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1210 1.8GHz / 1GB / 160GB NHP SATA / DVD/CD-RW / 3 Year NBD Warranty / Tower Server

HEWLETT PACKARD ML115 Opteron 1210 1.8GHz
2x1MB Processor AMD Dual-Core Opteron 1210 / 1.8 GHz
Hard Drive 160 GB - standard - Serial ATA-150
Networking Network adapter - PCI Express x1 - Ethernet, Fast Ethernet, Gigabit Ethernet
RAM 1 GB (installed) / 8 GB (max) - DDR II SDRAM - Advanced ECC - 667 MHz - PC2-5300
RAID - RAID 5
Graphics Controller Integrated
Display None
Optical Storage CD-RW / DVD-ROM combo
OS Provided None
Dimensions (WxDxH) 17.5 cm x 42.6 cm x 36.7 cm
Weight 10.5 kg
Manufacturer Warranty 3 Years
£234 + £5 delivery

It deos come with a 3 years warranty and FREE Software is via refund from Hewlett Packard.

"HP ProLiant Free Operating System Offer
1 - 30 November 2007
Ideal as a cost-effective solution for your first server operating system, SBS Standard Edition offers file sharing and management; data backup and restore capabilities; resource sharing; remote access; e-mail host hosting; and network-wide update management.

As a fantastic promotional offer from two industry-leading technology companies, during November simply purchase from the list of qualifying HP ProLiant servers, include your copy of the HP Microsoft Small Business Server 2003 R2 option kit and HP will refund the value of the operating system purchase. Please refer to http://h40059.www4.hp.com/proliantfreesbs/qualifying.html for a list of qualifying products.

How to claim:
Complete this claim form.
Attach proof of purchase (Misco invoice(s)) to the claim form, with qualifying products circled. Product must have been invoiced between 1st November and 30th November 2007.
Make copies for your records.
Mail to: HP Claims Dept, Outbound, Waterloo House, Riseley Business Park, Basingstoke Road, Riseley,Berkshire, RG7 1NW. All submissions must be received by Friday 4th January 2008.
You will then receive an email confirming the rebate due to you and your individual reference number.
Cheques will be issued within 28 days of receipt of your correct invoice. "
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#1
how does this machine compare to a normal PC with, say, core 2 duo processor? Is it possible to install XP/Ubuntu on it?
#2
Great overclocking potential for these well-engineered CPU's. Should be able to crank it up to 2.8GHz from 1.8GHz without any issues (assuming the motherboard is flexible enough to allow you to overclock). XP/Ubuntu aren't a problem at all for these babies. Excellent deal .... heat + rep awarded.
#3
Hi,

Which of the current PC's on top value would people recommend to run as a Terminal servers with maximum 5 people using at a time.

http://h40059.www4.hp.com/proliantfreesbs/qualifying.html

I have one at work that I would like to replace, but will do until a special offer comes along..

Regards

Barry
#4
Hmm, am I reading this right?

Isn't it a free copy of Small business server? If it is, it includes Exchange Server as well as Windows Server. That's unbelievable value!
#5
Seems to be a great deal as the software is about the same price as the hardware.
#6
Yuo have to buy the SBS version via your business. Then you supply that to HP and they'll refund you..so in effect it is a free O/S with exchange,etc
#7
This is supremely hot. A dual-core Oppie and Server 2003 SBS R2 for less than the cost price for Server 2003 SBS? Complete bargain.

Anyone wanting to build a rock solid machine, whether for business, home or gaming would do a lot worse than to use this as a base. Add an 8800GT and bosh.

(S2K3 is so far above XP it's unreal - never mind Vista)

Server 2003 SBS link:
http://www.misco.co.uk/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=254253&CatId=1153
#8
This is a staggeringly good deal for a basic dual-core server. The software costs £215 + VAT from HP and more from Ebuyer.
There is a contradiction with regards the warranty as it seems as if it’s only 1 year but it is an on-site warranty which is good.

It’s £216 including delivery from The BT Shop and you can get Quidco at 2.5% from there also.
There’s also a Xeon version for the same price.

