Graco Nautilus Car Seat - The Only Car Seat in UK to have 5 point harness to 65lb - £129.99 @ Halfords - HotUKDeals
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Halfords currently have a 10% of all car seats taking this to £116.99 and Quidco is a further 5% taking it to a potential £111.14.

BUT this is not really the reason i am posting. It has been commonly known for a while that 5 point harnesses are the safest way for your child to travel for as long as they can. Unfortunately, car seat manufacturers decided that in the UK there was only demand for these up to the age of 4 (15 kg or 33lb). You can use the 5 point harness on this car seat upto 29.5 kg or 65lb if you choose.

The official version...
3-in-1 multi-mode Car Seat for longer use 20 pounds to 100 pounds
Extended 5-point harness for children 20-65 pounds
Converts to High-back belt positioning booster for child 30 pounds to 100 pounds
Converts to backless booster for child 40 pounds to 100 pounds
Steel reinforced frame for durability

Versatile, Convertible Design Lasts through Early Childhood
The Nautilus features an extended five-point harness design that can accommodate children over the age of one, from 20 to 65 pounds in weight--a wider range than most other forward-facing car seats. As your child grows, the seat easily converts to a high-back booster and then, lastly, to a backless booster for a child up to 100 pounds in weight. A steel-reinforced frame and superior construction help to ensure safety and durability through years of use.

Built for Comfort and Superior Safety
You can rest assured that your child will have superior protection while riding in the Nautilus, thanks to extensive crash testing and a steel-reinforced structure. The car seat meets or exceeds US Safety Standards, including U.S. Compliance Standard FMVSS 213; the New Car Assessment Program (NCAP), with peak Crash Force approximately twice the Car Seat Standard; and tests for Extreme Car Interior Temperatures. EPS energy-absorbing foam provides additional security and comfort.

As well as being secure and safe, your child will feel extra-comfy, too, with an easily adjustable head support, cushioned seat, and wide armrests; a cup holder and side storage keeps snacks and treasures close at hand.
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I'm confused, the instruction manual http://media.gracobaby.eu/manuals/GC_GBU_9115_IM%20Nautilus_PD125869A_NR1_PRINT.pdf on the Graco website says the five point harness mode is only suitable up to 18KG which is 40lbs. So is it rated up to 65lbs or not?

Edit: Looking at the instructions again, on page 40 it says that the car seat cannot be used with a lap belt only then on page 54 it shows how to fit it with a lap-only belt. Not very good, and rather alarming for a piece of safety equipment!
#3
Right after some further research I think Halfords have made an uber cockup. I don't think this seat is suitable for up to 65lbs with the integral harness.

I think the description is for the US version not the UK/EU version, probably some muppet at Halfords has just cut and pasted the description from the web, but for the wrong model! It's a bit stupid Graco using the same model name for similar but different seats in different markets.

If you compare the diagrams in the instructions for the US and EU versions you can see the harness mountings on the back of them are different. The EU harness is only designed to restrain 18KG or 40lbs not 65lbs.

It seems there are no group 2/3 seats available in the UK with integral belts. There are some 1/2/3 combination seats, like this one, which have belts but the belts are to be removed when the child reaches 18KG, then the seat used as a high backed booster seat.

Seems stupid to me, surely an integral 5 point harness would be better at restraining the child and the adult belt best at restraining the seat itself?
#4
I've been trying for ages to get something similar to this. My son is disabled, and needs a 5 pt harness to keep him safe and upright. We bought a special needs car seat at £175 but its now too small and we need something bigger, the only thing available is another special needs one with a pricetag of around £400!
#5
Thanks vd

I emailed Graco before christmas to ask when this would be available in this country and they said feb with no mention it would be a different model.
I have emailed them again to clarify this as I have no use for another adult belt booster, and i will order from america
1 Like #6
lucki
Thanks vd

I emailed Graco before christmas to ask when this would be available in this country and they said feb with no mention it would be a different model.
I have emailed them again to clarify this as I have no use for another adult belt booster, and i will order from america


It may be that the seat is the same as the US one, but the diagrams do appear to show a different design at the back. Maybe Graco have broken from convention and had the seat tested under EU test conditions to 65lbs so that it could be sold in Europe. This would be excellent news as it would be much safer than booster seats. Please let us know what reply you receive from Graco.

Reading around the subject as far as I can see the European regulation that covers which car seats can be sold in the EU only says that they must meet United Nations ECE Regulation R44.03 I can't see anywhere in that regulation where it says children over 18KG must be restrained directly by the adult belt.

So why does all the UK government information say that children above 15Kg should be placed in booster seats? And why can't we buy seats with integral belts for up to 65lbs like the US Graco ones?

Also why does the information not mention that rear facing seats, which are available for up to four year olds, are five times safer than forward facing? http://www.rearfacing.co.uk/

Regarding whether the Graco Nautilus can be fitted with only a lap belt: If you look at the US seat instructions it has text alongside a picture which is identical to the one in the European manual on page 40. It says that the seat is not suitable to be fitted with "Lap Belts Forward of Seat Crease", i.e. in the middle of the car's seat cushion - all the modern British cars with lap belts, that I have seen, have them mounted at the joint between the back and bottom cushion - so YES the seat is safe to fit with only a lap belt, if the integral belts are used.

