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HDMI Cable - 2m - lidl - £4.99

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Transmits digital video and audio signals from DVD player or satellite receiver to an LCD/Plasma TV
24 carat gold-plated plug and contact
Max. resolution: 1,080i

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#2
Great deal, cheers :)
#3
Don't be fooled by the expensive HDMI cables sold in retail stores like Currys and Comet - HDMI is a digital connection, so you either get a picture or you don't. The cable will not otherwise affect the picture quality.
This cable will give you an identical picture to the one Comet sell for £79.95, so it's a fantastic buy.
#4
Correct me if I'm wrong but shouldn't a HDMI cable be able to support at least 1080P.
#5
andysmith
Don't be fooled by the expensive HDMI cables sold in retail stores like Currys and Comet - HDMI is a digital connection, so you either get a picture or you don't. The cable will not otherwise affect the picture quality.
This cable will give you an identical picture to the one Comet sell for £79.95, so it's a fantastic buy.

Well not quite - identical - i've some testing and I think better shielding on the more expensive cables can give better picture - ie if you've spent 2k on a screen and got HD sources it might be worth spending the extra. I got a cheapo from sainsburys and def more artifacts when up real close than on award winning QED cable I have. Depends how piccy you are.

Just be aware this is just a HDMI 1.1 spec cable so cant do 1080p output. THose of you with shiny new PS3 and good Tv's capable of 1080p wont get the best image using this cable.

-- DB.
banned#6
bigdannyb


Just be aware this is just a HDMI 1.1 spec cable so cant do 1080p output. THose of you with shiny new PS3 and good Tv's capable of 1080p wont get the best image using this cable.

-- DB.


You'd need a magnifying glass and a 42+ inch screen to see any real difference
#7
bigdannyb
Well not quite - identical - i've some testing and I think better shielding on the more expensive cables can give better picture - ie if you've spent 2k on a screen and got HD sources it might be worth spending the extra. I got a cheapo from sainsburys and def more artifacts when up real close than on award winning QED cable I have. Depends how piccy you are.

Just be aware this is just a HDMI 1.1 spec cable so cant do 1080p output. THose of you with shiny new PS3 and good Tv's capable of 1080p wont get the best image using this cable.

-- DB.


you sound like you know your stuff

very intrestin i have a samsung tv with the following info

Broadcast format supported 1080i (HDTV), 720p (HDTV), 480p (EDTV), 480i (SDTV), 576p, 576i.
Broadcast format displayed 720p (HDTV), 480p (EDTV), 480i (SDTV).


would this cable be suitable for.

what is supprted and displayed whats the diff?


thanks
#8
N20Y1D
You'd need a magnifying glass and a 42+ inch screen to see any real difference

Amazingly a lot of people do seem to pay that much attention - just check out avforums ! My understanding is that even early HDMI should manage 1080p so I dont know why the cable only supports 1080i and you will notice the difference between 1080i and 1080p if you have a reasonable screen. THose people at the london launch of the PS3 will certainly notice the difference !!
#9
masterwai
you sound like you know your stuff

very intrestin i have a samsung tv with the following info

Broadcast format supported 1080i (HDTV), 720p (HDTV), 480p (EDTV), 480i (SDTV), 576p, 576i.
Broadcast format displayed 720p (HDTV), 480p (EDTV), 480i (SDTV).


would this cable be suitable for.

what is supprted and displayed whats the diff?


thanks

all it means is it can accept signals at 1080i but the TV will then resample it display it at 720p. YOu would be better off feeding the TV 720p signals so it can directly display these rather than it having to reprocess them.

It basically allows your TV to accept a large range of resolutions and reproduce them at resolution it can display.

-- this is where a lot of TV's labelled themselves as HD compatible as they can accept the signals but arent fully HD ready as it doesnt actually display them at full resolution. 720p is still a HD resolution however.
#10
katieandowen
Correct me if I'm wrong but shouldn't a HDMI cable be able to support at least 1080P.

It will. A lot of retailers and manufaturers mark the sales literature with statements such as 'supports 1080p/720p/etc', but really the cable doesn't affect that.
It's the same with USB cables - a lot of more expensive cables will try and justify the price with a big sticker saying 'USB 2 compatible', but in reality any USB cable is the same - whether it is declared USB 2 compatible or not.

bigdannyb
Well not quite - identical - i've some testing and I think better shielding on the more expensive cables can give better picture - ie if you've spent 2k on a screen and got HD sources it might be worth spending the extra. I got a cheapo from sainsburys and def more artifacts when up real close than on award winning QED cable I have. Depends how piccy you are.

