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I've been looking for a small home server to use for fileserving when I came across this litttle beauty -

EDIT: Here's the full data sheet from Fujitsu Siemens -
http://extranet.fujitsu-siemens.com/vil/pc/vil/primergy/model_line_100/economy_server/ds_prim_econel100.pdf

http://www.fujitsu-siemens.co.uk/rl/products/industry_standard/econel/default.htm


PRIMERGY Econel servers are the best choice when funds are limited but server availability, performance, and uncomplicated operation are important. PRIMERGY Econel only uses server-certified components developed for round-the-clock operation, thus providing lower running costs than with a PC and all that at a price level rivaling that of a PC! In addition, a server must ensure that only the right data is delivered to your client network.


Key Features

Latest Intel processor generation, onboard RAID for up to 4 SATA easy change hard disks, DDR2 SDRAM PC2-4200, PCI-Express I/O slots
High performance thru latest technology with low running cost in operation
The Intel® E7230 chipset is supporting EM64Technology.
Choose and pay only the power your applications need
Secure your investment
Dual-Core processor, provides two execution cores in one processor socket
Allowing the platform to do more in less time, IT departments can consolidate applications and get higher efficiency out of your IT.
mirror (RAID 1) for disks integrated with SATA, ECC (Error correction code), PRIMERGY ServerView Suite
Server proven components and data safety from memory to disk, easy to install and manage
Sound reduction by thought out ventilation concept
Absolutely quiet system, thus optimized for use in offices



It users server grade components, so it's pretty energy efficient as well as quiet.
Even if you aren't looking for a server, just add a cheap PCI-E graphics card and sound card and you have a decent PC for the price (also needs an O/S, but I'm sure everyone in the know happens to have a copy ;-)

I'll be getting one and sticking 4 x 500GB Samsung spinpoint drives in it, just what I needed =D


BTW, this is £299 from an Amazon marketplace seller -

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Fujitsu-Siemens-PRIMERGY-Econel-100/dp/B000URCFDI/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1206748861&sr=8-3
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#1
Brilliant deal. Voted hot
#2
voted hot , excellent deal for anyone into BitTorrents and wanting a cheap seedbox .
#3
nice find!
#4
could u use this as a desktop... install xp, graphics card etc

thx
banned#5
is this just a normal pc tower with onboard gfx and sound?
Can i use it to replace my current tower by just plugging my monitor into it or deos it need more parts?
#6
paul25
is this just a normal pc tower with onboard gfx and sound?
Can i use it to replace my current tower by just plugging my monitor into it or deos it need more parts?


Im unsure, but I think this is best suited for home server use etc.:thinking:
#7
Awesome! Can't ask more for the money at all but if I was being a pedant I would note that the CPU (while good) is a dog of a chip. Hot as hell, and not efficient whatsoever.

Personally would open it up and put in one of the low clocked, low tdp new pentium branded core2s.
#8
paul25
is this just a normal pc tower with onboard gfx and sound?
Can i use it to replace my current tower by just plugging my monitor into it or deos it need more parts?


OP says 'Even if you aren't looking for a server, just add a cheap PCI-E graphics card and sound card and you have a decent PC for the price (also needs an O/S, but I'm sure everyone in the know happens to have a copy ;-)'

I'd assume this has no onboard gfx/sound, that would mean that you would need to install your own cards, maybe £17 for a graphics card from play and ~£5-£10 for a sound card?

EDIT: Reading the reviews on ebuyer this had 8MB of onboard graphics, just enough to be able to do basic things on a low res, so i'd probably still recommend getting a cheap graphics card for less than £20, looking at the pictures of the unit, no sound ports seem to be present, so a seperate sound card is needed.
#9
you dont even need to add gfx as it seems to have a port already....if you just want a basic surfing machine that is
#10
it has on board graphics check the back panel not sure about processor is this fast ?
#11
whats the warranty on this?
#12
ryoooh
you dont even need to add gfx as it seems to have a port already....if you just want a basic surfing machine that is


Many people might want to watch movies, play simple games or view photos, 8mb of onboard graphics is going to struggle.

If anyone wanted to use this a PC i'd recommend:
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/163354/digimate-l2041w-20-monitor-1680x105/
http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/4-/3348808/PNY-GeForce-7300-LE-128MB-DDR2-PCI-E-Graphics-Card/Product.html
and maybe this http://www.ebuyer.com/product/48179/show_product_reviews

Thats: £130 for PC
£100 for 20" monitor
£15 for 128 MB gfx card
£5 for sound card

Comes to £260 for a full machine, not too bad, really.
#13
Wowza, that's an unbelievable deal!

A GB of RAM, a 160GB hard drive, 3GHz processor and even a DVD-burning optical drive.

How on earth can they afford to sell this so cheap? :P
#14
Processor: Intel Pentium D (925) 3000MHz 2 x 2048KB (L2 Cache)


Processors (Max): 1 (1)


Hard Disk: 160GB (1 x 160GB)


Network Card: Broadcom BCM5751 Ethernet 10/100/1000MBps Integrated


Graphics Device: ATI Rage XL


Operating System: Not Included


Dimensions: 20.5cm (W) x 50.5cm (D) x 38.5cm (H) - Weight 15 - 19kg
#15
just to add super quiet
#16
Wow, I never knew one could get a server-grade machine for so cheap!!! Can't believe it features RAID and ECC also...