The Xeon is a Core 2 Duo based LGA775 CPU but it’s unclear whether the motherboard supports the Quad cores. It seems highly likely that the Opteron system will support the Barcelona Quad cores as HP just has to issue a BIOS update.
#9
kemot1984
how does this machine compare to a normal PC with, say, core 2 duo processor? Is it possible to install XP/Ubuntu on it?
pretty much just like a desktop except noisy, very noisy.
#10
dc2447
pretty much just like a desktop except noisy, very noisy.
There’s a review at PCPro.

“The upshot of HP's cooling arrangements is that fan speeds have been reduced substantially, making the ML115 one very cool and very quiet customer.”
#11
SmilingCrow
There’s a review at PCPro.

“The upshot of HP's cooling arrangements is that fan speeds have been reduced substantially, making the ML115 one very cool and very quiet customer.”


it's all relative

It's still going to be noisier than a desktop
#12
dc2447
it's all relative
It's still going to be noisier than a desktop
There’s no real reason to assume these should be any louder or quieter than a typical desktop as the noise making components are very similar. They are an unknown quantity so you are just guessing really.

Don’t forget that both of these AMD and Intel servers are using CPUs with the same sockets as their desktop systems rather than the Server sockets such as Socket F and LGA771.
Therefore it should be easy to upgrade the CPU coolers if they are noisy. And case fans are hit and miss anyway whatever system you buy.
#13
SmilingCrow
There’s no real reason to assume these should be any louder or quieter than a typical desktop as the noise making components are very similar. They are an unknown quantity so you are just guessing really.

Don’t forget that both of these AMD and Intel servers are using CPUs with the same sockets as their desktop systems rather than the Server sockets such as Socket F and LGA771.
Therefore it should be easy to upgrade the CPU coolers if they are noisy. And case fans are hit and miss anyway whatever system you buy.
Actually it's the PSU fans that are noisier combined with the total lack of insulation in the case.

But don't take my word for it, you are obviously an expert. i was only trying to help.
#14


Hmm I wonder
a) whether this is the same as the HP Ms SBS 2003 R2 option kit, or whether it has to be another media (these caompanies are sticklers for the small print(. I would want to make 100% sure I was purchasing the correct version of SBS 2003 r2 before I bought the wrong one and had a rebate refused.


As a fantastic promotional offer from two industry-leading technology companies, during November simply purchase from the list of qualifying HP ProLiant servers, include your copy of the HP Microsoft Small Business Server 2003 R2 option kit and HP will refund the value of the operating system purchase.


b) Whether it will part refund of the software, with the OS being Windows 2003 server, without the other bells and whistles (such as Exchange). Will it only be 50% refund?

Seems like a good offer, although 2008 is coming out with all its virtualisation bells and whistles.
#15
dc2447
Actually it's the PSU fans that are noisier combined with the total lack of insulation in the case.

But don't take my word for it, you are obviously an expert. i was only trying to help.
I appreciate your input but I still don’t see why this has necessarily got to be any louder than a comparatively priced £200 desktop.
The Opteron system has a 370W power supply and I don’t see any reason why it should necessarily be louder than a desktop power supply.
As for the case, I don’t expect that a typical desktop case in this price range is well insulated.

If you have first hand evidence that this is loud then that‘s one thing. But you just seem to be guessing which isn’t of much help actually.
I’d rather listen to PCPro than a stranger’s guess!

“Removing the side panel reveals a tidy interior with easy access to all key components. The most noticeable feature is the hefty active heatsink on top of the processor, with an array of copper pipes weaving through it to aid with heat dissipation. General chassis cooling is handled by a large fan at the rear of the chassis. Noise pollution is a big issue in small offices and workers should no longer have to put up with wheezing servers. The upshot of HP's cooling arrangements is that fan speeds have been reduced substantially, making the ML115 one very cool and very quiet customer.”

Of course it may in reality turn out to be noisy, we’ll have to wait and see.
#16
You have to buy the HP specific version of the software (432587-B21) to get the cashback and this seems to be BIOS locked to the hardware. See the BT shop.

