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Complete set of DR. ZAKIR NAIK DVDs 43 DVDs £42.99 @ crescentbooks

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WAS £67.99 Now only - £42.99 This is the complete set of Dr. Zakir Naik DVDs. Now includes the two latest DVDs. It contains all 43 DVDs that are listed in the Dr. Zakir Naik DVDs category
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Deobandis are Hanafi only in name, their teaching are very narrow prescriptive and heavily immersed in Indo-Pak culture.Your stats are summations and bear no relation to the truth, in particular in regards to the 80% of all domestically trained Imans. Even the stats are manipulated, as there are hundreds of Imans of a high calibre, and I don't mean the Indo-Pak trained one. Many Imams are trained at the Medina University, a highly acclaimed seat of theological learning.
There is nothing wrong with my facts - The majority of British Muslims are from the Indian Sub-Continent and most are either Deobandi or Barelwi (Proof? Absolute nonsense. It is true most are Hanifis, but to say they are either of these two schools is pure and utter fabrication. Even those people who may have followed some Deobandi principles are quickly discarding them, like no women allowed in Mosques as an example). One half of all Mosques in the UK (over 600) follow the Deobandi school - 93% of all UK Muslim seminaries (darul uloom), 25 out of 27, follow Deobandi teachings producing over 80% of all UK domestically trained Muslim clerics/imams (proof?). These facts are easily varifiable as is the fact that nothing in those posts has been "twisted or edited" Verify them then.
Incidentally the BMF has the widest support from the Muslim community than any other Muslim organisation Proof? Absolute nonsense assertion.There is also nothing wrong with these facts: You have and a few others on this thread have indicated that you believe you are better informed to judge the veracity of claims that Dr Naik supports 'Osama Bin Laden on terrorism' etc than several well respected Islamic scholars (and I think you will find that not all of those mentioned in Fred's post are Deobandi).You have branded a very large percentage of British Muslims (Deobandi) as members of an "extreme sect" that is followed by "most of the 'terrorists'" and "by the Pakistani and Afghani Taliban".Personally I think it is wrong to tar all British Deobandi with the "extremist" brush in your efforts to defend wahabi this has to be the biggest joke in terms of mis-labelling a person Dr.Zakir Naik - Correction, I don't think it is wrong, I think it is Islamophobic A pathetic statement designed to hide the twisting of a beautiful message of Islam by people who have inserted anti-Islamic tradition into their belief system .As you have said "I could refute every single allegation made with proof" perhaps you can now put your money where your mouth is and address the many other points raised by both Fred and myself.
People like you are trying to destroy Islam and your twisted brand of Islam designed to gain political power is unlikely to succeed. I will not contribute further to this thread, as people of your ilk are a waste of time and I have better things to do than try to educate the illiterate.
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Deobandis are Hanafi only in name, their teaching are very narrow prescriptive and heavily immersed in Indo-Pak culture.Your stats are summations and bear no relation to the truth, in particular in regards to the 80% of all domestically trained Imans. Even the stats are manipulated, as there are hundreds of Imans of a high calibre, and I don't mean the Indo-Pak trained one. Many Imams are trained at the Medina University, a highly acclaimed seat of theological learning.


There is nothing wrong with my facts - The majority of British Muslims are from the Indian Sub-Continent and most are either Deobandi or Barelwi. One half of all Mosques in the UK (over 600) follow the Deobandi school - 93% of all UK Muslim seminaries (darul uloom), 25 out of 27, follow Deobandi teachings producing over 80% of all UK domestically trained Muslim clerics/imams. These facts are easily varifiable as is the fact that nothing in those posts has been "twisted or edited".
Incidentally the BMF has the widest support from the Muslim community than any other Muslim organisation.

There is also nothing wrong with these facts:

You have and a few others on this thread have indicated that you believe you are better informed to judge the veracity of claims that Dr Naik supports 'Osama Bin Laden on terrorism' etc than several well respected Islamic scholars (and I think you will find that not all of those mentioned in Fred's post are Deobandi).

You have branded a very large percentage of British Muslims (Deobandi) as members of an "extreme sect" that is followed by "most of the 'terrorists'" and "by the Pakistani and Afghani Taliban".

Personally I think it is wrong to tar all British Deobandi with the "extremist" brush in your efforts to defend wahabi Dr.Zakir Naik - Correction, I don't think it is wrong, I think it is Islamophobic.

As you have said "I could refute every single allegation made with proof" perhaps you can now put your money where your mouth is and address the many other points raised by both Fred and myself.
Deobandis are Hanafi only in name, their teaching are very narrow prescriptive and heavily immersed in Indo-Pak culture.

Your stats are summations and bear no relation to the truth, in particular in regards to the 80% of all domestically trained Imans. Even the stats are manipulated, as there are hundreds of Imans of a high calibre, and I don't mean the Indo-Pak trained one. Many Imams are trained at the Medina University, a highly acclaimed seat of theological learning.
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OK, you want some points being addressed. In respect of the scholars that 'Fred' mentions, not only are they in a tiny minority but they are also from extreme sects. Their only concern is about gaining political power and has little to do with Islam. In fact they are from Deoband, ironically most of the 'terrorists' follow the Deobandi school of thought; an ideology that is closely followed by the Pakistani and Afghani Taliban. In fact if the fatwas of these scholars had any basis, the Indian Government would have banned and possibly imprisoned Dr. Zakir Naik fairly quickly. I am not talking about the current Congress government only but the previous hardline (rightist) BJP government.