I've been looking for a quiet machine to use as a media centre in the living room, so if this one is as quiet as they say, it might just be the perfect choice. I could treat myself to a Blu-Ray / HD-DVD drive and the appropriate graphics card and voila, a Full-HD Media Centre!

Amazing find jukkie, and the idea to use a professional server at home is just great. Here's some heat and rep!
#17
Wonder if WHS would install on this.. I currently have it installed on a Dell 5150 and its wasted just running this, although the spec of this fujitsu is prob better than the Dell.:?:?
Decisions....
#18
people who are saying its quiet, is it? i mean do you have one or where is the evidence of below 30db for example? thx
#19
Not sure about the db rating, although this is subject to change once you start shoving more HDD's in there anyway (which is why I went for the Samsung spinpoint drives).
And I doubt any of the reviewers had complicated sound measuring equipment, although the reviewers did say say "very quiet" and "a pretty quiet server", so it's about the best we can do.

EDIT: The data sheet says 43db idle and 45db operating. But then my dell system is supposed to be 50/55, yet it's quiet as a mouse even when operating.
#20
AcidJiles
people who are saying its quiet, is it? i mean do you have one or where is the evidence of below 30db for example? thx



If you go to the Ebuyer page people who have bought it say its quiet ......in the reviews and comments ....Not conclusive proof but may help you determine if its going to noisy or not for your needs.....
#21
can some1 tell me a little more about this.....

such as.... 3Ghz Dual core....... 6Ghz total? or 2 1.5...

and how easy would it be to turn this into a desktop? easy? whats max ram capacity? what ram has this got already?

would be a great help
1 Like #22
james2805
can some1 tell me a little more about this.....

such as.... 3Ghz Dual core....... 6Ghz total? or 2 1.5...

and how easy would it be to turn this into a desktop? easy? whats max ram capacity? what ram has this got already?

would be a great help


it's 2 x 3Ghz, but bare in mind this is P4 HT technology, not core/core2, so don't compare the Ghz to that of newer processors as it doesn't work that way.

If you're thinking of games power, my brother in law has a D925 system and it runs the latest games at decent resolutions without problems, but this is also down to the graphics card, which takes me to your second question (note it has a 300w PSU, which would be fine for most cards, but not good enough for the latest super duper cards.....but I'm guessing people looking at this are on a budget anyway, so wont be looking at the latest and greatest cards).

It does have very basic on board graphics, so you'd probably want to buy a PCI-e VGA card for it dependant on your needs.
Other than that it just needs a sound card (they are just a few pounds so wont break the bank).

It has 1GB of ECC RAM, and is expandable to 4GB (dependant on OS, XP/Vista 32bit editions will be 3GB'ish).
#23
Thanks for the response mate, added some rep :)

Ahh not for me then, im really looking for a new core2 duo or quad kinda desktop pc mainly for graphics design and stuff like that, as well as bein somewhat of a media PC.

But on a limited budget. wanting to spend £300-400. (without monitor). nearer 300 to be honest.
#24
Most PCI-e graphics cards are "x16" arent they ??The fujitsu spec PDF only mentions a x1 slot, a x4 slot and a x8 slot.Anyone in the know please comment as it could mean standard PCI-e video cards won't fit..I'm thinking about people who might want to upgrade/play games on this.
Just done some googling the x16 x1 x4 x8 seem to refer to the data lanes on the card and not the speed.. more data lanes it looks like the longer physical size of the card !!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express
#25
1 Like #26
This has an old Server chipset and it doesn’t support Core 2 Duo.
The RAM support ‘might’ be ECC only. i.e. expensive.
No x16 graphics
No Operating System

If you are looking for an entry level Server then it might be worthwhile but it doesn’t look much use for anything else.
You can get a Vostro 200 1.8GHz dual core, 2GB DDR-667, 80GB HDD, DVD-ROM and a Vista Business/XP Pro license for £188 delivered which would be a better base for a desktop to upgrade from, especially if you require an operating system license. – Dell.
#27
Calamitie
Wowza, that's an unbelievable deal!

A GB of RAM, a 160GB hard drive, 3GHz processor and even a DVD-burning optical drive.

How on earth can they afford to sell this so cheap? :P


They buy them even cheaper. It probably costs about 30 quid to manufacture.

Also, it's nuts to buy this and then try and fudge a desktop out of it. There are better desktop deals around. Pointless buying a square peg and then sanding it to fit in a round hole (unless of course the saving is great).
#28
Agharta
This has an old Server chipset and it doesn’t support Core 2 Duo.
The RAM support ‘might’ be ECC only. i.e. expensive.
No x16 graphics
No Operating System

If you are looking for an entry level Server then it might be worthwhile but it doesn’t look much use for anything else.
You can get a Vostro 200 1.8GHz dual core, 2GB DDR-667, 80GB HDD, DVD-ROM and a Vista Business/XP Pro license for £188 delivered which would be a better base for a desktop to upgrade from, especially if you require an operating system license. – Dell.


