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I tried to get my mum a Senior Railcard when the glitch was working, giving £10 off the £30 annual Railcard's but I was just too late.

But I did some searching and found that there is a Disabled Railcard, and it is very rarely advertised whereas all the other railcards are (friends and family, senior, student etc). I was amazed that the criteria to apply for one is quite wide. My mum has hearing aids and that was enough. I just had to scan the front of her hearing aid battery replacement book to complete her application.

Now here are the very best bits:

1, This card only costs £20 where the others cost £30 per year

2, The card gives 1/3rd off train tickets for the holder, BUT if the railcard holder travels with someone then that person also gets 1/3rd off too

3, Unlike all the other schemes, this card allows you to travel during peak times, not restricted to off peak only.

I hope this helps others, and I just wish I had known about it sooner.

£54 for three years.

- supermann

the criteria aren't as wide as perhaps implied:

* In receipt of Disability Living Allowance Mobility component

* In receipt of Disability Living Allowance Care component - medium or highest only

* In receipt of Personal Independence Payments

* In receipt of Attendance Allowance

* In receipt of Severe Disablement Allowance

* In receipt of War Pensioner's Mobility Supplement

* In receipt of War or Service Disablement Pension for 80% or more disabiltiy

* Have a Motability vehicle

* Have epilepsy, and are prohibited by the DVLA from driving, or have an exemption certificate for epilepsy medication

* Are registered deaf

* Have an NHS or private hearing aid prescription (note a private hearing aid costs around £1500+, so the idiots implying there is a scam/sponging here should get lost)

or a registered visual impairment/blindness

- dudedude

ADDITIONALLY: You can link the disabled railcard card to an Oyster card to receive a 1/3rd off of tube when using the Oyster card.

- to clarify the above comment re Oyster: the railcard doesn't directly give a discount off bus fares, but it does discount the daily caps which bus as well as train and DLR count towards. Emirates doesn't count towards the caps and isn't discounted by the railcard.

One adult travelling with the disabled railcard holder can buy a paper Travelcard, Zones 1-6 or greater, at a 1/3 discount.
- faddy54
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2 Likes #81
Although I hate national rail to bits. It's nice to see this for genuinely disabled people. Need more assistance in day to day. But I certainly don't mean the fake benefit cheating pretending to be disabled type. Heat.
4 Likes #82
peeej1978
ludwig352
peeej1978
Gollywood
Not everyone that has a disability claims benefits
Not everyone that BUYS this card will use it
Not all disabled people are a burden on the tax payer..
And disabled people also pay taxes!!!!
Peej. Chill out!
​1. I AM. disabled.
2. Most of what you've written I haven't made comment on.
3. Just because someone is eligible doesn't mean they NEED the benefit. Give it to those who NEED. Not all those with an irrelevant disability (like mine!).
Unfortunately you're banging your head against a brick wall here, matey. Some people only want morals if they're free. If they give your opinions fair consideration and question whether their actions are just, it might cost them a few quid.... They'll search around for people who have the same attitude in order to justify their selfishness.
​Yup. The thing I've realised here is that people's own self interest is far greater than people seeing sense. It's a sad state of affairs that people's self serving nature takes precidence over anything else. Glad I don't surround myself with these type of people in my personal life. The stupidity of it all is, it's costs us ALL more eventually, so there really is no saving to be had in the long run. But as you say, saving a few quid In the immediate term seems far more important than doing the 'right' thing.
The decision on eligibility criteria was made when the rules were drawn up to create a level playing field for all - not left for you to use your personal judgement (fortunately). You are skipping around the subject of dishonesty/fraud, which is a somewhat different thing. Applicants are either fully eligible within the rules or are attempting fraud.
Anyway, hardly compares to sending £5M+ to the African Spice Girls, does it - and that's 'legal' in the strictest sense?

