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FUJIFILM FinePix X70 High Performance Compact Camera £351.97 @ Currys

£351.97 @ Currys
Great little camera that shares a lot of its features with the significantly more expensive X-series range of cameras. £100+ cheaper than anywhere else. Definitely worth looking at the reviews if you… Read More
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Great little camera that shares a lot of its features with the significantly more expensive X-series range of cameras.

£100+ cheaper than anywhere else. Definitely worth looking at the reviews if you're in the market for something like this.
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#1
heat added v nice
#2
Like it a lot, but the fixed wide angle prime lens must make this a little bit niche for most people.
#3
Blimey, that's a great price
#4
Wasn't too sure at £470-£500, but at this price I'm more tempted.
#5
M_z
Like it a lot, but the fixed wide angle prime lens must make this a little bit niche for most people.


Makes you a better photographer and gives you better pics too as a zoom is a compromise
#6
not available in south east london
#7
Absolute cracker of camera. Brilliant deal.
#8
This vs. Panasonic LX100
#9
Sliwka
This vs. Panasonic LX100


X70 will take better quality pictures, whereas LX100 offers a bit of zoom (X70 has fixed focal length). Personally I'd go for the X70 - but I tend to shoot prime (fixed) lenses rather than zoom. It'll be down to your preference on image quality or having a little bit of zoom
#10
ashleythurman
Sliwka
This vs. Panasonic LX100
X70 will take better quality pictures, whereas LX100 offers a bit of zoom (X70 has fixed focal length). Personally I'd go for the X70 - but I tend to shoot prime (fixed) lenses rather than zoom. It'll be down to your preference on image quality or having a little bit of zoom
not sure x70 takes much (if at all) better pictures than lx100, advantage is the size which is definitely pocketable

Edited By: brilly on Jan 24, 2017 14:05
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sparklehedgehog
M_z
Like it a lot, but the fixed wide angle prime lens must make this a little bit niche for most people.
Makes you a better photographer and gives you better pics too as a zoom is a compromise

Don't really agree, it will suit some people's needs very well, but not everybody. A fixed wide angle lens isn't going to make you a better sports, portrait or wildlife photographer, is it? Might be good for landscapes though... And zoom lenses are a compromise, but then so is a f2.8 aperture, an aps-c sized sensor and no optical viewfinder - again, the value attached to these various compromises will vary individual to individual.

Edited By: M_z on Jan 24, 2017 17:36
#12
That I agree with but this limitation would allow you to improve aspects of your photography such as framing, zooming with your feet and having less lens distortion etc whilst having better quality optics too therefore better quality of shot.

I would never buy that myself as doesn't suit my needs

I use a Sony a7ii a few primes and a couple of zooms
#13
brilly
ashleythurman
Sliwka
This vs. Panasonic LX100
X70 will take better quality pictures, whereas LX100 offers a bit of zoom (X70 has fixed focal length). Personally I'd go for the X70 - but I tend to shoot prime (fixed) lenses rather than zoom. It'll be down to your preference on image quality or having a little bit of zoom
not sure x70 takes much (if at all) better pictures than lx100, advantage is the size which is definitely pocketable


x70 has a great APS C sensor, it's the same as in the other 16mp X series cameras. I have the X-E2 and am always impressed with the pictures even at high ISOs. I think the LX100 has a much smaller sensor so could struggle in low light.

Only problem with buying this, you will always wonder if you should have got an X100(s|t|f) and and 18mm lens is not something I use very often.
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ashleythurman
Sliwka
This vs. Panasonic LX100


X70 will take better quality pictures, whereas LX100 offers a bit of zoom (X70 has fixed focal length). Personally I'd go for the X70 - but I tend to shoot prime (fixed) lenses rather than zoom. It'll be down to your preference on image quality or having a little bit of zoom


Having owned an LX100 and now having a Fuji I can confirm the image quality of the Fuji is miles better, especially with Landscapes where the LX100 was very poor in comparison. Wanted to like the LX100 as it was a nice camera but the image quality let it down (macros were good though).
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bentrewern
brilly
ashleythurman
Sliwka
This vs. Panasonic LX100
X70 will take better quality pictures, whereas LX100 offers a bit of zoom (X70 has fixed focal length). Personally I'd go for the X70 - but I tend to shoot prime (fixed) lenses rather than zoom. It'll be down to your preference on image quality or having a little bit of zoom
not sure x70 takes much (if at all) better pictures than lx100, advantage is the size which is definitely pocketable
x70 has a great APS C sensor, it's the same as in the other 16mp X series cameras. I have the X-E2 and am always impressed with the pictures even at high ISOs. I think the LX100 has a much smaller sensor so could struggle in low light.
Only problem with buying this, you will always wonder if you should have got an X100(s|t|f) and and 18mm lens is not something I use very often.

