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The new budget gaming chip on the block, set to smash the 760k and 6300 from their pedestal. Fully unlocked CPU that does not require a Z97 board to OC, can be done with a H97.

Benchmarks vs 750k:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pentium-g3258-overclocking-performance,3849-2.html

http://m.hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/70977-intel-pentium-anniversary-edition-g3258/

http://www.digitalstormonline.com/unlocked/intel-pentium-g3258-gaming-benchmarks-idnum299/

Anyone building a budget gamer should seriously consider this chip. It will thrash any AMD chip on most games. GG AMD.
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#1
"does not require a Z97 board to OC, can be done with a H97." would be cool, budget CPU and budget board, without sacrificing OC.

I don't *need* one need one.

Edited By: wide on Jun 19, 2014 01:40
3 Likes #2
Lol at the smashing argument. Coming from myself who has not had an AMD CPU for years its hilarious(since they do not really compete as well in the £150+ market anymore).

I might as well repeat what I said in the other thread.

Do people even properly look at reviews?? Look at the minimums and frametimes. Frametimes are a good indication of whether a a game stutters or not.

BF4 MP is far more intensive than the GPU limited SP campaign,and the one review which looked at BF4 MP didn't even test a 64 player conquest map,and did not show minimums or frametimes.

Why dod you think reviews of graphics cards started doing this??

Crysis3 testing needs to be done in more than one level.

The Welcome to the Jungle section is very multi-threaded,and this is where you see decent HT scaling on a Core i7 - it actually is noticeable faster than a Core i5 in this part.

Look at the Toms Hardware review carefully(I nicked the charts off another forum).

The Pentium is decided "peaky" in performance.


ARMA 3

http://i.imgur.com/gP515my.png
http://i.imgur.com/q7HSNim.png
http://i.imgur.com/tFNih7v.png

GRID2

http://i.imgur.com/Z9C2ixf.png
http://i.imgur.com/HmAmzhF.png







Edited By: KITTYBOTS on Jun 19, 2014 02:05: Typo
4 Likes #3
http://i.imgur.com/XVvx0Wi.png

Thief

http://i.imgur.com/a8nOPvt.png
http://i.imgur.com/v9eN9hU.png
http://i.imgur.com/9hQUKRL.png

Thats three games from the review. In some games the G3258 beats an old Athlon II X4 750K(from 2012),but in others it has much worse frametimes.

The FX6300 has L3 cache(higher IPC as a result) and higher clockspeeds over the X4 750K,and has 50% more cores too.

In Thief there is noticeable stuttering. Watch Dogs runs very badly on the Pentium dual cores:

http://static.techspot.com/articles-info/827/bench/CPU_01.png

In the Toms Hardware review,a Core i3 is faster in almost all games tested,having better frametimes too.

An FX6300(especially when overclocked) is at least Core i3 level performance in more multi-threaded games(maybe even more).

The consoles have 8 low power X86 cores,and as the XBox One and PS4 become the major dev platforms for many games,you will start to see more and more games thread well. The engines made for these consoles thread well - BOTH Mantle and DX12 are designed to thread well.

The G3258 has it uses for certain games based on older engines(like WoT),but unless you are looking at an interim CPU,IMHO in the next 6 to 18 months we are going to see more games struggle on it as time progresses.

Look at Planetside 2 for example. It started off with hogging one to two threads.

But then SOE decided to make a PS4 version,and in the last 9 months numerous performance patches game out with improved multi-threading significantly.

Years ago,there was a great stuggle on PC tech forums regarding the E8400 dual core and Q6600 quad core. Both overclocked and at stock the E8400 had a significant single threaded advantage at times - yet the Q6600 won out in the end.

The Q6600 is a legendary CPU. Not saying the Haswell Core i3 of FX6300 will hit such levels,but still there is a precedence for all this.

It makes more sense to go with a Core i3 now,or the FX6300 dependent on the type of games you play.

The G3258 will be great for games like WoW for example,but its not the panacea for all your budget gaming needs.

A Core i3 will serve you better in many games.





Edited By: KITTYBOTS on Jun 19, 2014 02:33: Typo!
#4
quadcore and octacore is the future
#5
KITTYBOTS
IMG]http://i.imgur.com/XVvx0Wi.png[/IMG]

Thief

http://i.imgur.com/a8nOPvt.png
http://i.imgur.com/v9eN9hU.png
http://i.imgur.com/9hQUKRL.png

Thats three games from the review. In some games the G3258 beats an old Athlon II X4 750K(from 2012),but in others it has much worse frametimes.

The FX6300 has L3 cache(higher IPC as a result) and higher clockspeeds over the X4 750K,and has 50% more cores too.

