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flights to israel tel aviv £99.00 @ EL AL Israel Airlines !!!!!

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This price includes all charges for £99 return from london to tel aviv - (israel) a fantastic price using the link on certain dates - hope someone can make use of this offer!!
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Dickster1;5427528
Okay, so I'll ask you outright - have you visited Israel? If you have then you are entitled to the view that you perpetrated in an earlier posting. If you haven't then you are not entitled - simple as that. It certainly does appear to be the latter so you cannot comment on the peace and serenity in Israel.

I have never denied that far too many Palestinian civilians were killed what I do want established is how many of these were due to Hamas firing at Israelis from schools, hospitals, residential buildings etc etc that caused such casualties. It has been shown that this was the case and this is as much a war crime as anything Israel may have committed.

My Belfast comment was a throwaway comment quoting where I've felt the least at ease - no more than that.



Whether I answer your question outright is not only irrelevant but insignificant as Israel has never been a peaceful country! You state: “In order for me to hold a view on Israel, I can only do so after visiting Israel?” I disagree and confident millions of others do/will too - many have never travelled to neither Iraq but posses a precisely true judgement about the country, would you use the same argument here? Majority of people have never consumed poison but posses a correct notion about its effects if consumed!

The problem when discussing Israel (in your case too) is that supporters regularly and rather deviously deviate by (instead of accepting/addressing/) using excuses discuss everything but Israel and its barbaric wrongdoings!

You move focus onto Hamas that was democratically elected but has only been in power for a short period! What was Israel’s excuse for committing atrocities against Palestinians prior to Hamas gaining power? You mention “Hamas firing at Israelis from schools, hospitals, residential buildings etc etc…” I agree that’s wrong if/when Hamas use violence against civilians from civilian locations! BTW, how many Hamas missiles actually hit their targets? How many Israelis died as a result of these hits? What is your opinion on Israel indiscriminately bombing/killing scores of civilian/innocent Palestinians, blitzing their homes, schools, community centres, agricultural land, livestock, irrigation systems, transport networks, telecommunications, food storage depots, religious places, UN compounds/properties/safe houses, etc… etc?

You mentioned "War Crimes." I will again repeat and it beggars belief that in Israel’s latest offensive:
10 (IDF) Israelis soldiers were killed (including 4 by friendly fire) and 3 Israeli civilians.
1166 Palestinians were killed (Israeli source), 1400 (Palestinian source)! On this note I will take my leave from this thread as you suffer from tunnel vision by continuing to portray Israel as victim when clearly and evidently it is not…
You assume (pre-judged) that I have not visited Israel because I have stated facts that you find clearly hard to stomach, disagree or cannot accept? Instead you constantly force your one-sided and wholly untrue view about a peaceful and serine Israel! That said; whether I have visited Israel is of little or no insignificance when faced with stark truth and sad facts concerning Israel and its overwhelmingly blatant brutality against Palestinians, which it has committed and continues to do so with impunity and without accountability, and has done so for decades!

You again have deviated from the core problem – Israel and onto Belfast?[/QUOTE]

Okay, so I'll ask you outright - have you visited Israel? If you have then you are entitled to the view that you perpetrated in an earlier posting. If you haven't then you are not entitled - simple as that. It certainly does appear to be the latter so you cannot comment on the peace and serenity in Israel.

I have never denied that far too many Palestinian civilians were killed what I do want established is how many of these were due to Hamas firing at Israelis from schools, hospitals, residential buildings etc etc that caused such casualties. It has been shown that this was the case and this is as much a war crime as anything Israel may have committed.

My Belfast comment was a throwaway comment quoting where I've felt the least at ease - no more than that.
Dickster1;5418502
I would imagine that I have travelled an awful lot more than most: Russia, Egypt, Australia, Morocco, Tunisia, Indonesia, Israel, India (during the riots), America, Singapore etc etc. And I live in London. They are all as safe as each other. Have you actually been to the Walled City as it doesn't appear so? Tel Aviv is also worth a visit for an amazing nightlife, Tiberias for Lake Keneret, The Dead Sea, Cesarea etc etc. I'd have thought that there is more to visit per square mile in Israel than anywhere else in the world - and for all religions.

The most at risk I've felt by the way, albeit minimal, is actually in Belfast!!


In today’s terms I wouldn’t say that’s an awful lot that you’ve travelled and certainly not enough to make you the expert you have us believe! To achieve a balanced judgement regarding Israel is not rocket science neither necessary nor of paramount importance to have travelled to Israel or around the globe. With modern resources and news agencies to hand one can (many have) drawn their own conclusions, which are very disturbing for Israel against all its hard efforts including vast lobbying, huge media protection and PR spin!

You use Israeli spokespersons to backup/strengthen your argument, which to me amount to desperation. Israeli spokes persons are neither considered trustworthy nor credible in terms of treating/valuing Palestinian lives or where their welfare is concerned, and are usually irresponsibly one-sided in their roles as messengers. If you have read the BBC's UN story you’ll get my drift if able/willing to absorb the truth!

