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The proud recipient of a 'What Video & High-Definition TV' Best Buy 5 Star Award, this 2.0m full HD 1080p HDMI cable is triple shielded with gold plated connectors for superior connection quality. Thi… Read More
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The proud recipient of a 'What Video & High-Definition TV' Best Buy 5 Star Award, this 2.0m full HD 1080p HDMI cable is triple shielded with gold plated connectors for superior connection quality. This cable is also certified to the latest 1.3 HDMI standard, ensuring compatibility with all your latest HD equipment.

> 2.0m
> Full HD 1080p
> HDMI v. 1.3 certified
> Triple shielded
> Gold plated connectors
> XV Deep Colour
> Up to 48 bit colour depth
> HD audio bitstream compatible
> 10.2 Gbps data transfer rate
> 99.999% Oxygen Free Copper
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#1
Save your money and get one for less than £5 from Ebuyer or CPC! You won't notice any difference...
#2
Unfortunately HDMI cables have to be £1.99 or less on here to get any heat at all. So this will get cold very quick despite how good a deal this may or may not be.

The place is full of experts you see.
#3
urbans01
You won't notice any difference...


Not true. I have noticed on a few of these forums that people have the assumption that because the cable is transmitting a digital signal, that all it needs to do is create a connection, and the cable itself cannot make a difference. This is simply not true.

Although the tolerances are finer, you will still notice a difference in colour separation, colour depth and image sharpness when comparing a cheap standard cable with a more premium version. The misconception seems to be that the digital HDMI signal is either on or off - but this is not the case.

For example, the poorer quality the cable, the shorter distance the signal will be able to travel. This is because the signal degrades more quickly when being sent down an inferior quality cable, until it can no longer be received at the other end. The point to note here is that the signal 'degrades' - it doesn't just suddenly turn off, having worked to a consistently high standard.

If anyone would like me to go into more detail, I will gladly do so. But there IS a quality difference in HDMI cables.
#4
tech-guy
Not true. I have noticed on a few of these forums that people have the assumption that because the cable is transmitting a digital signal, that all it needs to do is create a connection, and the cable itself cannot make a difference. This is simply not true.

Although the tolerances are finer, you will still notice a difference in colour separation, colour depth and image sharpness when comparing a cheap standard cable with a more premium version. The misconception seems to be that the digital HDMI signal is either on or off - but this is not the case.

For example, the poorer quality the cable, the shorter distance the signal will be able to travel. This is because the signal degrades more quickly when being sent down an inferior quality cable, until it can no longer be received at the other end. The point to note here is that the signal 'degrades' - it doesn't just suddenly turn off, having worked to a consistently high standard.

If anyone would like me to go into more detail, I will gladly do so. But there IS a quality difference in HDMI cables.


Don't even go there, its fruitless. Trust me, let it lie.
banned#5
tech-guy
Not true. I have noticed on a few of these forums that people have the assumption that because the cable is transmitting a digital signal, that all it needs to do is create a connection, and the cable itself cannot make a difference. This is simply not true.

Although the tolerances are finer, you will still notice a difference in colour separation, colour depth and image sharpness when comparing a cheap standard cable with a more premium version. The misconception seems to be that the digital HDMI signal is either on or off - but this is not the case.

For example, the poorer quality the cable, the shorter distance the signal will be able to travel. This is because the signal degrades more quickly when being sent down an inferior quality cable, until it can no longer be received at the other end. The point to note here is that the signal 'degrades' - it doesn't just suddenly turn off, having worked to a consistently high standard.

If anyone would like me to go into more detail, I will gladly do so. But there IS a quality difference in HDMI cables.




no there isnt a difference pal.

even though its not worth a mention, the gadget show on 5 is good for one or two things. especially when they did a hands on test with all their new big screen lcd plasma tv's and loadsa of expensive and cheap cables...

guess what...no difference. only buy ones with the gold connectors and youre sorted.

so save yourself the money. also, 'which' isnt really a fruitful source of info.
#6
Ha ha - the gadget show. Well I shall be sure to tune in next week!
#7
Things like this annoy me. This is a website for hot deals. I don't call £27 for a 2 metre cable a 'hot deal'. I call it a 'rip-off'. You can talk it up as much as you like but at the end of the day it's only a cable. And there is no way that a cable could be worth £27. I'd rather go to Poundstretcher and get one for £3 even if it did cause a 'difference in colour separation'. Which I doubt.

