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Intel Core 2 Duo (2.13ghz) 2MB Cache Retail Boxed Processor - £133.95 delivered @ ebuyer.com

My knowledge on these are very limited hence any comments on the price & quality will be appreciated... 5* rating @ ebuyer.

Description : Screams performance. Conserves power. Revolutionizes PCs. With Intel Core 2 Duo desktop processor, you'll experience revolutionary performance, unbelievable system responsiveness, and energy-efficiency built in - up to 40% faster and over 40% more energy efficient.
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#1
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Looks like price hasnt been updated yet. Today's price should be £133.95 inc Free supersaver delivery.
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edi
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Looks like price hasnt been updated yet. Today's price should be £133.95 inc Free supersaver delivery.


Price updated

Price as always from Ebuyer is very good but if I was spending my money I'd go the AMD route and get one of these http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/94640/rb/25239352894.

Although it's only got 1MB L2 cache compared to intels 2MB, it's very doubtful you'd notice any difference unless you have 2 PCs side by side....... and save £47.

It's important to price up memory and motherboards at the same time if building a new system.
#3
Biscuit..the AMD one you recommend is old style socket 939...the latest is the AM2 version and unless you already have a Socket 939 mobo then the sensible route is to go for the AM2 with a new AM2 mobo ..designed to fully utilise the benefits of DDR2 ram and will allow future upgrading.
#4
Good deal edi..thanks for the post.
#5
currychops
Biscuit..the AMD one you recommend is old style socket 939...the latest is the AM2 version and unless you already have a Socket 939 mobo then the sensible route is to go for the AM2 with a new AM2 mobo ..designed to fully utilise the benefits of DDR2 ram and will allow future upgrading.


lol I was just gonna say that :p

Core 2 Duo beats AMD s939/AM2 at an average of 20% - go see any computer benchmark site (tomshardware, anandtech) and look at the forums, and the benchmark tests. I upgraded from s939 X2 4400+ (OC'ed from 2.2 to 2.4) to a Core 2 Duo E6400 (OC'ed from 2.13 to 3Ghz), and even at stock the difference is apparent. SuperPI 1M scores are 5-8 seconds quicker for a start!

With regards s939/AM2, AM2 is the smart upgrade route if you're going AMD. This is despite s939 vs AM2 performance comparisons which, at best, are 5% difference. This is due to the fact that the DDR bandwidth on the s939 wasnt being fully utilised all the time in the first place, so what would be the point in increasing the headroom? Upgradeability, and Intels wonton use of the phrase 'DDR2'.

However we all await AMDs 'Barcelona' chip and its benchmarks over the Opteron tbh.

EDIT: Just a mention, I bought my E6400 just before crimbo and paid 155 I think from overclockers. This is a stonker of a price. With the other right hardware, this chip should OC quite well to 3.1Ghz+. Reports are that extremists can OC these to ~4Ghz (not totally stable, but OC'ing is an art form, after all :)).
#6
Thanks for the detailed info guys :)

Price is now £133.95 delivered.
#8
Will this fit in a laptop. Mine is a Pentium M 1.86 Dell Inspiron 9300. Would I need to change the motherboard to?
#9
There be a price cut in April. Just for a heads up!
#10
carleast
Will this fit in a laptop. Mine is a Pentium M 1.86 Dell Inspiron 9300. Would I need to change the motherboard to?


To the best of my knowledge a new laptop would be in order. Any other sort of change would be 'non-trivial'.

Alex
#11
Great price, spot on mate.

As for the laptop thingy, although I know a lot about PC's I have only ever had one laptop and sold it within a month so I tend to stay away from laptop help as I am totally clueless for most of the part.
#12
carleast
Will this fit in a laptop. Mine is a Pentium M 1.86 Dell Inspiron 9300. Would I need to change the motherboard to?

This is not a Pentium-M centrino CPU, it is a Desktop Socket775 CPU.

You cannot fit it into your laptop.

I believe your laptop will probably have a Socket479 motherboard and so you would need a Socket479 CPU which ebuyer do not seem to sell and also you would need to check your bios, or a bios you can upgrade to could support any CPU upgrade.