Just be aware this is just a HDMI 1.1 spec cable so cant do 1080p output. THose of you with shiny new PS3 and good Tv's capable of 1080p wont get the best image using this cable.

-- DB.

Sorry, that's not true. All HDMI 1.x specs use the same cable.

As for artifacts, they are usually a sign of analogue picture interference (very common with cheap component cables), or compression on the source image. With DVI and HDMI, it's impossible for the picture to change in that manner. It's just 1s and 0s - if for some reason (i.e poor screening, damaged cable) part of the signal is missing or corrupted, you simply won't get a picture at all, or it'll be significantly damaged - i.e huge portions of the image missing.
banned#11
masterwai
you sound like you know your stuff

very intrestin i have a samsung tv with the following info

Broadcast format supported 1080i (HDTV), 720p (HDTV), 480p (EDTV), 480i (SDTV), 576p, 576i.
Broadcast format displayed 720p (HDTV), 480p (EDTV), 480i (SDTV).


would this cable be suitable for.

what is supprted and displayed whats the diff?


thanks



Do you have a ps3, 360, Sky HD, etc? ie another device with a "hdmi out" port? if not then its no use really as you'll have nothing to connect it to.
#12
andysmith
It will.


Sorry, that's not true. All HDMI 1.x specs use the same cable.

As for artifacts, they are usually a sign of analogue picture interference (very common with cheap component cables), or compression on the source image. With DVI and HDMI, it's impossible for the picture to change in that manner. It's just 1s and 0s - if for some reason (i.e poor screening, damaged cable) part of the signal is missing or corrupted, you simply won't get a picture at all, or it'll be significantly damaged.

Well I've tried swapping a cable and I did notice the difference. Practice always works over theory for me.
#13
bigdannyb
Well I've tried swapping a cable and I did notice the difference. Practice always works over theory for me.

Any difference you saw in the areas you mentioned must be purely psychological. See this link:
http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=ps3&message.id=828972
#14
andysmith
It will. A lot of retailers and manufaturers mark the sales literature with statements such as 'supports 1080p/720p/etc', but really the cable doesn't affect that.
It's the same with USB cables - a lot of more expensive cables will try and justify the price with a big sticker saying 'USB 2 compatible', but in reality any USB cable is the same - whether it is declared USB 2 compatible or not.


Sorry, that's not true. All HDMI 1.x specs use the same cable.

As for artifacts, they are usually a sign of analogue picture interference (very common with cheap component cables), or compression on the source image. With DVI and HDMI, it's impossible for the picture to change in that manner. It's just 1s and 0s - if for some reason (i.e poor screening, damaged cable) part of the signal is missing or corrupted, you simply won't get a picture at all, or it'll be significantly damaged - i.e huge portions of the image missing.


Not that I like to argue.....however... If as you say the cable is exactly the same per resolution, why would the manufacturer's claim: "Max. resolution: 1,080i" . If as you say, all the cables are the same then surely there is no maximum resolution....

Just a general observation btw.. I dont know much about cabling :thumbsup:
#15
andysmith
It will. A lot of retailers and manufaturers mark the sales literature with statements such as 'supports 1080p/720p/etc', but really the cable doesn't affect that.
It's the same with USB cables - a lot of more expensive cables will try and justify the price with a big sticker saying 'USB 2 compatible', but in reality any USB cable is the same - whether it is declared USB 2 compatible or not.


Sorry, that's not true. All HDMI 1.x specs use the same cable.

As for artifacts, they are usually a sign of analogue picture interference (very common with cheap component cables), or compression on the source image. With DVI and HDMI, it's impossible for the picture to change in that manner. It's just 1s and 0s - if for some reason (i.e poor screening, damaged cable) part of the signal is missing or corrupted, you simply won't get a picture at all, or it'll be significantly damaged - i.e huge portions of the image missing.


Q) Will all HDMI cables work support 1080p and deep color? How do I know if my cable can support these higher speeds?

A) The vast majority of image quality or interoperability issues with HDMI devices are related to the software used for device communication and content protection, and have nothing to do with the HDMI cable. In particular, these issues are often caused by the software related to HDCP handshaking, or from devices improperly handling the device capability information read through HDMI (e.g. the device has an incorrect EDID, or an inability to properly read an EDID). It is fairly uncommon for the cable to be the cause of HDMI compatibility problems, or for non-compliant cables to be found in the market. In fact, the robustness of the HDMI specification has been verified by the fact that we have not found a compliant HDMI cable that is the root cause of HDMI playback issues with compliant devices.

