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Intel Core 2 Duo E4300 1.86ghz for £63.17 delivered!

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Use google checkout to bag yourself a bargain. This is one of the easist processors to overclock, and even if you dont one of the best processors at its price point. * Dual Core Technology * 1.80GH… Read More
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Use google checkout to bag yourself a bargain. This is one of the easist processors to overclock, and even if you dont one of the best processors at its price point.

* Dual Core Technology * 1.80GHz clock speed * 2MB L2 Cache
* Intel Speedstep Technology * EM64T 64-Bit Technology
* Cooler running technology * Supplied with Intel heatsink & fan
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#1
I'm pretty sure my home PC is a E6300, I have looked on the net for these overclocking guides but all i've found is "really easy to overclock" pages with no info how to.

Any1 got any links please.
#2
timwishart
I'm pretty sure my home PC is a E6300, I have looked on the net for these overclocking guides but all i've found is "really easy to overclock" pages with no info how to.

Any1 got any links please.




you need a good motherboard to overclock a CPU. most mobos will not let you


so tell us what mobo you have
#3
Its an ASUS, quite new that can take 4GB of DDR2 RAM. IVE GOT 2GB installed @ mo.

But will let you know next week when I go back home what the model is.

I think i've found out you have to change the settings in the bios don't you? Making the processor hotter after clocking up & uses more electricity (Save the world!:) ) is what i've gathered so far.
#4
timwishart
Its an ASUS, quite new that can take 4GB of DDR2 RAM. IVE GOT 2GB installed @ mo.

But will let you know next week when I go back home what the model is.

I think i've found out you have to change the settings in the bios don't you? Making the processor hotter after clocking up & uses more electricity (Save the world!:) ) is what i've gathered so far.




yes. there tends to be two ways to overclock

increase CPU multiplier
Increase FSB speed


the e6300 is locked at 7x multiplier so your going to need to increase FSB speed. Some motherboards will not let you increase FSB, some will but will be unstable if you increase too far, others will let you increase lots


i have the e6300 on this computer running at 3.01GHZ for the last 6months.


but i should ask. what do you do with you computer?
if you are an average user (web, movies, word, ect) there is no need to overclock since you will not really notice any difference.


edit: when you find out what mobo you have. try typing in google ("mobo name" overclocking review) that should bring up the info you require
#5
I'm pretty sure my home PC is a E6300, I have looked on the net for these overclocking guides but all i've found is "really easy to overclock" pages with no info how to.

Any1 got any links please.


Try a search here, there are a few threads on how to overclock core2duo processors. :thumbsup: (and the bargain forum is not half-bad either).
#6
This is the same cpu as in that dell pc with over 1000 degrees. I've ordered one of them, not counting on the motherboard in the dell to allow me to do any overclocking.
#7
timwishart
I'm pretty sure my home PC is a E6300, I have looked on the net for these overclocking guides but all i've found is "really easy to overclock" pages with no info how to.

Any1 got any links please.


The E6300 is more difficult. I did not mean that somehow this processor is different in how you normally overclock. But if you know how to overclock you will know that processors like the e6300 require good RAM and a good motherboard to reach a good overclock. It requires a high FSB, however, this processor has a x9 multiplier meaning that you can reach 3ghz with cheap RAM and a cheap motherboard.
#8
Easy guide to overclock:

1) get a decent motherboard. I use a Gigabyte DS3.
2) get a decent aftermarket cooler (eg Big Typhoon, tuniq tower, thermalright extreme 120). You don't need this, but the better cooler you get, the faster you can overclock
3) make sure you have ram at least ddr2-667.
4) gradually increase FSB until it crashes some. Don't worry, these things are basically immune to damage unless you do something silly like set the voltage double. If they overheat, they throttle themselves so no damage is done. If they crash, they just reboot.
5) you can probably get 3ghz without changing any other setting (except perhaps mch/fsb voltage to +0.2). To go faster, you need to start upping the cpu voltage, and at max you'll get 3.3. Not really worth it, just stick to standard voltages, you'll then have no heat problems and no chance of damaging anything.
6) if you use the stock cooler, you'll probably get a lot less, say 2.6ghz?


