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Dell XPS 430 Intel® Core£622.00 delivered f2 Quad Core Processor Q8200 3GB DDR3 SDRAM 640 GB Hard Drive 21.5in Full HD Widescreen ***6% Quidco**

£622.00 @ Dell (Business)
1 Year Premium Warranty Support inc Accidental Damage Support normal retail off this is £799 delivered offer expires 11/03/2009 to get this price choose the following and use Dell 10% Discount Co… Read More
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8y, 3m agoFound 8 years, 3 months ago
1 Year Premium Warranty Support inc Accidental Damage Support
normal retail off this is £799 delivered offer expires 11/03/2009

to get this price choose the following and use Dell 10% Discount Code QDTQV2JXFB1ND3
n.b. choose 21.5 monitor and choose wirels keyboard
(keyborad say add 9.99 but actuall subtracts 9.99 watch the price at rhs when selecting)

Base Intel® Core 2 Quad Core Processor Q8200 (2.33GHz, 1333MHz, 4MB cache)

Microsoft Operating System Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium SP1 - English

Memory 3072MB 1067 MHz Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM [3x1024]
**Keyboard Dell Multimedia Wireless Keyboard & Mouse Black - UK/Irish
**Monitor 21.5in S2209W Full HD Widescreen Black UK/Irish (1920 x 1080) **
Video Card 512MB ATIRadeon HD 4670 graphics card
Hard Drive 640 GB Serial ATA non Raid (7200 Rpm)
Storage Devices 19-in-1 Media Card Reader
Optical Devices 16X DVD+/-RW (Read/Write DVD, CD)
Sound Cards Integrated HDA 7.1 Dolby Digital Audio
Speakers No Speakers (Speakers are required to hear audio from your system)
DataSafe Online Backup 2GB 1 year
Shipping Documents English Documentation with UK/Irish
Power Cord Gedis Bundle Reference D03X303 Standard
Warranty 1 Year Premium Warranty Support Enhanced Service Packs 1Yr Premium Warranty Support Order Information XPS Desktop 430 Order - UK Dell System Media Kit Resource DVD - (Diagnostics & Drivers) Accidental Damage Support Accidental Damage already selected in your Protection Plan Online Backup

Microsoft Application Software Microsoft® Works 9 - English Protect your new PC No Security/Anti-Virus Protection - English
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#2
http://hotukdeals.com/item/354031/dell-studio-quad-core-system-497-de/
Almost identical to this system, except for the graphics card... I personally don't know if the HD 4670 is worth 120 quid more than the HD 3650... If it is then this is a good deal..

Edit: Just saw this... Radeon 4870 512MB = £136 which is a better card for only 136... would personally get the other machine for 500ish, and buy the 4870...
#3
InfernoZeus
http://hotukdeals.com/item/354031/dell-studio-quad-core-system-497-de/
Almost identical to this system, except for the graphics card... I personally don't know if the HD 4670 is worth 120 quid more than the HD 3650... If it is then this is a good deal..

Edit: Just saw this... Radeon 4870 512MB = £136 which is a better card for only 136... would personally get the other machine for 500ish, and buy the 4870...


InfernoZeus I think you're forgetting some other important differences.

This has:
an on-site warranty (much better than the limited return and collect of the other one)
EDIT: wireless keyboard and mouse (as per OPs instructions) rather than wired.
larger faster HDD
faster memory
better PSU
an esata port
digital audio ports (optical and RCA)
more usb ports
a superior case

as well as a better graphics card ;-)

PS: Nice first deal eviltwin_sco
#4
Yeah you are paying an extra £125 for ddr3 extra 100gb hd better premium warranty and wireless keyboard mouse
Is ddr3 worth it? Not yet?
#5
Anyone know what this ATI card is like for gaming as compared to a 512Mb 8800GT?
#6
davt99
Anyone know what this ATI card is like for gaming as compared to a 512Mb 8800GT?


4670 graphics card is similar performance to a 512Mb Nvidia 8800GT.

The 8800GT is an older card now. It was superseded by the 8800GTX.

Obviosuly 4870 is better than the 4670.
#7
awesome price for a great spec
#8
For those that need significantly more processing power you can get a Studio XPS with Core i7 for £740 which is £117 more; the spec is a bit weaker in some areas though.
#9
I was looking at this one for video editing, an i7 for £746.

