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Gaming Laptop - 860M 16gb i74710MQ £879.99 @ Dabs

£879.99 @ BT Shop
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#1
Gaming laptops like this are a trap. This thing is a perfect blend of the poor performance of a laptop, mixed with the bulky inconvenience of a desktop. Its 17", over 3kg, and won't outperform a £400 desktop
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#3
i did thank you greysquaill



how so "sorams" ? what have i missed that would result in poor performance? size of screen and weight will not matter, resolution will.

intreged.

thanks
banned#4
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#5
thomasboardman
i did thank you greysquaill



how so "sorams" ? what have i missed that would result in poor performance? size of screen and weight will not matter, resolution will.

intreged.

thanks

Nice one. You should edit your post to reflect this price. It's a nice healthy saving.
#6
works out cheaper buying direct from PC Specialist you can even tweak config.
Here
#7
BurnToasT333
works out cheaper buying direct from PC Specialist you can even tweak config.
Here

Looks to be £908 inc VAT on their website?
1 Like #8
Dusterfluster
BurnToasT333
works out cheaper buying direct from PC Specialist you can even tweak config.Hide full quote
Looks to be £908 inc VAT on their website?

My bad didn't notice the exclusion of VAT on the price.
#9
soRahms
Gaming laptops like this are a trap. This thing is a perfect blend of the poor performance of a laptop, mixed with the bulky inconvenience of a desktop. Its 17", over 3kg, and won't outperform a £400 desktop

What do recommend for a decent video editing laptop. Footage from a 5d mark iii and 700 d mixed. Mov files i think. Looking for a new laptop but don't know much about them.

Edited By: Rendog on Dec 20, 2014 20:56
#10
Dino PC with cpu upgrade is same spec at same price.

https://www.dinopc.com/shop/pc/Pegasus-17-3-GTX-860M-Laptop-156p2147.htm
#11
soRahms
Gaming laptops like this are a trap. This thing is a perfect blend of the poor performance of a laptop, mixed with the bulky inconvenience of a desktop. Its 17", over 3kg, and won't outperform a £400 desktop

LOL, like to see you use £400 desktop on the train complete with monitor & leads!

3 kilo's isn't that heavy, I'd say most gamers could manage it in a decent backpack.
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Rendog
soRahms
Gaming laptops like this are a trap. This thing is a perfect blend of the poor performance of a laptop, mixed with the bulky inconvenience of a desktop. Its 17", over 3kg, and won't outperform a £400 desktop

What do recommend for a decent video editing laptop. Footage from a 5d mark iii and 700 d mixed. Mov files i think. Looking for a new laptop but don't know much about them.

This laptop will be fine or the Dino PC with the i7-4710MQ cpu upgrade option.

Edited By: tollyman on Jan 16, 2015 14:26
#13
tollyman
soRahms
Gaming laptops like this are a trap. This thing is a perfect blend of the poor performance of a laptop, mixed with the bulky inconvenience of a desktop. Its 17", over 3kg, and won't outperform a £400 desktop
LOL, like to see you use £400 desktop on the train complete with monitor & leads!
3 kilo's isn't that heavy, I'd say most gamers could manage it in a decent backpack.

Id like to see you game on this laptop on a train, too. You'd need a mouse, headphones, and a table. It'd be cramped and awkward, especially if you're sat next to someone. And then when you get to your destination you've got a **** laptop lol. It's not "that" heavy, but it's still going to be an uncomfortable backpack

It IS a trap because 99/100 buying this laptop will not be gaming on a train anyways, they just see it as a nice "option" to have, without realising that it means they massively sacrifice performance, which is what they are after in the first place. They're spending double the money (moreso, considering this can't really be upgraded) to get half the performance, on the off chance they need to move around.




Edited By: soRahms on Jan 17, 2015 13:57
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Rendog
soRahms
Gaming laptops like this are a trap. This thing is a perfect blend of the poor performance of a laptop, mixed with the bulky inconvenience of a desktop. Its 17", over 3kg, and won't outperform a £400 desktop
What do recommend for a decent video editing laptop. Footage from a 5d mark iii and 700 d mixed. Mov files i think. Looking for a new laptop but don't know much about them.


sorry I didn't reply, didn't see this somehow...

Honestly if you're not editting on the move, a desktop PC is infinitely better. You may want to use your laptop elsewhere, sure, but if its not for video editting away from home, dont bother. Say you have a £900 budget. A £500 desktop build would get you atleast an i5 and 16GB RAM, and leave you £400 for a really nice lappy for travelling. Laptops lack in power, thats all there is to it.

If you're interested in building your own pc, check out reddit.com/r/buildapc

If not, there are some good deals on here semi-frequently.

google "building pc for [your software] " to find out what you should prioritise to get it running fast.

thomasboardman
i did thank you greysquaill
how so "sorams" ? what have i missed that would result in poor performance? size of screen and weight will not matter, resolution will.
intreged.
thanks

Hey, sorry for the slow reply. Laptops provide lower performance for much higher cost. Also the quality standard of the screens in laptops is incredibly poor for some reason, to the point where people think a 1080p screen is "good resolution". I have a monitor I paid £130 for in 2009, and its 1080p. But, you can always pick up a cheap monitor and link it to the laptop when at home.

To the point, resolution is not the main concern. The capability of the machine to actually play the game at a reasonable FPS is what really matters. The performance of the mobile graphics is vastly inferior to full-sized cards in desktops. Basically if you buy a brand new gaming laptop, you'd expect to be able to play brand new games at full quality, but the reality is you'll have to turn the graphics settings down to medium from day 1, and it's only going to get worse.