In Israel’s latest offensive against Palestinians there were:
10 Israelis were killed (including 4 by friendly fire) and sadly 3 Israeli civilians.
1166 Palestinians were sadly killed (Israeli source) 1400 (Palestinian source). Either way this is wrong, unjustified and unacceptable from a so-called democratic nation killing so many innocent civilians including defenceless elderly people, women and children! The catastrophic infrastructure damage due to indiscriminate Israeli bombardment is estimated to run into billions of £s for the Palestinians.

You assume (pre-judged) that I have not visited Israel because I have stated facts that you find clearly hard to stomach, disagree or cannot accept? Instead you constantly force your one-sided and wholly untrue view about a peaceful and serine Israel! That said; whether I have visited Israel is of little or no insignificance when faced with stark truth and sad facts concerning Israel and its overwhelmingly blatant brutality against Palestinians, which it has committed and continues to do so with impunity and without accountability, and has done so for decades!

You again have deviated from the core problem – Israel and onto Belfast?
Dickster1;5415946


Its well known that American media has close ties to Israel, even to the point where american media will now call the jewish settlements "neighbourhoods", because if theyre called "settlements" then that goes against international conventions and makes them illegal. America has many, many times vetoed UN reports on the atrocities by Israel in the past. Also, the guy appears to be Jewish! He went to a jewish high school, so that blows the credibility of him out the water.

There is absolutely nothing that can justify firing missiles into densely populated areas containing innocent women and children. It only makes Israel as bad as the terrorists they fight.
Nash;5417376
Why do Palestinians resort to killing? How would you defend your family and yourself from Israel/Israelis who have killed and from any further killing of members of your family, from bulldozing/occupying your home/land for decades and building Israeli homes and growing Israeli crops on your land instead?

This is the same old argument about who started it. The Last Gaza war was undeniably started by the firing of rockets into Israel. The bulldozing takes place when suicide bombers have murdered Israeli civilians. There is also a lot of myth in saying that Palestinians owned this land. Israel has been a Jewish land since the time of Abraham and Moses, the Philistines (wrongly translated as Palestinians) were, in the main, not on this land.

Did you read the article that was in the Washington Post? How many millions did Arafat and his cronies spirit away? Money that should have turned the Palestinian Territories into civilised places to live. Instead it is still a place ruled by gangs under the banner of Hamas or Hezbollah.


You constantly defend Israel’s atrocities/killings and land confiscations with excuses and by deviating from the real facts of terrible wrong doing by Israel. The fact is Israeli's constantly kill innocent human beings and by blitzing anything indiscriminately using mass war weaponry. What is the worldview on Israel and its history = Occupation, Persecution and Killing Palestinians! Israel needs to stop importing Jews from anywhere and everywhere and hand back Palestianian homes, land and freedom.

Read this, although not surprising again Israel disputes numbers and fails to accept collective responsibility for committing/carrying its latest mass offensive/atrocities against many innocent human beings.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8084734.stm

An Israeli spokesman says of this report "This committee has been instructed to find Israel guilty no matter what and there is no point in cooperating with such a masquerade". He is probably incorrect but remember the UN school that Israel "bombed"? Well it didn't, it aimed well away from the school and the missile landed hundreds of metres from the school. This has never been retracted by the world's press despite the UN eventually conceding that it is entirely correct.

The BBC articles also states that "It also said Palestinian militants were guilty of war crimes in their use of indiscriminate attacks on civilians. " So two sides to the story, just easier to criticise the Israelis as a headline. The story could eaily have been about Palestinian War Crimes but that ain't ever going to happen on a BBC website.


Hamas was also democratically elected and just like the previous and current Israeli goverment? I'm not Arab nor Israeli but English and belief Israel seriously needs to learn to do things peacefully otherwise it will never live peacefully and this is the view of the wider/majority of people/nations from around the world including the UN.

It is the wider view of every pro-Arab and anti-US nation. Israel would love to live peacefully but it is hard when 10 rockets a day land in your towns and your civilians are getting decapacitated whilst playing pool or out shopping.I am not Israeli or Arab - I am British too.

P.S. BTW, the walled city you portray for all to believe is not true and on the contrary it's anything but a peaceful place to take a casual leisurely stroll... I don't know if you're a seasoned traveller (probably not) and if not: visit London, Paris, and Frankfurt... or for that matter many other European/African/Arab/Asian countries, which are lovely, truly peaceful and much safer and free to roam than Israeli town/cities by a long shot!


I would imagine that I have travelled an awful lot more than most: Russia, Egypt, Australia, Morocco, Tunisia, Indonesia, Israel, India (during the riots), America, Singapore etc etc. And I live in London. They are all as safe as each other. Have you actually been to the Walled City as it doesn't appear so? Tel Aviv is also worth a visit for an amazing nightlife, Tiberias for Lake Keneret, The Dead Sea, Cesarea etc etc. I'd have thought that there is more to visit per square mile in Israel than anywhere else in the world - and for all religions.

The most at risk I've felt by the way, albeit minimal, is actually in Belfast!!
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