Edited By: Besford on Jan 07, 2017 15:10
11 Likes #83
peeej1978

​absolutely! I'm not suggesting the disability discount Is the only area of saving. I'm just saying that those who don't NEED it shouldn't claim it.
I support someone who is Autistic - who would really struggle to get around (and use trains etc) without help..... and I mean someone to travel with them.
So they have had this Disabled Railcard - in the past, but it has not been renewed for a couple of years, as even a day trip to London has proved too much for them to cope with.
So, when it wasn't needed, it was not applied for.
When they did have one it meant a Carer/Companion could travel with them. You may view this as the Tax payer subsidising 2 people, but I see it that the Train companies are having 2 people paying 2/3rd of the TWO ticket prices - rather than 1 person buying ONE full priced ticket. So the Train company is getting MORE money than it would have if the person had not been disabled, and so needed someone to go with them.... if that makes sense.
As to being able to use this at Peak Times - most none working Disabled would probably avoid peak times anyway...
a) Because it is still massively too expensive for their very limited means (Benefits for the Disabled have been ruthlessly slashed by the Tories)
b) Because of how busy Trains and Platforms/Stations are - not good whether you are Autistic or in a Wheelchair

Re OP, the way I read it, the MUM was eligible for the Older Persons Railcard - but OP missed the offer to get £10 off the price - but then realised she was eligible for a Disabled Railcard.
(And I have NEVER known there to be any discount on the price of the Disabled Railcard)
Does it really matter that she got one, rather than the other ?
I can imagine someone with hearing problems may require someone to travel with them - I do not require a hearing aid, but I frequently struggle to hear/comprehend announcements properly as they seem so distorted....
#84
peeej1978
Reality
It's probably not widely known, because most disabled are unable to travel by rail.


​Most disabled? You do realise that the vast majority of disabled people (myself included) aren't actually wheelchair or bed bound dont you?


​I'm a wheelchair user and a train user so I'm not sure what your point is.
#85
elliff
peeej1978
You know, all these railcards are subsidised by massive government investments. And guess who funds those subsidies? I'm all for getting a bargain. And I'm all for appropriate benefits for those that 'need' it. But I see so many people abusing the good nature of our benefit culture just to save a few quid, and its the hard working, honest tax payers that ultimately foot the bill.

Sorry, but that is not even remotely true - it is not in any way subsidised by the government. All railcards are a marketing tool to get people to use the train (particulary during off peak periods when trains are much quieter.)

Following your logic, season ticket holders are subsided by the tax payer - A commuter paying around £5000 a year for their season ticket, who travels five times a week pays around £20 a day to travel - a non season ticket traveller travelling peak time would pay £75-80 for the same journey.

It's not subsidy, it's dynamic pricing to maximise revenue. The reality is that all railcards (including this one) encourage rail travel which increases users which increases revenue which REDUCES subsidy!


​The rail companies still charge the government a percentage of each transaction saving when using a disabled railcard - whilst accepting a smaller percentage to be absorbed by themselves. I'm not sure of the train percentage figures but for disabled and retired free bus travel for example the operator accepts about a third to be absorbed inhouse whilst the government reimburse them the other two thirds. Similarly on trains they'll be sending a bill for the percentage agreed usually two thirds or more of each saving issued to remain as profitable as possible.

Of course they won't bill the tax payer for their other cards such as students or under 25s which are indeed for marketing but when it comes to disabled and retired folks where they are allowed to claim back most of the costs of course they will and this is why they allow you to book first class etc. rather than setting terms for basic seating and off peak only like other schemes will do.
5 Likes #86
peeej1978
ludwig352
peeej1978
Gollywood
Not everyone that has a disability claims benefits
Not everyone that BUYS this card will use it
Not all disabled people are a burden on the tax payer..
And disabled people also pay taxes!!!!
Peej. Chill out!
​1. I AM. disabled.
2. Most of what you've written I haven't made comment on.
3. Just because someone is eligible doesn't mean they NEED the benefit. Give it to those who NEED. Not all those with an irrelevant disability (like mine!).
Unfortunately you're banging your head against a brick wall here, matey. Some people only want morals if they're free. If they give your opinions fair consideration and question whether their actions are just, it might cost them a few quid.... They'll search around for people who have the same attitude in order to justify their selfishness.
​Yup. The thing I've realised here is that people's own self interest is far greater than people seeing sense. It's a sad state of affairs that people's self serving nature takes precidence over anything else. Glad I don't surround myself with these type of people in my personal life. The stupidity of it all is, it's costs us ALL more eventually, so there really is no saving to be had in the long run. But as you say, saving a few quid In the immediate term seems far more important than doing the 'right' thing.

