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After fifteen long years of speculation, rumours, and disappointment, the one-time "most dangerous band in the world" finally reward their fans' patience with the release of Chinese Democracy. Guns N'… Read More
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7y, 6m agoFound 7 years, 6 months ago
After fifteen long years of speculation, rumours, and disappointment, the one-time "most dangerous band in the world" finally reward their fans' patience with the release of Chinese Democracy. Guns N' Roses' fifth full-length studio album of original material is an uncompromising, fully-focused, hard rock monster that brings the rockers' early sound alive with modern day stylistics.

Title track 'Chinese Democracy' opens the album in grandiose style. A montage of sirens and Chinese dialogue rise as the track bursts into life with a riff of speaker-endangering proportions and Axl Rose's trademark falsetto squeal. Keeping Guns N' Roses familiar sound intact with ferocious riffs, Chinese Democracy throws in grinding industrial rock and keys-and-strings balladry for good measure. While the stabbing-dagger licks of 'Riad N' The Bedouins' and looping squeals of 'Street of Dreams' offer an Appetite For Destruction fuzz, 'There Was A Time' reverts away from the band's previous raw sound with a delicately structured style that incorporates new-found techniques with wah-wah guitars, a full-strength choir, and Axl Rose's overdubbed sour-growl harmonies. Incorporating a vast array of movements, themes, and motifs, Chinese Democracy offers a scattergun approach to song structure that packs the maximum punch per pound.

Despite frontman and mastermind Axl Rose being the sole remaining founder member of Guns N' Roses, the music sounds much as it did back in the band's glory days: it is massively produced, bluesy rock with a decidedly misanthropic vibe. But with the added accompaniment of new techniques and sounds developed over its fifteen year construction, Chinese Democracy has become an audacious, unhinged, and uncompromising hard rock record that marks a triumphant return to form for one of history's greatest rock bands.
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#1
15 years and millions spent............ its rubbish.

What a disapointment.
cold
#2
Disagree....I liked it...a lot. Heat from me.
#3
A good album in it's own right, and well worth owning, but to compare this to previous incarnations of GnR is pointless.
1 Like #4
Its like calling a Ringo Starr album 'The Beatles'
suspended#5
I say "panty liners" Dunno why.....just had an urge to say that :)
suspended#6
I gave you heat though because its a good price and he can still sing soooo good :)
#7
alcatraz1968
Disagree....I liked it...a lot. Heat from me.


Each to their own :thumbsup:

Hiroki
Such a great album but if your one of those people who are expecting them to sound the same as they did in the 90's....well you will be disapointed.


Thats why its £ 2.99

badgerman2
A good album in it's own right, and well worth owning, but to compare this to previous incarnations of GnR is pointless.


Who's comparing ?

iNSOMANiAC
Its like calling a Ringo Starr album 'The Beatles'


Correct !
#8
Monkeybumcheeks
15 years and millions spent............ its rubbish.

What a disapointment.
cold


Idiot.It's the cheapest available, so it's a hot deal whether you like the album or not.

On the quality of the album point, t's a spectacularly good album, and the only people disappointed with it are those who for some bizarre reason thought it was going to be 'Appetite For Destruction' 2. Everyone open to Guns changing and making different music love it.

It's different, not bad. And in this case different is very, very good. A genuine evolution, and as most professionals have already attested to, the best production, mixing and mastering of any album released last year, or any other year.
#9
Monkeybumcheeks
Thats why its £ 2.99


No, it's £2.99 because it sold so many copies that the label has made back it's expenditure already and has allowed it to be sold cheaper by suppliers. That's how things work.

Monkeybumcheeks
Who's comparing ?


You, it would seem.
#10
ravenheart;6616967
It's different, not bad. And in this case different is very, very good. A genuine evolution, and as most professionals have already attested to, the best production, mixing and mastering of any album released last year, or any other year.



I quite like the album, but it's so brickwalled I can't bear to listen to it on headphones. These so called 'professionals' you speak of must have hearing damage :p
#11
Name calling.

Nice.

I think I've heard one half decent track from this..... I take it they'll be doing some massive stadium dates off the back of this album ?

Cant wait :thumbsup:
#12
Monkeybumcheeks
15 years and millions spent............ its rubbish.

What a disapointment.
cold


Hot or cold is about the deal, not if you like it or not.
#13
Couple of good songs, but not as good as the older stuff! :)
#14
diGriz
Hot or cold is about the deal, not if you like it or not.