In my case I can take off another £140 since I dont need the monitor....

PROCESSOR Intel® Core™ i7 Processor 920 (2.66GHz, 8MB cache, 4.8GT/sec) edit
OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium SP1 64Bit - English edit
HARDWARE SUPPORT 1Yr Premium Warranty Support edit
MICROSOFT APPLICATION SOFTWARE Microsoft® Works 9 - English edit
MONITOR 21.5in S2209W Full HD Widescreen Black UK/Irish (1920 x 1080) edit
MEMORY 3072MB (3x1024) 1067MHz DDR3 Tri Channel edit
HARD DRIVE 500GB Serial ATA (7200RPM) Hard Drive edit
GRAPHICS CARD 256MB ATI® Radeon™ HD 3450 graphics card edit
OPTICAL DRIVE 16X DVD+/- RW Optical Drive (DVD & CD read and write) edit
KEYBOARD Dell Multimedia USB Keyboard Black - UK edit
MOUSE Dell Laser Mouse USB (6 buttons scroll) Black edit
Accessories
PROTECT YOUR NEW PC No Security/Anti-Virus Protection - English edit
SOUND SOFTWARE Integrated HDA 7.1 Dolby Digital Audio edit
SPEAKERS No Speakers (Speakers are required to hear audio from your system) edit
FLOPPY/MEDIA DRIVES 19-in-1 Media Card Reader edit
Services & Software
ACCIDENTAL DAMAGE SUPPORT No Accidental Damage Support edit
Also included with your system
Shipping Documents English Documentation with UK/IRL Power Cord
Gedis Bundle Reference D03SX01
Order Information XPS Desktop 430 Order - UK
Standard Warranty 1 Year Premium Warranty Support
DELL SYSTEM MEDIA KIT Resource DVD - (Diagnostics & Drivers)

Cheers

Jez
#10
Agharta
For those that need significantly more processing power you can get a Studio XPS with Core i7 for £740 which is £117 more; the spec is a bit weaker in some areas though.


Yes I need more power but id rather build my own PC then let Dell build it for me shudder the thought :whistling: but good deal if you cant be arsed to build your own one (yes and its my opinion and you can't change it.) :whistling:
#11
peackshelb
InfernoZeus I think you're forgetting some other important differences.

This has:
an on-site warranty (much better than the limited return and collect of the other one)
EDIT: wireless keyboard and mouse (as per OPs instructions) rather than wired.
larger faster HDD
faster memory
better PSU
an esata port
digital audio ports (optical and RCA)
more usb ports
a superior case

as well as a better graphics card ;-)

PS: Nice first deal eviltwin_sco

Didn't notice the warranty, but I've never had any problems with dell desktops to require warranty anyway... HDD are dirt cheap nowadays, faster memory won't make that much difference tbh.. I don't see the PSU mentioned anywhere... audio ports do add quite a bit though... not sure about usb ports + superior case argument though...

You're probably right, it is still a good deal I think, heat added :)
#12
FWIW I just picked up this on the outlet:

Studio XPS Intel Core i7 Processor 920 (2.66GHz)
Operating System English Genuine Windows Vista SP1 Home Premium (64 BIT)
System Price £575.87 (£660 inc.)

Memory: Memory 6144MB (6x1024) 1067MHz DDR3 Tri Channel
Hard Disk Drive: 640 GB HD Serial ATA non Raid (7200 Rpm)
Video: Graphics 512MB ATI Radeon 4850 Graphics card
CD Read-Write Drive: Optical Drive 16X DVD+/-RW Drive
MISC: Dell Quietkey Black Keyboard
Mouse Dell Wheel USB 2 Button Scroll Black
DVI to VGA port adapter
Vista OnLine Getting Started Guide (WW
TV Tuner
#13
do outlet haver as good warranty
#14
defsteve

The 8800GT is an older card now. It was superseded by the 8800GTX.



It wasn't, the 8800GT came out a fair bit after the 8800GTX.
#15
JezJezJez
I was looking at this one for video editing, an i7 for £746.

In my case I can take off another £140 since I dont need the monitor....