Voted cold.
#8
Monty Mercury
Things like this annoy me.
Perhaps you need to get out more then...

Hot deal doesn't necessarily mean cheap, and cost has nothing to do with worth. Clearly you are not interested in quality, merely getting things as cheaply as possible. I for one am happy to pay for things that I know make a difference.

What a shame there are so many people on this forum who vote things cold because they think things should be cheap to be called a good deal.
#9
I know what you mean, I also know where you are coming from regards to the cable. Anyhow I appreciate you posting as I am sure some others may, so don't let it get you down:thumbsup:
#10
tech-guy
Perhaps you need to get out more then...


Ooooohhhh!!! Get the Madam!!

I need to get out more? I ain't the one jerking myself off over a 27 quid cable.
#11
tech-guy
Perhaps you need to get out more then...

Hot deal doesn't necessarily mean cheap, and cost has nothing to do with worth. Clearly you are not interested in quality, merely getting things as cheaply as possible. I for one am happy to pay for things that I know make a difference.

What a shame there are so many people on this forum who vote things cold because they think things should be cheap to be called a good deal.


Your happy to pay this much money for a cable that does the same job as a £5 cable?? You must have more money than sense. And talking about the signal degrading along the cable, do you think the more expensive ones are using a different quality cable than the cheapo ones. I think not my friend. If anything, the connectors at the end might be slightly better quality but not noticable.

If anyone buys these because they have seen them on thsi site, you have just caused them to waste about twenty odd quid.

Well done hero!!
#12
I'm afraid this argument is a hangover from the 'old' analogue days when the construction of cables DID make a difference...unfortunately, some companies really took the pi$$ and charged ludicrous prices for their 'all singing all dancing' products! It makes sense, if you have spent a fortune on your Plasma, BluRay etc, to get a reasonably priced cable to be sure your getting the best out of it... ...this particular cable is at the top of the acceptable price scale IMHO.

...This is the one I bought for my system...I don't really know if it's any better than one from poundland, but the sheer beauty and superb construction of it makes me feel it couldn't be bettered!! :thumbsup:
#13
rudie111
Your happy to pay this much money for a cable that does the same job as a £5 cable??


No - that's the point, I am saying it does a much better job than a £5 cable, as are What Video and High-Definition TV magazine, having given it a 5 star review and a Best Buy award.

rudie111
And talking about the signal degrading along the cable, do you think the more expensive ones are using a different quality cable than the cheapo ones.


Yes they do, I know they do. Not only do they use higher purity copper, some use higher gauge cable enabling greater bandwidth and some even use silver plated cable which has a lower resistance than copper. All of which improves picture and sound quality, and adds cost.

If you don't want to spend the money, then don't. However, if you prefer higher quality then do. The choice is yours.
#14
Probably a nice to have if you have money. Most people will go for cheaper ones though. I doubt whether many will spot the difference to be honest.
#15
tech-guy
Not true. I have noticed on a few of these forums that people have the assumption that because the cable is transmitting a digital signal, that all it needs to do is create a connection, and the cable itself cannot make a difference. This is simply not true.

Although the tolerances are finer, you will still notice a difference in colour separation, colour depth and image sharpness when comparing a cheap standard cable with a more premium version. The misconception seems to be that the digital HDMI signal is either on or off - but this is not the case.

For example, the poorer quality the cable, the shorter distance the signal will be able to travel. This is because the signal degrades more quickly when being sent down an inferior quality cable, until it can no longer be received at the other end. The point to note here is that the signal 'degrades' - it doesn't just suddenly turn off, having worked to a consistently high standard.

If anyone would like me to go into more detail, I will gladly do so. But there IS a quality difference in HDMI cables.


He is telling the truth. Once the signal has degraded below a 'on' signal you will have a 'off' signal.. If this happens the cable has failed. Unless this happens you will not see any diffrence in picture as there isn't one.
Only realy **** cables would fail at < 5mtrs!
And you can stil get a decent cable for less than £10 for 5+ mtrs.
#16
Broadsword;4675384
Unfortunately HDMI cables have to be £1.99 or less on here to get any heat at all. So this will get cold very quick despite how good a deal this may or may not be.