For comparison, http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=GeForce+GTX+860M shows the laptops graphics- 1661 is its score. http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=Radeon+R9+270X&id=2702 is what I have in my PC, which I built for £600 a year ago. I'd expect a full build (built by someone else) to come in below this price now, because desktop components lose value quicker (as they progress faster).




Edited By: soRahms on Jan 17, 2015 14:15: life story
#15
soRahms
tollyman
soRahms
Gaming laptops like this are a trap. This thing is a perfect blend of the poor performance of a laptop, mixed with the bulky inconvenience of a desktop. Its 17", over 3kg, and won't outperform a £400 desktop
LOL, like to see you use £400 desktop on the train complete with monitor & leads!
3 kilo's isn't that heavy, I'd say most gamers could manage it in a decent backpack.

Id like to see you game on this laptop on a train, too. You'd need a mouse, headphones, and a table. It'd be cramped and awkward, especially if you're sat next to someone. And then when you get to your destination you've got a **** laptop lol. It's not "that" heavy, but it's still going to be an uncomfortable backpack

It IS a trap because 99/100 buying this laptop will not be gaming on a train anyways, they just see it as a nice "option" to have, without realising that it means they massively sacrifice performance, which is what they are after in the first place. They're spending double the money (moreso, considering this can't really be upgraded) to get half the performance, on the off chance they need to move around.




Surely if someone is looking at laptops they want mobility. Not just for taking on the train that was just an example, there are loads of other reasons....

Students who want to take their PC's to uni and don't have a nice parent to drive them
People who like to have PC's on their laps while watching TV
Those who don't have enough room for a big PC setup in their House/flat/bedsit
People like me that like to do some gaming on the move and do have room on train, awkward as it maybe.

I'm sure there's loads more reasons why a desktop is not applicable.

Therefore for people that need their PC solution to be mobile (pretty sure your 99/100 is a complete guess and inaccurate) & need a decent amount of power (both CPU & GPU) for reasonable gaming & video editing then this laptop is a good & value for money option.

For those that don't need this level of mobility and want as much power as possible for their £££'s then it obviously isn't for them.

Your statement right's off gaming level laptops completely which I believe is unwarranted.
#16
tollyman
soRahms
tollyman
soRahms
Gaming laptops like this are a trap. This thing is a perfect blend of the poor performance of a laptop, mixed with the bulky inconvenience of a desktop. Its 17", over 3kg, and won't outperform a £400 desktop
LOL, like to see you use £400 desktop on the train complete with monitor & leads!
3 kilo's isn't that heavy, I'd say most gamers could manage it in a decent backpack.

Id like to see you game on this laptop on a train, too. You'd need a mouse, headphones, and a table. It'd be cramped and awkward, especially if you're sat next to someone. And then when you get to your destination you've got a **** laptop lol. It's not "that" heavy, but it's still going to be an uncomfortable backpack

It IS a trap because 99/100 buying this laptop will not be gaming on a train anyways, they just see it as a nice "option" to have, without realising that it means they massively sacrifice performance, which is what they are after in the first place. They're spending double the money (moreso, considering this can't really be upgraded) to get half the performance, on the off chance they need to move around.




Surely if someone is looking at laptops they want mobility. Not just for taking on the train that was just an example, there are loads of other reasons....

Students who want to take their PC's to uni and don't have a nice parent to drive them
People who like to have PC's on their laps while watching TV
Those who don't have enough room for a big PC setup in their House/flat/bedsit
People like me that like to do some gaming on the move and do have room on train, awkward as it maybe.

I'm sure there's loads more reasons why a desktop is not applicable.

Therefore for people that need their PC solution to be mobile (pretty sure your 99/100 is a complete guess and inaccurate) & need a decent amount of power (both CPU & GPU) for reasonable gaming & video editing then this laptop is a good & value for money option.

For those that don't need this level of mobility and want as much power as possible for their £££'s then it obviously isn't for them.

Your statement right's off gaming level laptops completely which I believe is unwarranted.

Basically if you go in to any PC gaming community you find a fairly large proportion on laptops, far more than you'd expect to be needing mobility. It's basically down to the fact that people don't understand where their money is going. There may be some niche uses, although the ones you mention aren't all great:

I disagree with the idea that ANYONE doesn't have room in their house for a small tower- £900 would get a compact powerful build easily
students move their PC once a year (and actually are the more savvy lot who tend to have proper PCs)
a £600 gaming PC would be better than this and leave you £300 to STILL buy a hugely overspecced laptop to sit on your knee for TV, and one that doesnt weigh 3kg)

I don't write them off completely but I would say that for the vast majority of owners, they have wasted money. And the money isn't just gone in the initial cost, its also gone when you have to upgrade years earlier (than you would have) because it cant play the games you buy. It's a market that is largely successful because the buyers are clueless.

Not to mention the reduced quality when they're at home, playing plugged in... at low graphics settings... on a small screen.

And discussing it generally doesn't go well, because, you know... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-purchase_rationalization
#17
LOL - the last comment doesn't really apply as I haven't bought one! I have an Acer Timeline U M3 i3 with a Geforce GT 640m GPU (Clearance bargain for £250 new a year ago when Hmv shutdown their local shop), Plays Rome TW2 smoothly at high settings (not ultra) which is good enough for me. :-)

You are coming from the point of view of a hard core gamer so I agee 100% that you are better off with a desktop. For other people who are not after the highest frame but equally don't want to play at the lowest setting then these medium price laptops are a great compromise between power and portability without breaking the bank.

I certainly wouldn't pay more than £1,000 fo a laptop to play games on as then you really could have both a Desktop & Laptop.

I must admit that I rarely upgraded my desktops when I was younger as when one part was out of date they all were and so I ended up buying a new PC anyway!

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