From the T&Cs:

“For each qualifying ProLiant Server and Microsoft Operating System option purchased one rebate cheque to the value of the cost of the Operating System purchased excluding VAT may be claimed.
The maximum permitted value for this rebate will not exceed the current list price of the part code
Purchased products must appear on the same invoice
The promotion is valid only on new units purchased directly from Hewlett-Packard or a UK authorised reseller and invoiced between 1st and the 30th November
Purchases made direct from ’P distribution partners are ineligible”

The list price on HP’s site is £232 + VAT. At the BT Shop it costs £204 + VAT so the software will actually cost you ~£35 unless you are a business user.

PC World Business, Insight, Misco & Dabs are linked on the HP site so should be good to go. They all support Quidco except for Insight.
#17
Which would be a quicker box, the Xeon or the Opteron?

ML110 G4 Xeon 3040 1860-2MB/1066 Dual Core, 1x512MB, Non Hot Plug SATA 160GB, DVD/CD-RW

ML115 Opteron 1210 1.8GHz 2x1MB Dual Core, 1GB (2x512MB), Non Hot Plug SATA 160GB, DVD/CD-RW
#18
jazid
Which would be a quicker box, the Xeon or the Opteron?

ML110 G4 Xeon 3040 1860-2MB/1066 Dual Core, 1x512MB, Non Hot Plug SATA 160GB, DVD/CD-RW

ML115 Opteron 1210 1.8GHz 2x1MB Dual Core, 1GB (2x512MB), Non Hot Plug SATA 160GB, DVD/CD-RW
These are desktop chips rebadged as server chips so the Core 2 Duo will be faster.
You may even be able to upgrade them with actual desktop chips; do some research on that.
The Xeon system definitely doesn’t support quad cores but there’s a reasonable chance that the Opteron system will; eventually.
#19
SmilingCrow
These are desktop chips rebadged as server chips so the Core 2 Duo will be faster.

Are you saying that the Xeon is just a Core 2 Duo in disguise ?

SmilingCrow
The Xeon system definitely doesn’t support quad cores but there’s a reasonable chance that the Opteron system will; eventually.

Good to know.

The only reason why this is a hot deal is because of the rebate on SBS 2003 R2 Std Ed., otherwise it would make more sense to DIY build a quadcore intel PC and stick OEM XP Pro on it (but this would come to £450).

Edit: Actually I think I need to determine whether I really need Windows 2003, as I wont use Exchange...... hmmmm. Might be worth getting a more robust PC + XP Pro after all
#20
jazid
Are you saying that the Xeon is just a Core 2 Duo in disguise?
Yes. The Intel uses socket LGA775 and the AMD uses AM2 which are desktop sockets. The dual sockets servers use different sockets; LGA771 and socket F.
The CPUs are both basically desktop chips that may be cherry picked and have undergone a more rigorous validation process but they still offer the same performance. So comparing these against each other is like comparing Core 2 Duo v Athlon X2.

As well as that the specification of these boxes is almost identical to a desktop setup. You don’t get the typical features that you get with ‘proper’ servers. These are not mission critical. :)
#21
Thanks. Do you know what the equivilent desktop chips would be:

I am trying to do a benchmark comparison against a chart like this one, seems to ommit these two "server" chips.
#22
jazid
Thanks. Do you know what the equivilent desktop chips would be.
The ones that run at the same clock speeds. :)

I received this from HP today:

“Thank you for your e-mail to HP.

comments: Will it be possible to upgrade the ProLiant ML115 (445847-035) to a quad-core CPU in the future?

It is not possible to upgrade this model to a quad core by adding only a new processor.”
#23
I haven't bought this yet but am tempted as this AMD version is RAID5 but the Intel one isn't (ML110).

The Software is SBS2003 and is worth £270-300 or so BUT is tied to the Server.

Very cheap indeed as you get the price back from HP if you get the receipt in before teh end of the month.

Nice offer if you need a server with Software !

