio 8000 Desktop - £649.99 delivered £649.50

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I'm looking for a work horse PC (web development and video work) and like Dell. I had a look on their site and it looks like XPS is the way to go. Using the site I can't get the price quoted, but call… Read More
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I'm looking for a work horse PC (web development and video work) and like Dell. I had a look on their site and it looks like XPS is the way to go. Using the site I can't get the price quoted, but calling them up they offered this (effectively 2Gb extra Ram for the same price as the current online deal.

May be useful for others so posting here

PROCESSOR Intel Core i7-860 (2.80GHz, 8MB, L3 Cache)
OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium 64bit- English
OFFICE SOFTWARE Microsoft® Works 9 - English
HARDWARE SUPPORT 1 year of coverage included with your PC
PROTECT YOUR NEW PC McAfee® Security Centre 15 Month Protection
ACCIDENTAL DAMAGE SUPPORT No Accidental Damage Support
MONITOR Display Not Included
MEMORY 6144MB (2x2GB) (2x1GB)1067MHz DDR3 Dual Channel Memory
HARD DRIVE 640GB (7200RPM) SATA Hard Drive
GRAPHICS CARD 1GB NVIDIA® GeForce GT220 graphics card
OPTICAL DRIVE 16X DVD+/- RW Optical Drive (DVD & CD read and write) (Win 7 Only)
KEYBOARD Dell USB Entry Keyboard - UK/Irish (QWERTY)
MOUSE Dell 2 Button USB Optical Mouse
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#1
Apple is the way to go for web-dev and video work :thumbsup:
#2
coco2007
Apple is the way to go for web-dev and video work :thumbsup:


If you want a non-apple machine to run windows and standard browsers (to cover 90+% of the browsing public) then surely this looks a reasonable option. I just love the negative voters on this site, who leave a negative and no comment... how are people supposed to understand WHY the deal isn't a good one (having said that you then get the "I dont like Dell", "I dont like Microsoft" zealots...

Why bother posting anything on here?
#3
eglons
If you want a non-apple machine to run windows and standard browsers (to cover 90+% of the browsing public) then surely this looks a reasonable option. I just love the negative voters on this site, who leave a negative and no comment... how are people supposed to understand WHY the deal isn't a good one (having said that you then get the "I dont like Dell", "I dont like Microsoft" zealots...

Why bother posting anything on here?


I agree, i want a pc for my son that will last a few years and the spec is pretty good for a couple of hundred quid more than a basic pc. For me it looks good, but i am being put off by neg voters. I want a pc as he will be using one at school and he builds web sites too, has done since the age of seven, but he needs a machine that grows with hiim.

Thanks guys for any helpfull advice !!!!:thumbsup:
#5
I didn't provide a link because you need to call to get the extra 2 GB of RAM.

The basic offer is here http://www1.euro.dell.com/uk/en/business/4x_studioxps_8000/fs.aspx?refid=4x_studioxps_8000&s=bsd&cs=ukbsdt1 (middle one)
#6
still negative? anyone sugest a better deal/model please - many thanks
#7
I bought this box with 8gb (+60), blue ray (+90) 1 tb (+30) win pro (+30) and 3 yaers of mcafee (+18) for 790 ish with the quidco and 5% off voucher. seem like a very cheap machine for what you get.

by teh way I also love Macs but sheer working horse I need a pc for my main system
#8
Made a comment about this last week I think this is a cracking price, the graphics card is naff but the overall price compared to building your own means this is a saving.

If I was buying it I would remove all the dell bulk ware software and I think it be a clear winner
#9
This is the price you would pay for a pretty good gaming machine. But the graphics card on this is pathetic.
#10
Just ordered this last week with upgrade to 8Gig RAM and 1TB hard drive all for £706...............wished I'd phoned now to see if I could have got more discount.
Voted hot
#11
Yes I understand about the graphics card but this is to be a work horse machine not a gaming machine for me and for the money I cant see anything better around?
#12
Well what woudl a graphic upgrade have been?

Also the shame with this box is Dell dont offer an extra hard drive for some reason. I have ordered a 1.5 I just hope it has all I need to fit it!
#13
coco2007
Apple is the way to go for web-dev and video work :thumbsup:

But the cheapest Apple Quad core machine is £1,500. :w00t:
#14
Agharta
But the cheapest Apple Quad core machine is £1,500. :w00t:


I've paid just under £2k for my quad i7, that's a snip IMHO. If you have to work on it 8+ hours a day, every day of the week, it's worth every penny, even more so because I can ship it back and forth between office and home. My C2D iMac is almost 2 years old and has crashed just once in that time, and has never needed an OS reinstallation, something which I never had with Windows.