I have a XPS M1710 and I'll be waiting for Core3Duo to appear in Q2/Q3 this year (which will be on a new mobo chipset no 2006 or before laptop can support) and probably get a Core2Duo P-M cpu to upgrade my laptop.
suspended#13
currychops
Biscuit..the AMD one you recommend is old style socket 939...the latest is the AM2 version and unless you already have a Socket 939 mobo then the sensible route is to go for the AM2 with a new AM2 mobo ..designed to fully utilise the benefits of DDR2 ram and will allow future upgrading.


sorry didn't notice the AM2 bit missing but I got an AMD2 3800 chip for the same price before christmas ....still think it's much better value than the Intel chip
#14
Biscuit
sorry didn't notice the AM2 bit missing but I got an AMD2 3800 chip for the same price before christmas ....still think it's much better value than the Intel chip



the intel is a much better chip than the one you are talking about

intel core 2 are kicking amd's ass atm

i am running the E6600 (2.4ghz) with 2gb dual channel 6400 ram

it is a dream, i have always been with amd, but have since followed the masses regarding the dual core intels and i have to agree all the reports are right, and i am so glad i went with intel
#15
Biscuit
sorry didn't notice the AM2 bit missing but I got an AMD2 3800 chip for the same price before christmas ....still think it's much better value than the Intel chip


I would have to disagree:
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2802&p=6

Intel have utterly destroyed AMD in gaming benchmarks in the last 12months.

And I was AMD fan for many many years. AMD will catch up no doubt, but it'll far too late for what I want, but in time probably for Vista to become popular on all machines XMAS this year hopefully.
#16
techmob
the intel is a much better chip than the one you are talking about

intel core 2 are kicking amd's ass atm

i am running the E6600 (2.4ghz) with 2gb dual channel 6400 ram

it is a dream, i have always been with amd, but have since followed the masses regarding the dual core intels and i have to agree all the reports are right, and i am so glad i went with intel


So why exactly is this? Im intruiged, I have used both and don't really notice a difference
#17
super_neil

Typically speaking and generalising over the years
AMD has been superior to Intel on single thread tasks like games
Intel has been superior to AMD on sheer number crunching and workstation multitasking & processing.

Take both tasks on average and AMD normally has been the winner for "bang for your buck" value.
However Intel's new cores have left AMD standing and looking slow in 2006.
#18
Biscuit
sorry didn't notice the AM2 bit missing but I got an AMD2 3800 chip for the same price before christmas ....still think it's much better value than the Intel chip


You paid how much for a 3800?

They have been below £100 for months on end and ar now available as full retail for £79.95 from Ebuyer.

You need to research a little more before your next purchase mate.

After all that is what this place is for, to find you the best price.
#19
schizoboy
super_neil

Typically speaking and generalising over the years
AMD has been superior to Intel on single thread tasks like games
Intel has been superior to AMD on sheer number crunching and workstation multitasking & processing.

Take both tasks on average and AMD normally has been the winner for "bang for your buck" value.
However Intel's new cores have left AMD standing and looking slow in 2006.



spot on
#20
If beerman1 is right and its £80 for a AMD 3800 then if you are on a very tight budget, I'd actually recommend that over this Intel.

But this E6400 and how easily and effortlessly you can overclock to past £200 CPU benchmarks this is better value from that perspective.
#21
schizoboy

Typically speaking and generalising over the years
AMD has been superior to Intel on single thread tasks like games
Intel has been superior to AMD on sheer number crunching and workstation multitasking & processing.

Take both tasks on average and AMD normally has been the winner for "bang for your buck" value.
However Intel's new cores have left AMD standing and looking slow in 2006.


I'm glad I'm not the only computer building nut on these boards. I followed news of the development, release and early adoption of the Core2Duo CPUs for desktop PCs from about June right through to October before setting up and overclocking my own C2D based rig. Prior to that I too had been an AMD stalwart for almost six years.

The tide has indeed changed and Intel has taken the performance lead for the first time in a long time :santa:
#22
Its all about budget vs. longevity.

If you want a new computer now, have some money, but only upgrade every 3 years, then s939 would suit you fine. For £300 you could get most of a s939 PC, or a pre built one from a PC shop.

I personally upgrade every 6-12 months.

Thus I went with AMD because:
Last year AMD had the lead with its CPU architecture. Mainly because Intel's Netburst architecture was flawed and VERY power hungry. AMD made overclockable, cheaper chips

Now I choose Intel because:
These past few months, Intel have had the lead with its CPU architecture. It runs cool, uses less power than Intel's P4 Netburst and is now on the same par with AMD64 architecture.

The future:
In response to Intel, AMD released the 4x4 platform (2 cpus on one board, 4 if two dual cores are used). This launch pretty much flopped.