What you haven't realise is that your original argument, that subsidies like this put rail prices up for everyone else, is complete and utter nonsense.

These railcards cost national rail hardly anything. If anything, they probably make money, as they're selling someone a discounted ticket, rather that the empty seat they may have been carrying otherwise.
#87
hodgester
You mean like MP expenses?

peeej1978
You know, all these railcards are subsidised by massive government investments. And guess who funds those subsidies? I'm all for getting a bargain. And I'm all for appropriate benefits for those that 'need' it. But I see so many people abusing the good nature of our benefit culture just to save a few quid, and its the hard working, honest tax payers that ultimately foot the bill.


​yes. another often abused benefit. People are selfish.
10 Likes #88
ludwig352
Peej's point is quite valid. If someone needs and deserves this then great, awareness raised. What worries me is the amount of greedy so-and-so's who will abuse this given the chance, when the benefit isn't intended for them... You just have to look at the bold-faced thieves who use this forum to brag about signing up for silly "further education courses" just to take advantage of nus card discounts.
Whilst I do not disagree with you, I could equally say......
"What worries me is the amount of greedy so-and-so's who will abuse this given the chance, when the Tax break isn't intended for them"

How many millionaires are using every TAX benefit in the book (and many not even written yet) to avoid paying Taxes?
Wasn't there a banker who had been fiddling his train ticket - for YEARS!!
He could well afford the proper price, but he was just wanting to pay less.

It always makes me smile when I hear politicians and economists argue that by reducing the top rate of tax, they actually get more money coming into the revenue.
Their logic seems to be - if the tax rate is 50%, Millionaires will do all they can to avoid paying it, but if they reduce it to 45% say, the millionaires will say - "Well, that seems fair. I won't bother paying that expensive accountant to weave his magic and get away with me paying ZERO in taxes..... I will just have my income fairly assessed this year and pay the taxes I should"

Yeah, right.
I really believe that happens.
If people can avoid paying taxes at 50%, they will also avoid paying taxes at 40%, and 30% and 20%......
They will just avoid paying taxes, because they can - end of.
#89
cabstar
peeej1978
You know, all these railcards are subsidised by massive government investments. And guess who funds those subsidies? I'm all for getting a bargain. And I'm all for appropriate benefits for those that 'need' it. But I see so many people abusing the good nature of our benefit culture just to save a few quid, and its the hard working, honest tax payers that ultimately foot the bill.
Are you saying that people who claim this offer may not be taxpayers? You know everyone pays into the tax system via VAT right?


​nope. in not saying that.
#90
bma1445
peeej1978
ludwig352
peeej1978
Gollywood
Not everyone that has a disability claims benefits
Not everyone that BUYS this card will use it
Not all disabled people are a burden on the tax payer..
And disabled people also pay taxes!!!!
Peej. Chill out!
​1. I AM. disabled.
2. Most of what you've written I haven't made comment on.
3. Just because someone is eligible doesn't mean they NEED the benefit. Give it to those who NEED. Not all those with an irrelevant disability (like mine!).
Unfortunately you're banging your head against a brick wall here, matey. Some people only want morals if they're free. If they give your opinions fair consideration and question whether their actions are just, it might cost them a few quid.... They'll search around for people who have the same attitude in order to justify their selfishness.
​Yup. The thing I've realised here is that people's own self interest is far greater than people seeing sense. It's a sad state of affairs that people's self serving nature takes precidence over anything else. Glad I don't surround myself with these type of people in my personal life. The stupidity of it all is, it's costs us ALL more eventually, so there really is no saving to be had in the long run. But as you say, saving a few quid In the immediate term seems far more important than doing the 'right' thing.

What you haven't realise is that your original argument, that subsidies like this put rail prices up for everyone else, is complete and utter nonsense.

These railcards cost national rail hardly anything. If anything, they probably make money, as they're selling someone a discounted ticket, rather that the empty seat they may have been carrying otherwise.


