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HP Omen Intel i5-6400, 8GB RAM, 1TB, 128GB SSD, AMD 380 GFX Desktop Gaming PC - £629.95 @ John Lewis (Free 2yr Guarantee)

£629.95 @ John Lewis
I'm probably gonna get some slack for this deal because its not building your own, but for £629 you can't really go wrong with an entry level gaming PC. The SSD is a real nice bonus for this price ran… Read More
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1w, 5d agoFound 1 week, 5 days ago
I'm probably gonna get some slack for this deal because its not building your own, but for £629 you can't really go wrong with an entry level gaming PC.
The SSD is a real nice bonus for this price range. 2 Year guarantee included too.

I'm thinking strip out the 380 and install either a 1060 or 1070? Wouldn't be that much more if you sell the 380, plus a PSU of 500W should handle it. Doing this would set up a sweet VR or 1440p machine.
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#1
i5's are a waste of money now, you can get better for cheaper.
2 Likes #2
ritchiedrama
i5's are a waste of money now, you can get better for cheaper.

Well no, just no. You might be able to get a newer i5 for cheaper in a pre-built but you won't get better than a i5 for cheaper anywhere.
#3
For that money, I'd want something that could run VR out of the box.
1 Like #4
Jonnyblock
For that money, I'd want something that could run VR out of the box.

It's very close to minimum specs and people have said it runs okay even though its just below min. I do reckon however you could maybe spend £70 more, sell the 380 for £130 and buy a 1060 for £200, and suddenly you're way above min spec for only £700, which is cheaper than most other VR ready pre built desktops
23 Likes #5
Great, I'm after an American style fridge freezer.........oh wait, its a PC? :(
2 Likes #6
Would make a savage looking fridge!
#7
Oh it looks great visually... But spec wise it's dead
2 Likes #8
EagleUK
Well no, just no. You might be able to get a newer i5 for cheaper in a pre-built but you won't get better than a i5 for cheaper anywhere.


Lol, you are clearly very poorly informed about technology.

A prime example:

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/7WQktJ

£456 without a GPU, and when GPU prices are back to normal, you have a machine thats a lot better, for the same money.

Edited By: ritchiedrama on Jul 15, 2017 16:54: Jul 15, 2017 16:54
#9
An RX 480 would make it a hot deal
#10
theworldofgames
It's very close to minimum specs and people have said it runs okay even though its just below min. I do reckon however you could maybe spend £70 more, sell the 380 for £130 and buy a 1060 for £200, and suddenly you're way above min spec for only £700, which is cheaper than most other VR ready pre built desktops
No 1060s for 200 quid in current market
#11
ritchiedrama
EagleUK
ritchiedrama
i5's are a waste of money now, you can get better for cheaper.
Well no, just no. You might be able to get a newer i5 for cheaper in a pre-built but you won't get better than a i5 for cheaper anywhere.
Lol, you are clearly very poorly informed about technology.

I don't understand why you can take that opinion, why is an i5 like the i5-7600K a waste of money and where can I get the performance cheaper?
#12
Looks like an american style freezer
1 Like #13
EagleUK
ritchiedrama
EagleUK
ritchiedrama
i5's are a waste of money now, you can get better for cheaper.
Well no, just no. You might be able to get a newer i5 for cheaper in a pre-built but you won't get better than a i5 for cheaper anywhere.
Lol, you are clearly very poorly informed about technology.
I don't understand why you can take that opinion, why is an i5 like the i5-7600K a waste of money and where can I get the performance cheaper?


The i5 line-up is dead, 4cores 4threads for over £215 for the 7600k

Ryzen 1600 - with a cooler on Amazon - £188.99 - 6 cores, 12 threads.
1 Like #14
When I can get something like this for £300 I'll bite, until then I'll stick to my laptop
1 Like #15
ritchiedrama
Lol, you are clearly very poorly informed about technology. A prime example:https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/7WQktJ£456 without a GPU, and when GPU prices are back to normal, you have a machine thats a lot better, for the same money.

And without an O/S, keyboard/mouse, Wifi etc.
#16
ritchiedrama
The i5 line-up is dead, 4cores 4threads for over £215 for the 7600kRyzen 1600 - with a cooler on Amazon - £188.99 - 6 cores, 12 threads.

