[Ebuyer] Samsung EcoGreen F2 1TB Hard Drive SATAII 32MB Cache OEM - £54.99 Delivered. - HotUKDeals
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Different HDD to before, this is the ecogreen version. £54.99 delivered with supersaver shipping option. Ebuyer mentions 16MB Cache, however samsungs own site does mention a 32MB one.

EDIT:- Ebuyer's site now says 32MB Cache.

Samsung SpinPoint F2EG Desktop Class HD103SI - hard drive - 1 TB - SATA-300
Type Hard drive - internal
Form factor 3.5" x 1/3H
Dimensions (wxdxh) 10.2 cm x 14.7 cm x 2.6 cm
Weight 0.61 kg
Capacity 1 TB
Interface type Serial ATA-300
Data transfer rate 300 MBps
Average seek time 8.9 ms
Buffer size 32 MB
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#1
EcoGreen ... yet no mention of power consumtion :P
#2
not much different in power here are the specs for this

Power Requirements Voltage +5V±5%, +12V±10%
Spin-up Current (Max.) 2.0A
Seek (typical) 5.2W
Read/Write (typical) 5.6W
Idle (typical) 4.4W
Standby (typical) 1W

Sleep (typical) 1W

below are the specs for the normal 1TB drive

Power Requirements Voltage +5V±5%, +12V±10%
Spin-up Current (Max.) 2.4 A

Seek (typical) 7.6 W
Read/Write (typical) 8.4 W
Idle (typical) 6.7 W
Standby (typical) 0.7/1W

Sleep (typical) 0.7/1W
#3
is approx 50% less on seek/read/write/idle. Why is standby/sleep worse though?
#4
tek-monkey
is approx 50% less on seek/read/write/idle. Why is standby/sleep worse though?


O_o, that's odd maths. It's closer to 35%.

And unless anyone's got a review handy I think we have to assume samsung's power consumption figures are similarly optimistic for the ecogreen as they are for the F1, which is 7.6W in idle and 10.5W in seek: http://techreport.com/articles.x/16393/11
#5
some more information here: http://www.quietpc.com/gb-en-gbp/products/components/t-series-hdd

Also, from tomshardware "The 1 TB version is available with 16 MB cache or 32 MB cache (the HD102SI and HD103SI)" - so be careful which version this is.
#6
I actually bought the WD 750GB greenpower, not necessarily for the green credentials but for the acoustics (it's silent, or near enough!). But apparently it was also (at the time) the most energy saving drive.

How does this stand on both points, thinking of getting a 2nd HDD. Either another WD Greenpower or something Samsungy
#7
[FONT="Arial"][SIZE="2"]For those who weren't aware - This Drive is only 5400rpm spin speed (Most drives nowadays are 7200rpm spin speed which is generally faster)

Apparently these drives have high density which improves speed and allows them to acheive "near" 7200rpm speeds. But a 7200rpm drive that also has high density (such as the F1) would perform even faster.

You can get the F1 7200rpm 1Tb drive here for only £66.99
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/143288

...If you would rather have speed over power consumption then the F1 is well worth the extra £7 IMO :thumbsup:[/SIZE][/FONT]
#8
DontRun
This Drive is only 5400rpm spin speed (Most drives nowadays are 7200rpm spin speed which is generally faster)


Exactly 1800rpm faster to be precise :whistling:
#9
I'd really rather have the faster F1 for just a little more, but that's just me.
#10
I think you'd be hard pushed to notice this difference in a typical desktop scenario:

HD103UJ (7200 rpm)
Average Seek time(typical) 8.9 ms
Average Latency 4.17 ms
Data Transfer Rate / Media to/from Buffer(Max.) 175 MB/sec
Data Transfer Rate / Buffer to/from Host(Max.) 300 MB/sec
Drive Ready Time(typical) 12 sec

HD103SI (5400 rpm)
Average Seek time(typical) 8.9 ms
Average Latency 5.52 ms
Data Transfer Rate / Media to/from Buffer(Max.) 166 MB/sec
Data Transfer Rate / Buffer to/from Host(Max.) 300 MB/sec
Drive Ready Time(typical) 12 sec
#11
EndlessWaves
O_o, that's odd maths. It's closer to 35%.


Errr, yes! OK, the worse one is 50% more!
#12
DontRun
[FONT="Arial"][SIZE="2"]For those who weren't aware - This Drive is only 5400rpm spin speed (Most drives nowadays are 7200rpm spin speed which is generally faster)

Apparently these drives have high density which improves speed and allows them to acheive "near" 7200rpm speeds. But a 7200rpm drive that also has high density (such as the F1) would perform even faster.