What don't you understand?I've never once said that the subsidies put up rail fares for everyone else. Where have I said that? You've utterly missed the point.
#91
Her_Indoors
ludwig352
Peej's point is quite valid. If someone needs and deserves this then great, awareness raised. What worries me is the amount of greedy so-and-so's who will abuse this given the chance, when the benefit isn't intended for them... You just have to look at the bold-faced thieves who use this forum to brag about signing up for silly "further education courses" just to take advantage of nus card discounts.
Whilst I do not disagree with you, I could equally say......
"What worries me is the amount of greedy so-and-so's who will abuse this given the chance, when the Tax break isn't intended for them"

How many millionaires are using every TAX benefit in the book (and many not even written yet) to avoid paying Taxes?
Wasn't there a banker who had been fiddling his train ticket - for YEARS!!
He could well afford the proper price, but he was just wanting to pay less.

It always makes me smile when I hear politicians and economists argue that by reducing the top rate of tax, they actually get more money coming into the revenue.
Their logic seems to be - if the tax rate is 50%, Millionaires will do all they can to avoid paying it, but if they reduce it to 45% say, the millionaires will say - "Well, that seems fair. I won't bother paying that expensive accountant to weave his magic and get away with me paying ZERO in taxes..... I will just have my income fairly assessed this year and pay the taxes I should"

Yeah, right.
I really believe that happens.
If people can avoid paying taxes at 50%, they will also avoid paying taxes at 40%, and 30% and 20%......
They will just avoid paying taxes, because they can - end of.


​I agree. I'm simply trying to say that just because we CAN doesn't mean we SHOULD. People seem to have lost their own moral compass. Politicians included. People's attitude on here seems to be, if I can save money irrespective of the impact on others, I'll do it because it serves my own wants. I'm trying to suggest there is more to life than selfishness.
#92
People out of work for a long time with no disability should be made to work for their benefits on re nationalised railways making tickets cheaper for everyone, put the millions of profits into new homes. While you're at it renationalise the power and post... corrigan for prime minister
4 Likes #93
As a recipient of PIP and a blue badge holder - I didn't know about this. Thank op. Appreciated. Heat added.
1 Like #94
bbbking
you don't need to buy a railcard to get discount with a disability, as my wife has to go to a london hospital once a year for scans and is in a wheelchair permanently when you phone and book for assisted travel you will get discount for the carer,think you only pay for one ticket, as we only go once a year it's not worth paying the £20 a year for a rail card, hope this helps.


​Well that'll pi55 peeej off even more. Subsidised travel without purchasing a railcard!!
#95
Gollywood
bbbking
you don't need to buy a railcard to get discount with a disability, as my wife has to go to a london hospital once a year for scans and is in a wheelchair permanently when you phone and book for assisted travel you will get discount for the carer,think you only pay for one ticket, as we only go once a year it's not worth paying the £20 a year for a rail card, hope this helps.


​Well that'll pi55 peeej off even more. Subsidised travel without purchasing a railcard!!


​I don't mind subsidised rail travel. I have no issues with helping those in need. You've utterly missed the Point.
1 Like #96
I have dyspraxia. Am I eligible? It means learning to drive is difficult.
1 Like #97
or £54 for 3 years ;)
1 Like #98
peeej1978
You know, all these railcards are subsidised by massive government investments. And guess who funds those subsidies? I'm all for getting a bargain. And I'm all for appropriate benefits for those that 'need' it. But I see so many people abusing the good nature of our benefit culture just to save a few quid, and its the hard working, honest tax payers that ultimately foot the bill.


I have never heard such tosh.....

How is the railcard subsidised?
#99
Heat added, this is a cool deal :)
1 Like #100
Her_Indoors
[quote=peeej1978]

(And I have NEVER known there to be any discount on the price of the Disabled Railcard)

If the disabled person knows anyone with a Gold Card, the Gold Card holder can get them the railcard for £10. The three-year deal is good as well, but only if the disabled person is likely to use it every year.

I am an Annual Gold Card holder and would like to buy a Disabled Persons Railcard for myself or someone else for £10

It's not just for national rail fares, you can also load the railcard on to Oyster cards to get a discount on London fares, and also get 1/3 off a travelcard for a companion.
Oyster discounts
12 Likes #101
Its a sad state of affairs to see what this country is coming to.

Its clear in this thread there is a few people who think the disabled and those on benefits are running this country into the ground.

Wake up!
The government has done this. Its the government who has pillaged and plundered for far to long.
Its the government who have filled their own pockets with tax payers money.
Its the government who have ran up eye watering debt and responded with austerity cuts.
The government are happy for the public and media to demonise benefits as it takes the attention off the bigger picture.