Still, I digress, it's a decent enough deal for a PC if that's what floats your boat.
#15
coco2007
I've paid just under £2k for my quad i7, that's a snip IMHO. If you have to work on it 8+ hours a day, every day of the week, it's worth every penny, even more so because I can ship it back and forth between office and home. My C2D iMac is almost 2 years old and has crashed just once in that time, and has never needed an OS reinstallation, something which I never had with Windows.Still, I digress, it's a decent enough deal for a PC if that's what floats your boat.

I see where you’re coming from.
Early present to self! :santa:
#16
Amen to that :thumbsup:
[mod]#17
You can have this exact system for £649.81 ONLINE price (or less) by adding the extra memory (upgrade to 6gig) and then using the attached coupon code at checkout.
I have added a "go to deal" link to this system.
So no need to go through a dell sales agent.
Deal expires 25th Nov
#18
els
I agree, i want a pc for my son that will last a few years and the spec is pretty good for a couple of hundred quid more than a basic pc. For me it looks good, but i am being put off by neg voters. I want a pc as he will be using one at school and he builds web sites too, has done since the age of seven, but he needs a machine that grows with hiim.

Thanks guys for any helpfull advice !!!!:thumbsup:


So guys is this a good deal or what please? I guess you are paying for what you get, i mean its not a classic HUKD where you get 20 to 30% off? but its good value, right ? thanks:whistling:
#19
els;6975555
he needs a machine that grows with hiim.


Then neither this or any other is that!

The only way of doing that to any extent IS by building your own from scratch - but that's not cheap nowadays, as the main manufacturers can do some very good pricing - I used to do this, but found in practice I rarely upgraded anything as by the time I wanted to do that, a new system would be the in- thing, and it was easier to just buy or renew the whole thing or at least very major parts of it like the motherboard & processor as well as RAM!

PCs are a bit like cars - they are last year's model as soon as you drive off the Dealer's forecourt!
Certainly in a couple of years time it will seem a bit "nothing," and in any case, whatever the brand you can't count on anything lasting much longer than that, and the price of most maintenance contracts is more than a new PC will be by the time you need it, and by then you will end up with a very basic repaired machine at that time!

I am a bit puzzled at what sort of Web Development needs very high powered machines though.
I have always thought of that sort of work as something that can be done on pretty much anything!
Gaming, CAD, Video encoding, that sort of thing might need a bit more oomph, but web design software runs well enough even on my old laptop, even though I don't often use it on that machine!

I have always gone for "best bang for the bucks" with PCs. Never cheapest or basic, as they are always uninspiring, but I keep looking for a good buy with good performance at a very middling price, as the latest fastest processors are invariably a premium price, and in about 6 months what was top priced will be superceded anyway, and that processor will be half the price.
#20
nihcaj
Then neither this or any other is that!

I am a bit puzzled at what sort of Web Development needs very high powered machines though.
I have always thought of that sort of work as something that can be done on pretty much anything!
Gaming, CAD, Video encoding, that sort of thing might need a bit more oomph, but web design software runs well enough even on my old laptop, even though I don't often use it on that machine!


It's not the web development that is the problem it's things like virus checkers, backups and video coding going on in parallel and stopping me being productive... hence get a beast and forget about it.
#21
eglons;6986623
It's not the web development that is the problem it's things like virus checkers, backups and video coding going on in parallel and stopping me being productive... hence get a beast and forget about it.


In which case the cheapest Dell quad core machine with 4Gb of ram, will do that with room to do lots of other things at the same time too, and spend the other half of the money on something else; or put it aside and buy something new in 2 or 3 years time which by then will probably be equally as powerful by the standards then, as this one is now.

I find my 1.25 year old Quad core machine now doesn't often get a "workout" now, as it has loads of spare power & RAM which barely gets anything like full use even when I am encoding video, and that was less than 300 quid then!