All HDMI cables are required to support, at minimum, a standard HDTV video signal (i.e. 720p or 1080i) by virtue of being tested to verify that they meet the HDMI spec requirements. This is referred to as a Category 1 test. More recently, the HDMI Authorized Testing Centers (ATCs) have added equipment to be able to test the cable’s ability to support 1080p (which is 2x the 720p/1080i video rates) and higher rates up to the maximum HDMI speeds. These higher speeds are called Category 2. Since 1080p and deep color are becoming more common market requirements, we are seeing cable manufacturers wanting to have their cables verified with this Category 2 high speed test instead of the Category 1 test so that they can market their cables as being 1080p verified. Simplay Labs is another HDMI testing service that has been performing this high speed cable test for over a year, and some cable makers are putting the Simplay HD logo on their HDMI cables as a way to convey this level of quality.

-- Not all cables meet the standards required for HDMI 1.3 - the above link is from HDMI.org - they know about HDMI. Indeed as it says a CAT1 tested HDMI cable doesnt have to output 1080p - just as this cable doesnt
#16
HDMI 1.3 uses a much higher bandwith which a lot of cable wont support - especially the cheap ones. They are still genuine HDMI CAT1 cables but dont offfer the same bandwith - bandwith = bit rate = image quality.

As it says above CAT2 cables are TWICE the video rates of CAT1 requirements so I would imagine that could make a difference to image quality?
#17
djglenn1337
Not that I like to argue.....however... If as you say the cable is exactly the same per resolution, why would the manufacturer's claim: "Max. resolution: 1,080i" . If as you say, all the cables are the same then surely there is no maximum resolution....

Just a general observation btw.. I dont know much about cabling :thumbsup:

It's a false claim - either done intentionally so they can sell you a more expensive cable that's 'compatible' with 1080p, or written by someone who doesn't know what they're talking about (i.e a marketing department or retailer).
I think a lot of the time it's done to make something easier for consumers - if they read that their shiny new HD device can support 720p/1080i/1080p, they can easily look for a cable that will allow them to use those resolutions.
1 Like #18
bigdannyb
Well not quite - identical - i've some testing and I think better shielding on the more expensive cables can give better picture - ie if you've spent 2k on a screen and got HD sources it might be worth spending the extra. I got a cheapo from sainsburys and def more artifacts when up real close than on award winning QED cable I have. Depends how piccy you are.

Just be aware this is just a HDMI 1.1 spec cable so cant do 1080p output. THose of you with shiny new PS3 and good Tv's capable of 1080p wont get the best image using this cable.

-- DB.


Absolute Rubbish!

Yet again someone who knows nothing about HDMI and cables in general.
This has been discussed elsewhere on the forums.

The important factor with these cables is the ability to transfer at the minimum HDMI frequency, which is 75hz (1080i or lower). This is called Cat 1 spec. Cat 2 spec is for the 60hz 1080p and being quite new, not all cable manufacturers have had their cables tested as yet (so they can't display the logo). However on the HDMI org website, it has been noted that most cables out there will support this standard.

Dont' buy expensive as it will make no difference. Its 1's and 0's being passed along a cable! Only cable length could affect the quality and if this was the case, then you'd not see a picture at the other end.

http://www.hdmi.org/about/faq.asp#1080p
#19
andysmith
It's a false claim - either done intentionally so they can sell you a more expensive cable that's 'compatible' with 1080p, or written by someone who doesn't know what they're talking about (i.e a marketing department or retailer).
I think a lot of the time it's done to make something easier for consumers - if they read that their shiny new HD device can support 720p/1080i/1080p, they can easily look for a cable that will allow them to use those resolutions.

Read the info above - from HDMI.org (the creator of the HDMI standards!) and you'll realise your wrong cables dont have to be able to produce 1080p to be HDMI.
#20
pelfed
Absolute Rubbish!

Yet again someone who knows nothing about HDMI and cables in general.
This has been discussed elsewhere on the forums.

The important factor with these cables is the ability to transfer at the minimum HDMI frequency, which is 75hz (1080i or lower). This is called Cat 1 spec. Cat 2 spec is for the 60hz 1080p and being quite new, not all cable manufacturers have had their cables tested as yet (so they can't display the logo). However on the HDMI org website, it has been noted that most cables out there will support this standard.