The place is full of experts you see.


Agreed, my brother is an expert (put is this way, if it wasnt for him and his team, no-one subscribed to virginmedia in his area would get a service). But the idiots still wouldnt believe him, theyd rather believe mr "idiot" on a site run by mr nobody.

Thought id correct your last statement "The place is full of idiots you see".

In fact I have just replaced a cheapo optical cable which was connected for sound only between my onkyo amp and xbox360 - few weeks back - no sound - reason: cable damaged near connector at back of amp due to poor quality - sure its a tight fit at the back but the chord and qed cables are fine.
#17
tech-guy;4675484
Not true. I have noticed on a few of these forums that people have the assumption that because the cable is transmitting a digital signal, that all it needs to do is create a connection, and the cable itself cannot make a difference. This is simply not true.

Although the tolerances are finer, you will still notice a difference in colour separation, colour depth and image sharpness when comparing a cheap standard cable with a more premium version. The misconception seems to be that the digital HDMI signal is either on or off - but this is not the case.

For example, the poorer quality the cable, the shorter distance the signal will be able to travel. This is because the signal degrades more quickly when being sent down an inferior quality cable, until it can no longer be received at the other end. The point to note here is that the signal 'degrades' - it doesn't just suddenly turn off, having worked to a consistently high standard.

If anyone would like me to go into more detail, I will gladly do so. But there IS a quality difference in HDMI cables.


well done, totally agree - someone on here who has more than 1 brain cell
#18
kapows;4675582
no there isnt a difference pal.

even though its not worth a mention, the gadget show on 5 is good for one or two things. especially when they did a hands on test with all their new big screen lcd plasma tv's and loadsa of expensive and cheap cables...

guess what...no difference. only buy ones with the gold connectors and youre sorted.

so save yourself the money. also, 'which' isnt really a fruitful source of info.

the gadget show???!!! hahahahahahaha!
I like the gadget show but as for a means of accurate fact based reviews, dont make me laugh....they arent very thorough. How long did they do the tests for? 2 minutes? maybe 3?
#19
Monty Mercury;4675687
Things like this annoy me. This is a website for hot deals. I don't call £27 for a 2 metre cable a 'hot deal'. I call it a 'rip-off'. You can talk it up as much as you like but at the end of the day it's only a cable. And there is no way that a cable could be worth £27. I'd rather go to Poundstretcher and get one for £3 even if it did cause a 'difference in colour separation'. Which I doubt.

Voted cold.


so, you spend £00's on a tv, then £00's on amp and speakers and 5p on cables to connect them.....makes perfect sense doesnt it?
#20
Krinkle;4675966
I'm afraid this argument is a hangover from the 'old' analogue days when the construction of cables DID make a difference...unfortunately, some companies really took the pi$$ and charged ludicrous prices for their 'all singing all dancing' products! It makes sense, if you have spent a fortune on your Plasma, BluRay etc, to get a reasonably priced cable to be sure your getting the best out of it... ...this particular cable is at the top of the acceptable price scale IMHO.

...This is the one I bought for my system...I don't really know if it's any better than one from poundland, but the sheer beauty and superb construction of it makes me feel it couldn't be bettered!! :thumbsup:


no, but your last sentence is wrong according to dumb dumbs, there is no difference between these cables (or is it they are jealous because they cant afford them!)
#21
Monty Mercury;4675687
Things like this annoy me. This is a website for hot deals. I don't call £27 for a 2 metre cable a 'hot deal'. I call it a 'rip-off'. You can talk it up as much as you like but at the end of the day it's only a cable. And there is no way that a cable could be worth £27. I'd rather go to Poundstretcher and get one for £3 even if it did cause a 'difference in colour separation'. Which I doubt.

Voted cold.

what annoys me is when people post deals on cheap tat at cheap prices (which will be landfill in a week) or 1p off a tin o beans
#22
tech-guy
No - that's the point, I am saying it does a much better job than a £5 cable, as are What Video and High-Definition TV magazine, having given it a 5 star review and a Best Buy award.