In Thief there is noticeable stuttering. Watch Dogs runs very badly on the Pentium dual cores:

http://static.techspot.com/articles-info/827/bench/CPU_01.png

In the Toms Hardware review,a Core i3 is faster in almost all games tested,having better frametimes too.

An FX6300(especially when overclocked) is at least Core i3 level performance in more multi-threaded games(maybe even more).

The consoles have 8 low power X86 cores,and as the XBox One and PS4 become the major dev platforms for many games,you will start to see more and more games thread well. The engines made for these consoles thread well - BOTH Mantle and DX12 are designed to thread well.

The G3258 has it uses for certain games based on older engines(like WoW),but unless you are looking at an interim CPU,IMHO in the next 6 to 18 months we are going to see more games struggle on it as time progresses.

Look at Planetside 2 for example. It started off with hogging one to two threads.

But then SOE decided to make a PS4 version,and in the last 9 months numerous performance patches game out with improved multi-threading significantly.

Years ago,there was a great stuggle on PC tech forums regarding the E8400 dual core and Q6600 quad core. Both overclocked and at stock the E8400 had a significant single threaded advantage at times - yet the Q6600 won out in the end.

The Q6600 is a legendary CPU. Not saying the Haswell Core i3 of FX6300 will hit such levels,but still there is a precedence for all this.

It makes more sense to go with a Core i3 now,or the FX6300 dependent on the type of games you play.

The G3258 will be great for games like WoW for example,but its not the panacea for all your budget gaming needs.






Well informed you be , have a cookie :D
1 Like #6
360baby
quadcore and octacore is the future

DX12,Mantle and the new generation consoles are going to change things.

Now lets look at the Nvidia presentation for DX12:

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/NVIDIA-Talks-DX12-DX11-Efficiency-Improvements

http://cdn.pcper.com/files/imagecache/article_max_width/review/2014-03-22/16.jpg

Look at the improvements in single thread overhead and improved multi-threading touted by them.

Many DX12 features will work on current Nvidia and AMD cards.

Lets look at Mantle.

http://i.imgur.com/t61IBqO.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/zSbrNtU.png

http://cdn4.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/port_times.PNG-635x341.png

Same bumpf.

A few dozen studios have already signed up for Mantle too:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2150301/amd-signs-up-40-development-studios-for-private-mantle-sdk.html

This probably means they are fully in bed with DX12 now and its rumoured the new Nvidia GM204 based cards at the end of the year will be fully DX12 compliant.

This is what is happening in the next year.

A lot of people won't be changing out there CPU in like 12 months or even 18 months,they want a few years usage,and honestly I don't see this happening if you want to play more and more modern games with this CPU. If you are stuck playing a lot of WoT,bargain galore,I suppose! :p






















Edited By: KITTYBOTS on Jun 19, 2014 09:26: Typo.
#7
Crusader777
Well informed you be , have a cookie :D

Nom! Nom! Nom!

:D
#8
KITTYBOTS
360baby
quadcore and octacore is the future


DX12,Mantle and the new generation consoles are going to change things.

Now lets look at the Nvidia presentation for DX12:

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/NVIDIA-Talks-DX12-DX11-Efficiency-Improvements

http://cdn.pcper.com/files/imagecache/article_max_width/review/2014-03-22/16.jpg

Look at the improvements in single thread overhead and improved multi-threading touted by them.

Many DX12 features will work on current Nvidia and AMD cards.

Lets look at Mantle.

http://i.imgur.com/t61IBqO.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/zSbrNtU.png

http://cdn4.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/port_times.PNG-635x341.png

Same bumpf.

A few dozen studios have already signed up for Mantle too:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2150301/amd-signs-up-40-development-studios-for-private-mantle-sdk.html

This probably means they are fully in bed with DX12 now and its rumoured the new Nvidia GM204 based cards at the end of the year will be fully DX12 compliant.

This is what is happening in the next year.

A lot of people won't be changing out there CPU in like 12 months or even 18 months,they want a few years usage,and honestly I don't see this happening if you want to play more and more modern games with this CPU. If you are stuck playing a lot of WoW,bargain galore,I suppose! :p


boring stuff to read
#9
360baby
KITTYBOTS
360baby
quadcore and octacore is the future

DX12,Mantle and the new generation consoles are going to change things.

Now lets look at the Nvidia presentation for DX12:

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/NVIDIA-Talks-DX12-DX11-Efficiency-Improvements

http://cdn.pcper.com/files/imagecache/article_max_width/review/2014-03-22/16.jpg

Look at the improvements in single thread overhead and improved multi-threading touted by them.

Many DX12 features will work on current Nvidia and AMD cards.

Lets look at Mantle.

http://i.imgur.com/t61IBqO.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/zSbrNtU.png

http://cdn4.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/port_times.PNG-635x341.png

Same bumpf.