Not bad price for that spec, will be considerign this over the next month, need to phone my brother and see if he can overclock this for me
#29
The ML110 G4 is now down to £151.58 delivered at ebuyer
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/128282

The ML110 G4 uses the xeon "core 2" CPU's which are much more efficient than the P4 based chips such as the PentiumD 925. As a result the ML110 G4 will use less power and in my experience will be faster.
#30
fantasic value, only 10 left now!
#31
Houldey;1799295
They buy them even cheaper. It probably costs about 30 quid to manufacture.

Also, it's nuts to buy this and then try and fudge a desktop out of it. There are better desktop deals around. Pointless buying a square peg and then sanding it to fit in a round hole (unless of course the saving is great).


It is not that cheap to manufacturer them believe me... FS is making a loss selling them.
#32
RamMalc;1796968
voted hot , excellent deal for anyone into BitTorrents and wanting a cheap seedbox .


I wonder what its power consumption would be... If you only deal into bit torrents and seeding, I would probably advise you to use a laptop with a broken screen to save on power.. ;-)
#33
This is configured for Server use, bare this in mind if you are considering purchasing it. Although it is easy to re-configure it for Home use, you still need to have the knowledge on how to do this.
#34
Dubtitled
Not bad price for that spec, will be considerign this over the next month, need to phone my brother and see if he can overclock this for me

Dell's prices change frequently so don't bet on it being the same in a months time.
There are a couple of articles on over-clocking the 800MHz FSB CPUs in a Vostro 200 at Overclockers.com; Article 1 & Article 2.
#35
this one is a bit more at £151 but better cpu for a server (and needs more ram of course), plus theres 3yrs onsite next day if you are looking for one for your business.
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/128282/show_product_reviews?offset=20&review_type=both&review_order_by=RUF
#36
jklondon
plus there's 3yrs onsite next day if you are looking for one for your business.

I looked at these before and was satisfied that the warranty is really just 1 year. You have to take Ebuyer's decriptions with a large pinch of salt. I like them but don't trust their accuracy.
#37
Agharta
This has an old Server chipset and it doesn’t support Core 2 Duo.
The RAM support ‘might’ be ECC only. i.e. expensive.
No x16 graphics
No Operating System

If you are looking for an entry level Server then it might be worthwhile but it doesn’t look much use for anything else.
You can get a Vostro 200 1.8GHz dual core, 2GB DDR-667, 80GB HDD, DVD-ROM and a Vista Business/XP Pro license for £188 delivered which would be a better base for a desktop to upgrade from, especially if you require an operating system license. – Dell.


For a fileserver, if I had to choose between the Fjuitsu siemens machine with RAID, ECC, and high quality server components....or the Dell "lets find the cheapest components possible" machine, I know which one I'd go for.....

This post is about a server, for people that might want a server. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with Dell desktops, I own 2 Dell C521's and a Vostro 1000 laptop, but I wouldn't trust one to hold my 1.5TB of data for safekeeping.


jklondon
this one is a bit more at £151 but better cpu for a server (and needs more ram of course), plus theres 3yrs onsite next day if you are looking for one for your business.
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/128282/show_product_reviews?offset=20&review_type=both&review_order_by=RUF


That's £20 more for a better CPU (not sure it'll make much difference for most uses of a server that size), and less RAM. No real benefit for the extra money paid.
1 Like #38
Hi

I know a bit about FSC products as we use these at work. This is a budget server which is basically one of their high end desk top cases with a slighly different motherboard in it.

Things to watch.... you will not be able to overclock this. The BIOS on FSC motherboards does not have any features that will allow you to make such adjustments.

Check and see which CPUs the mothervboard can support if you plan to change it. FSC provide BIOS microupdates but after a while stop providing them and I have a feeling this may not be able to support some of the later 65/45 core2duo CPUs.

All in all this is still a fantastic deal, the build quality is superb and this particular case is one of the best desktop cases FSC ever made. There is only 1 large FAN in the power supply and its on the internal vents. The whole power supply is hinged on the case so in its closed position the fan blows over the top of the CPU. Excellent design, on the down side its difficult to later change the motherboard and heatsink on as they do not design them to be upgradedin this way.

The hard drive slots are sideways so you can pull driives easily, no tools are needed to do this or to open the case. A single button on the side lid locks the sliding outer lid in place.

This is a fantastic deal, I remember buying one for a small project about a year and half ago and it was about £500.

Hope this helps someone.
#39
Anyone know if I can swap the processor for a Pentium D 930 ? I need the Intel VT support.
#40
jukkie
This post is about a server, for people that might want a server. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with Dell desktops, I own 2 Dell C521's and a Vostro 1000 laptop, but I wouldn't trust one to hold my 1.5TB of data for safekeeping.

Agreed. I was responding to the people that were looking to use this as a desktop.

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