Dont' buy expensive as it will make no difference. Its 1's and 0's being passed along a cable! Only cable length could affect the quality and if this was the case, then you'd not see a picture at the other end.

http://www.hdmi.org/about/faq.asp#1080p


Thats where my quote came from - this cable tells you though its maximum res is 1080i so is worth spending the extra if you have screen capable of 1080p. To say no cable more expensive than this could give you a better picture is rubbish.
#21
bigdannyb
HDMI 1.3 uses a much higher bandwith which a lot of cable wont support - especially the cheap ones. They are still genuine HDMI CAT1 cables but dont offfer the same bandwith - bandwith = bit rate = image quality.

As it says above CAT2 cables are TWICE the video rates of CAT1 requirements so I would imagine that could make a difference to image quality?

In that case, you simply won't get a picture.

In most situations, bandwith = picture quality (i.e digital video encoding), but HDMI is not a two-way protocol. The device outputting the signal doesn't know whether the cable can handle the required bandwidth, so it'll just keep on outputting the same signal it would to any other cable.
There's no way it can guage the quality of the cable beforehand, and then degrade the picture quality to suit. If the cable can't 'keep up', you won't get a picture.
#22
andysmith
In that case, you simply won't get a picture.

In most situations, bandwith = picture quality (i.e digital video encoding), but HDMI is not a two-way protocol. The device outputting the signal doesn't know whether the cable can handle the required bandwidth, so it'll just keep on outputting the same signal it would to any other cable.
There's no way it can guage the quality of the cable beforehand, and then degrade the picture quality to suit. If the cable can't 'keep up', you won't get a picture.

Yes but my point was there is a very good reason to not buy this cable - if you want 1080p its worth buying another possibly more expensive cable that supports it.

This will not give you as good as picture as any outthere cos it cant do 1080p. So def wont support the features of HDMI 1.3 Deep colour etc which the PS3 is capable of outputting.
#23
bigdannyb
Yes but my point was there is a very good reason to not buy this cable - if you want 1080p its worth buying another possibly more expensive cable that supports it.

If you want 1080p, buy it. Plug in your device, set it to 1080p and see if you get a picture. If you get a picture, the cable works.

I am 100% certain this will work perfectly well with 1080p.
#24
bigdannyb
Thats where my quote came from - this cable tells you though its maximum res is 1080i so is worth spending the extra if you have screen capable of 1080p. To say no cable more expensive than this could give you a better picture is rubbish.


No, no, no - read it properly!

This cable just hasn't been given to HDMI org for testing, so the logo for 1080p cannot be displayed.

THIS CABLE WILL MORE THAN LIKELY support 1080p - infact I suspect that there won't be a cable that won't support it. (not unless they are using concrete as the conductor)
#25
andysmith
If you want 1080p, buy it. Plug in your device, set it to 1080p and see if you get a picture. If you get a picture, the cable works.

I am 100% certain this will work perfectly well with 1080p.

Amazing - you are confident but the manufactorer states it isnt ?! They arent gonna go out of their way to say it doesnt do something when it does. I accept they may not have had it tested so cant display the logo but why would they state it cant.
1 Like #26
bigdannyb
Amazing - you are confident but the manufactorer states it isnt ?! They arent gonna go out of their way to say it doesnt do something when it does. I accept they may not have had it tested so cant display the logo but why would they state it cant.


Actually they DON'T say that it can't support 1080p - they just don't mention it! (plus they wouldn't be allowed to until tested)

I suspect its an oldish cable and came out before the new standards! Thus it has only been tested to CAT1.

Think you have a problem with reading....
#27
andysmith
In that case, you simply won't get a picture.

In most situations, bandwith = picture quality (i.e digital video encoding), but HDMI is not a two-way protocol. The device outputting the signal doesn't know whether the cable can handle the required bandwidth, so it'll just keep on outputting the same signal it would to any other cable.
There's no way it can guage the quality of the cable beforehand, and then degrade the picture quality to suit. If the cable can't 'keep up', you won't get a picture.

HDMI is a two-way protocol. Observe, from HDMI.org.

"Intelligence: HDMI supports two-way communication between the video source (such as a DVD player) and the DTV, enabling new functionality such as automatic configuration and one-touch play. "

How else would your video device be able to handshake with your display to determine maximum displayable resolution?
#28
pelfed
Actually they DON'T say that it can't support 1080p - they just don't mention it! (plus they wouldn't be allowed to until tested)

I suspect its an oldish cable and came out before the new standards! Thus it has only been tested to CAT1.