PROCESSOR Intel® Core™ i7 Processor 920 (2.66GHz, 8MB cache, 4.8GT/sec) edit
OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium SP1 64Bit - English edit
HARDWARE SUPPORT 1Yr Premium Warranty Support edit
MICROSOFT APPLICATION SOFTWARE Microsoft® Works 9 - English edit
MONITOR 21.5in S2209W Full HD Widescreen Black UK/Irish (1920 x 1080) edit
MEMORY 3072MB (3x1024) 1067MHz DDR3 Tri Channel edit
HARD DRIVE 500GB Serial ATA (7200RPM) Hard Drive edit
GRAPHICS CARD 256MB ATI® Radeon™ HD 3450 graphics card edit
OPTICAL DRIVE 16X DVD+/- RW Optical Drive (DVD & CD read and write) edit
KEYBOARD Dell Multimedia USB Keyboard Black - UK edit
MOUSE Dell Laser Mouse USB (6 buttons scroll) Black edit
Accessories
PROTECT YOUR NEW PC No Security/Anti-Virus Protection - English edit
SOUND SOFTWARE Integrated HDA 7.1 Dolby Digital Audio edit
SPEAKERS No Speakers (Speakers are required to hear audio from your system) edit
FLOPPY/MEDIA DRIVES 19-in-1 Media Card Reader edit
Services & Software
ACCIDENTAL DAMAGE SUPPORT No Accidental Damage Support edit
Also included with your system
Shipping Documents English Documentation with UK/IRL Power Cord
Gedis Bundle Reference D03SX01
Order Information XPS Desktop 430 Order - UK
Standard Warranty 1 Year Premium Warranty Support
DELL SYSTEM MEDIA KIT Resource DVD - (Diagnostics & Drivers)

Cheers

Jez


Tell me more!
#16
So is this worth getting or not? I want to play some games connect via HDMI to my plamsa
#17
GreyScale
It wasn't, the 8800GT came out a fair bit after the 8800GTX.


My bad. I was thinking of the 9800GTX.

I had an 8800GT (which died) and I got a refund and replaced with a 9800GTX.

So to answer the original posters question, the 8800GT is better than the 4670.
#18
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-radeon,2151-6.html
A great website listing the graphics cards available as of Feb '09 in hierarchical order..
#19
Dont add the 10% off coupon and it applies a £70 off coupon automatically instead (cant use both I tried).

It then comes up as £618.99 delivered, saving a couple of quid extra

Oh, and free upgrade to 64bit OS
#20
My mate has a Dell and apparently they do crazy things to stop you from upgrading yourself... is this true?
1 Like #21
TurksMeister
My mate has a Dell and apparently they do crazy things to stop you from upgrading yourself... is this true?

They train mice to detect when you are thinking of upgrading and hide them in the power supply so when they get suspicious they short circuit the power supply and give you an electric shock. There’s about a 1 in 5 chance that you will die of electrocution if you try to upgrade a Dell. Compared to Apple though the odds are sweet as they employ suicide bomber mice that detonate their explosive belts if you remove the cover of a Mac. That’s what I heard in the pub last night anyway.

The other answer is you can usually swap out anything yourself except for the motherboards which probably use non standard sizes; although the situation was worse in Roman times when if you wanted to upgrade your Dell Abacus you had to take it back to the factory in Damascus which was quite a hike for most.
2 Likes #22
slinkydonkey
Yes I need more power but id rather build my own PC then let Dell build it for me shudder the thought :whistling: but good deal if you cant be arsed to build your own one (yes and its my opinion and you can't change it.) :whistling:

Building your own will have the advantages of picking out each component that you want but will cost more to build it (approx £120-£150 more in this case for a like for like spec!) and obviously your own time.

Also worth noting that although you should get a warranty with all your componenets , should one fail , you are left with the lovely task of finding out which part is faulty, removing it from your pc and returning for exchange , then having to wait for a replacement to arrive (1 week ?? maybe 2 weeks ??)before having to re-install the replacement part .... or you could of course buy a pre-built system and should a problem occur then pick up the phone and arrange for an engineer to fix or replace your pc the next working day at your home !!! hmmmm , I think the disadvantages are quite clear here and for many this will make for an easy choice.
#23
Agharta
They train mice to detect when you are thinking of upgrading and hide them in the power supply so when they get suspicious they short circuit the power supply and give you an electric shock. There’s about a 1 in 5 chance that you will die of electrocution if you try to upgrade a Dell. Compared to Apple though the odds are sweet as they employ suicide bomber mice that detonate their explosive belts if you remove the cover of a Mac. That’s what I heard in the pub last night anyway.

