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I got this earlier in the year with just the 80GIG hard drive and its absolutley fantastic, this is a must have!!

Describtion from Aldi's webstite: This latest development in digital viewing and recording has to be seen to be believed and so does the price. Its a supremely versatile box of tricks significantly widening your viewing and programme storing options.

Was 80GB, now 160GB for the same price
Twin tuners allow you to watch one channel whilst recording another, or record two channels at the same time | Receives all Freeview digital TV channels | 160GB hard disk drive for the price of 80GB | Remote control with batteries | Works with your current TV | Digital RED BUTTON interactive Teletext (MHEG5) | Easy set-up and installation with automatic channel search | Twin SCART sockets | Now and next information | 7 day Electronic Programme Guide (EPG) | Slimline Black/Silver design. With 3 year warranty and helpline

Check Freeview coverage where you live. Text your postcode to 83331* or visit us at http://www.freeview.co.uk

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#1
Anyone know how this compares with the Humax?
#2
I own the 80Gig one, I cant fault it.
If i didnt have it I would have bought this one.
Also with Aldi, you can return it if you are not happy!
#3
There have been some adverse comments on HUKD about PVRs bought from Aldi...reliabilty problems seem to be the main complaint...but I stand to be corrected if anyone has favourable comments.

The Humax seems to get very favourable reviews but of course it is far more expensive.
#4
When it was first released, there was a software glitch, but after a couple of updates it was soon sorted and I love it!
Sorry for saying its so good, its just that.. ..it is!!
#5
Is this really true .... "or record two channels at the same time" ? I know the original one Aldi sold couldn't do this but not sure if a later software update has enabled it? Don't forget Aldi also offer a 1 year satisfaction guarantee so if you are not happy with it then you can take it back for a refund.
Rob
#6
Don't know about that one,
ours is a twin tuner but you can only watch one and record another, not record two.
#7
Wouldn't recommend this product (but that's personal preference). The company that supports these confirmed that there's a File Allocation Table fault on these that's not repairable. Contents of nearly full (but not full) hard disk drive wiped clean twice. Sound drops whilst one channel is recording however this is being fixed on a firmware update.

One thing that Tevion/Technosonic do not make buyers aware of is the fact that it's not possible to record on two tuners simultaneously. These products record on one tuner only (unless there's a hardware change on the one's that Aldi are now selling).

With a Humax recording on two channels is possible.

As for build quality the Humax is well built. The Tevion is poorly built. Front panel kept on falling off. The GUI is user-friendly in fairness and WD hard disk drives are used other than that i'd not recommend a Tevion/Technosonic.

HTH.
#8
Thanks folks, so 160GB or 80hrs? Do you really get 80 hours? or is that at some terribly reduced quality?
Ta
#9
According to this thread ...

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=488572

The latest software on these will be able to record from 2 channels concurrently.

Rob
#10
welshblob
According to this thread ...

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=488572

The latest software on these will be able to record from 2 channels concurrently.

Rob


Hi Rob, Thank you for your reply. Just this minute read the very same thread on digitalspy.co.uk and according to a post from someone who works at Technosonic this has been confirmed. Interesting :roll:. The File Allocation Table fault is a concern though. Annoying having the entire hard disk wiped clean whilst not full.
#11
Thanks for the info blobby.It will make this a great buy if it deffo turns out to be dual recording.:)
#12
does anyone know if this machine records digital tv as well as analogue?
#13
MacNewbieInTraining
The File Allocation Table fault is a concern though. Annoying having the entire hard disk wiped clean whilst not full.


Yeah, not sure why they think it can't be fixed, very odd. However I'd have to say having used a 40GB PVR i'd be surprised if I'd manage to fill up a 160GB one.

One more thing I have to say I'm impressed that the company that makes these is actively updating the software on a fairly regular basis. Most companies don't seem that bothered once the product has been released.

Rob
#14
cuzzy
does anyone know if this machine records digital tv as well as analogue?