The LX100 uses a micro 4/3 sensor which is just one stop smaller than the Fuji but the Panasonic lens at F1.7 is over a stop faster than the Fuji's F2.8 lens and has stabilisation which the Fuji lacks so I'd expect low light performance to be similar in reality. The Fuji's large sensor would give it a dynamic range advantage though while the Panasonic has the convenience of a zoom, I think they suit different usages so it depends what the requirements are.

Shame there's none of these in stock near me as I've been quite fancying trying out the Fuji APS-C sensor and this would be a cheap way to do it.

John

Edited By: Johnmcl7 on Jan 24, 2017 17:54
#16
Voted hot for the price, but I don't really get this kind of product. Especially at the going price.
Being stuck to 28mm is like shooting with a smartphone. And this comes from me, who hardly ever takes his 19mm f/2.8 lens off. Is shooting with a smartphone going to make you a better photographer? I don't think so. But the popularity of cameraphones means people will feel at-home with this Fuji:) (as well as the lack of any viewfinder).
#17
Johnmcl7
bentrewern
brilly
ashleythurman
Sliwka
This vs. Panasonic LX100
X70 will take better quality pictures, whereas LX100 offers a bit of zoom (X70 has fixed focal length). Personally I'd go for the X70 - but I tend to shoot prime (fixed) lenses rather than zoom. It'll be down to your preference on image quality or having a little bit of zoom
not sure x70 takes much (if at all) better pictures than lx100, advantage is the size which is definitely pocketable
x70 has a great APS C sensor, it's the same as in the other 16mp X series cameras. I have the X-E2 and am always impressed with the pictures even at high ISOs. I think the LX100 has a much smaller sensor so could struggle in low light.
Only problem with buying this, you will always wonder if you should have got an X100(s|t|f) and and 18mm lens is not something I use very often.

The LX100 uses a micro 4/3 sensor which is just one stop smaller than the Fuji but the Panasonic lens at F1.7 is over a stop faster than the Fuji's F2.8 lens and has stabilisation which the Fuji lacks so I'd expect low light performance to be similar in reality. The Fuji's large sensor would give it a dynamic range advantage though while the Panasonic has the convenience of a zoom, I think they suit different usages so it depends what the requirements are.

Shame there's none of these in stock near me as I've been quite fancying trying out the Fuji APS-C sensor and this would be a cheap way to do it.

John


LX100 has a four thirds sensor but it doesn't use the whole sensor, so is actually 12mp not 16mp as you would expect. I've also got a Sony A7II and Fuji is on par with high ISO quality and quite a lot better with regards to low light focusing.

It's worth keeping an eye out on the Fuji shop. They occasionally have refurbs (which are as new with full Warranty). There's a 10% off code on HUKD somewhere also.

Edited By: TK42 on Jan 24, 2017 18:30: Shop added.
#18
Hi

Sorry for basic questions but would welcome advice as to whether this would be suitable for a camera newbie that wants a pocketable camera that can be used for taking mostly family pictures? Thanks
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Davidben83
Hi

Sorry for basic questions but would welcome advice as to whether this would be suitable for a camera newbie that wants a pocketable camera that can be used for taking mostly family pictures? Thanks