Don't get me wrong, I like fast machines, but could never jsutify anything too near the leading aedge, as what I have now is plenty fast enough unless I was going to use it, and if I was buying now, I still wouldn't be feeling the need to be paying the sort of money this is!
#22
I am also planning on setting this up with windows 7 ultimate and running several virtual machines to do software evaluation... so having 8Gb of RAM is something I'd like to have to share about
#23
eglons
I am also planning on setting this up with windows 7 ultimate and running several virtual machines to do software evaluation... so having 8Gb of RAM is something I'd like to have to share about


Yeah it's the VM's that require it for me also. I quite often run XP/IE6 and Vista/IE7 concurrently on OSX, which isn't much fun when you have several pages of code open in Coda and dozens of images being edited in Fireworks. 4Gb RAM just ain't cutting it anymore for me.
#24
coco2007;6988580
Yeah it's the VM's that require it for me also. I quite often run XP/IE6 and Vista/IE7 concurrently on OSX, which isn't much fun when you have several pages of code open in Coda and dozens of images being edited in Fireworks. 4Gb RAM just ain't cutting it anymore for me.


Plenty of PCs around which support 8Gb ram (Just installed 64 bit Windows 7 myself although haven't felt the need to go above the 4Gb of RAM yet), without spending this sort of money!
Processor power isn't the issue usually (unless you have 3 sets of hands! ;-)

Actually I am more a fan of running a second machine with a KVM switch than a Virtual Machine, although it is possibly a bit heavier on electricity!
#25
nihcaj


Actually I am more a fan of running a second machine with a KVM switch than a Virtual Machine, although it is possibly a bit heavier on electricity!


And space!
#26
eglons;6990848
And space!


Nah, goes on the floor, out of the way. Not like you need to touch a second machine often, after all main PC gets used for Media use and day to day tasks which involve plugging into USB sockets
#27
nihcaj
Plenty of PCs around which support 8Gb ram (Just installed 64 bit Windows 7 myself although haven't felt the need to go above the 4Gb of RAM yet), without spending this sort of money!!


You're right of course, but I'd rather pay an extra grand or so to not have the headache of being stuck using Windows day in, day out. Been there, done that.
#28
nihcaj
Nah, goes on the floor, out of the way. Not like you need to touch a second machine often, after all main PC gets used for Media use and day to day tasks which involve plugging into USB sockets


Can you get a KVM to switch a pen tablet and twin screens?
#29
eglons;6995325
Can you get a KVM to switch a pen tablet and twin screens?


Actually I rather suspect a USB Pen Tablet may well work with a USB KVM switch given the right versions of software is installed on both machines, but have to admit I haven't tried it. I daresay the screens would need a more complex & expensive solution though, unless the secondary machine was limited to one monitor only, and you weren't spreading the desktop across both screens! (Clearly space is NOT actually a factor if there is all this room!)

That's said I am a bit puzzled at what you want to do... I was assuming you were just using the virtual machines to try out software/web sites/data developed on the "main" machine, whereas in reality you are using the virtual machines as the primary deelopment platform. I would have thought running each on it's own or native machine would beat that hands down anyway, to be honest it's not something I would have even thought about - probably because it's the most expensive way of achieving that with (similar levels of performance), as older machines left over from upgrading can find good use this way: I just don't think like that, although I admit it would be taking a slight reduction in the convenience!

"Voluntary" computer support for a small charity where I was a Trustee which had very little money for such niceties made me cost-conscious far more than convenience-conscious I suppose ;-)

Anyway, I suppose it is easy to convince yourself that spending a lot to achieve an end result; done it often enough myself when I had the money. Cheap solutions are harder, and unfortunately do usually require small concessions, those small concessions often mean a LOT of cost saving though :-)
#30
coco2007;6993384
You're right of course, but I'd rather pay an extra grand or so to not have the headache of being stuck using Windows day in, day out. Been there, done that.


I would rather cut both feet off and be tied to using a quill pen than spend an extra thousand quid on a Mac In fact I would say the same about spending a thousand quid extra on ANYTHING!

Odd to find anyone wanting to spend extra money on a site dedicated to SAVING money! I can sympathise with those who want a free OS that runs on lower spec machines (such as Linux) rather than run Windows, but the opposite is frankly bizarre.:?

I must get back to the real world now.... and get on with matters of saving money. This is getting a bit above my head
#31
Some good higher end specs on the Dell Outlet:

Studio XPS 8000
Intel Core i7-870 (2.93GHz,8MB,L3 Cache)
6x Blu-Ray ROM DriveProcessor
Windows Vista Home Premium
8gb mb (4x2GB)Hard Disk Drive
Hard Drive 1.5TB Serial ATA (7200RPM)
Graphics 1GB NVIDIA GeForce GT220 graphics
Mouse Dell Wheel USB 2 Button Scroll Black
Wireless European Dell Wireless 1505 Wireless-N MiniPCI Card
Dell Quietkey Black KeyboardMedia Bay

£764 delivered is good just considering the CPU upgrade let alone the RAM, HDD, Blu-ray and WiFi.
#32
nihcaj
I would rather cut both feet off and be tied to using a quill pen than spend an extra thousand quid on a Mac!