If you read the first post it says Freeview - which is digital. It doesn't record analogue.
#15
yes thanks, read that but just wondered, where i live digital reception not 100%. will just ave to stick with crummy vcr.!!:-D
#16
welshblob
Yeah, not sure why they think it can't be fixed, very odd. However I'd have to say having used a 40GB PVR i'd be surprised if I'd manage to fill up a 160GB one.

One more thing I have to say I'm impressed that the company that makes these is actively updating the software on a fairly regular basis. Most companies don't seem that bothered once the product has been released.

Rob


Hi Rob,

Regarding your post on digitalspy.co.uk (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=488572 post No.11) referring to the comments made on HotUKDeals forum (cannot access Wanadoo e-mail to verify account and post a reply on digitalspy.co.uk) please note that I'd not have posted what had been advised by the service/repair company if the statement was not true (for the 80Gb version). Whether or not the File Allocation Table fault has been repaired on the 160Gb versions i'm not sure however i'd like to hear a response from Tecnotrend on this also.

Both my gf and I returned a PVR-801 to Aldi on Sat of last week (bought 3-4 weeks previously) with the most recent firmware version installed (an upgrade is due Dec according to the service/repair company (with a sound dropping fix amongst other bug fixes but not a File Allocation Table fault fix) which had the same fault on (hard disk drive seemingly wiping clean all of the recordings even though the 80Gb hard disk drives were not full (nor approaching full capacity)).

From what I've understood the fault is not repairable via a firmware upgrade. The service/repair company suggested returning the product for refund as both the Tevion PVR-801 and Technosonic PVR-101 is known to have this problem.

Does anyone know whether or not the PVR-801 that Aldi are selling on Sun 26th Nov does not allow for program recordings that would otherwise fill the hard disk from doing so (where the hard disk is reaching full capacity)?.

Not only was the hard disk wiped clean on two seperate occasions (whilst not full, nor reaching full capacity) but (due to the File Allocation Table fault) the PVR-801 thought that the hard disk was full, wiped the hard disk clean and recorded 15 seperate 1-2 minute entries of the first program that was being recorded and a further 15 seperate 1-2 minute entries of the second program that was being recorded. The PVR-801 rebooted in between each of the 1-2 minute recordings and none of the buttons on the front of the unit nor RC worked. Powering down the PVR did nothing either. Upon powering up the PVR recording of the second program started immediately.

A serious fault that needs fixing prior to further models being sold by Aldi in both our opinions. Perhaps this fault has indeed been fixed on the PVR-801 that Aldi are selling on Sun 26th Nov. An excellent buy at a guess if these faults have been fixed.

Rgds.
#17
MacNewbieInTraining
Regarding your post on digitalspy.co.uk


Hi MacNewbieInTraining, I didn't mean to imply you were being dishonest but rather clarify that there is a hardware bug that can not be fixed. I'd be interested in any response from Tecnotrend to make sure that you haven't been fobbed of with inaccurate information.

It sounds as if the problem you found happened quite quickly. If people do buy this and want to see if this bug exists is there anything they can do to make it happen e.g. how full was the disk when it happened previously?

Rob
#18
In response to the do really get 80 hours question:-

These record at broadcast quality so it will depend on the channel you are recording.

My media center also records freeview broadcast quality and I can see the resulting file sizes of the recordings.

A 1/2 hour program on BBC1 takes about 1.5GB where as something on Ch5 users about 800mb.

Freeview averages about 2GB per hour which where you get your 80 hours from.

Hope that helps
#19
welshblob
Hi MacNewbieInTraining, I didn't mean to imply you were being dishonest but rather clarify that there is a hardware bug that can not be fixed. I'd be interested in any response from Tecnotrend to make sure that you haven't been fobbed of with inaccurate information.

It sounds as if the problem you found happened quite quickly. If people do buy this and want to see if this bug exists is there anything they can do to make it happen e.g. how full was the disk when it happened previously?

Rob

Hi Rob, No problem. As you're probably aware his issue is being debated on both Digitalspy and AVForums. Don't know where Technotrend come into play as they're not supporting these in the U.K. but a company called Amkotron.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=488572

The hard disk drive was about 60% - 70% full in the first instance and approximately 50% full in the second instance. All of the failing PVR-801 devices (four in all) were bought 3-4 weeks ago which is not what we'd consider to be long enough for the hard disk drives becoming fragmented. The machine that my gf had bought was probably 25% full.