Intel now have their Quad core chips on the market for the uber high end, and it'll be a year before they trickle down into lower end units. You could argue that dual core hasnt reached that level yet.

Intel's next release will be the same architecture on a chip using a small nm process. Then they will refine the architecture on that nm process, then reduce the nm process again. The process of new arch and smaller nm is on an 18mo-2yr timescale.

AMD's next major release will most likely be 2H 07/1H 08. Their lower nm chips are expected in 2008. I believe their quad cores are due 2H 07.
#23
How much of a differmce would a upgrade from a 3200+ athlon 64 be?
#24
To a core 2 duo?

Quite a bit. I will try and find some reputable bench marks for you to show you.
#25
yinujim
How much of a differmce would a upgrade from a 3200+ athlon 64 be?


You'd be doubling your cores for a start. Though you'd need a new motherboard and new ram (unless your 3200 is AM2).

Expect multitasking to be easier, expect games to run faster (based on the fact that all that was running in the background would be on the other core). Dont forget most single vs dual core benchmarks were on clean systems. Not the normal system loaded with IM programs, fancy screensavers etc.
#26
borandi
Its all about budget vs. longevity.

If you want a new computer now, have some money, but only upgrade every 3 years, then s939 would suit you fine. For £300 you could get most of a s939 PC, or a pre built one from a PC shop.

I personally upgrade every 6-12 months.

Last year AMD had the lead with its CPU architecture. Mainly because Intel's Netburst architecture was flawed and VERY power hungry.

These past few months, Intel have had the lead with its CPU architecture. It runs cool, uses less power than Intel's P4 Netburst (on the same par with AMD64 architecture).

In response to Intel, AMD released the 4x4 platform (2 cpus on one board, 4 if two dual cores are used). This launch pretty much flopped.

Intel now have their Quad core chips on the market for the uber high end, and it'll be a year before they trickle down into lower end units. You could argue that dual core hasnt reached that level yet.

Intel's next release will be the same architecture on a chip using a small nm process. Then they will refine the architecture on that nm process, then reduce the nm process again. The process of new arch and smaller nm is on an 18mo-2yr timescale.


OMG you are serious aren't you....I was a serial keep up to date with the latest specs merchant but have moderated over the years....it really comes down to what you want from a PC and my demands are not that great so the latest efficiency gains are of little use to me..or lets put it another way..I'm not prepared to spend for little gain.

But I completely understand the "bug" and the thrill of getting that extra performance from the latest specs.
#27
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/intel_core_2_duo_e6400_review/page6.asp

Just go up and down the pages to see more results. It is not compared to the Athlon 64 3200 because quite simply it's like comparing a Rolls Royce with a Mini, there is not point.

But you can see that it really is a top performer and it beats most of the AMD dual core chips so you can only imagine the results against the old single core from AMD.
#28
Thanks for this edi and all the extra info guys :)
#29
Core2Duo all the way at the moment. My last intel CPU was a Celeron 466, used AMD up until then exclusively. However, for value for money they simply dont compare to the C2D's.

My E4300 and DS3 is running at 3ghz stable. I have never been one to overclock before but it was effortless and i'm sure it would go higher, 3ghz suits me fine :) £100 Dual core CPU running at 3ghz? Bargain :)
#30
currychops
OMG you are serious aren't you


Almost :) Over the past year I've gone from:

AMD X2 4400+ s939 w/ stock cooler
2gb value PC3200 DDR-RAM
Asus A8N-E
X800XL
2x300GB HDDs
Average Keyb/Mouse/14" CRT

to

C2D E6300 w/ Zalman LED9500
2gb top end OCZ PC6400 DDR2 RAM
MSI PowerUp Ed. v2
X1900XT
1.5TB HD space, including 150GB Raptor (10k RPM)
Thermaltake Armour
Logitech G7
Logitech G15
19" TFT

The X2 was prebought, and since then I've been changing parts slowly and surely to the self built C2D.

I wont get a quad-core until the come to about 150GBP. They probably wont come out on the C2D chipset, meaning new mobo. So that leaves AMD open with their Barcelona chips.

The g/f uses my old rig at LANs, and it still plays BF2/CoD2 at full spec no probs. FEAR/Oblivion take a hit, but still usually >30fps at 1280x1024 on regular settings.