I don't know if Ebuyer are doing this offer (as they have same Server) as I haven't bought anything from Misco before :-(

:?
#24
Nice offer if you need a server with Software !


Linux is free.

It's the future.
#25
dc2447
Linux is free.

It's the future.


are you in any way committed to buying the software/os? i want to install win xp pro and a geforce 8600 card and use it as a cheap gaming system
#26
Bully
are you in any way committed to buying the software/os? i want to install win xp pro and a geforce 8600 card and use it as a cheap gaming system


Nope you are not commited. However I would not rate this as a hot deal for the PC alone. You would be MUCH better of building your own.

The cheap (i.e. VAT only) cost of the software makes it good value.
#27
dc2447
Linux is free.
It's the future.


Alas, it is not the present, especially if you want a legit licensed and unrestricted version of Windows with IIS to run your .Net web sites/applications under.

I too am tempted by this offer, but dont need Exchange, so I really need to work out whether Windows XP Pro will do instead. However, the free virtualisation features of Windows 2003 is pretty damn tempting alone.
#28
Agharta
I received this from HP today:
It is not possible to upgrade this (AMD) model to a quad core by adding only a new processor.”


Thanks for the post. Based on this new information, I suspect the Xeon server will be faster than the AMD version.
#29
jazid
Alas, it is not the present, especially if you want a legit licensed and unrestricted version of Windows with IIS to run your .Net web sites/applications under.


Convert them to Java or use MONO
#30
dc2447
Convert them to Java

Great suggestion, as development/migration time costs nothing (as if :thinking: !)

And back in the real world, Windoze is the only option for .Net. Anyhow this is getting offtopic.
#31
jazid
Anyhow this is getting offtopic.
Agreed. I having nothing against Linux but this is a Windows deal.
#32
Agharta
Agreed. I having nothing against Linux but this is a Windows deal.


It's hardware, it can't be a windows deal.
#33
Guys - I'll give you the "inside" view on this.

It doesn't come with a 3yr warranty. Thats a boob on the product feed though rather than specifically the misco website. It has a 1 year NBD response warranty
You can buy this server from any HP partner that stocks TV (the go to market route) product. So that is basically every one. Google for 445847-035. For instance you can buy one £15 cheaper at Ballicom http://www.ballicom.co.uk/product_info.php?&products_id=275431
The software is also available if you buy this server no matter who you buy the server from. You just make sure you buy 432587-B21 (Small Business Server 2003 R2) on the SAME invoice. Send it to HP and get your cash back. Invoice needs to be dated BEFORE 30th Nov.
The board is certified to take any of these Dual-Core AMD Opterons 1210 1214 1216 or 1220 SE or a Single-Core AMD Athlon 3500+
The 370W PSU runs just as quiet as a similar cheap standard PC PSU (38dBA) under operating load

You can get Intel versions of this as well as AMD. The key is in the model naming convention and this is true for all ProLiants...if it ends in 5 it's an AMD and if it ends in 0 it's an Intel. So you are looking for ML110 if you want Intel and Ml115 if you want AMD. The 110 models are for the most part exactly the same base spec except for processors and chipset. (and the PSU is 5w ess if you want to be picky lol)
#34
stephenc
For instance you can buy one £15 cheaper at Ballicom http://www.ballicom.co.uk/product_info.php?&products_id=275431
Nice find. You can buy cheaper elsewhere when you include Quidco but not by much; ~£5

'The promotion is valid only on new units purchased directly from Hewlett-Packard or a UK authorised reseller'

Better check that they are authorised resellers or you may be in for a nasty suprise.
#35
dc2447
It's hardware, it can't be a windows deal.


Wrong. Without the free(ish) software bundle, there is not even a warm deal to be had here for what is a mediocre performing PC.
#36
jazid
Wrong. Without the free(ish) software bundle, there is not even a warm deal to be had here for what is a mediocre performing PC.


I can't believe you use the words "Mediocre Performing PC" for a dual core Opteron with 1GB memory.:giggle:

I mean, all in all, this is a powerful computer by any standard and is extremely good value for money, especially when you factor in the build quality and the goodies HP throw in.