The other answer is you can usually swap out anything yourself except for the motherboards which probably use non standard sizes; although the situation was worse in Roman times when if you wanted to upgrade your Dell Abacus you had to take it back to the factory in Damascus which was quite a hike for most.

nice answer .... is that all true ?? LOL
#24
rooney10
nice answer .... is that all true ?? LOL


No it's not - he's messing with you....it's a 1 in 6 chance :-D
#25
davt99
Anyone know what this ATI card is like for gaming as compared to a 512Mb 8800GT?


Apparently its rubbish - should be a 4870 minimum if you want a decent gaming pc - voted cold
#26
defsteve
4670 graphics card is similar performance to a 512Mb Nvidia 8800GT.

The 8800GT is an older card now. It was superseded by the 8800GTX.

Obviosuly 4870 is better than the 4670.


So is it possible to upgrade the OEM 4670 to a 4870 or an nvidia GTX260? would this casing permit that and the PSU support?
#27
No code for this minus the LCD?

Great machine for sure and I'd be tempted sans the LCD.
#28
Hey guys i found that changing the usb keyboard n usb laser mouse to wireless doesnt actually 'add 9.99' but substract 10.01! :-D
#29
XPS™ 430 - (D03X302 e voucher) !0% off code QDTQV2JXFB1ND3 £579.78
http://configure.euro.dell.com/dells...9cf56df4ab532a

PROCESSOR Intel® Core™ 2 Quad Core Processor Q8200 (2.33GHz, 1333MHz, 4MB cache)
OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium SP1 - English
HARDWARE SUPPORT 1Yr Premium Warranty Support
MICROSOFT APPLICATION SOFTWAREMicrosoft® Works 9 - English
MONITOR Display Not Included
MEMORY 3072MB 1067 MHz Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM [3x1024]
HARD DRIVE 640 GB Serial ATA non Raid (7200 Rpm)
GRAPHICS CARD 512MB ATI® Radeon™ 4850 Graphics card
OPTICAL DRIVE 16X DVD+/-RW (Read/Write DVD, CD)
KEYBOARD Dell Multimedia Wireless Keyboard & Mouse Black - UK/Irish this is not default need to select
MOUSE Mouse Included in Wireless Keyboard and Mouse option
Accessories PROTECT YOUR NEW PC No Security/Anti-Virus Protection - English
SOUND SOFTWARE Integrated HDA 7.1 Dolby Digital Audio
SPEAKERS No Speakers (Speakers are required to hear audio from your system)
FLOPPY/MEDIA DRIVES 19-in-1 Media Card Reader

Services & Software ACCIDENTAL DAMAGE SUPPORTAccidental Damage already selected in your Protection Plan
ONLINE DATA BACKUPDataSafe Online Backup 2GB 1 year
Also included with your system Shipping Documents English Documentation with UK/Irish Power Cord Gedis Bundle ReferenceD03X302Order Information XPS Desktop 430 Order - UKStandard Warranty 1 Year Premium Warranty Support Dell System Media Kit Resource DVD - (Diagnostics & Drivers)
#30
rooney10
Building your own will have the advantages of picking out each component that you want but will cost more to build it (approx £120-£150 more in this case for a like for like spec!) and obviously your own time.

Also worth noting that although you should get a warranty with all your componenets , should one fail , you are left with the lovely task of finding out which part is faulty, removing it from your pc and returning for exchange , then having to wait for a replacement to arrive (1 week ?? maybe 2 weeks ??)before having to re-install the replacement part .... or you could of course buy a pre-built system and should a problem occur then pick up the phone and arrange for an engineer to fix or replace your pc the next working day at your home !!! hmmmm , I think the disadvantages are quite clear here and for many this will make for an easy choice.