Give the people something to hate and hopefully they look the other way.

Edited By: callum84 on Jan 07, 2017 16:21
1 Like #102
gp1602
peeej1978
quidstretchy
peeej1978
You know, all these railcards are subsidised by massive government investments. And guess who funds those subsidies? I'm all for getting a bargain. And I'm all for appropriate benefits for those that 'need' it. But I see so many people abusing the good nature of our benefit culture just to save a few quid, and its the hard working, honest tax payers that ultimately foot the bill.
The Donald has spoken, albeit, and unusually, in somewhat more than 140 characters.
​LoL. Why? Because I have a conscience that doesn't feel comfortable claiming benefits that I'm not really in need of? I don't object to having the benefit available. I object to the abuse of the benefit by people that really don't need it.
I do not understand this argument one bit? Someone posts a deal for something they are perfectly entitled to and for some reason gets a comment about benefit fraud essentially?!
Please make sure you NEVER pay your window cleaner cash again!

Better yet clean your own windows
#103
oldskoolpug
peeej1978
You know, all these railcards are subsidised by massive government investments. And guess who funds those subsidies? I'm all for getting a bargain. And I'm all for appropriate benefits for those that 'need' it. But I see so many people abusing the good nature of our benefit culture just to save a few quid, and its the hard working, honest tax payers that ultimately foot the bill.


I have never heard such tosh.....

How is the railcard subsidised?


​The rail companies were given a subsidy of 4bn last financial year. On top of which, a small percentage of disability and elderly ticket price reductions are paid for by the government directly. The subsidy isn't under dispute. Just do some reading.
1 Like #104
humanracer
I have dyspraxia. Am I eligible? It means learning to drive is difficult.
The criteria is set out on their web site, however they can consider a range of disabilities if you send them info and proof of your disability they can make a judgement. Might be worth also checking what I,D or proof you'd need to carry with your rail card on the train. Proof of disability can be asked for when traveling, by conductors checking your ticket (despite the comments on here the railways are normally hot about catching out fraudsters).
Dyspraxia can be mild to severe so explaining the level of yours and travel needs to them would be wise.






Edited By: Si1 on Jan 07, 2017 16:40
1 Like #105
montana78
Reality
It's probably not widely known, because most disabled are unable to travel by rail.
They are better in a train because they can get up and walk around rather then sit in a car for a 2hr journey. And they can go loo whenever they want.. and will get assistance when needed.

oh yes, of course, using the stairs to cross the platforms is also better for someone stuck in a wheelchair, or on crutches? (as is the situation still at most non london train stations).
6 Likes #106
callum84
Its a sad state of affairs to see what this country is coming to.

Its clear in this thread there is a few people who think the disabled and those on benefits are running this country into the ground.

Wake up!
The government has done this. Its the government who has pillaged and plundered for far to long.
Its the government who have filled their own pockets with tax payers money.
Its the government who have ran up eye watering debt and responded with austerity cuts.
The government are happy for the public and media to demonise benefits as it takes the attention off the bigger picture.

Give the people something to hate and hopefully they look the other way.
Yes indeed its same old same old of, rich people (politicians/papers) telling working class people to hate poor or disabled people.. adding in some bad press about the tiny fraction abusing a system and ignoring the owed tax not paid by big business that would wipe out all benefits costs with change each year if only they were forced to cough it up.
3 Likes #107
NickyOhMG
elliff
peeej1978
You know, all these railcards are subsidised by massive government investments. And guess who funds those subsidies? I'm all for getting a bargain. And I'm all for appropriate benefits for those that 'need' it. But I see so many people abusing the good nature of our benefit culture just to save a few quid, and its the hard working, honest tax payers that ultimately foot the bill.
Sorry, but that is not even remotely true - it is not in any way subsidised by the government. All railcards are a marketing tool to get people to use the train (particulary during off peak periods when trains are much quieter.)
Following your logic, season ticket holders are subsided by the tax payer - A commuter paying around £5000 a year for their season ticket, who travels five times a week pays around £20 a day to travel - a non season ticket traveller travelling peak time would pay £75-80 for the same journey.
It's not subsidy, it's dynamic pricing to maximise revenue. The reality is that all railcards (including this one) encourage rail travel which increases users which increases revenue which REDUCES subsidy!
​The rail companies still charge the government a percentage of each transaction saving when using a disabled railcard - whilst accepting a smaller percentage to be absorbed by themselves. I'm not sure of the train percentage figures but for disabled and retired free bus travel for example the operator accepts about a third to be absorbed inhouse whilst the government reimburse them the other two thirds. Similarly on trains they'll be sending a bill for the percentage agreed usually two thirds or more of each saving issued to remain as profitable as possible.
Of course they won't bill the tax payer for their other cards such as students or under 25s which are indeed for marketing but when it comes to disabled and retired folks where they are allowed to claim back most of the costs of course they will and this is why they allow you to book first class etc. rather than setting terms for basic seating and off peak only like other schemes will do.