Yes they do, I know they do. Not only do they use higher purity copper, some use higher gauge cable enabling greater bandwidth and some even use silver plated cable which has a lower resistance than copper. All of which improves picture and sound quality, and adds cost.

If you don't want to spend the money, then don't. However, if you prefer higher quality then do. The choice is yours.


Now you’ve lost me how does silver plated copper cable lower resistance :?

How about this one: http://hotukdeals.com/item/360799/hdmi-1-3b-5-meters-9-99-play/
#23
Geemac
Now you’ve lost me how does silver plated copper cable lower resistance :?


Silver has a lower resistance than copper, so by plating the copper wire in silver, the cable has a lower resistance overall, and doesn't restrict the signal flow as much. What this means is the signal stays 'cleaner' for longer producing a better signal overall.
#24
royals
what annoys me is when people post deals on cheap tat at cheap prices (which will be landfill in a week) or 1p off a tin o beans


I bought a modem cable from the pound shop which my neighbour paid £20 for at PC World. And guess what? Exactly the same cable. Oh and guess what also? It's still working.

If you think it's a good deal, go ahead and get it. At least you're keeping someone in a job. And lining someone else's pockets.

Don't forget to vote it hot too 'cause it's not doing too well at the moment.
#25
Ha! Ha! Ha!

Bargain!

However, I prefer this 'cos it makes a real difference to my 1's and 0's:p

http://www.audiovisualonline.co.uk/dynamic/eshop_products.set/ref/2563/wireworld-starlight-5-hdmi-interconnect-2m/display.html
#26
Monty Mercury
I bought a modem cable from the pound shop which my neighbour paid £20 for at PC World.


The last time I checked this was about an HDMI cable. Or do all cables look the same to you?

Let's try to compare apples with apples shall we?
#27
tech-guy
Silver has a lower resistance than copper, so by plating the copper wire in silver, the cable has a lower resistance overall, and doesn't restrict the signal flow as much. What this means is the signal stays 'cleaner' for longer producing a better signal overall.


I see where can I get a all silver cable:p
#28
if it aint a starlight i dont wanna know
#29
tech-guy
No - that's the point, I am saying it does a much better job than a £5 cable, as are What Video and High-Definition TV magazine, having given it a 5 star review and a Best Buy award.

Ooh magazines. Journalists. They know what they're talking about, don't they? How else would they sell all that advertising space to all those lovely CABLE MANUFACTURERS... :roll:

Don't listen to all those dumb scientists with their PhDs in electrical engineering trying to push cheap cabling as part of their commie agenda.
#30
Geemac
I see where can I get a all silver cable:p


Most premium cable manufacturers make silver plated version of their HDMI cables:

IXOS
QED
Belkin
Monster
Vivanco

Depends what you're after really. I know that the IXOS and QED cables review very well - try this...

http://www.hificablesdirect.com/5/Ixos--XHT658-HDMI-Cable.html?referrer=froogle
#31
tech-guy
Most premium cable manufacturers make silver plated version of their HDMI cables:

IXOS
QED
Belkin
Monster
Vivanco

Depends what you're after really. I know that the IXOS and QED cables review very well - try this...

http://www.hificablesdirect.com/5/Ixos--XHT658-HDMI-Cable.html?referrer=froogle


tech-guy???

I'm sorry but I wouldn't let you loose on a wind-up gramophone:p
#32
tech-guy
Not true. I have noticed on a few of these forums that people have the assumption that because the cable is transmitting a digital signal, that all it needs to do is create a connection, and the cable itself cannot make a difference. This is simply not true.

Although the tolerances are finer, you will still notice a difference in colour separation, colour depth and image sharpness when comparing a cheap standard cable with a more premium version. The misconception seems to be that the digital HDMI signal is either on or off - but this is not the case.

For example, the poorer quality the cable, the shorter distance the signal will be able to travel. This is because the signal degrades more quickly when being sent down an inferior quality cable, until it can no longer be received at the other end. The point to note here is that the signal 'degrades' - it doesn't just suddenly turn off, having worked to a consistently high standard.

If anyone would like me to go into more detail, I will gladly do so. But there IS a quality difference in HDMI cables.