If the integral belts are safe for up to 65lbs then this would be great news for people like ourselves who have a car with a lap-only centre seat and a child approaching the 18KG limit of it's current child seat.
#7
The Halfords product customer Q&A page now says in response to the question

" Q: I just want to confirm what the maximum weight limit is for using this seat with the 5 point harness attached - not using it in booster mode?"

"A: The maximum weight for the 5 point harness is recommended at 65lbs to change to the booster and use the cars seat 3 point seat belt system."

So if Halfords are correct then whoopee it does do up to 65lbs!

Think I might pop down there and have a look if I can find time.
#8
VDisillusioned
It may be that the seat is the same as the US one, but the diagrams do appear to show a different design at the back. Maybe Graco have broken from convention and had the seat tested under EU test conditions to 65lbs so that it could be sold in Europe. This would be excellent news as it would be much safer than booster seats. Please let us know what reply you receive from Graco.

Reading around the subject as far as I can see the European regulation that covers which car seats can be sold in the EU only says that they must meet United Nations ECE Regulation R44.03 I can't see anywhere in that regulation where it says children over 18KG must be restrained directly by the adult belt.

So why does all the UK government information say that children above 15Kg should be placed in booster seats? And why can't we buy seats with integral belts for up to 65lbs like the US Graco ones?

Also why does the information not mention that rear facing seats, which are available for up to four year olds, are five times safer than forward facing? http://www.rearfacing.co.uk/

Regarding whether the Graco Nautilus can be fitted with only a lap belt: If you look at the US seat instructions it has text alongside a picture which is identical to the one in the European manual on page 40. It says that the seat is not suitable to be fitted with "Lap Belts Forward of Seat Crease", i.e. in the middle of the car's seat cushion - all the modern British cars with lap belts, that I have seen, have them mounted at the joint between the back and bottom cushion - so YES the seat is safe to fit with only a lap belt, if the integral belts are used.

If the integral belts are safe for up to 65lbs then this would be great news for people like ourselves who have a car with a lap-only centre seat and a child approaching the 18KG limit of it's current child seat.


well said i have often thought about this myself ! our kids are forward facing at 9mth and in a booster with back at 3 4 ish with adult seat belt but at that age in america and such they can still use 5 point intergral harness
they do sell the rearward facing over here now but only selected stores and they are about £250 ! so not cheap :(
i find this a good site about it all and they if u go thru links show u where u can find the older versoins of the rearward facing ones :)

hope this helps sumone n well posted ladies :) :thumbsup:
#9
i just bought this, and as it is there is no way you would fit a 65lb child in this
#10
lucki
i just bought this, and as it is there is no way you would fit a 65lb child in this


What do the instructions say? Are they the same as the link I posted?

Edit: I've just noticed that they have changed the description to say that it is only suitable up 18KG with the integral straps. They haven't deleted the incorrect answer to the customer question about maximum weight though.

So obviously some pillock at Halfrauds needed to add a description to the web page and being a lazy git just googled "Graco Nautilus" and copied the description from the first US web page they found. Unbelievably stupid, as is Graco using the same name for two apparently similar but very different specification products.
#11
The instructions do say upto to 18kg with harness. I am still waiting for Graco to get back to me and this seat will be going back to Halfords! Looks like i will be importing from USA then. Although i feel quite loath to use graco at the moment
#12
lucki
The instructions do say upto to 18kg with harness. I am still waiting for Graco to get back to me and this seat will be going back to Halfords! Looks like i will be importing from USA then. Although i feel quite loath to use graco at the moment


I'm less than impressed with Graco. Firstly because of their stupid policy of apparently selling a lesser specification car seat (for more money) in Europe with the same name as the US version and secondly, I also emailed them to clarify the truth and have heard nothing back.

Actually I am totally fed up with the problems of child car seats. The regulations are in my, and others, opinion stupid and not fit for purpose. It seems ridiculous that the rules allow children to be seated in a booster with a lap belt, which is extremely dangerous, yet prevent manufacturers from selling seats with 5 point harnesses for larger children.

We are in the position of having a car with a lap belt in the middle rear seat and a 3YO who is now 16KG and getting too big for his group 1 seat. We've been looking for the right model replacement car for a year now but there are never any of the right specification within 50 miles. I won't import a US model child seat because using it would be illegal even if it was safer, I doubt you would get prosecuted but you never know.

The only legal solutions I have found, other than getting a new car, are a: http://www.multimac.co.uk/shop/ Nice but £1300 - OUCH! or b: http://www.securon.co.uk/other/seat_belts_centre.htm which is doable but a hassle.
#13
Thanks for the info about it being illegal, i didnt realise that
Graco said
The 5 point harness is to be removed when your child reaches 18kg or their shoulders are above the top slots where the harness feeds through. Please refer to the instructions that I have attached to the email. The Nautilus is based on the US seat, however we have made some modifications. As regulations are very different in the US, being much stricter here in the UK, you will find there are a few differences between the seats.
I told them they should be reported to the safety watchdog, claiming there is very little difference between them except the fact you can put 5 year olds safely in one and not the other!
#14
Hi, I've been reading this thread with interest as I need 2 x car seats with built in 5 point harness for older children that can be used on lapbelts and thought this car seat would be perfect but now it appears not

Has anyone any further information please?
#15
This post was last year but to my knowledge there has still been no improvement in the situation. I ended up buying a cheap graco booster as an interim seat, till i found a 5 pointer. I gave up recently and invested in a cybex booster but definitely not as secure as i would like.

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