The F.A.T. fault does not seem to have been repaired via firmware and cannot be repaired by firmware either.

HTH.
#20
I like the look of this recorder and will probably get one - and hope that the problems with the earlier model do not recur. I understand from the leaflet now in Aldi stores that there is also a 'pause live' function (not mentioned on the web page spec.). Does anyone know if the machine will allow one (or two) simultaneous recordings to be made whilst another previously-recorded programme is being watched? Did the earlier model allow this?
#21
Hi puffer and welcome to HUKD.:)I think if you read all of the thread you will probably find your questions answered.
#22
Really, bazr? Then why not be helpful rather than cryptic and point me at the right message(s)?
#23
Puffer ..I think after some experience you'll find bazr one of the most helpful members on HUKD...I know he's quite capable of defending himself but couldn't resist defending a boro lad...even if they have Jonathan Woodgate! LOL
But seriously you should really read all the threads and the description of the product on the Aldi website...from experience it is then best to PM someone who has bought the product for a recommendation...as far as I can see there is no evidence of a purchase so far.
#24
this may help puffer

Twin tuners allow you to watch one channel whilst recording another, or record two channels at the same time | Receives all Freeview digital TV channels | 160GB hard disk drive for the price of 80GB | Remote control with batteries | Works with your current TV | Digital RED BUTTON interactive Teletext (MHEG5) | Easy set-up and installation with automatic channel search | Twin SCART sockets | Now and next information | 7 day Electronic Programme Guide (EPG) | Slimline Black/Silver design. With 3 year warranty and helpline
#25
Puffer
Really, bazr? Then why not be helpful rather than cryptic and point me at the right message(s)?

Sorry puffer,didn't mean to be disrespectful,just pointing out that if you read all the thread you will see the discussions regarding dual recording.To be specific,the post by welshblob is quite interesting.:)
Thanks for explaining in my absence currychops.;-)
#26
Thank you, currychops. As a newcomer, I don't want to fall out with you, bazr or anyone else but I do wonder if YOU have read the story so far as well as my specific question.

I've just seen bazr's follow-up too and I realise that he was not trying to be difficult, any more than I am.

I posted my question AFTER reading thru this thread, studying the Aldi ad and getting my in-laws to ask at Aldi and get leaflet (which I haven't yet seen). The latter added to the web info in that it states the 'pause' facility is included - I hope that helps others and acts as a prompt that the full spec may not yet be revealed.

As far as I can see, nothing posted here has yet answered my question and I realise that, until the new machine becomes available next Sunday, there are some uncertainties. I've just come across another forum which is addressing the problems with the old model and speculating about the new - http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=488572&page=2&pp=25 All rather technical and I don't think it answers my question! However, someone with the existing (80GB) model should be able to say whether it has the 'watch one recording whilst making another recording' facility - even if no-one knows yet whether the new model might allow this. This is not the same as having two tuners to permit two separate progs to be recorded at the same time - or is it??

If my simple question can now be answered, I should much appreciate some response. If no-one yet knows the answer, then maybe we had all better sit back and wait rather than speculate further here.
#27
MacNewbieInTraining


Both my gf and I returned a PVR-801 to Aldi on Sat of last week (bought 3-4 weeks previously) with the most recent firmware version installed (an upgrade is due Dec according to the service/repair company (with a sound dropping fix amongst other bug fixes but not a File Allocation Table fault fix) which had the same fault on (hard disk drive seemingly wiping clean all of the recordings even though the 80Gb hard disk drives were not full (nor approaching full capacity)).

From what I've understood the fault is not repairable via a firmware upgrade. The service/repair company suggested returning the product for refund as both the Tevion PVR-801 and Technosonic PVR-101 is known to have this problem.