[SIZE="3"]Yeah....difference in quality of the cable but makes no difference to the signal unless it's over 10 metres long !!! [/SIZE]
#33
tech-guy
Not true. I have noticed on a few of these forums that people have the assumption that because the cable is transmitting a digital signal, that all it needs to do is create a connection, and the cable itself cannot make a difference. This is simply not true.

Although the tolerances are finer, you will still notice a difference in colour separation, colour depth and image sharpness when comparing a cheap standard cable with a more premium version. The misconception seems to be that the digital HDMI signal is either on or off - but this is not the case.


If anyone would like me to go into more detail, I will gladly do so.


Can you point to a cable manufacturer who's making such bold claims?

Irrespective of how the signal is passed along the lengh of the cable, what ultimately happens is an attempt to reconstitute the original bitstream. The first sign of failure to accurately do this is digital dropout. Difference in colour separation, colour depth and image sharpness are not possible. If the cable works then the image is as good as it's ever going to be.
banned 1 Like #34
I like how everybody rubbishes The Gadget Show but seem to hold the likes of What HiFi/What Vide/Whatever in such high regard. These publications make their bread and butter on advertising, a great deal of which comes from cable manufacturers, do you really believe they're going to side with the "expensive digital cables don't make a difference" brigade? Of course not,.

I've read a fair bit of conflicting "expert" information from either side of the debate and quite simply the science behind digital signals weighs in favour of the cheap cable gang. The media's job is simply to transport the data bitstream of 1s and 0s, a cheap cable can handle this just as well as an expensive one as long as that cable is well made which looking at some of the cheap ones I have, they seem to be.

I can;t remember figures off the top of my head but to be HDMI compliant the tolerance of the cable and the data error rate has to be at a minimum, this minimum is so ridiculously low as to not even be worthy of existing as a number.

A main comparison is Cat5/6 cabling. You can buy decent quality (in terms of build) cabling for pennies a metre in drum form. Corporations rely on this cabling for their businesses, they don't mess around yet they can rely on this because the standard for Cat cabling certification is such that the accepted data drop is so negligible that the degradation to signal over a 100m run is next to zero.

So the question you have to answer is if the expensive cabling worth it for digital on a 1,2,5 or even 10m cable if cheap ethernet cabling can do 100m runs with no loss. The only thing that affects the Cat cables are poor cable termination/connectors - FEXT/NEXT etc

What actually happens to the image of your Blu-Ray for example if the accepted drop in data was to occur (1 bit in a million is it?), the answer is nothing. It can;t affect the quality of the image like analogue cables did, digital doesn't work like that. You're likely to perhaps notice a pixel defect or even a little artifacting, If you did notice this happening frequently then you'd certainly replace the cable, as it was cheap in the first place the cost is minimal (you could buy a fair few cheap cables for the price of say a Monster one).

I've seen many requests for the "experts" at What HiFi etc to come and do blind tests in shops, as far as I know I've never seen the results of a true blind test published in any format - paper or online by one of these experts. I'd even go s far as to invite TechGuy round to my house to do a blind test if he wants to bring an expensive cable and I'd put a generous wager on the outcome.

Saying all that the cost of this cable isn't too bad for a "well-made" cable if you want that reassurance, it certainly beats some of the examples I see with 5* reviews.
#35
cheapskate58
tech-guy???

I'm sorry but I wouldn't let you loose on a wind-up gramophone:p


I lol'd. :thumbsup:
#36
master_chief
I like how everybody rubbishes The Gadget Show but seem to hold the likes of What HiFi/What Vide/Whatever in such high regard. These publications make their bread and butter on advertising, a great deal of which comes from cable manufacturers, do you really believe they're going to side with the "expensive digital cables don't make a difference" brigade? Of course not,.

I've read a fair bit of conflicting "expert" information from either side of the debate and quite simply the science behind digital signals weighs in favour of the cheap cable gang. The media's job is simply to transport the data bitstream of 1s and 0s, a cheap cable can handle this just as well as an expensive one as long as that cable is well made which looking at some of the cheap ones I have, they seem to be.

I can;t remember figures off the top of my head but to be HDMI compliant the tolerance of the cable and the data error rate has to be at a minimum, this minimum is so ridiculously low as to not even be worthy of existing as a number.