Think you have a problem with reading....

MAX resolution is 1080i - that means it cant do 1080p - surely ? Or am I reading it wrong.
#29
bigdannyb
Amazing - you are confident but the manufactorer states it isnt ?! They arent gonna go out of their way to say it doesnt do something when it does. I accept they may not have had it tested so cant display the logo but why would they state it cant.

Like I said - it'll have been written by someone who doesn't know what they're talking about.
Most of the electrical products LIDL/ALDI sell are repackaged German imports, so the translation isn't always the best.
#30
On the German Lidl site there are further details -

Automatic computer translation from German -

24 carat gilded plugs and contacts
Individually shielded data lines and reciprocally ferrite cores for the screen of disturbances
For a maximum dissolution of 1.080i
Poured plugs with strain relief
OFC 99.97%
HDMI Association certifies
Length: approx. 2 m
3 years manufacturer warranty
#31
thekanester
HDMI is a two-way protocol. Observe, from HDMI.org.

"Intelligence: HDMI supports two-way communication between the video source (such as a DVD player) and the DTV, enabling new functionality such as automatic configuration and one-touch play. "

How else would your video device be able to handshake with your display to determine maximum displayable resolution?

Sorry, I should have been more clear - I meant two-way in the sense of error correction and data checksumming.
#32
I bought one of these from Lidl about 3-4 months ago. It gives excellent results.
#33
Some really good arguements going on here ..but at the end of the day, the cable is £4.99 which is uber cheap. So I guess either buy it, see what its like ...and go from there :-)
#34
andysmith
Sorry, I should have been more clear - I meant two-way in the sense of error correction and data checksumming.

Indeed.
#35
lkl265
I bought one of these from Lidl about 3-4 months ago. It gives excellent results.

Not denying it may well give good results but will it give 1080p. I think I could translate max resolution 1080i without error and I dont speak german.

Oh and yes good price - but if your TV does 1080p I think you'd be silly to buy a product that states it doesnt support it.
#36
bigdannyb
Not denying it may well give good results but will it give 1080p. I think I could translate max resolution 1080i without error and I dont speak german.

Oh and yes good price - but if your TV does 1080p I think you'd be silly to buy a product that states it doesnt support it.

bigdannyb

Do you have any device that outputs in 1080p + a display that accepts 1080p? If not, then surely it's a moot subject.

90% of people with HD displays can only accept 1080i and even then these downscale to native res.

I would imagine that if you can afford a 1080p player + good, 1080p screen then spending £20 on a certified 1080p cable wouldn't be too much of a stretch.

However, if you bought this cable and it doesn't work on 1080p, then you can always take it back. I think it's unlikely that the Lidl staff will ask if you're using it on a 1080p TV...
#37
bigdannyb
Not denying it may well give good results but will it give 1080p. I think I could translate max resolution 1080i without error and I dont speak german.

Oh and yes good price - but if your TV does 1080p I think you'd be silly to buy a product that states it doesnt support it.

Do you really think the guy who writes for the LIDL website has an indepth knowledge of cable specifications?

HDMI, in its simplest form, is DVI video and coaxial digital audio combined. I've used cheap DVI cables to connect displays using resolutions that far exceed the 1080p HDTV standard.

Is it really worth spending another £30-100 straight off incase this cable doesn't officially support 1080p? I'd much rather spend just a fiver and try it out.
#38
If it doesn't work, you could always sell the cable on ebay for a profit!
#39
N20Y1D
Do you have a ps3, 360, Sky HD, etc? ie another device with a "hdmi out" port? if not then its no use really as you'll have nothing to connect it to.



yes i have a ps3 waiting to be connected. you have any recommendation?

thanks
#40
thekanester
bigdannyb

Do you have any device that outputs in 1080p + a display that accepts 1080p? If not, then surely it's a moot subject.

90% of people with HD displays can only accept 1080i and even then these downscale to native res.

I would imagine that if you can afford a 1080p player + good, 1080p screen then spending £20 on a certified 1080p cable wouldn't be too much of a stretch.

However, if you bought this cable and it doesn't work on 1080p, then you can always take it back. I think it's unlikely that the Lidl staff will ask if you're using it on a 1080p TV...

Yeah I just raised it as a point that to say this cable is as good as any isnt true. So I raised the point so some less knowledgeble people that this cable aint gonna give you the best visuals. For those out there with nice 1080p capable kit it is worth spending extra.

Maybe its just me I like to buy something I know is gonna work - cant be bothered taking stuff back.

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