But remember that there are only a few situations where the sort of performance you're talking about actually matters. Transfering stuff onto or off the drive is going to be limited by the speed of USB for a lot of people, and things like loading up small programs like web browsers or playing music and video aren't affected by the transfer rate of the drive. Unless you're dealing with large files a lot (archiving, video editing, gaming) you may not notice any difference except the louder noise.
banned#13
difference between this and f1, other then this being 5400rpm and f1 being 7200rmp?
#14
bigsky
I think you'd be hard pushed to notice this difference in a typical desktop scenario:

HD103UJ (7200 rpm)
Average Seek time(typical) 8.9 ms
Average Latency 4.17 ms
Data Transfer Rate / Media to/from Buffer(Max.) 175 MB/sec
Data Transfer Rate / Buffer to/from Host(Max.) 300 MB/sec
Drive Ready Time(typical) 12 sec

HD103SI (5400 rpm)
Average Seek time(typical) 8.9 ms
Average Latency 5.52 ms
Data Transfer Rate / Media to/from Buffer(Max.) 166 MB/sec
Data Transfer Rate / Buffer to/from Host(Max.) 300 MB/sec
Drive Ready Time(typical) 12 sec


Most people buying 1TB drives are doing so for additional storage rather than because they are looking for a new main drive. As such they really won't notice the performance difference. The green drives are still much faster than torrents download, HD Video Streams or most other required uses. The benefits of a slower, cooler and more power efficient drive are going to include a longer average time to failure, something I am personally far more worried about with my 1TB of data. The cash saving on your power bill is tiny even running 24/7 at about £1.50 per year :oops:
#15
i'm a new sky hd subscriber, but i've filled the hd up in just a couple of weeks, can't believe how quick it goes recording hd films, anyone know if this would work in the hd box ?
#16
Just need a Samsung F3 with the F2 500GB platters and 7200rpm.

About time we saw 10,000rpm sata drives other than WD.
#17
I have the UJ and the SI. I don't notice any difference in speed. The SI 5400RPM only ever get very slighly above room temperature, which makes it an excellent choice for a quiet PC or a big RAID/NAS.
#18
Looks like a good deal to me. Someone has already posted some benchmarks for this drive here

http://www.buildyourown.org.uk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=44550

Im grabbing two while this deal is still around

Voted hot!
#19
Please if someone knows, Will this work with the HDX 1000?

Ive been waiting for a good deal. and for a media tank does cache and rpm matter?

Thanks
#20
ganon
Please if someone knows, Will this work with the HDX 1000?

Ive been waiting for a good deal


Yes will be fine.:thumbsup:
#21
Adnan786
difference between this and f1, other then this being 5400rpm and f1 being 7200rmp?


As far as i can make out the F2 is a little quieter, cooler and has slightly lower power draw, the F1 is a little faster. Both are great drives though and there's not a huge difference between them.

If anything the F1 is probably more of a system drive and the F2 more geared towards data/NAS/back-up applications. As earlier though, not a huge amount of difference. The only time i'd choose one over the other is if i was running a load of them as a server (say 10+). The F2's slight bonuses would make a difference in this case.

Thinking about grabbing one of these for data along with a nice quick 2.5" drive (which i'll upgrade to SSD when the time comes) for a system drive. Decisions, decisions. One hell of an upgrade from 250GB!
#22
2 Ordered cheers OP!

Pixmania can shove their non-despatched "in stock" F1's up their French derriere's :-D
#23
does cache and rpm matter when it comes to using on a media tank that will play 1080p mkv videos?
#24
whats better samsung f1 HD103uj or this harddrive?

7200RPM --> 5400RPM, any noticeable difference
#25
smellydude
whats better samsung f1 HD103uj or this harddrive?

7200RPM --> 5400RPM, any noticeable difference


No offence but read the whole thread & your question is more or less answered! :thumbsup:
#26
ganon
does cache and rpm matter when it comes to using on a media tank that will play 1080p mkv videos?


No not for streaming video.

smellydude
whats better samsung f1 HD103uj or this harddrive?

7200RPM --> 5400RPM, any noticeable difference


Depends what you are doing, as a boot drive the F1 is a better choice but this is better as a storage drive/backup drive or for streaming or NAS.

But in real world conditions there is not much in it. On large drives keeping it defragmented is probably more important. A fragmented F1 will be slower on most tests when fragmented than a defragmented F2. Its an Ideal choice for HTPC use.
#27
GAVINLEWISHUKD
No not for streaming video.



Depends what you are doing, as a boot drive the F1 is a better choice but this is better as a storage drive/backup drive or for streaming or NAS.