Though most of my work involves molecular simulations, so latest tech means calculations done quicker! I also BOINC and Fold, so thats also a plus.
#31
I'm interested in this CPU too, ram seems easy to choose as I don;t need great timings, only thing I'm left to choose is motherboard.
It would be interesting to know if this can be gently overclocked (without new headsink fan or improved default venting) to 2.5ghz, a mere 400mhz increase per core, seems to take it to match some of the benchmarks the E6600 cpu which costs £205.
#32
Tempting, shame I'm not eligible for free shipping. :-(
Come April I'll buy. ;-)
#33
Ah, desktop model. This looked like a good upgrade for geeky mac mini owners, until I noticed that it was a Conroe and not a Merom, which costs about twice as much as this price.
[mod]#34
bump ^^ this will be up in price tomorrow ........

Thanks for the deal edi :thumbsup:
#35
borandi
Almost :) Over the past year I've gone from:

AMD X2 4400+ s939 w/ stock cooler
2gb value PC3200 DDR-RAM
Asus A8N-E
X800XL
2x300GB HDDs
Average Keyb/Mouse/14" CRT

to

C2D E6300 w/ Zalman LED9500
2gb top end OCZ PC6400 DDR2 RAM
MSI PowerUp Ed. v2
X1900XT
1.5TB HD space, including 150GB Raptor (10k RPM)
Thermaltake Armour
Logitech G7
Logitech G15
19" TFT

The X2 was prebought, and since then I've been changing parts slowly and surely to the self built C2D.

I wont get a quad-core until the come to about 150GBP. They probably wont come out on the C2D chipset, meaning new mobo. So that leaves AMD open with their Barcelona chips.

The g/f uses my old rig at LANs, and it still plays BF2/CoD2 at full spec no probs. FEAR/Oblivion take a hit, but still usually >30fps at 1280x1024 on regular settings.

Though most of my work involves molecular simulations, so latest tech means calculations done quicker! I also BOINC and Fold, so thats also a plus.

Nice spec,

I have the following:

E6300 @ 2.8ghz with a Zalman 9700LED Cooler. I've hit 3.7ghz and boy is it fast!
2GB Crucial 10th Anniversary Kit (This ram is AWESOME!)
Sapphire X1950XT with Zalman VF900
Asus P5B Deluxe Mobo
Black Coolermaster Wavemaster with Blue Window Panel inc Various Mods
Terratec Dual Freeview Tuner
Mystique HDA Soundcard
Corsair HX520 PSU
2 X Samsung Spinpoint HD's
2 X Dell 2007WFP Screens
Dinovo Media Set
Logitech Z-5500's

Some Images:

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/9748/96475761iv9.jpg

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/8830/69163506iz1.jpg

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/2267/80664515lg3.jpg

:)
#36
dark_shadow
Nice spec,

I have the following:

E6300 @ 2.8ghz with a Zalman 9700LED Cooler. I've hit 3.7ghz and boy is it fast!
2GB Crucial 10th Anniversary Kit (This ram is AWESOME!)
Sapphire X1950XT with Zalman VF900
Asus P5B Deluxe Mobo
Black Coolermaster Wavemaster with Blue Window Panel inc Various Mods
Terratec Dual Freeview Tuner
Mystique HDA Soundcard
Corsair HX520 PSU
2 X Samsung Spinpoint HD's
2 X Dell 2007WFP Screens
Dinovo Media Set
Logitech Z-5500's


:)


Wow! Your setup looks ace. I'm Jealous :w00t:
suspended#37
beerman1
You paid how much for a 3800?

They have been below £100 for months on end and ar now available as full retail for £79.95 from Ebuyer.

You need to research a little more before your next purchase mate.

After all that is what this place is for, to find you the best price.


I paid £88 just before Christmas for the full retail version of the 3800 AM2 socket 940 (ADA version) with fan and heatsink. Yes it's a little lower in price now but not by much.

I do research my purchasers very carefully and feel it's very good value for money compared to the Intel chips.

Didn't mean to upset or antagonise anyone....it's just my point of view.
#38
Wow that is one heck of a system dark_shadow..you obviously pride yourself on a really smart layout.
#39
Nice setup shadow, I wish I was that tidy :)

I ordered this yesterday for £138 delivered on free delivery so thank you edi, along with the 2x1GB posted on here and a Abit AB9 Pro with wifi (not going to use the wifi but for £10 extra might be useful elsewhere)
#40
You should've got a Abit AB9 QuadGT.

I've seen extreme setups where it can go insane. ;-)

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