I don’t suppose you’ll be using an Apple iQuill that is available in a plethora of beautiful pastel shades but only writes on proprietary Apple paper that costs a thousand shekels per sheet. :)
#33
nihcaj
Actually I rather suspect a USB Pen Tablet may well work with a USB KVM switch given the right versions of software is installed on both machines, but have to admit I haven't tried it. I daresay the screens would need a more complex & expensive solution though, unless the secondary machine was limited to one monitor only, and you weren't spreading the desktop across both screens! (Clearly space is NOT actually a factor if there is all this room!)


Not sure what the space in NOT actually a factor comment is all about, 2 wall mounted screens take no desk/floor space and are standard for development these days. Checked out dual screen KVM's and they are nearing £100 so your budgetting starts to unravel

nihcaj

That's said I am a bit puzzled at what you want to do... I was assuming you were just using the virtual machines to try out software/web sites/data developed on the "main" machine, whereas in reality you are using the virtual machines as the primary deelopment platform. I would have thought running each on it's own or native machine would beat that hands down anyway, to be honest it's not something I would have even thought about - probably because it's the most expensive way of achieving that with (similar levels of performance), as older machines left over from upgrading can find good use this way: I just don't think like that, although I admit it would be taking a slight reduction in the convenience!


Time is money so false economy on a piece of kit makes no sense, it it takes me half a day more to achieve what I want to then I've paid the difference in the kit price in any case.

What I'm "trying to achieve" is to have a lightening fast development machine running Windows 7, with a virtual XP box available to ensure that the legacy software I have doesn't have to be replaced. I want to forget that background things actually happen at all so backups/virus scans and video rendering will just carry on and not waste a second of my development time.

nihcaj

"Voluntary" computer support for a small charity where I was a Trustee which had very little money for such niceties made me cost-conscious far more than convenience-conscious I suppose ;-)


I ran an IT department for a charity so understand cost, but I also worked for a large multi-national so feel I can also add the "benefit" side of the equation... cost in isolation is blinkered.

nihcaj

Anyway, I suppose it is easy to convince yourself that spending a lot to achieve an end result; done it often enough myself when I had the money. Cheap solutions are harder, and unfortunately do usually require small concessions, those small concessions often mean a LOT of cost saving though :-)


Your small concessions would possibly save me £200... and for that I'd lose flexibility and productivity, I can earn that £200 back by working faster and smarter AND enjoying having some leading edge tech to play with (which is of course the over riding decision point!)
#34
nihcaj
I would rather cut both feet off and be tied to using a quill pen than spend an extra thousand quid on a Mac In fact I would say the same about spending a thousand quid extra on ANYTHING!

Odd to find anyone wanting to spend extra money on a site dedicated to SAVING money! I can sympathise with those who want a free OS that runs on lower spec machines (such as Linux) rather than run Windows, but the opposite is frankly bizarre.:?

I must get back to the real world now.... and get on with matters of saving money. This is getting a bit above my head


Going a little overboard there old chap. Don't visit the US, whatever you do: Mac has 50% of desktop market in the US
#35
eglons;7009111
[COLOR=Red](My numbers in red added to ease replies)[/COLOR]
[COLOR=Red]1.[/COLOR]Checked out dual screen KVM's and they are nearing £100 so your budgetting starts to unravel

[COLOR=Red]2[/COLOR].Time is money so false economy on a piece of kit makes no sense, it it takes me half a day more to achieve what I want to then I've paid the difference in the kit price in any case.

[COLOR=Red]3[/COLOR].What I'm "trying to achieve" is to have a lightening fast development machine running Windows 7, with a virtual XP box available to ensure that the legacy software I have doesn't have to be replaced.

[COLOR=Red]4[/COLOR]. cost in isolation is blinkered.

[COLOR=Red]5[/COLOR].Your small concessions would possibly save me £200... and for that I'd lose flexibility and productivity, I can earn that £200 back by working faster and smarter

[COLOR=Red]6[/COLOR] AND enjoying having some leading edge tech to play with (which is of course the over riding decision point!)