Don't think this deal includes on-site warranty ok if it does I have always built my home computers and nothing has ever failed on them and it would take me seconds to fix good luck with your nice foxconn chepo motherboard.
#31
Fujioka
No code for this minus the LCD? Great machine for sure and I'd be tempted sans the LCD.

You can choose a different base spec without a monitor starting at £599 before the 10% discount – C2Q or an i7 based system from £649 before discount – i7 system.
#32
slinkydonkey
Don't think this deal includes on-site warranty.

As far as I know all XPS systems come with an on-site warranty even if you buy from the Outlet.

slinkydonkey
I have always built my home computers and nothing has ever failed on them and it would take me seconds to fix good luck with your nice foxconn chepo motherboard.

Well even premium quality parts will fail at times so if everybody on HUKD did the same as you and built their own you can guarantee that some of them would have parts fail at some point.
Of course like you they could also replace say a faulty motherboard in seconds! Do you keep spares of everything? That must be expensive.
Say 7 days for a replacement to be mailed equals 7 x 24 x 60 x 60 = 604,800 seconds. (Days x hours x mins x secs). It’s still only seconds right! :whistling:
#33
Kezzie
Tell me more!


Hi Kezzie

Just follow this link
http://configure.euro.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?b=&c=uk&cs=ukdhs1&kc=DRSSX001&l=en&m_30=124967&oc=D03SX01&rbc=D03SX01&s=dhs

I went for the "basic" i7 system (500gb drive) but upgraded to 3gb of ram. It comes out at £611 with the 10% off. IMO a darn good deal!

Cheers

Jez
#34
Agharta
As far as I know all XPS systems come with an on-site warranty even if you buy from the Outlet.


Well even premium quality parts will fail at times so if everybody on HUKD did the same as you and built their own you can guarantee that some of them would have parts fail at some point.
Of course like you they could also replace say a faulty motherboard in seconds! Do you keep spares of everything? That must be expensive.
Say 7 days for a replacement to be mailed equals 7 x 24 x 60 x 60 = 604,800 seconds. (Days x hours x mins x secs). It’s still only seconds right! :whistling:


Who said anything needs to be mailed ? I get get parts from my local PC electronics company which is yes seconds away. :whistling: Michael Dell must love people like you to lazy to make your own computers. As i said none of my parts have failed so re work your maths smart ****
#35
slinkydonkey
Who said anything needs to be mailed? I get get parts from my local PC electronics company which is yes seconds away.

It’s always all about you you you isn’t it! :p
Not everybody lives next door to a PC parts supplier especially one with good prices so count yourself as being fortunate. I just hope they have the replacement part in stock if a part of yours should fail one day.

slinkydonkey
Michael Dell must love people like you to lazy to make your own computers.

I doubt it as I buy very cheap Dell’s for family members as the prices are so good from the Outlet that I just can’t compete with home building. They also have an on-site warranty included which is a bonus although so far nothing has failed on their desktop systems. I imagine he’s losing money on the systems I buy from him.
I build my own desktops though as I usually have specific requirements in terms of high performance and near silence. I only have a laptop and NetBook right now so it’s not an issue.

slinkydonkey
As i said none of my parts have failed so re work your maths

Statistically speaking a sample of 1 is meaningless so there are no meaningful maths to be calculated here. Your data by itself is an irrelevance.
#36
Agharta
It’s always all about you you you isn’t it! :p
Not everybody lives next door to a PC parts supplier especially one with good prices so count yourself as being fortunate. I just hope they have the replacement part in stock if a part of yours should fail one day.

No it all seems to be about Dell with you I would never buy a Dell Desktop anyone who knows anything about PC's would build there own simple.


I doubt it as I buy very cheap Dell’s for family members as the prices are so good from the Outlet that I just can’t compete with home building. They also have an on-site warranty included which is a bonus although so far nothing has failed on their desktop systems. I imagine he’s losing money on the systems I buy from him.
I build my own desktops though as I usually have specific requirements in terms of high performance and near silence. I only have a laptop and NetBook right now so it’s not an issue.