This is more of a specialists camera which would be great for landscapes and street photography but a little limited for general use. Probably one of the best truly pocketable cameras with good image quality would the Sony RX100.
#20
TK42
Davidben83
Hi
Sorry for basic questions but would welcome advice as to whether this would be suitable for a camera newbie that wants a pocketable camera that can be used for taking mostly family pictures? Thanks
This is more of a specialists camera which would be great for landscapes and street photography but a little limited for general use. Probably one of the best truly pocketable cameras with good image quality would the Sony RX100.
Thank you
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TK42
Johnmcl7
bentrewern
brilly
ashleythurman
Sliwka
This vs. Panasonic LX100
X70 will take better quality pictures, whereas LX100 offers a bit of zoom (X70 has fixed focal length). Personally I'd go for the X70 - but I tend to shoot prime (fixed) lenses rather than zoom. It'll be down to your preference on image quality or having a little bit of zoom
not sure x70 takes much (if at all) better pictures than lx100, advantage is the size which is definitely pocketable
x70 has a great APS C sensor, it's the same as in the other 16mp X series cameras. I have the X-E2 and am always impressed with the pictures even at high ISOs. I think the LX100 has a much smaller sensor so could struggle in low light.
Only problem with buying this, you will always wonder if you should have got an X100(s|t|f) and and 18mm lens is not something I use very often.
The LX100 uses a micro 4/3 sensor which is just one stop smaller than the Fuji but the Panasonic lens at F1.7 is over a stop faster than the Fuji's F2.8 lens and has stabilisation which the Fuji lacks so I'd expect low light performance to be similar in reality. The Fuji's large sensor would give it a dynamic range advantage though while the Panasonic has the convenience of a zoom, I think they suit different usages so it depends what the requirements are.
Shame there's none of these in stock near me as I've been quite fancying trying out the Fuji APS-C sensor and this would be a cheap way to do it.
John
LX100 has a four thirds sensor but it doesn't use the whole sensor, so is actually 12mp not 16mp as you would expect. I've also got a Sony A7II and Fuji is on par with high ISO quality and quite a lot better with regards to low light focusing.
It's worth keeping an eye out on the Fuji shop. They occasionally have refurbs (which are as new with full Warranty). There's a 10% off code on HUKD somewhere also.

There's still around a stop of difference between the two sensors and the Panasonic lens is over a stop faster so at high iso the results are similar if you ignore the Panasonic could potentially use a lower iso due to the OIS:

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison?attr18=daylight&attr13_0=panasonic_dmclx100&attr13_1=fujifilm_x70&attr13_2=canon_eos5d&attr13_3=canon_eos5d&attr15_0=jpeg&attr15_1=jpeg&attr15_2=jpeg&attr15_3=jpeg&attr16_0=1600&attr16_1=3200&attr16_2=1600&attr16_3=1600&normalization=full&widget=1&x=0.7036904761904762&y=-0.6882151156357198

So the Panasonic will not be struggling in low light which is the comment I was replying to at least not any worse than the Fuji.

The Sony A7II (assuming it's not the S or the R) for some reason is not good at high iso when compared to FF rivals, I had been after one as a smaller alternative to the D750 as I assumed they shared the same sensor but it seems they don't.

I agree with your RX100 recommendation as a pocket camera, it offers a very good balance of portability, image quality and flexibility plus some more exotic features like 4K video and 1000fps shooting on the mk IV and V.

John


Edited By: Johnmcl7 on Jan 24, 2017 20:26
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Johnmcl7
TK42
Johnmcl7
bentrewern
brilly
ashleythurman
Sliwka
This vs. Panasonic LX100
X70 will take better quality pictures, whereas LX100 offers a bit of zoom (X70 has fixed focal length). Personally I'd go for the X70 - but I tend to shoot prime (fixed) lenses rather than zoom. It'll be down to your preference on image quality or having a little bit of zoom
not sure x70 takes much (if at all) better pictures than lx100, advantage is the size which is definitely pocketable
x70 has a great APS C sensor, it's the same as in the other 16mp X series cameras. I have the X-E2 and am always impressed with the pictures even at high ISOs. I think the LX100 has a much smaller sensor so could struggle in low light.
Only problem with buying this, you will always wonder if you should have got an X100(s|t|f) and and 18mm lens is not something I use very often.
The LX100 uses a micro 4/3 sensor which is just one stop smaller than the Fuji but the Panasonic lens at F1.7 is over a stop faster than the Fuji's F2.8 lens and has stabilisation which the Fuji lacks so I'd expect low light performance to be similar in reality. The Fuji's large sensor would give it a dynamic range advantage though while the Panasonic has the convenience of a zoom, I think they suit different usages so it depends what the requirements are.
Shame there's none of these in stock near me as I've been quite fancying trying out the Fuji APS-C sensor and this would be a cheap way to do it.
John
LX100 has a four thirds sensor but it doesn't use the whole sensor, so is actually 12mp not 16mp as you would expect. I've also got a Sony A7II and Fuji is on par with high ISO quality and quite a lot better with regards to low light focusing.
It's worth keeping an eye out on the Fuji shop. They occasionally have refurbs (which are as new with full Warranty). There's a 10% off code on HUKD somewhere also.