But in real world conditions there is not much in it. On large drives keeping it defragmented is probably more important. A fragmented F1 will be slower on most tests when fragmented than a defragmented F2. Its an Ideal choice for HTPC use.


thank, all this is so confusing, i dont have a good understand about Harddrives.
i need mine for the primary drive. building my first system, using vista 64. so F1 be better, but f2 that a cheap price for 1tb
#28
smellydude
whats better samsung f1 HD103uj or this harddrive?

7200RPM --> 5400RPM, any noticeable difference


Yes, the speed difference is important and you would be better off buying a HD with 7200RPM, especially if you are a gamer.
#29
smellydude
thank, all this is so confusing, i dont have a good understand about Harddrives.
i need mine for the primary drive. building my first system, using vista 64. so F1 be better, but f2 that a cheap price for 1tb


Well as I said for most applications you wont notice the difference between the two. So as cost is your issue then the chances are your processor is likely to be the weak link in your system and not the hard disk. £60 is a great price.
banned#30
smellydude
whats better samsung f1 HD103uj or this harddrive?

7200RPM --> 5400RPM, any noticeable difference

Doubt you'll notice a difference if you are using drive for a media player storage, now if these drives were storage for some databases thats different story:thumbsup:
#31
im definetely interested in this - thanks for posting..

I got a question for those in the know:
Will my pc performance be affected if i swap my current 7200rpm 80gb hitachi drive for this?

Not just the speed of the hard drives themselves, but im also worried that a hard drive with 1tb of stuff is going to slow my computer down as well!!

So again basically what im saying is... if i bought this, split it into two partitions, one for pc data and the other for music/videos and had it filled with say... 700gb of stuff would my pc be slower than it is with the 80gb hard drive?

Thanks in advance!
#32
It's not only the speed that makes a difference, the F2 has 500GB platters where as the F1 has 334GB platters.

You can load data quickly from a track into memory with the F2 because they are more compressed.

When Samsung release the 1TB, 500GB platters with 7200RPM - probably an F3, that will be fast.
#33
The deal that was on last week for the 'standard' 1TB drive... did any of you take this up? - I did and the drive concerns me...


I thought it prudent to test it before using it properly, so I got Seagate's Sea Tools on the go - to my horror it failed on the short and long dst tests. It passed the generic tests though.

I got the ES tool from Samsung site and tested the drive with this, 5 hours later it passed all tests.

So I think it's ok - but I've ran Sea Tools on loads of non Seagate drives before and all have passed the dst tests, can any other users comment?
#34
oldskooladdict
The deal that was on last week for the 'standard' 1TB drive... did any of you take this up? - I did and the drive concerns me...


I thought it prudent to test it before using it properly, so I got Seagate's Sea Tools on the go - to my horror it failed on the short and long dst tests. It passed the generic tests though.

I got the ES tool from Samsung site and tested the drive with this, 5 hours later it passed all tests.

So I think it's ok - but I've ran Sea Tools on loads of non Seagate drives before and all have passed the dst tests, can any other users comment?


I wouldn't read too much into it. If it passes the Samsung tests then it will be fine. Seagate tool could easily be looking for slightly different responses hence showing a problem. If you really want to be sure try ti get hold of some independant tools. Try a search for Hiren's Boot CD:

http://www.hiren.info/pages/bootcd

This disk has more useful apps for PC enthusiasts / pro's than you can shake a stick at, most useful one in my repair box :thumbsup:
#35
Don't know if it's worth waiting for SATA3

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/27/sata_revision_3_0/

Though this is a very good deal
#36
Worth waiting for SATA3 for mechanical drives? Absolutely not. Won't make a shred of difference.
#37
dickslash
Yes, the speed difference is important and you would be better off buying a HD with 7200RPM, especially if you are a gamer.


:roll: Nonsense.
#38
derrycityboy
im definetely interested in this - thanks for posting..

I got a question for those in the know:
Will my pc performance be affected if i swap my current 7200rpm 80gb hitachi drive for this?

Not just the speed of the hard drives themselves, but im also worried that a hard drive with 1tb of stuff is going to slow my computer down as well!!

So again basically what im saying is... if i bought this, split it into two partitions, one for pc data and the other for music/videos and had it filled with say... 700gb of stuff would my pc be slower than it is with the 80gb hard drive?

Thanks in advance!


This drive is *MUCH* faster than your old 80gb drive. I would recommend having at least 2 partitions - a small (80gig) one for your OS (windows etc) and a huge one for everything else. It really wont get 'clogged up' and slow down to the extent that you're worried about.
#39
strocky
2 Ordered cheers OP!

Pixmania can shove their non-despatched "in stock" F1's up their French derriere's :-D


Sod's law, ordered the F2's last night, went to cancel the Pixmania F1's this morning and they've been despatched :oops:
#40
thanks ordered

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