1. That's exactly what I said in the first place: "screens would need a more complex & expensive solution" I would probably compromise over that too, and not go for a dual switch-able screen option though. It will depend of course on what you are doing, of course, so to some extent this might be the one point that does not necessarily work out.

2. Timeis money, but unless you are gambling on seconds to close a deal worth millions, the time savings we are talking about are so near irrelevant as to be pointless. It is a strategy to spend large sums for small benefit - the sort of thing everyone must have said to the Missus when making excuses for getting a new car, as it will "Save money on petrol... " you know the sort of thing, I have certainly used it often enough in the past, so I understand it perfectly!

3. Virtual machines are not as "lightning fast" as a Native machine, they inevitably have overheads, so it is always going to be a slower solution. If speed is that "millisecond crucial!" then native systems will always be faster, given that the spec of each of the machines is appropriate to each system. That's an extreme solution too.
Actually I could make a perfectly good argument for NOT hooking the machines up by anything other than a network, and PHYSICALLY stand up and go over to it... the change of position and getting up is probably a VERY good idea for well-being anyway, let alone worry about the seconds involved in twitching a different muscle to the one involved in switching to a different VM!... but I won't go too far down that avenue!

4.Blinkers often help a horse run a much better race, and let it see the route ahead instead of the distractions around it :whistling:
Interesting analogy in this case, but most situations mean it is not so much Blinkers, as having to run the race in a narrow deep trench in the first place, because lack of money means no other option at all, so you can't look any other way even if you wanted to.

5. Buying new machines yes. IN practice it would probably cost almost nothing at all, using existing machines for secondary OS's on purchasing a new main machine and save MANY Hundreds. People do this at home and business all the time - turn an older machine into a small media or torrent server for example (God, some on here even BUY really old machines at inflated prices to do that - I suppose your old ones are with one of the companies who buy them up in the first place instead of them being reused in-house!)
If a cost-irrelevant stance is taken for a small convenience benefit, then that would cost money of course, but I wouldn't be doing it that way.

6. There is the REAL crux of the argument! Noting other than Boys wanting new toys! ;-)

Anyway, I have a life too (productivity?.... pah!) :whistling: so enough arguing for now.
Interesting discussion for a change without much personal slagging off going on, but I suspect it is an un-winnable argument... for both of us!
You see ultra small footprint and maximum convenience as the way, I see compromise on just small issues to achieve good savings as more relevant.

Like most Mac users would justify paying 1600 quid for a 500 quid machine, whether they had the money or not; then there is nothing within the bounds of the boundless Universe I, or anyone else COULD say that would change that stance.

In a race for the timings you imagine are so crucial, I would certainly be seconds behind you, but have spent much less, (and I might even have less eye strain) :whistling:
#36
sokratesagogo;7011163
Going a little overboard there old chap. Don't visit the US, whatever you do: Mac has 50% of desktop market in the US


An interesting statistic. Arguable, VERY arguable - since when has [SIZE=2][SIZE=3]"Nearly half the money spent at US retail on desktop PCs goes to Apple" [/SIZE][/SIZE]meant anything like it having 50% of the market?
That is the poorest attemtp at twisting statistics I have ever laid eyes on! :whistling:

It was interesting anyway, so how about, equally meaningless words? Like......"Don't visit the Isle of Man, the 50% of the cats there have no tails" or "Eat crap, 900 Billion flies can't be wrong"..I could go on, but won't!

What on earth does the US have to do with any part of the argument? They use a different TV standard to us, but it doesn't mean we should all rush out and buy one of theirs!

What does market share have to do with it there OR here?
If Macs were cheaper than MS PCs and the software was there, and what I was wanting to use it for was easiest that way, I daresay I would be the first one to buy one of the gaudy-looking things, I certainly have no axe to grind over the system, just the extortionate price and the practicalities of implementation the way things are now, not the way things could be.

A similar argument applies in reverse to Linux... (without wanting to comment further it's not another argument I want!) there is nothing wrong with it, in itself, but for most PC users, why bother, it's cheap, but not as useable or as convenient.
#37
nihcaj
1. That's exactly what I said in the first place: "screens would need a more complex & expensive solution" I would probably compromise over that too, and not go for a dual switch-able screen option though. It will depend of course on what you are doing, of course, so to some extent this might be the one point that does not necessarily work out.