Remember, a e4300 at 3ghz is the same as the fastest Intel out there. It's absolutely blazingly fast, and it costs pretty much nothing.
#9
Can any of the people who have over clocked this to 3ghz please let me know how hot it gets at that speed?

Also, can you change cpu speed in windows?

What i'd like to do is build a very quiet pc, but still have the horsepower for the latest games + multimedia as i do a lot of multitrack recording.

I currently have an X2 4400, which is fast and fairly quiet but it does get a little hot sometimes. I also think the bottleneck at the moment is its ram.

This cpu could be a good excuse to build another system :D
suspended#10
if you guys want to overclock buy a good heatsink/fan e.g titan vanessa-l or tuniq 120 from overclockers.co.uk. ive got my core 2 duo e6400 @ 3.7ghz.

its pretty simple to overclock, ask on their forums if you need help. if you have ddr2 800mhz ram then for a very simple overclock set the multiplier to x7 and fsb to 400, this will make your ram run at normal speed and your cpu run @ 2.8ghz, the temps will be low at this speed, it only starts getting warmer when you go over 3ghz.
#11
Anyone know if the Gigabyte GA_965P_DS3P is just as goods an overclock as the DS3. As far as i can tell it's only a tenner more any you get native support for 1333mhz processors and crossfire support. Is there any reason not to go for this board instead of the DS3?

the board is here: £88.11 + del
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-076-GI

misco have it cheaper but not sure if it's the same revision as specs look different.
http://www.misco.co.uk/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=273041&sku=110545

£80.90 delivered from misco but misco say max fsb is 1066 and doesn't mention if it's revison 3.3 or not - Would prefer at cheaper price but not sure i'd get the same board as from overclockers - help.

Pete
#12
A potential 3ghz processor for £64!

Bargain! (If i had the spare money!)
suspended#13
isnt the ds3p the version with onboard graphics?

get the asus 650i instead, much better:)
#14
hajj_3
isnt the ds3p the version with onboard graphics?

get the asus 650i instead, much better:)


No. The one with graphics is the GA-965TG-DS3. BTW; can anyone tell me if this is as good as the GS3 for overclocking but with an onboard graphics option? Was thinking of delaying a graphics card purchase.

Which version of the 650i are you refering to? Havre you got a link to a review? is it as good for overclocking and just as cheap?
#15
isnt the ds3p the version with onboard graphics?

get the asus 650i instead, much better


I have to disagree there, you won't find a better overclocking motherboard than the DS3 for the money. Anyway here's the difference between GA-965P-DS3 and DS3P >

The DS3P is same as the DS3, except it has an Intel Raid controller as well as the Jmicron raid controller. The southbridge Intel ICH8R controller is excellent. If you plan on doing a RAID 0 setup with two drives for performance (more than two drives in RAID 0 is suicide) then the Intel controller is far superior. I have the ordinary DS3 and it wont do more than 85MB/s with two drives. Ive tried the ICH8R raid controller on an ASUS board and the same two drives get 139MB/s which as you can imagine is a massive difference. The DS3P has the same controller as the ASUS I tried.

I'm running an E4400 on a DS3 and have done a modest overclock from 2GHz per core to 2.66GHz per core. It was as simple as changing the 200MHz system clock to 266MHz and setting the ram multiplier so that the ram is running at 667MHz. I'm just using the Intel stock fan. If I used a Tuniq or Thermalright then I would get 3GHz+ easily. I don't like the Tuniq I found it difficult to work with, but that's just me. The Thermalright 120 (or extreme version) with two additional sycthe s-flex fans in a push/pull configuration is the best air cooling currently available.
#16
[url]www.overclockers.co.uk[/url]

you want to learn to overclock go there.
#17
cRuNcHiE
Can any of the people who have over clocked this to 3ghz please let me know how hot it gets at that speed?

Also, can you change cpu speed in windows?