A few dozen studios have already signed up for Mantle too:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2150301/amd-signs-up-40-development-studios-for-private-mantle-sdk.html

This probably means they are fully in bed with DX12 now and its rumoured the new Nvidia GM204 based cards at the end of the year will be fully DX12 compliant.

This is what is happening in the next year.

A lot of people won't be changing out there CPU in like 12 months or even 18 months,they want a few years usage,and honestly I don't see this happening if you want to play more and more modern games with this CPU. If you are stuck playing a lot of WoW,bargain galore,I suppose! :p

boring stuff to read

Well thats what both AMD and Nvidia are saying now,so they seem to be both emphasising moving towards improved multi-threading. I cannot really argue when both are basically singing the same tune.

:)

Wait,Intel is on it too:

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/directx/archive/2014/03/20/directx-12.aspx

If you’re a gamer, you know what 3DMark is – a great way to do game performance benchmarking on all your hardware and devices. This makes it an excellent choice for verifying the performance improvements that Direct3D 12 will bring to games. 3DMark on Direct3D 11 uses multi-threading extensively, however due to a combination of runtime and driver overhead, there is still significant idle time on each core. After porting the benchmark to use Direct3D 12, we see two major improvements – a 50% improvement in CPU utilization, and better distribution of work among threads.


Forza Motorsport 5 is an example of a game that pushes the Xbox One to the limit with its fast-paced photorealistic racing experience. Under the hood, Forza achieves this by using the efficient low-level APIs already available on Xbox One today. Traditionally this level of efficiency was only available on console – now, Direct3D 12, even in an alpha state, brings this efficiency to PC and Phone as well. By porting their Xbox One Direct3D 11.X core rendering engine to use Direct3D 12 on PC, Turn 10 was able to bring that console-level efficiency to their PC tech demo.


Looks like Intel is going that way too. Not surprising their work on TS-X too.

Not going to argue with the three companies which are responsible for most PC graphics.

Maybe,VIA has a different spin on things?? :p



Edited By: KITTYBOTS on Jun 19, 2014 02:47: Added more info.
1 Like #10
Regardless of the 6300s more cores, this is still clock for clock much faster than any FX and that will be sufficient for most gamers. Very few games atm or even upcoming utilise four cores or greater. Even on highly threaded games it still keeps around 50fps This is a £50 CPU that consumes very little power and ultimately it is on a healthy platform - the 6300 will only upgrade to the 8350/95xx and we all know how pale they are compared to Broadwell. I agree this is not an ideal CPU 'if you were stuck on an island' but it is a great placeholder for Broadwell or as you said when it isn't pulling its weight when threading is better utilised, then you sell it for £30 and
1 Like #11
*and upgrade to an i5/i7 Broadwell.
#12
Personally I think the 4330 is a null option as the pricing of it is too close to an i5. A 4150 may be a better comparison.
1 Like #13
Nonetheless, I'm sure you'll agree this is a good deal for someone wanting this CPU, and the issue with Scan many have is null because or the Intel warranty.
#14
is this the one that DFORDOG OC'd to 6.86Ghz ?
if it is the same one they're truly amazing chips
#15
That is true, though 5ghz on liquid is a more realistic everyday gaming clock.
1 Like #16
MusicmanJP
That is true, though 5ghz on liquid is a more realistic everyday gaming clock.


So the processor may cost £50 however you're going to need an expensive motherboard minimum £70 however if you're looking for a good overclock closer to £100 since you need more phases. Also you'll need a much better liquid cooling system to keep it stable so again a minimum spend of £50. While the fx 6300 needs a £50 motherboard and coolermaster 212 evo at £20 for a good overclock.

£200 as opposed to £130 doesn't seem so great a deal to me
#17
KITTYBOTS
Lol at the smashing argument. Coming from myself who has not had an AMD CPU for years its hilarious(since they do not really compete as well in the £150+ market anymore).

I might as well repeat what I said in the other thread.

Do people even properly look at reviews?? Look at the minimums and frametimes. Frametimes are a good indication of whether a a game stutters or not.

BF4 MP is far more intensive than the GPU limited SP campaign,and the one review which looked at BF4 MP didn't even test a 64 player conquest map,and did not show minimums or frametimes.

Why dod you think reviews of graphics cards started doing this??

Crysis3 testing needs to be done in more than one level.

The Welcome to the Jungle section is very multi-threaded,and this is where you see decent HT scaling on a Core i7 - it actually is noticeable faster than a Core i5 in this part.

Look at the Toms Hardware review carefully(I nicked the charts off another forum).

The Pentium is decided "peaky" in performance.