2. Timeis money, but unless you are gambling on seconds to close a deal worth millions, the time savings we are talking about are so near irrelevant as to be pointless. It is a strategy to spend large sums for small benefit - the sort of thing everyone must have said to the Missus when making excuses for getting a new car, as it will "Save money on petrol... " you know the sort of thing, I have certainly used it often enough in the past, so I understand it perfectly!

3. Virtual machines are not as "lightning fast" as a Native machine, they inevitably have overheads, so it is always going to be a slower solution. If speed is that "millisecond crucial!" then native systems will always be faster, given that the spec of each of the machines is appropriate to each system. That's an extreme solution too.
Actually I could make a perfectly good argument for NOT hooking the machines up by anything other than a network, and PHYSICALLY stand up and go over to it... the change of position and getting up is probably a VERY good idea for well-being anyway, let alone worry about the seconds involved in twitching a different muscle to the one involved in switching to a different VM!... but I won't go too far down that avenue!

4.Blinkers often help a horse run a much better race, and let it see the route ahead instead of the distractions around it :whistling:
Interesting analogy in this case, but most situations mean it is not so much Blinkers, as having to run the race in a narrow deep trench in the first place, because lack of money means no other option at all, so you can't look any other way even if you wanted to.

5. Buying new machines yes. IN practice it would probably cost almost nothing at all, using existing machines for secondary OS's on purchasing a new main machine and save MANY Hundreds. People do this at home and business all the time - turn an older machine into a small media or torrent server for example (God, some on here even BUY really old machines at inflated prices to do that - I suppose your old ones are with one of the companies who buy them up in the first place instead of them being reused in-house!)
If a cost-irrelevant stance is taken for a small convenience benefit, then that would cost money of course, but I wouldn't be doing it that way.

6. There is the REAL crux of the argument! Noting other than Boys wanting new toys! ;-)

Anyway, I have a life too (productivity?.... pah!) :whistling: so enough arguing for now.
Interesting discussion for a change without much personal slagging off going on, but I suspect it is an un-winnable argument... for both of us!
You see ultra small footprint and maximum convenience as the way, I see compromise on just small issues to achieve good savings as more relevant.

Like most Mac users would justify paying 1600 quid for a 500 quid machine, whether they had the money or not; then there is nothing within the bounds of the boundless Universe I, or anyone else COULD say that would change that stance.

In a race for the timings you imagine are so crucial, I would certainly be seconds behind you, but have spent much less, (and I might even have less eye strain) :whistling:



You make too many assumptions about the way someone else's work environment is setup to justify your points, but just to take one of them apart. I have 1 machine at present, my wife also has a machine which has been recycled from my previous upgrade 4 years ago... and it's dying the death. So I NEED to but a new machine, and its NEEDS to be a decent spec as she will be getting my current one. So lets say I go for some bargain compromise... I'd still end up spending £300-400 (I think even you'd agree), so max saving of say £300... but I am then down to a single machine with adequate performance for 3 years at least. Bear in mind this is the piece of kit that I rely on for my families income... would you really say that spending £300 over 3 years to guarantee that income is not a decent decision?

Actually dont answer that as I think you are entrenched in "must save money at all costs" mentality... and from that stand point I agree that you have valid points (it just doesn't suit my personal situation)/
#38
eglons;7019404
Actually dont answer that as I think you are entrenched in "must save money at all costs" mentality... and from that stand point I agree that you have valid points (it just doesn't suit my personal situation)/


Well, of course (applies to both points!)
After all, that's one of the main reasons people come to this site - if this was being discussed in a more general environment, I would probably not be taking up quite so weighted a stance.
#39
nihcaj
Well, of course (applies to both points!)
After all, that's one of the main reasons people come to this site - if this was being discussed in a more general environment, I would probably not be taking up quite so weighted a stance.


I dissagree, the site is about people find "value" not just cheapest in all cases. Good debate though, I think we actually probably agree on most point on the quiet!
#40
eglons;7029312
I dissagree, the site is about people find "value" not just cheapest in all cases. Good debate though, I think we actually probably agree on most point on the quiet!


Well, "one of the main reasons," yes. Value is certainly one other.

I do however think that it is rare for a "premium" priced product (of any sort) to offer real value, in the same way it is very rare for dirt cheap stuff to offer it; the true good value is usually somewhere in the gulf in between somewhere. The real trick is to get premium products at mediocre to low prices, and that's more of a challenge, and unfortunately fairly rare!

Steady on there - A debate? On here,? what, No personal abuse to hurl?.... Are you sure?
We agree on something?........ Shh! people will talk :whistling:

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