Heat: not a problem with a decent heatsink. My e4300 is at something like 45C full load, and that's with the fan running silently. It runs so cool I can switch off the fan completely and it doesn't go past 60 under load (safe max is 65-70) - with good case airflow, you could easily run this passively. My Big Typhoon isn't even the best heatsink out there either (that's the Thermalright 120 I think).

Speed change: depends on the motherboard. With the DS3 you can change speeds using the Easytune utility, but it will crash sometimes with that. The best compromise is to use the EIST function, which automatically puts the processor to 2/3 speed when it's under low use (say <50%). Mine is constantly flickering from 2ghz to 3ghz in use, which means that after a period of hard use, it really dumps the heat very fast. It even indidually clocks the cores, so if one is idle and the other at full load, they run at 2ghz and 3ghz respectively.
#18
tgbyhn10
No. The one with graphics is the GA-965TG-DS3. BTW; can anyone tell me if this is as good as the GS3 for overclocking but with an onboard graphics option?


Fraid not - the G version is known to hardly overclock at all. Many mboards with integrated graphics are like this.

Remember you don't need an expensive graphics card at all. With a 3ghz C2D you can annihilate any video out there - even the hardest AVC Bluray disc with insane bitrate won't go above 50%. If you're not gaming, just get the cheapest card you can find (eg a 7300gs off ebay for £20).
suspended#19
tgbyhn10
No. The one with graphics is the GA-965TG-DS3. BTW; can anyone tell me if this is as good as the GS3 for overclocking but with an onboard graphics option? Was thinking of delaying a graphics card purchase.

Which version of the 650i are you refering to? Havre you got a link to a review? is it as good for overclocking and just as cheap?


yeah, its just as good at overclocking and even a little cheaper, read about it here (its a 62page thread!!): http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17668494

buy it here: http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=529752
#20
if you buy it through ebuyer then go through google checkout its £63.12 as ive just ordered one. quickfind code is 125082
#21
Oops, was thinking of the 965g-ds3
#22
hajj_3
yeah, its just as good at overclocking and even a little cheaper, read about it here (its a 62page thread!!): http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17668494

buy it here: http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=529752



I'm tempted by the asus as it's cheaper and I can go with an nvidia graphics card for sli but the The Asus P5N-E SLI NF650i SLi seems to get slated a lot on the ebuyer reviews where as the Gigabyte GA_965P_DS3 gets nothing but praise.

Anyone know the big pros/cons of each board?

I'm looking to overclock to 2.6 or 3ghz with:
Basic Corsair 1GB DDR2 667
Intel Core 2 Duo E4300

Will the memory be OK?

trying to get onto overclockers.co.uk but they're takin ages to set up my account.

thanks
#23
tgbyhn10

I'm looking to overclock to 2.6 or 3ghz with:
Basic Corsair 1GB DDR2 667
Intel Core 2 Duo E4300

Will the memory be OK?


Yes. DDR2-667 runs at 333mhz FSB, and 333*9=3ghz. If it doesn't work at 333mhz, you can send it back for a refund because that's its native speed. Quite likely it will work a lot faster than that if you loosen the timings.
#24
tgbyhn10
I'm tempted by the asus as it's cheaper and I can go with an nvidia graphics card for sli but the The Asus P5N-E SLI NF650i SLi seems to get slated a lot on the ebuyer reviews where as the Gigabyte GA_965P_DS3 gets nothing but praise.

Anyone know the big pros/cons of each board?

I'm looking to overclock to 2.6 or 3ghz with:
Basic Corsair 1GB DDR2 667
Intel Core 2 Duo E4300

Will the memory be OK?

trying to get onto overclockers.co.uk but they're takin ages to set up my account.

thanks



The DS3P is better than the 650i SLI. Go for the DS3P is they are the same price and you dont need SLI.

As for overclocking, with the DS3 you have to set a 1:1 divider so that the meemory is running at 200/400 mhz while the e4300 is at 1.8ghz. Then increase the FSB to 333mhz, which will increase the memory to 333/666mhz and the e4300 to 2.66ghz.