There's still around a stop of difference between the two sensors and the Panasonic lens is over a stop faster so at high iso the results are similar if you ignore the Panasonic could potentially use a lower iso due to the OIS:

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison?attr18=daylight&attr13_0=panasonic_dmclx100&attr13_1=fujifilm_x70&attr13_2=canon_eos5d&attr13_3=canon_eos5d&attr15_0=jpeg&attr15_1=jpeg&attr15_2=jpeg&attr15_3=jpeg&attr16_0=1600&attr16_1=3200&attr16_2=1600&attr16_3=1600&normalization=full&widget=1&x=0.7036904761904762&y=-0.6882151156357198

So the Panasonic will not be struggling in low light which is the comment I was replying to at least not any worse than the Fuji.

The Sony A7II (assuming it's not the S or the R) for some reason is not good at high iso when compared to FF rivals, I had been after one as a smaller alternative to the D750 as I assumed they shared the same sensor but it seems they don't.

I agree with your RX100 recommendation as a pocket camera, it offers a very good balance of portability, image quality and flexibility plus some more exotic features like 4K video and 1000fps shooting on the mk IV and V.

John



Hi it depends what you mean by struggling, the difference seems to be in the way Fuji handle high ISO images. The LX100 doesn't struggle (at least mine didn't) with low light focusing but the image quality at say at ISO 6400 at night would be much much cleaner on the Fuji.