Great deal - crap album.

Nothing personal. :)
#15
Monkeybumcheeks
Great deal for crap album.

Nothing personal. :)


exactly!
#16
MBeeching
I quite like the album, but it's so brickwalled I can't bear to listen to it on headphones. These so called 'professionals' you speak of must have hearing damage :p


Without meaning to sound like a complete twerp, what does Brickwalled mean please? Thought I was an audiophile but I've not heard the term.

Don't know why so many people think this is so bad, I personally think that Appetite is hugely overrated and this album has at least half a dozen good songs on it that make it worth double this.

Waiting for the barrage of people to call me a fool.:whistling:
#17
It's ok, nothing special though, all the tracks seem to be coming completely off of a different page or time. No 'bandsound' so to speak.

Sounds like what it is, a patchwork quilt of about 15 years worth of work, chopped up and remixed for 2008.

Well worth £2.99 for the inquisitive though, so it's hot.

Won't be getting played in 20 years time, when Appetite For Destruction still will. Thems the facts.
1 Like #18
Monkeybumcheeks
Great deal for crap album.

Nothing personal. :)


Didn't take it as such.:-D
banned#19
diGriz
Hot or cold is about the deal, not if you like it or not.


I like this arguement! So in that case come and give some heat to my bargain DUCKS FEET here...

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#20
Andysan
I personally think that Appetite is hugely overrated
Waiting for the barrage of people to call me a fool.:whistling:


You SIr, are a fool :)
#21
the album is alright. It's not a classic album, and it's not really a GN'R album, but it's not an awful listen either.

I think part of the problem is that Axl underestemated the importance of the other members of GN'R. Axl is credited as being the sole writer of 'November Rain', but anyone who thinks Axl wrote the guitar solo at the end (an all time great guitar solo) is crazy. Axl's writing combined with input from the other members of GN'R lead to some classic tunes.
#22
iNSOMANiAC
Its like calling a Ringo Starr album 'The Beatles'


Nothing like it at all... ringo starr wouldn't call himself 'the Beatles' if he got a band together now...the same as axl shouldn't have called this band g n r.

Aside from that, this is a POOR album on the whole...other than shacklers revenge its very average.
#23
diGriz
Hot or cold is about the deal, not if you like it or not.


Yes - and in this case, the deal is 14 decidedly average songs for £2.99. Hence cold :thumbsup:

Otherwise (ie your method of hot / cold voting) if Katie Price (Jordan) released a single for 50p, we would all have to vote it hot and it would get the most heat ever on HUKD and the forum would have to close from sheer embarrassement. Do you see?
#24
This a stunning deal and the album is amazing. Too many people are fan bois of the old stuff and simply cant move on in there head...

GnR moved on....Did you know,to those slagging this album, that the main writers of almost all GnR songs past and present was Axl and Izzy. Slash's creatively was not so involved apart from a few songs! THis can be shown in VR songs some were great but quickly became old the rest dissapeared into an oblivion..

How many different memebers of Faith no More were there 11!!!
#25
good deal
good album
and yes he can still whale
plus tour gettin announced next week hopefully
#26
Johnboy_1975
Yes - and in this case, the deal is 14 decidedly average songs for £2.99. Hence cold :thumbsup:

Otherwise (ie your method of hot / cold voting) if Katie Price (Jordan) released a single for 50p, we would all have to vote it hot and it would get the most heat ever on HUKD and the forum would have to close from sheer embarrassement. Do you see?


There is a neutral option, also the fact you don't have to vote at all. I seldom vote on items I'm not informed about or dislike. And your example is hysterical.
#27
Andysan
Without meaning to sound like a complete twerp, what does Brickwalled mean please? Thought I was an audiophile but I've not heard the term.


He's referring to the massive amount of compression and limiting (particularly what's known as "brickwall limiting") used on the album. This has been a trend in music since the early nineties, and shows no signs of going away.

Basically the audio has been pushed to the limit, made as loud as humanly possible, in an attempt to make it sound "big" and "in your face". However, this kills the dynamic range and sucks the life out of the music, making it somewhat fatiguing to listen to, especially on headphones or a decent hi-fi. If done really badly, it can also cause distortion, clicks and pops in the audio.

It's an effect that some people are blissfully unaware of, while for others it makes an album totally unlistenable.