I have owned both the Technosonic PVR101 and the Tevion PVR801 and have followed the threads on several forums on them since Dec 2005. I do not recall any posts where the loss of recording bug occured on a HD which was not full. There is a scenario where the HD can become full without the User being aware of this. This occurs if Timeslip is inadvertantly left activated and the unit left on unattended for an extended period. In this situation the Timeslip buffer will eventually fill the HD. When this occurs the unit (normally) performs a controlled de-activation of Timeslip and produces an entry on the Recordings List called "timeslip" with file size and duration equal to the accrued buffer. If before the User becomes aware of this and deletes the "timeslip" file a scheduled recording starts I would assume that bug in question could be activated.

Is their any possibility that the above scenario could account for you occurances of the problem?

Colin
#28
Puffer
However, someone with the existing (80GB) model should be able to say whether it has the 'watch one recording whilst making another recording' facility.

I have had the 80GB model for a year now.Yes you can watch one channel whilst recording another,however i have found that it does not perform very well at all when doing so.The recording part is no problem at all,but trying to watch another channel is nigh on impossible most times.It does not seem to be able to cope.It has not bothered me as i have sky plus also and would really never need the facility,otherwise it would have been back to aldi by now.It has had one automatic update to my knowledge and that appeared to have fixed the problem for a while but it crept back.Will be interesting to see how this new one performs if it can record 2 at once.Anyway there is not much risk involved as aldi are brilliant for returning stuff.:)
#29
Welcome to HUKD colin (creddish) :)
Thanks for your comments.
#30
Sorry, bazr, maybe I didn't make myself totally clear. I want to know if the (old) machine allows a previously-recorded prog to be viewed at the same time as one is recording a new prog. This is not the same as watching one live channel thru the machine whilst it records another.

So, are you saying that your old machine (which has only one tuner, I understand) does indeed allow simultaneous playback/recording, although with poor viewing quality, but not simultaneous watch live/record live (which would need two tuners)? If so, the only issues are whether the new machine differs because (a) it has two tuners, so ought to fulfill both the above tasks - and maybe also allow playback/two channel recording; (b) the playback viewing quality problem has been solved.

We wouldn't need to speculate if the spec in the Aldi website ad was more detailed!
#31
Puffer
Sorry, bazr, maybe I didn't make myself totally clear. I want to know if the (old) machine allows a previously-recorded prog to be viewed at the same time as one is recording a new prog. This is not the same as watching one live channel thru the machine whilst it records another.

So, are you saying that your old machine (which has only one tuner, I understand) does indeed allow simultaneous playback/recording, although with poor viewing quality, but not simultaneous watch live/record live (which would need two tuners)? If so, the only issues are whether the new machine differs because (a) it has two tuners, so ought to fulfill both the above tasks - and maybe also allow playback/two channel recording; (b) the playback viewing quality problem has been solved.

We wouldn't need to speculate if the spec in the Aldi website ad was more detailed!

This has got confusing has it not.:giggle:
You did make yourself clear,i just did not read it correctly.:roll:
Right,here goes:
1.My old machine has 2 tuners and in theory records one programme and lets you watch another channel (albeit very poorly)
2.It lets you watch previosly recorded programmes whilst also recording a new programme.This performs correctly.
Clear as mud.:p
#32
Puffer
Sorry, bazr, maybe I didn't make myself totally clear. I want to know if the (old) machine allows a previously-recorded prog to be viewed at the same time as one is recording a new prog. This is not the same as watching one live channel thru the machine whilst it records another.

So, are you saying that your old machine (which has only one tuner, I understand) does indeed allow simultaneous playback/recording, although with poor viewing quality, but not simultaneous watch live/record live (which would need two tuners)? If so, the only issues are whether the new machine differs because (a) it has two tuners, so ought to fulfill both the above tasks - and maybe also allow playback/two channel recording; (b) the playback viewing quality problem has been solved.

We wouldn't need to speculate if the spec in the Aldi website ad was more detailed!
There are several misconceptions in your post Puffer.

The "old" 80GB Tevion PVR801 (i.e. the one sold at Aldi in June this year) DOES have two tuners. The PVR is made by Technotrend who have made the same twin tuner model for other brands noteably the Technosonic PVR101 which was sold by Aldi in Dec 2005. These two PVR's are identical apart for the branding on the front panel. Technotrend also make a single tuner version which uses the same software and has been sold under the Goodmans and Bush brands. However, the single tuner versions are not relevant to the current discussion.