For software that scales well sure but the i5 will dominate the Ryzen for all the software that only scales to 2 to 4 cores especially the K version which over-clocks.
#17
ritchiedrama
EagleUK
ritchiedrama
EagleUK
ritchiedrama
i5's are a waste of money now, you can get better for cheaper.
Well no, just no. You might be able to get a newer i5 for cheaper in a pre-built but you won't get better than a i5 for cheaper anywhere.
Lol, you are clearly very poorly informed about technology.
I don't understand why you can take that opinion, why is an i5 like the i5-7600K a waste of money and where can I get the performance cheaper?
The i5 line-up is dead, 4cores 4threads for over £215 for the 7600k
Ryzen 1600 - with a cooler on Amazon - £188.99 - 6 cores, 12 threads.

Changed your tune I see. Well done.
#18
The_Hoff
ritchiedrama
EagleUK
ritchiedrama
EagleUK
ritchiedrama
i5's are a waste of money now, you can get better for cheaper.
Well no, just no. You might be able to get a newer i5 for cheaper in a pre-built but you won't get better than a i5 for cheaper anywhere.
Lol, you are clearly very poorly informed about technology.
I don't understand why you can take that opinion, why is an i5 like the i5-7600K a waste of money and where can I get the performance cheaper?
The i5 line-up is dead, 4cores 4threads for over £215 for the 7600k
Ryzen 1600 - with a cooler on Amazon - £188.99 - 6 cores, 12 threads.
Changed your tune I see. Well done.


What? I've always said this.

The only thing I will defend is the i7's.
#19
Agharta
ritchiedrama
The i5 line-up is dead, 4cores 4threads for over £215 for the 7600kRyzen 1600 - with a cooler on Amazon - £188.99 - 6 cores, 12 threads.

For software that scales well sure but the i5 will dominate the Ryzen for all the software that only scales to 2 to 4 cores especially the K version which over-clocks.


Yes because clearly someone would buy this for 'software'

The i5 is dead. i7 and ryzen is the only things left worth purchasing.
1 Like #20
ritchiedrama
EagleUK
ritchiedrama
EagleUK
ritchiedrama
i5's are a waste of money now, you can get better for cheaper.
Well no, just no. You might be able to get a newer i5 for cheaper in a pre-built but you won't get better than a i5 for cheaper anywhere.
Lol, you are clearly very poorly informed about technology.
I don't understand why you can take that opinion, why is an i5 like the i5-7600K a waste of money and where can I get the performance cheaper?
The i5 line-up is dead, 4cores 4threads for over £215 for the 7600k
Ryzen 1600 - with a cooler on Amazon - £188.99 - 6 cores, 12 threads.

The majority of games out there do not have multi-thread support. Yes the OS will sometimes spread the load over cores, but that is not the same thing. And you cant say that life will be better when we can buy video cards after the digi-coin mining ends because - it may never end.

If you only buy for the future then perhaps (currently) going the AMD path is better, but the future is never here.
Personally I buy what is best at the moment, but buying on thread count and cpu speed are both bad things to do.

The i5-6400 is a bit old, the 128gb SSD is a bit small, Personally I would be tempted to look closely at what your wanting to play, how does it do in benchmarks with this type of setup, and throw that at the offer to see what you think.

The system build cost listed earlier did not include a video card, operating system, optical drive, case (and power supply), card reader (the deal has it, if that matters), and a wireless network card (a gamer would NOT use wireless, but again meh, if it matters). So the parts listed earlier would need at least another £300 to get a pc with the same type of components as the one listed in the deal.
#21
xyhz123456
ritchiedrama
EagleUK
ritchiedrama
EagleUK
ritchiedrama
i5's are a waste of money now, you can get better for cheaper.
Well no, just no. You might be able to get a newer i5 for cheaper in a pre-built but you won't get better than a i5 for cheaper anywhere.
Lol, you are clearly very poorly informed about technology.
I don't understand why you can take that opinion, why is an i5 like the i5-7600K a waste of money and where can I get the performance cheaper?
The i5 line-up is dead, 4cores 4threads for over £215 for the 7600k
Ryzen 1600 - with a cooler on Amazon - £188.99 - 6 cores, 12 threads.
The majority of games out there do not have multi-thread support. Yes the OS will sometimes spread the load over cores, but that is not the same thing. And you cant say that life will be better when we can buy video cards after the digi-coin mining ends because - it may never end.
If you only buy for the future then perhaps (currently) going the AMD path is better, but the future is never here.
Personally I buy what is best at the moment, but buying on thread count and cpu speed are both bad things to do.
The i5-6400 is a bit old, the 128gb SSD is a bit small, Personally I would be tempted to look closely at what your wanting to play, how does it do in benchmarks with this type of setup, and throw that at the offer to see what you think.
The system build cost listed earlier did not include a video card, operating system, optical drive, case (and power supply), card reader (the deal has it, if that matters), and a wireless network card (a gamer would NOT use wireless, but again meh, if it matters). So the parts listed earlier would need at least another £300 to get a pc with the same type of components as the one listed in the deal.