Are you not thinking of things like freedom passes, local authority railcards and bus passes (for those outside London.)

The disabled railcard is something totally different and train companies don't (as far as I'm aware) claim the difference in fare from the government. Railcards (including disabled railcards) are a condition of the franchise and the revenue earned from the sale of the railcards is distributed by ATOC on an agreed by TOC share.

I've worked on the railways for over 11 years, had many many meetings with revenue and pricing managers and never has the ability to claim back the discounted part of the fare from the government been mentioned (again, solely the disabled railcard not things like disabled freedom passes).

Subsidy differs from TOC to TOC but it is usually related to overall revenue - normally an agreed amount based upon forecast revenue, with a reduction in subsidy if revenue is above forecast and an increase in subsidy if revenue is below forecast (called revenue support) - I'm completely unaware of a ticket by ticket subsidy or claim back that you describe.

Can you give me the source of your claim? Not calling you out - I'm genuinely interested.

All I can find is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disabled_Persons_Railcard
4 Likes #108
hudrum
Her_Indoors
[quote=peeej1978]

(And I have NEVER known there to be any discount on the price of the Disabled Railcard)

If the disabled person knows anyone with a Gold Card, the Gold Card holder can get them the railcard for £10. The three-year deal is good as well, but only if the disabled person is likely to use it every year.

I am an Annual Gold Card holder and would like to buy a Disabled Persons Railcard for myself or someone else for £10

It's not just for national rail fares, you can also load the railcard on to Oyster cards to get a discount on London fares, and also get 1/3 off a travelcard for a companion.
Oyster discounts




​Peeej might explode after reading this :D
#109
Gollywood
hudrum
Her_Indoors
[quote=peeej1978]

(And I have NEVER known there to be any discount on the price of the Disabled Railcard)

If the disabled person knows anyone with a Gold Card, the Gold Card holder can get them the railcard for £10. The three-year deal is good as well, but only if the disabled person is likely to use it every year.

I am an Annual Gold Card holder and would like to buy a Disabled Persons Railcard for myself or someone else for £10

It's not just for national rail fares, you can also load the railcard on to Oyster cards to get a discount on London fares, and also get 1/3 off a travelcard for a companion.
Oyster discounts




​Peeej might explode after reading this :D


​Still missing the point I see. :p
7 Likes #110
peeej1978
You know, all these railcards are subsidised by massive government investments. And guess who funds those subsidies? I'm all for getting a bargain. And I'm all for appropriate benefits for those that 'need' it. But I see so many people abusing the good nature of our benefit culture just to save a few quid, and its the hard working, honest tax payers that ultimately foot the bill.

Yet rich toffs like David Cameron and Co claim for anything and everything they can... and we're not talking £20 railcards here. They claim for things like wind farms and farm subsidies which Ian Duncan-Smith claims for, which runs in to THOUSANDS... and these people are already filthy rich.

And you are begrudging yourself and others a railcard for discounts on the worst and MOST EXPENSIVE rail system in Europe, probably the world?

You are one obsequious, obedient fool... David Cameron and Co trained you well. (I could rant and rave over your comment for days - you need to get a radically new outlook on life.)

Edited By: MadeInBeats on Jan 07, 2017 17:24: .
4 Likes #111
Thanks op i am eligible as I have epilepsy
4 Likes #112
thank you didn't know about this and husbands had 2 major stokes and this would be great as Cnt drive now thank you :D
1 Like #113
WolverhamptonDealDon
Thanks op i am eligible as I have epilepsy
My daughter has one because of her epilepsy.
#114
aljack
Also this railcard qualifies for someone who is travelling with you to receive the same 1/3 discount.