If only the A7II was as capable as the D750.
#23
Johnmcl7
TK42
Johnmcl7
bentrewern
brilly
ashleythurman
Sliwka
This vs. Panasonic LX100
X70 will take better quality pictures, whereas LX100 offers a bit of zoom (X70 has fixed focal length). Personally I'd go for the X70 - but I tend to shoot prime (fixed) lenses rather than zoom. It'll be down to your preference on image quality or having a little bit of zoom
not sure x70 takes much (if at all) better pictures than lx100, advantage is the size which is definitely pocketable
x70 has a great APS C sensor, it's the same as in the other 16mp X series cameras. I have the X-E2 and am always impressed with the pictures even at high ISOs. I think the LX100 has a much smaller sensor so could struggle in low light.
Only problem with buying this, you will always wonder if you should have got an X100(s|t|f) and and 18mm lens is not something I use very often.
The LX100 uses a micro 4/3 sensor which is just one stop smaller than the Fuji but the Panasonic lens at F1.7 is over a stop faster than the Fuji's F2.8 lens and has stabilisation which the Fuji lacks so I'd expect low light performance to be similar in reality. The Fuji's large sensor would give it a dynamic range advantage though while the Panasonic has the convenience of a zoom, I think they suit different usages so it depends what the requirements are.
Shame there's none of these in stock near me as I've been quite fancying trying out the Fuji APS-C sensor and this would be a cheap way to do it.
John
LX100 has a four thirds sensor but it doesn't use the whole sensor, so is actually 12mp not 16mp as you would expect. I've also got a Sony A7II and Fuji is on par with high ISO quality and quite a lot better with regards to low light focusing.
It's worth keeping an eye out on the Fuji shop. They occasionally have refurbs (which are as new with full Warranty). There's a 10% off code on HUKD somewhere also.
There's still around a stop of difference between the two sensors and the Panasonic lens is over a stop faster so at high iso the results are similar if you ignore the Panasonic could potentially use a lower iso due to the OIS:https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison?attr18=daylight&attr13_0=panasonic_dmclx100&attr13_1=fujifilm_x70&attr13_2=canon_eos5d&attr13_3=canon_eos5d&attr15_0=jpeg&attr15_1=jpeg&attr15_2=jpeg&attr15_3=jpeg&attr16_0=1600&attr16_1=3200&attr16_2=1600&attr16_3=1600&normalization=full&widget=1&x=0.7036904761904762&y=-0.6882151156357198
So the Panasonic will not be struggling in low light which is the comment I was replying to at least not any worse than the Fuji.
The Sony A7II (assuming it's not the S or the R) for some reason is not good at high iso when compared to FF rivals, I had been after one as a smaller alternative to the D750 as I assumed they shared the same sensor but it seems they don't.
I agree with your RX100 recommendation as a pocket camera, it offers a very good balance of portability, image quality and flexibility plus some more exotic features like 4K video and 1000fps shooting on the mk IV and V.
John
yeah thats what i was looking at
looking at raws lx100 seems much sharper (not necessarily more resolution) but also a bit more noisy
x70 seems to have very little sharpening or has noise reduction i dunno which but its fairly soft looking?
lx100 should be able to have NR applied but not easy to see how much x70 could sharpen up
#24
brilly
Johnmcl7
TK42
Johnmcl7
bentrewern
brilly
ashleythurman
Sliwka
This vs. Panasonic LX100
X70 will take better quality pictures, whereas LX100 offers a bit of zoom (X70 has fixed focal length). Personally I'd go for the X70 - but I tend to shoot prime (fixed) lenses rather than zoom. It'll be down to your preference on image quality or having a little bit of zoom
not sure x70 takes much (if at all) better pictures than lx100, advantage is the size which is definitely pocketable
x70 has a great APS C sensor, it's the same as in the other 16mp X series cameras. I have the X-E2 and am always impressed with the pictures even at high ISOs. I think the LX100 has a much smaller sensor so could struggle in low light.
Only problem with buying this, you will always wonder if you should have got an X100(s|t|f) and and 18mm lens is not something I use very often.
The LX100 uses a micro 4/3 sensor which is just one stop smaller than the Fuji but the Panasonic lens at F1.7 is over a stop faster than the Fuji's F2.8 lens and has stabilisation which the Fuji lacks so I'd expect low light performance to be similar in reality. The Fuji's large sensor would give it a dynamic range advantage though while the Panasonic has the convenience of a zoom, I think they suit different usages so it depends what the requirements are.
Shame there's none of these in stock near me as I've been quite fancying trying out the Fuji APS-C sensor and this would be a cheap way to do it.
John
LX100 has a four thirds sensor but it doesn't use the whole sensor, so is actually 12mp not 16mp as you would expect. I've also got a Sony A7II and Fuji is on par with high ISO quality and quite a lot better with regards to low light focusing.
It's worth keeping an eye out on the Fuji shop. They occasionally have refurbs (which are as new with full Warranty). There's a 10% off code on HUKD somewhere also.
There's still around a stop of difference between the two sensors and the Panasonic lens is over a stop faster so at high iso the results are similar if you ignore the Panasonic could potentially use a lower iso due to the OIS:https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison?attr18=daylight&attr13_0=panasonic_dmclx100&attr13_1=fujifilm_x70&attr13_2=canon_eos5d&attr13_3=canon_eos5d&attr15_0=jpeg&attr15_1=jpeg&attr15_2=jpeg&attr15_3=jpeg&attr16_0=1600&attr16_1=3200&attr16_2=1600&attr16_3=1600&normalization=full&widget=1&x=0.7036904761904762&y=-0.6882151156357198
So the Panasonic will not be struggling in low light which is the comment I was replying to at least not any worse than the Fuji.
The Sony A7II (assuming it's not the S or the R) for some reason is not good at high iso when compared to FF rivals, I had been after one as a smaller alternative to the D750 as I assumed they shared the same sensor but it seems they don't.
I agree with your RX100 recommendation as a pocket camera, it offers a very good balance of portability, image quality and flexibility plus some more exotic features like 4K video and 1000fps shooting on the mk IV and V.
John
yeah thats what i was looking at
looking at raws lx100 seems much sharper (not necessarily more resolution) but also a bit more noisy
x70 seems to have very little sharpening or has noise reduction i dunno which but its fairly soft looking?
lx100 should be able to have NR applied but not easy to see how much x70 could sharpen up