Sure you can build one, probably for a bit cheaper but it won't be the same and you won't get a next day warranty with that.
#37
siliconbits
I can't believe you use the words "Mediocre Performing PC" for a dual core Opteron with 1GB memory.:giggle:

I mean, all in all, this is a powerful computer by any standard and is extremely good value for money


My point was that if you dont go for the freebie SBS2003, then this is not great value for money. Agreed if Next day service is required then it is worthwhile.

But note: This CPU is the bottom of the range 103W(power hungry) AMD dual core CPUs and slow in comparison with the other chips out there. (See CPU benchmark)

I suspect that the CPU PassMark benchmark (I have despite looking and not being able to find it) for the Opteron 1210 is less than 1000.

If you were to build your own (cheap as chips) Quad Core Intel 6600 (Passmark benchmark of 2757 !) , with a cheap motherboard, 1Gb DDR2 Ram and other well priced components, it would be just over £100 more, but would give you almost 3 times the performance. Add an OEM Windoze XP for £50 and it is still reasonable value for money. FWIW, this is just my opinion. When I buy a PC I want it to last for years...

However, with the software bundle no one can deny that it is a damn good deal! :thumbsup:


I wonder if the Xeon is quicker than the Opteron 1210?
#38
Xeon should be quicker than the Opteron...

I was talking in General terms.... I.e. how fast technology (helped by competition) is ramping things up. If moore's law can't keep up, just double/quadruple the number of cores, to make up for the shortcomings...
#39
Ah I see. Well now they have worked out how to straighten and bend those nano fibres, we can expect another stab at Moores Law tipping point.

FYI, the Xeon has the following specs;

HP ProLiant ML110 G4

Brand HP
Product name ProLiant ML110 G4
Tested by Koen Crijns
Processor
Processor type Intel Xeon 3040
Number of processors 1
Cores per processors 2
Total number of cores 2
Clock frequency 1.86 GHz
Frontside bus 1066 MHz
L1 cache per CPU 128 kB
L2 cache per CPU 2 MB
L3 cache per CPU 0
Memory
Capacity 2 GB
Amount of modules 4
Type of modules DDR2
Rating 667 MHz
Brand + Model HP D1PRYN7
Mainboard
Brand + Model HP ML110 G4
North bridge Intel 3000
South bridge Intel ICH7R
Processor sockets 1
DIMM slots 4
PCI-Express x8 2
PCI-Express x4 0
PCI-X 0
PCI 2
Integrated video Matrox G200e
LAN
LAN 1 Broadcom BCM5750
LAN 1 - Speed 1000 Mbit/s
LAN 1 - Controller PCI-Express
LAN 2
LAN 2 - Speed 0
LAN 2 - Controller
Storage
User controller HP Embedded SATA RAID
Cache on controller 0
Amount of harddisks 2
Max. amount of harddisks 4
Harddisk model Western Digital WD16000JS
Capacity per harddisk 160 GB
Rotation speed harddisks 7200 rpm
Cache per harddisk 8 MB
Interface SATA
RAID level 1
Hard disks hotswappable
Casing
Brand + Model HP Proliant
Casing type Pedestal
Fans 2
Hotswappable fans
Power supply
Amount of PSU's 1
Brand + Model Delta DPS-370AB
Power 370 W
Other
Optical drive LG CD-ROM
Fibre Channel controller
Remote Management Module
Benchmarks - CPU
Cinebench 10 3547
Passmark PerformanceTest 6.1 - CPU Mark 1082.6
Benchmarks - Memory
Passmark PerformanceTest 6.1 - Memory Mark 477.5
Benchmarks - Storage
Passmark PerformanceTest 6.1 - Disk Mark 271.5
Passmark Disk Test - Fileserver 4.33 MB/s
Passmark Disk Test - Webserver 5.4 MB/s
Passmark Disk Test - Database 0.75 MB/s
Benchmarks - Power usage
Power usage - Idle 70 W

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