A main comparison is Cat5/6 cabling. You can buy decent quality (in terms of build) cabling for pennies a metre in drum form. Corporations rely on this cabling for their businesses, they don't mess around yet they can rely on this because the standard for Cat cabling certification is such that the accepted data drop is so negligible that the degradation to signal over a 100m run is next to zero.

So the question you have to answer is if the expensive cabling worth it for digital on a 1,2,5 or even 10m cable if cheap ethernet cabling can do 100m runs with no loss. The only thing that affects the Cat cables are poor cable termination/connectors - FEXT/NEXT etc

What actually happens to the image of your Blu-Ray for example if the accepted drop in data was to occur (1 bit in a million is it?), the answer is nothing. It can;t affect the quality of the image like analogue cables did, digital doesn't work like that. You're likely to perhaps notice a pixel defect or even a little artifacting, If you did notice this happening frequently then you'd certainly replace the cable, as it was cheap in the first place the cost is minimal (you could buy a fair few cheap cables for the price of say a Monster one).

I've seen many requests for the "experts" at What HiFi etc to come and do blind tests in shops, as far as I know I've never seen the results of a true blind test published in any format - paper or online by one of these experts. I'd even go s far as to invite TechGuy round to my house to do a blind test if he wants to bring an expensive cable and I'd put a generous wager on the outcome.

Saying all that the cost of this cable isn't too bad for a "well-made" cable if you want that reassurance, it certainly beats some of the examples I see with 5* reviews.


Someone with eyes and a brain at last. :thumbsup:
#37
tech-guy
The last time I checked this was about an HDMI cable. Or do all cables look the same to you?

Let's try to compare apples with apples shall we?


Well, that comment was taken out of context. Still, I would expect no less from someone who uses apples to count.

Brrrrrrr!!! It's freezing in here!
#38
master_chief

I've seen many requests for the "experts" at What HiFi etc to come and do blind tests in shops, as far as I know I've never seen the results of a true blind test published in any format - paper or online by one of these experts. I'd even go s far as to invite TechGuy round to my house to do a blind test if he wants to bring an expensive cable and I'd put a generous wager on the outcome.

:thumbsup:
gizmodo did some tests
Part 1

Part2

Part 3

The outcome was
gizmodo

For the love of God, what does it all mean???
I have to say I for one have learned a few things with all of this testing, and I hope you have too. The way I see it:

• It never pays to buy a Monster cable first. It doesn't even make sense to buy the "marked down" $50 cable you can buy if you don't want Monster. Go online, order your cables, and wait.

• Even if you're going for the long haul, try a cheaper cable from a reliable vendor first. Monoprice isn't the only one. During this process I've spoken with good people at FireFold, DataPro International, and others, and tested an assortment of discount products, with no noticeable problems. I am confident that, if a vendor has a solid return policy and satisfaction guarantee, you should feel free to buy even a super-long cable from a discount house. In the case of my 50-footer noise, a quick return would have been all that was required.

• Monster has a point about future-proofing. I have no doubt, given our testing, that Monster cables can outperform other cables in video formats that are not yet in use. What does this mean for a consumer? Does it make sense to spend $300 now on a 50-foot cable, assuming you will spend thousands to upgrade all of your video equipment around it in the next few years? Logic dictates that the answer is no.

• The only people who should buy Monster cable are people who light cigars with Benjamins. Fortunately for Monster, there are plenty of those people. They're not even suckers, they are just rich as hell, and want the best. This testing did not prove that Monster is not the best. It just proved that the best is, for the most part, unnecessary.
#39
This is one of the most extensive tests I've seen on hdmi quality:

http://www.audioholics.com/education/cables/long-hdmi-cable-bench-tests/evaluation-conclusion

At lengths less than 4 meters you can just about use silly string (OK, not really) and get HDMI to pass at any current resolution. At less than 3 meters you'll even extend that to 12-bit color and possibly the next crazy idea HDMI Licensing decides to throw at consumers. Don't spend a lot on these cables and if you want to save money you won't let anyone at a big box store talk you into buying from them.


At just 2m this deal is clearly not worth the money.

John
banned#40
dreaddan
:thumbsup:
gizmodo did some tests
Part 1

Part2

Part 3

The outcome was


I want to see an advocator of expensive cables do a blind test. Gizmodo would have already most likely been cheap HDMI cable fans.

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