Just had a look at those as well. If you change the X70 for a X-T10 for example, you will see a much cleaner image, not sure what's happening there as thought they used the same sensor?
#25
TK42
brilly
Johnmcl7
TK42
Johnmcl7
bentrewern
brilly
ashleythurman
Sliwka
This vs. Panasonic LX100
X70 will take better quality pictures, whereas LX100 offers a bit of zoom (X70 has fixed focal length). Personally I'd go for the X70 - but I tend to shoot prime (fixed) lenses rather than zoom. It'll be down to your preference on image quality or having a little bit of zoom
not sure x70 takes much (if at all) better pictures than lx100, advantage is the size which is definitely pocketable
x70 has a great APS C sensor, it's the same as in the other 16mp X series cameras. I have the X-E2 and am always impressed with the pictures even at high ISOs. I think the LX100 has a much smaller sensor so could struggle in low light.
Only problem with buying this, you will always wonder if you should have got an X100(s|t|f) and and 18mm lens is not something I use very often.
The LX100 uses a micro 4/3 sensor which is just one stop smaller than the Fuji but the Panasonic lens at F1.7 is over a stop faster than the Fuji's F2.8 lens and has stabilisation which the Fuji lacks so I'd expect low light performance to be similar in reality. The Fuji's large sensor would give it a dynamic range advantage though while the Panasonic has the convenience of a zoom, I think they suit different usages so it depends what the requirements are.
Shame there's none of these in stock near me as I've been quite fancying trying out the Fuji APS-C sensor and this would be a cheap way to do it.
John
LX100 has a four thirds sensor but it doesn't use the whole sensor, so is actually 12mp not 16mp as you would expect. I've also got a Sony A7II and Fuji is on par with high ISO quality and quite a lot better with regards to low light focusing.
It's worth keeping an eye out on the Fuji shop. They occasionally have refurbs (which are as new with full Warranty). There's a 10% off code on HUKD somewhere also.
There's still around a stop of difference between the two sensors and the Panasonic lens is over a stop faster so at high iso the results are similar if you ignore the Panasonic could potentially use a lower iso due to the OIS:https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison?attr18=daylight&attr13_0=panasonic_dmclx100&attr13_1=fujifilm_x70&attr13_2=canon_eos5d&attr13_3=canon_eos5d&attr15_0=jpeg&attr15_1=jpeg&attr15_2=jpeg&attr15_3=jpeg&attr16_0=1600&attr16_1=3200&attr16_2=1600&attr16_3=1600&normalization=full&widget=1&x=0.7036904761904762&y=-0.6882151156357198
So the Panasonic will not be struggling in low light which is the comment I was replying to at least not any worse than the Fuji.
The Sony A7II (assuming it's not the S or the R) for some reason is not good at high iso when compared to FF rivals, I had been after one as a smaller alternative to the D750 as I assumed they shared the same sensor but it seems they don't.
I agree with your RX100 recommendation as a pocket camera, it offers a very good balance of portability, image quality and flexibility plus some more exotic features like 4K video and 1000fps shooting on the mk IV and V.
John
yeah thats what i was looking at
looking at raws lx100 seems much sharper (not necessarily more resolution) but also a bit more noisy
x70 seems to have very little sharpening or has noise reduction i dunno which but its fairly soft looking?
lx100 should be able to have NR applied but not easy to see how much x70 could sharpen up
Just had a look at those as well. If you change the X70 for a X-T10 for example, you will see a much cleaner image, not sure what's happening there as thought they used the same sensor?
well its not the same lens is it?
xt10 is using a 750+ quid lens... 56/1.2
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brilly
TK42
brilly
Johnmcl7
TK42
Johnmcl7
bentrewern
brilly
ashleythurman
Sliwka
This vs. Panasonic LX100
X70 will take better quality pictures, whereas LX100 offers a bit of zoom (X70 has fixed focal length). Personally I'd go for the X70 - but I tend to shoot prime (fixed) lenses rather than zoom. It'll be down to your preference on image quality or having a little bit of zoom
not sure x70 takes much (if at all) better pictures than lx100, advantage is the size which is definitely pocketable
x70 has a great APS C sensor, it's the same as in the other 16mp X series cameras. I have the X-E2 and am always impressed with the pictures even at high ISOs. I think the LX100 has a much smaller sensor so could struggle in low light.
Only problem with buying this, you will always wonder if you should have got an X100(s|t|f) and and 18mm lens is not something I use very often.
The LX100 uses a micro 4/3 sensor which is just one stop smaller than the Fuji but the Panasonic lens at F1.7 is over a stop faster than the Fuji's F2.8 lens and has stabilisation which the Fuji lacks so I'd expect low light performance to be similar in reality. The Fuji's large sensor would give it a dynamic range advantage though while the Panasonic has the convenience of a zoom, I think they suit different usages so it depends what the requirements are.
Shame there's none of these in stock near me as I've been quite fancying trying out the Fuji APS-C sensor and this would be a cheap way to do it.
John
LX100 has a four thirds sensor but it doesn't use the whole sensor, so is actually 12mp not 16mp as you would expect. I've also got a Sony A7II and Fuji is on par with high ISO quality and quite a lot better with regards to low light focusing.
It's worth keeping an eye out on the Fuji shop. They occasionally have refurbs (which are as new with full Warranty). There's a 10% off code on HUKD somewhere also.
There's still around a stop of difference between the two sensors and the Panasonic lens is over a stop faster so at high iso the results are similar if you ignore the Panasonic could potentially use a lower iso due to the OIS:https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison?attr18=daylight&attr13_0=panasonic_dmclx100&attr13_1=fujifilm_x70&attr13_2=canon_eos5d&attr13_3=canon_eos5d&attr15_0=jpeg&attr15_1=jpeg&attr15_2=jpeg&attr15_3=jpeg&attr16_0=1600&attr16_1=3200&attr16_2=1600&attr16_3=1600&normalization=full&widget=1&x=0.7036904761904762&y=-0.6882151156357198
So the Panasonic will not be struggling in low light which is the comment I was replying to at least not any worse than the Fuji.
The Sony A7II (assuming it's not the S or the R) for some reason is not good at high iso when compared to FF rivals, I had been after one as a smaller alternative to the D750 as I assumed they shared the same sensor but it seems they don't.
I agree with your RX100 recommendation as a pocket camera, it offers a very good balance of portability, image quality and flexibility plus some more exotic features like 4K video and 1000fps shooting on the mk IV and V.
John
yeah thats what i was looking at
looking at raws lx100 seems much sharper (not necessarily more resolution) but also a bit more noisy
x70 seems to have very little sharpening or has noise reduction i dunno which but its fairly soft looking?
lx100 should be able to have NR applied but not easy to see how much x70 could sharpen up
Just had a look at those as well. If you change the X70 for a X-T10 for example, you will see a much cleaner image, not sure what's happening there as thought they used the same sensor?
well its not the same lens is it?
xt10 is using a 750+ quid lens... 56/1.2