Your post is honestly quite awkward.

You effectively agreed with me, but then listed - OS, optical drive, a card reader, and then said I didn't include a case, or a power supply when I did? Also mentioning that the build I put doesn't have a GPU, why bother? I said that myself, stop being an idiot. Buying an i5 when you can get a 4core 8 thread ryzen for cheaper.. its nonsensical.

Are you blind? Plenty of games have multi-thread support and the evidence for that is overwhelming so you have no idea what you're talking about.

I bought a 1060 6GB for 212quid, can still get them for 230-240 so its not "breaking the bank" still, and can still fit into a build.

I just don't even see the point of your post.
#22
Dekard97
An RX 480 would make it a hot deal

That won't happen due to massively inflated prices because of mining.
#23
ritchiedrama
Yes because clearly someone would buy this for 'software'The i5 is dead. i7 and ryzen is the only things left worth purchasing.

A CPU without software is less useful than a handful of sand. You seem ignorant of how to choose a CPU, you buy the right one for the software you run and for your budget. Ryzen is generally a good option but not if your workload doesn't scale well beyond 4 cores like certain games.
1 Like #24
Agharta
A CPU without software is less useful than a handful of sand. You seem ignorant of how to choose a CPU, you buy the right one for the software you run and for your budget. Ryzen is generally a good option but not if your workload doesn't scale well beyond 4 cores like certain games.


Yep, I'm the ignorant one.

But sure, go ahead and buy an i5 yourself, or recommend it to others. Lol.

1. OP clearly was talking this machine as a gamer.
2. 99% of older games are fine on Ryzen now and have had updates.
3. i5's have absolutely ZERO future, and buying one now would be extremely stupid.
3 Likes #25
ritchiedrama
Agharta
ritchiedrama
Yes because clearly someone would buy this for 'software'The i5 is dead. i7 and ryzen is the only things left worth purchasing.
A CPU without software is less useful than a handful of sand. You seem ignorant of how to choose a CPU, you buy the right one for the software you run and for your budget. Ryzen is generally a good option but not if your workload doesn't scale well beyond 4 cores like certain games.

Yep, I'm the ignorant one.

But sure, go ahead and buy an i5 yourself, or recommend it to others. Lol.

1. OP clearly was talking this machine as a gamer.
2. 99% of older games are fine on Ryzen now and have had updates.
3. i5's have absolutely ZERO future, and buying one now would be extremely stupid.



Need to cut down on those roids mate; coming across as a bit of a **** in this thread
#26
ritchiedrama
Yep, I'm the ignorant one.But sure, go ahead and buy an i5 yourself, or recommend it to others. Lol.1. OP clearly was talking this machine as a gamer.2. 99% of older games are fine on Ryzen now and have had updates.3. i5's have absolutely ZERO future, and buying one now would be extremely stupid.
You don't buy an i5 for the "future" you buy it to use now
#27
ritchiedrama
i5's have absolutely ZERO future, and buying one now would be extremely stupid.

Because all that software that only uses up to 4 cores is magically going to disappear all of a sudden. There's ZERO chance of that.
#28
TheOak
ritchiedrama
Agharta
ritchiedrama
Yes because clearly someone would buy this for 'software'The i5 is dead. i7 and ryzen is the only things left worth purchasing.
A CPU without software is less useful than a handful of sand. You seem ignorant of how to choose a CPU, you buy the right one for the software you run and for your budget. Ryzen is generally a good option but not if your workload doesn't scale well beyond 4 cores like certain games.
Yep, I'm the ignorant one.
But sure, go ahead and buy an i5 yourself, or recommend it to others. Lol.
1. OP clearly was talking this machine as a gamer.
2. 99% of older games are fine on Ryzen now and have had updates.
3. i5's have absolutely ZERO future, and buying one now would be extremely stupid.
Need to cut down on those roids mate; coming across as a bit of a **** in this thread

Lol.


Rich44
ritchiedrama
Yep, I'm the ignorant one.But sure, go ahead and buy an i5 yourself, or recommend it to others. Lol.1. OP clearly was talking this machine as a gamer.2. 99% of older games are fine on Ryzen now and have had updates.3. i5's have absolutely ZERO future, and buying one now would be extremely stupid.
You don't buy an i5 for the "future" you buy it to use now

Buying an i5 now is stupid, period. No more discussion about that.