Andysan
Waiting for the barrage of people to call me a fool.:whistling:


The only fools I can see are those who bother entering into slanging matches on the internet about musical taste - surely the most subjective thing in the world. :roll:
#28
Teh Lemur



The only fools I can see are those who bother entering into slanging matches on the internet about musical taste - surely the most subjective thing in the world. :roll:


I agree with you that taste is subjective. Its not that I wish to get into a flame war with regards to it.. what I dont like to see is people who are blinded by pre conceptions of an album.. alot of my friends were like this with Chinese Democracy and after I convinced them to listen to it a few more times and give it a chance... they love it... and I also wanted to open peoples eyes to the fact that Axl along with Izzy have always been the main song writers in the band.. Duff, Slash, Sorum, Adler, Gilby as much as I love them, were more important as part of the imagery rather than the product!

Reg
#29
evil213666
I agree with you that taste is subjective. Its not that I wish to get into a flame war with regards to it.. what I dont like to see is people who are blinded by pre conceptions of an album.. alot of my friends were like this with Chinese Democracy and after I convinced them to listen to it a few more times and give it a chance... they love it... and I also wanted to open peoples eyes to the fact that Axl along with Izzy have always been the main song writers in the band.. Duff, Slash, Sorum, Adler, Gilby as much as I love them, were more important as part of the imagery rather than the product! Reg


I disagree on Slash. Without his guitar playing style they would have been a totally different band, more akin to Mottley Crue or Poison. Remember, even though it was Rose & Stradlin who wrote the bulk of the songs it was Slash that wrote the riffs for Sweet Child, Jungle and Paradise City. That's a contribution to say the least! In fact Estranged is credited solely to Rose but Slash wrote all the main guitar lick that in my opinion is what differentiates the song from any other piano ballad.

Duff however, is, was and always will be a terrible bass player who offered little to the band! Clark & Sorum were talented guns for hire, Adler was a good drummer nothing more.

I think this is a good album, it's unfair to judge it by the past. The songs are good in their own right - Madagascar, IRS, Better, Chinese Democracy are all good tracks. Street of Dreams & Catcher in the Rye are slightly dated but still good. I would say that Shackler's Revenge is the only song that really offers anything new though.

I agree the production is ropey in places but it's not awful and the performance doesn't have the soul of Appetite but then again neither did the Illusion albums. That was a one off that really can only be achieved by a young band with nothing to lose.

For those arguing on the word "deal". This album cost £9-11 when released, even now is costs £5-8 at most retailers, for £2.99 it is a bargain. It is a good album even if it's not to your taste. If you can handle GnR without Slash (which I can, and I'm a huge fan of Slash!) then it's worth a listen. It sold 5.4 million copies, had a successful tour off the back of it and received favourable reviews, so some people must like it. If you don't like it, don't vote either way; you are not voting for a product, you're voting for the bargain defined as how much it is versus how much it should be.

The Katie Price argument is stupid. If Katie Price released a single that cost £3 and somewhere was selling it for 50p, it would be a bargain. You might not like it, but some one might. To each their own.
#30
"some mothers talking about guns n roses, as if I give a ****, at best I think they suck" Edwyn Collins
#31
Who gives a f** about a one hit 'wonder' like Edwyn Collins. I'd be glad if I never hear "A girl like you" ever again. I think they used it endlessly in Home and Away years ago. Guns N Roses is a dirty name these days, but a secret pleasure. I thought some of the tracks on this new album were hilariously bad. Good deal though if you like it.
#32
No, it's £2.99 because it sold so many copies that the label has made back it's expenditure already and has allowed it to be sold cheaper by suppliers. That's how things work.


Someone should tell The Beatles that.

Far more likely there's a warehouseful of unsold copies because they grossly overestimated demand.
#33
fishmaster;6620581
Who gives a f** about a one hit 'wonder' like Edwyn Collins. I'd be glad if I never hear "A girl like you" ever again. I think they used it endlessly in Home and Away years ago.


His 1997 release 'I'm Not Following You' was a great album, used to love the track Adidas World.
#34
How did we go from Guns n Roses to Edwyn Collins?
#35
ravenheart
No, it's £2.99 because it sold so many copies that the label has made back it's expenditure already and has allowed it to be sold cheaper by suppliers. That's how things work.


It's sold less than 5 million worldwide so it probably hasn't even made back the marketing budget never mind the recording costs.

Cue a world tour anytime soon to generate some real cash:whistling:
#36
Hot, one of the cheapest around, also £3 at HMV in store, for those who prefer to buy from shops.
#37
tour now announced

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