Yea, but it wouldn't make any difference to the noise.
#27
Orpington has stock but may be ex display
#28
TK42
brilly
TK42
brilly
Johnmcl7
TK42
Johnmcl7
bentrewern
brilly
ashleythurman
Sliwka
This vs. Panasonic LX100
X70 will take better quality pictures, whereas LX100 offers a bit of zoom (X70 has fixed focal length). Personally I'd go for the X70 - but I tend to shoot prime (fixed) lenses rather than zoom. It'll be down to your preference on image quality or having a little bit of zoom
not sure x70 takes much (if at all) better pictures than lx100, advantage is the size which is definitely pocketable
x70 has a great APS C sensor, it's the same as in the other 16mp X series cameras. I have the X-E2 and am always impressed with the pictures even at high ISOs. I think the LX100 has a much smaller sensor so could struggle in low light.
Only problem with buying this, you will always wonder if you should have got an X100(s|t|f) and and 18mm lens is not something I use very often.
The LX100 uses a micro 4/3 sensor which is just one stop smaller than the Fuji but the Panasonic lens at F1.7 is over a stop faster than the Fuji's F2.8 lens and has stabilisation which the Fuji lacks so I'd expect low light performance to be similar in reality. The Fuji's large sensor would give it a dynamic range advantage though while the Panasonic has the convenience of a zoom, I think they suit different usages so it depends what the requirements are.
Shame there's none of these in stock near me as I've been quite fancying trying out the Fuji APS-C sensor and this would be a cheap way to do it.
John
LX100 has a four thirds sensor but it doesn't use the whole sensor, so is actually 12mp not 16mp as you would expect. I've also got a Sony A7II and Fuji is on par with high ISO quality and quite a lot better with regards to low light focusing.
It's worth keeping an eye out on the Fuji shop. They occasionally have refurbs (which are as new with full Warranty). There's a 10% off code on HUKD somewhere also.
There's still around a stop of difference between the two sensors and the Panasonic lens is over a stop faster so at high iso the results are similar if you ignore the Panasonic could potentially use a lower iso due to the OIS:https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison?attr18=daylight&attr13_0=panasonic_dmclx100&attr13_1=fujifilm_x70&attr13_2=canon_eos5d&attr13_3=canon_eos5d&attr15_0=jpeg&attr15_1=jpeg&attr15_2=jpeg&attr15_3=jpeg&attr16_0=1600&attr16_1=3200&attr16_2=1600&attr16_3=1600&normalization=full&widget=1&x=0.7036904761904762&y=-0.6882151156357198
So the Panasonic will not be struggling in low light which is the comment I was replying to at least not any worse than the Fuji.
The Sony A7II (assuming it's not the S or the R) for some reason is not good at high iso when compared to FF rivals, I had been after one as a smaller alternative to the D750 as I assumed they shared the same sensor but it seems they don't.
I agree with your RX100 recommendation as a pocket camera, it offers a very good balance of portability, image quality and flexibility plus some more exotic features like 4K video and 1000fps shooting on the mk IV and V.
John
yeah thats what i was looking at
looking at raws lx100 seems much sharper (not necessarily more resolution) but also a bit more noisy
x70 seems to have very little sharpening or has noise reduction i dunno which but its fairly soft looking?
lx100 should be able to have NR applied but not easy to see how much x70 could sharpen up
Just had a look at those as well. If you change the X70 for a X-T10 for example, you will see a much cleaner image, not sure what's happening there as thought they used the same sensor?
well its not the same lens is it?
xt10 is using a 750+ quid lens... 56/1.2
Yea, but it wouldn't make any difference to the noise.
but its not really less noisy, it has better resolution