Over 90% of all Islamic Scholar (the Ulema) accept in totally Dr. Zakir Naik's lectures and speeches as being founded totally in the Quran and the Sunnah.

The mainstream representatives of Muslims in the UK (a body that is recognised and supported by the UK government) the Muslim Council of Britain fully supports Dr. Zakir Naik. The British Muslim Forum is a minority political body trying to get a bit of power and recognition and jumps on the media bandwagon at every opportunity. To say these people represent Muslim opinion is like saying the BNP is mainstream UK political view.

I could go on and on, but sadly Fred, like the media at large, have twisted and edited (sometimes cutting and pasting together two separate speeches) in order to totally mislead and misrepresent Dr. Zakir Naik's speeches. If I had the inclination and the time, I could refute every single allegation made with proof; I can say this with confidence as I have seen all or almost all of Dr, Zakir Naik's lectures and speeches. There is nothing in them that is of an extremist nature, quite the opposite. I do not deal in rhetoric, I believe in facts.



One half of all Mosques in the UK (over 600) follow the Deobandi school - 93% of all UK Muslim seminaries (darul uloom), 25 out of 27, follow Deobandi teachings producing over 80% of all UK domestically trained Muslim clerics/imams.

In your own words over 600 British Mosques are "extreme sects" that preach "an ideology that is closely followed by the Pakistani and Afghani Taliban and most of the 'terrorists'". Similarly 93% of all UK Muslim seminaries follow "extremist ideology that is closely followed by the Pakistani and Afghani Taliban and most of the 'terrorists'" producing 80% of all UK domestically trained Muslim clerics.
BTW Deobandis are not as you claim a "sect" they adhere to the Hanafi school of thought

Is that really an admission you should be making on a public forum?


The Muslim Council of Britain is a UK front for Jamaati-e-Islami and the Muslim Brotherhood controlled by The Islamic Forum Europe. As for the government and the MCB - a snippet from The Times:

"David Cameron said that his party “won’t do formal things” with the Muslim Council of Britain unless the organisation distanced itself from Daud Abdullah, its deputy secretary-general"

BTW You said - "Over 90% of all Islamic Scholar (the Ulema) accept in totally Dr. Zakir Naik's lectures and speeches as being founded totally in the Quran and the Sunnah. " - Let's see your proof?
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You could have at least ried to address some of the issues he raised in his response. or maybe you and the others only deal in rhetoric and bias...


OK, you want some points being addressed. In respect of the scholars that 'Fred' mentions, not only are they in a tiny minority but they are also from extreme sects. Their only concern is about gaining political power and has little to do with Islam. In fact they are from Deoband, ironically most of the 'terrorists' follow the Deobandi school of thought; an ideology that is closely followed by the Pakistani and Afghani Taliban. In fact if the fatwas of these scholars had any basis, the Indian Government would have banned and possibly imprisoned Dr. Zakir Naik fairly quickly. I am not talking about the current Congress government only but the previous hardline (rightist) BJP government.

Over 90% of all Islamic Scholar (the Ulema) accept in totally Dr. Zakir Naik's lectures and speeches as being founded totally in the Quran and the Sunnah.

The mainstream representatives of Muslims in the UK (a body that is recognised and supported by the UK government) the Muslim Council of Britain fully supports Dr. Zakir Naik. The British Muslim Forum is a minority political body trying to get a bit of power and recognition and jumps on the media bandwagon at every opportunity. To say these people represent Muslim opinion is like saying the BNP is mainstream UK political view.

I could go on and on, but sadly Fred, like the media at large, have twisted and edited (sometimes cutting and pasting together two separate speeches) in order to totally mislead and misrepresent Dr. Zakir Naik's speeches. If I had the inclination and the time, I could refute every single allegation made with proof; I can say this with confidence as I have seen all or almost all of Dr, Zakir Naik's lectures and speeches. There is nothing in them that is of an extremist nature, quite the opposite. I do not deal in rhetoric, I believe in facts.
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FREE Sheikh Ahmed Deedat & Dr. Zakir Naik DVDs

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I got the offer from email today. See pic below, audio CD and MP3 also available. For muslims and non-muslims alike. I know people will ice this freebie for no reason!
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got mine as well the other day.
Got mine too excellent
recieved today....thank you, heat added and rep to come
May Allah SWT reward you accordingly, Ameen
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no this is not the best
ahmadeyya is not islamic group by all moslem scholars


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Qadiani is as muslim as Sacha Baron Cohen!

Ahmed Deedat I have great respect for, but Naik is not really on the same level

One of my work mates was talking about a Soudi scholar who declared inIqra TV the other day (live) that he had converted from Wahabi to Shia!

Anyone else hear of this?

Some guts posting on HUKD's - but well done bro!
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