Thank you... I didn't know that!
3 Likes #115
peeej1978
You know, all these railcards are subsidised by massive government investments. And guess who funds those subsidies? I'm all for getting a bargain. And I'm all for appropriate benefits for those that 'need' it. But I see so many people abusing the good nature of our benefit culture just to save a few quid, and its the hard working, honest tax payers that ultimately foot the bill.
Are you aware that people on benefits pay tax on the benefits they receive?

Edited By: alritegeeza on Jan 07, 2017 17:33
#116
peeej1978
bma1445
peeej1978
ludwig352
peeej1978
Gollywood
Not everyone that has a disability claims benefits
Not everyone that BUYS this card will use it
Not all disabled people are a burden on the tax payer..
And disabled people also pay taxes!!!!
Peej. Chill out!
​1. I AM. disabled.
2. Most of what you've written I haven't made comment on.
3. Just because someone is eligible doesn't mean they NEED the benefit. Give it to those who NEED. Not all those with an irrelevant disability (like mine!).
Unfortunately you're banging your head against a brick wall here, matey. Some people only want morals if they're free. If they give your opinions fair consideration and question whether their actions are just, it might cost them a few quid.... They'll search around for people who have the same attitude in order to justify their selfishness.
​Yup. The thing I've realised here is that people's own self interest is far greater than people seeing sense. It's a sad state of affairs that people's self serving nature takes precidence over anything else. Glad I don't surround myself with these type of people in my personal life. The stupidity of it all is, it's costs us ALL more eventually, so there really is no saving to be had in the long run. But as you say, saving a few quid In the immediate term seems far more important than doing the 'right' thing.
What you haven't realise is that your original argument, that subsidies like this put rail prices up for everyone else, is complete and utter nonsense.
These railcards cost national rail hardly anything. If anything, they probably make money, as they're selling someone a discounted ticket, rather that the empty seat they may have been carrying otherwise.
What don't you understand?I've never once said that the subsidies put up rail fares for everyone else. Where have I said that? You've utterly missed the point.

peeej1978
callum84
peeej1978
You know, all these railcards are subsidised by massive government investments. And guess who funds those subsidies? I'm all for getting a bargain. And I'm all for appropriate benefits for those that 'need' it. But I see so many people abusing the good nature of our benefit culture just to save a few quid, and its the hard working, honest tax payers that ultimately foot the bill.
They have set a criteria of who is eligible and they by what OP says are checking these conditions are met.
If someone is elligible they shouldnt be made to feel ashamed to apply.
Subsidies like this, that have been set aside by government should be used to full potential by those elligible.
If money is not spent on something worthwhile like this it will just be used for something else which probably will be a total waste of money.
How about making the criteria more appropriate to the actual disability, and then spend the remainder of the money saved reducing railfares for the masses? A lot more people would benefit then - yourself included. I'm technically eligible for the benefit. I just think it's wrong as I, and many many others who are eligible, simply shouldn't be eligible. People are blind to the fact we are all paying for these benefits and it isn't going to those that truly need it.
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alritegeeza
peeej1978
You know, all these railcards are subsidised by massive government investments. And guess who funds those subsidies? I'm all for getting a bargain. And I'm all for appropriate benefits for those that 'need' it. But I see so many people abusing the good nature of our benefit culture just to save a few quid, and its the hard working, honest tax payers that ultimately foot the bill.
Are you aware that people on benefits pay tax on the benefits they receive?


​you've missed the point.
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Too many people on their high horse getting up their own ****, as if they are perfect and everyone else are peasants.

I guarantee that they wouldn't say a thing in real life to any lady sat on the train with a disabled ticket.

In fact there are so many benefits and ways to help people with disabilities or people that are single parents or people that are unemployed but you need to know about to claim it, they won't tell you about it. My mum is disabled and doesn't work, she could claim for my step dad being her carer and claim more benefits but she won't because she feels like people will judge her, so she struggles on the bare minimum and having to pay more rent on a bungalow because she can't get up the stairs in a normal house.

If only humans had the ability to think before they spoke.
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This is not a deal. The price is always £20.00.
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Ty didn't know about this

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