Make sure that the RAM timings you have are the correct ones for 667mhz timings. When you slow the RAM down to 200/400, the board may reduce the timings because it can at those speeds.

Obviously, increase the FSB gradually to spot any problems.

If you get the 650 SLI, the process is slightly different because the memory and FSB can be unlinked. (i.e. as you increase the FSB, the processor speed will increase but not the memory). This is good because you can go above 3ghz using a divider less than 1:1 very easily.

edit: forgot to add, cpu voltage changes may be necessary as you get to higher overclocks (2.8ghz+)
#25
ive ordered the asus -5n-e because after visiting various forums i have been told that its easier to overclock on because of the reason above but if you've got the time and patience plus bit more money for ram and you want to reach a high speed then stick with the ds3
#26
I think I need to read up some more. Every time I think i have decided what to get someone says something to make me think again. money is a big issue so I want a futureproof board that will allow me to upgrade memory / cpu in future.

Am I more or less guaranteed a 2.6 overclock with either of these boards, a 4300 and the value corsair ram? And which board is likely to go highest with stock cooler and above kit?

Do I need to overclock the memory to go beyond 2.66ghz on the ds3?

Thanks
[mod]#27
Still available, thanks for the reminder Vowo :)
#28
tgbyhn10

Do I need to overclock the memory to go beyond 2.66ghz on the ds3?

Thanks


For best results it is necessary to keep the RAM speed the same as the CPU FSB speed. This means a 1:1 ratio. Using different ratio's (i.e under or overclocking the ram independantly of cpu) normally result in lower performance due to bottlenecks in the system. There are a few sites that show this data in all it's glory. So while you can make the RAM faster than the CPU FSB, which incidentally may require a small voltage push on the RAM, performance gains are normally very small or worse than a matched FSB.

So all in all it may be better to stick with a slower CPU FSB that the mating RAM can handle for best and better performance.
#29
Excuse the somewhat nooby question, but that is what I am in this particualar field! If one of these was overclocked to e.g. 2.6ghz it will run faster than an E6600 at default 2.4ghz?
This one has a 2mb cache while the E6600 has a 4mb cache, what difference does that make? Feel free to link me to a site which explains all this! Many thanks
#30
if you want a board to support future proccessors like penryn you need to get one that has the P35 chipset
#31
It is now £62.73 after google checkout.
#32
If you buy an E4300 or E4400 don’t forget that they are in effect under-clocked by Intel at the factory; the FSB is reduced from 1067 to 800. With the latest Intel chipset (P35) and some boards using last year’s chipset (P965) being rated for a FSB of 1333, you can run the CPU at 3GHz or higher with the rest of the system being within specification. E.g.
E4300 9 x 333 = 3GHz, RAM = 2 x 333 = 667 MHz

If you want to keep your CPU within specification just run it at stock voltage; you should get anywhere from 2.8 – 3.0 GHz and sometimes higher.
I say that is within specification as the speed rating for a given Intel chip is more about marketing and product differentiation than the true potential of the chip.

If you want to run it above stock voltage then there is a limit on high you will get with the stock Intel cooler and it will get noisy. Aria stock quiet a few Scythe coolers which are good and can be quiet but they have issues with not being compatible with many motherboards. Aria are doing the Google checkout discount as well.

These Intel CPUs will automatically slow themselves down if they get too hot, so it’s very hard to damage them unless you turn off the thermal clock throttling. Programmes such as RMClock will notify you when this occurs which is useful feedback especially if you aren’t using software that accurately reports the CPU temperature. The CPU contains digital thermal sensors (DTS) which are the most important when it comes to monitoring temperatures. I say this because these are the temperatures that affect when thermal throttling occurs. For desktop Intel Core 2 Duos the throttling temperature is ‘usually’ 85 Centigrade. The other CPU temperatures reported are less useful as they don’t relate to the throttling temperature.
Speedfan is a good programme for monitoring temperatures and as its name suggests for controlling fan speeds.

[url]www.overclockers.com[/url] is a good site and has useful forums.

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