That's rubbish of course he is making a profit out of your laziness its not a Charity he is running. There on site warranty is great but you will have to spend a small fortune phoning there premium rate numbers talking to a dell engineer who will make sure you check everything on the computer before he sends a new part to you or if you are very lucky an engineer out to you let alone sends you a new replacement PC and by the way it wont even be a Dell Engineer they hire a 3rd party company to do this donkey work. Do what you like buy ill always build my PC and it will let there be no doubt be better than anything Dell can put together.

Statistically speaking a sample of 1 is meaningless so there are no meaningful maths to be calculated here. Your data by itself is an irrelevance.


You assumed (and we all know that to assume is the mother of all **** ups) that it took me more than a few seconds to install a new motherboard and gave me some meaningless calculations so it is your data which is irrelevant my son.
#37
slinkydonkey
You assumed that it took me more than a few seconds to install a new motherboard and gave me some meaningless calculations so it is your data which is irrelevant

I didn’t need to assume anything as your comments spoke clearly for themselves.
Some hardware faults can take a fairly long time to diagnose and once you’ve done that it still takes much longer than a few seconds to replace a motherboard even if you have a spare one with you. This is speaking from many years of experience working professionally in IT with my own and clients’ systems.

It saddens me when people like yourself feel the need to belittle others that wish to purchase a pre-built PC and show no interest in learning to build their own. To call people lazy for doing so is banal as in the great scheme of things knowing how to build a PC is one of the least interesting things that I know how to do. I find it easy but I have a logical mind but for others it’s somewhat tedious and time consuming and maybe they’d rather go salsa dancing or hiking in nature with friends than spend time keeping up to date with IT websites. There are many more interesting things that I would encourage people to do than learn how to build and maintain a PC. I’d happily pay money to have someone take care of that for me in the future which will be the case anyway as I only have laptops these days.

It may seem important in your world to brag about how you can diagnose and swap out a faulty part in seconds but in my world you come across as a sad, angry and arrogant fantasist and I feel compassion for your delusion which doesn’t serve the highest part of you but only feeds your ego. I wish for you to find a way to awaken your heart so you can see how empty it is to live from the limitation of an angry mind and then you will stop feeling the need to criticize others for the decisions they make. Building PCs can be fun for sure but why do you need to criticize others that wish to use their time in other ways? Today is the 50th anniversary of the Dalai Lama being in exile and I can humbly recommend as a non Buddhist that studying something like Tibetan Buddhism can be a good way to broaden the mind beyond the trivia of the material world that many are fixated on and finding a way to open oneself to love and compassion on a deep level. I hope you enjoy the rest of your journey.
#38
Ok, so i'm desperate for a new desktop. do I get the studio one for £497 or is this one worth the extra £130 ? Both seem to have same cpu and similar spec ?

Thanks
#39
superthomo
Ok, so i'm desperate for a new desktop. do I get the studio one for £497 or is this one worth the extra £130 ? Both seem to have same cpu and similar spec ?

Thanks


I have used XPS 710 / 730 and 420 's and my neighbour has an Inspiron which, build quality wise, is similar to the Studio I believe. There is a million miles between the Inspiron and the XPS 420 in terms of quality and build and the XPS support is very effective at home....once you get past the usual Indian sub continent call centre !! I have wanted a XPS 430 / 420 for some time and think I will go for this. Having built many machines in the past you will never satisfy, fair enough, enthusiasts desire for known high quality individual components but I can vouch for the quality and support of the XPS models above as we have had occaissional issues but they have all been resolved and well worth the extra money. My opinion I know but based on buying 20 XPS 710 / 730 machines and 17 XPS 420's for my office. :roll:
#40
jillamyalice
I have used XPS 710 / 730 and 420 's and my neighbour has an Inspiron which, build quality wise, is similar to the Studio I believe. There is a million miles between the Inspiron and the XPS 420 in terms of quality and build and the XPS support is very effective at home....once you get past the usual Indian sub continent call centre !! I have wanted a XPS 430 / 420 for some time and think I will go for this. Having built many machines in the past you will never satisfy, fair enough, enthusiasts desire for known high quality individual components but I can vouch for the quality and support of the XPS models above as we have had occaissional issues but they have all been resolved and well worth the extra money. My opinion I know but based on buying 20 XPS 710 / 730 machines and 17 XPS 420's for my office. :roll:


Thanks, Good luck to liverpool tonight, torres should have just scored in the second minute!:w00t:

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