The "old" twin tuner Technotrend PVR's DO allow a previously recorded programme to be replayed whilst recording another programme. They also allow you to watch one channel live whilst recording another one.

The recording playback quality is as good as the original broadcast signal when the PVR is performing correctly. The unit records the broadcast data stream un-modified (unlike VCR or DVD recording which degrades it) and plays back the same data stream. I think bazr is referring to problems in displaying the live signal, not a recorded signal. See my reply to his post.

Colin

Edit:- Ooops!! bazr beat me to it whilst I was compiling my reply.
#33
Many thanks, gents, for the clarification - partic that there has been more than one 'old' machine under discussion (which I hadn't realised). It does seem that the new offering has the desirable features; let's hope that the quality matches them. Caveat emptor, I think.
1 Like #34
bazr
I have had the 80GB model for a year now.Yes you can watch one channel whilst recording another,however i have found that it does not perform very well at all when doing so.The recording part is no problem at all,but trying to watch another channel is nigh on impossible most times.It does not seem to be able to cope.It has not bothered me as i have sky plus also and would really never need the facility,otherwise it would have been back to aldi by now.It has had one automatic update to my knowledge and that appeared to have fixed the problem for a while but it crept back.Will be interesting to see how this new one performs if it can record 2 at once.Anyway there is not much risk involved as aldi are brilliant for returning stuff.:)
Thanks for your welcome to the forum bazr.

The Technosonic PVR101, which I assume is the PVR you have, has had several software updates. The original version when sold was Version 1.0. The latest update is Version 1.6 transmitted on 15 May 2006. Some of the intervening updates were never transmitted or applied only to the single tuner (Goodmans/Bush) PVR's. Prior to Version 1.5 which was transmitted on 17 March 2006 there were serious "No Signal" bug(s) which could be decribed as making it almost impossible to watch a live channel. AFAIK Version 1.5 solved this issue. Do you have the latest software bazr.

There are still bugs which can cause the live signal to be interupted but these are generally associated with specific events. For example when accessing the EPG this can cause the signal to go on and off at 2 second intervals. Depending on which mode of EPG display you use this can be seen on the PIP in the Timeline view or when exiting the EPG. This can usually be corrected by stopping the recording. Another situation is the freezing of the picture if Timeslip is being used and a scheduled recording starts. This can be corrected by using the FF button to scroll forward to real time which will remove the freeze. The Timeslip buffer is retained so you can REW or SKIP back to the point where the freeze occured.

For Puffer's information this is the post I was referring to when I suggested he saw my reply to bazr. It has been delayed as it took me sime time to check back the history of the updates. :oops:

Colin
1 Like #35
Will I be able to receive Freeview, by plugging in an exsisiting NTL cable?
Or does it have to be coax?
#36
I have not bought anything like this from aldi before. Just for my info does anyone know how quickly they are likelyto sell out of this kind of deal. Is it a limited number of units and does one need to get to the store as soon as it opens?
#37
It may help coalfield to know that Aldi's special offers do tend to sell out quickly, especially the larger more expensive items. Obviously though, there are differences between branches. I understand that a recent offering of a television was completely sold out at some branches within the first 15 mins or so! I have no idea whether popular items are restocked from the warehouse - my guess is probably not as the whole idea seems to be to shift a bulk-buy quickly.

I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that my father-in-law will succeed in getting the Freeview recorder for me this morning - he should be in the queue now.
#38
donkeydavid
Will I be able to receive Freeview, by plugging in an exsisiting NTL cable?
Or does it have to be coax?


need ariel, cable doesn't carry channels
#39
I got one from my local aldi this morning at 10.30am (30 mins after opening)They did not have them on display and had to be asked for as they were kept in the storeroom.6 other people asked for one while i was getting mine.I have no idea how many they had but going on the number that went when i got mine they won't last long.Just going to try out now.:)
#40
Just got one. Firmware now up to 1.7. Giving it a go but seem to be exactly the same as the previous models - which to me isnt a bad thing as i was pleased with my original one!

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