Edited By: brilly on Jan 24, 2017 21:37
#29
sparklehedgehog

Makes you a better photographer and gives you better pics too as a zoom is a compromise

Your gonna have to explain that one!

And the lens is sort of an awkward in-betweener at 28mm (35mm equivalent) not wide enough for some things/ too wide for others.Oh and F.Y.I the Fiji zooms are superb on their X-system interchangeable bodies
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excellent posting
1 Like #31
great camera, thanks OP, always enjoyed using Fuji X series cameras but they were always too big. I'm going to sell my nearly new RX100 Mk ii to buy this if anyone is interested!
#32
airdsuk
sparklehedgehog

Makes you a better photographer and gives you better pics too as a zoom is a compromise

Your gonna have to explain that one!

And the lens is sort of an awkward in-betweener at 28mm (35mm equivalent) not wide enough for some things/ too wide for others.Oh and F.Y.I the Fiji zooms are superb on their X-system interchangeable bodies


The laws of physics dictates that a prime (which this essentially is) has the ability to be more perfect than a zoom can be. Understand it or not that's a fact
#33
Prefer the Ricoh GR but nice price. Hot!
#34
sparklehedgehog
airdsuk
sparklehedgehog

Makes you a better photographer and gives you better pics too as a zoom is a compromise
Your gonna have to explain that one!
And the lens is sort of an awkward in-betweener at 28mm (35mm equivalent) not wide enough for some things/ too wide for others.Oh and F.Y.I the Fiji zooms are superb on their X-system interchangeable bodies
The laws of physics dictates that a prime (which this essentially is) has the ability to be more perfect than a zoom can be. Understand it or not that's a fact
the laws of physics dont actually state that the prime will be better though as you claim
#35
Still prefer the nx-mini
1 Like #36
Thank you very much for posting this, lovely camera.
#37
ktown
Prefer the Ricoh GR but nice price. Hot!

Yeah, exactly - Ricoh GR is so much better. X-Trans is an over-hyped piece of a mushy sensor.
#38
Romasato
ktown
Prefer the Ricoh GR but nice price. Hot!

Yeah, exactly - Ricoh GR is so much better. X-Trans is an over-hyped piece of a mushy sensor.


It's better than the GR according to reviews on Amazon..
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01AP7S8K6/?tag=ho01f-21
It's also a lot cheaper, the GR is currently £529.
#39
I used to have the Fuji X70 its a very nice camera if you like the fixed focal length, If i was to go out and choose between the GRII and X70 again id still go with the X70 it had more features the image quality wasn't mushy oO and looking at some user reviews the GR seemed to have few quality control issues dust getting in and units going faulty.

I ended up selling it as just wasn't using it much not due to any fault of the camera.

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