Agharta
ritchiedrama
i5's have absolutely ZERO future, and buying one now would be extremely stupid.
Because all that software that only uses up to 4 cores is magically going to disappear all of a sudden. There's ZERO chance of that.

You keep talking about this magical software, and you also keep talking as if Ryzen can't perform in the IPC department, just stop talking you're out of your depth you don't understand a thing about computer components as displayed in this thread.
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Why do all these posts result in bickering like schoolchildren? No wonder pc gamers have poor stereotype images when stuff like this goes on. It's quite frankly pathetic
1 Like #30
BuckRodgers666
Why do all these posts result in bickering like schoolchildren? No wonder pc gamers have poor stereotype images when stuff like this goes on. It's quite frankly pathetic


It is because someone like ritchiedrama will always come along and spout opinionated garbage, instead of calmly and reasonably discussing facts. Ryzen does have it's place, but it has not made the i5 obsolete. I make my living using an i5 for about 10 hours per day. Ryzen would be extremely inefficient for my usage.
1 Like #31
ritchiedrama
Lol.Buying an i5 now is stupid, period. No more discussion about that.

Are you a Trump supporter? How dare I disagree with you, I suppose all those reviews were fake news!
Ryzen is a great series of CPUs but it is still weaker than Intel's in many ways except for value for money.
#32
My sons just bought this and set it up today! Super fast and super slick looking.
#33
MarkMacIver
theworldofgames
It's very close to minimum specs and people have said it runs okay even though its just below min. I do reckon however you could maybe spend £70 more, sell the 380 for £130 and buy a 1060 for £200, and suddenly you're way above min spec for only £700, which is cheaper than most other VR ready pre built desktops
No 1060s for 200 quid in current market

Amazon it. There are 1060 3GB versions for £190 and 1060 6GB versions for £220. They are coming down
#34
ritchiedrama
i5's are a waste of money now, you can get better for cheaper.
lol
#35
Dougaldog
My sons just bought this and set it up today! Super fast and super slick looking.

I got one for my girlfriend as her first gaming PC and she's loving it too. Gonna upgrade it to a 1070 though as soon as I can. It's great for games like Planet Coaster and more right now.

For the record, I use my own built PC and I love it too. Chose the easy route for this one just because it saves time for someone who doesn't want to play the most incredibly graphic-intensive games (like Cities skylines, planet coaster, rocket league etc)
#36
bytemaster
BuckRodgers666
Why do all these posts result in bickering like schoolchildren? No wonder pc gamers have poor stereotype images when stuff like this goes on. It's quite frankly pathetic
It is because someone like ritchiedrama will always come along and spout opinionated garbage, instead of calmly and reasonably discussing facts. Ryzen does have it's place, but it has not made the i5 obsolete. I make my living using an i5 for about 10 hours per day. Ryzen would be extremely inefficient for my usage.

If you make your living off an i5, you'd just buy an i7 - you won't find anyone worth their salt saying anything other than the i5 is obsolete now.


theworldofgames
MarkMacIver
theworldofgames
It's very close to minimum specs and people have said it runs okay even though its just below min. I do reckon however you could maybe spend £70 more, sell the 380 for £130 and buy a 1060 for £200, and suddenly you're way above min spec for only £700, which is cheaper than most other VR ready pre built desktops
No 1060s for 200 quid in current market
Amazon it. There are 1060 3GB versions for £190 and 1060 6GB versions for £220. They are coming down

There are no brand new 1060 6 gb's on amazon for 220.



Btw, it's funny how the people thinking i5's are still okay money to buy, are the ones who have them, or seem to, at least. :)
#37
ritchiedrama
i5's are a waste of money now, you can get better for cheaper.
omg you again!!!
#38
Salt has very little value nowadays, back in Roman times maybe, but not now. So I would tend to agree that the opinion that the i5 is obsolete is almost valueless.
#39
fishmaster
That won't happen due to massively inflated prices because of mining.
Yeah I've heard that prices are pretty stupid for the 480. GTX 1070 would suffice
#40
BuckRodgers666
Why do all these posts result in bickering like schoolchildren? No wonder pc gamers have poor stereotype images when stuff like this goes on. It's quite frankly pathetic
Because it's always the same people (or person) saying the same thing. He must like arguing because he just repeats the same opinion over and over fully aware that 90% of other members will disagree with him

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