ARMA 3

http://i.imgur.com/gP515my.png
http://i.imgur.com/q7HSNim.png
http://i.imgur.com/tFNih7v.png

GRID2

http://i.imgur.com/Z9C2ixf.png
http://i.imgur.com/HmAmzhF.png






Very well said!
#18
Regarding the 6300's more cores compared to this, I'm pretty sure upcoming games will utilise more cores.

Yes I have an overclocked 6300 :)
#19
Chidmas
MusicmanJP
That is true, though 5ghz on liquid is a more realistic everyday gaming clock.


So the processor may cost £50 however you're going to need an expensive motherboard minimum £70 however if you're looking for a good overclock closer to £100 since you need more phases. Also you'll need a much better liquid cooling system to keep it stable so again a minimum spend of £50. While the fx 6300 needs a £50 motherboard and coolermaster 212 evo at £20 for a good overclock.

£200 as opposed to £130 doesn't seem so great a deal to me
I agree with you except for the £50 motherboard part, I'd make it £70 and go for the r2 evo :)

The only problem is on the £50 boards there is no VRM cooling so once you overclock above around 4ghz, you get throttling as the mosfets overheat. I have this same problem with my £50 board, but I'm happy at 4ghz!
#20
MusicmanJP
Regardless of the 6300s more cores, this is still clock for clock much faster than any FX and that will be sufficient for most gamers. Very few games atm or even upcoming utilise four cores or greater. Even on highly threaded games it still keeps around 50fps This is a £50 CPU that consumes very little power and ultimately it is on a healthy platform - the 6300 will only upgrade to the 8350/95xx and we all know how pale they are compared to Broadwell. I agree this is not an ideal CPU 'if you were stuck on an island' but it is a great placeholder for Broadwell or as you said when it isn't pulling its weight when threading is better utilised, then you sell it for £30 and
MusicmanJP

Personally I think the 4330 is a null option as the pricing of it is too close to an i5. A 4150 may be a better comparison.

Again you keep ignoring minimums and frametimes,especially the latter,or the fact we are already seeing dual cores can have issues with a number of major titles? Cannot even see the trends?

Even on many of the larger enthusiast forums,there has been a muted response to this. A Core i3 K series SKU would have been met with much more interest.

However,Intel knows that such an SKU would eat into Core i5 sales - remember the Core i3 530??

The few people who do seem to be really pushing it over on them over anything else as a budget CPU,all have Core i7s - they all see where the trends are going,so go for something which has decent multi-threaded performance.

Plus you keep going on about upgrading - only hardware enthusiasts will think upgrading their CPU every year or so is OK. Plenty of people do not upgrade CPUs in computers at all,and change out the CPU/motherboard/RAM instead after a few years,and it still does not change the fact the Pentium dual core will need upgrading quicker. A Core i3 or an FX6300 will last longer.

Stop-gap CPU yeah it will be fine,but that is assuming most people buying this realise it and intend to upgrade sooner. As a CPU to play WoT it might be fine. However, I know plenty of people who would be annoyed if someone recommended this for a build,for only a year or so down the line,to find that the newest game they want to play needs 4 threads,otherwise it has stuttering problems.

Look at the multi-threading of PS2 of all games,just because a PS4 version is to be released? My Core i5 went from two threads at most being used to all of them,within the space of two updates over a week or two!

This is why just making blanket recommendations for this CPU over something like a Core i3 or FX6300 which do not cost much more,is very shortsighted. It has its place,but is not a panacea for all budget gaming needs.

None of these budget CPUs are perfect,and they all have their strengths and weaknesses. This is why they cost under £100. Companies are not stupid!!

Its not unfair to expect at least two years,maybe three years out of a CPU in a budget build,before its replaced.

A Core i3 or FX6300 will be still be more viable in that time,I doubt the Pentium dual core will have aged as well,and you will be forced to upgrade by then.

Intel,AMD,Nvidia and Microsoft are all pushing for improved multi-threading. The consoles have 8 low power X86 cores too,and all the newer engines being developed are designed to scale upto 8 threads.

TBH,also upgrading repeatedly does not always work out cheaper,especially if you sell on Ebay will its increasing fees and other costs which need to be deducted from any sale.

Just saving up longer for a Core i5,if you have your heart set on one,probably makes more sense,especially if you don't want to buy secondhand CPUs for upgrades,ie,you want something new.












Edited By: KITTYBOTS on Jun 19, 2014 09:28: Typo.
#21
I swear digital storm just tested these and said they are not worth it due to needed certain motherboard for over clock and still not as good as a i3. I would go with the fx 6300 its such a good cpu for the money plus you can over clock it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LDM43_cKn0
1 Like #22
wow 20 years of the Pentium brand name, it was only used so rivals couldn't use the name like they had for the 286, 386 and 486 CPU's - so the 'fifth' generation of CPU is now up to revision 9 :D

I had the original Pentium 60MHz in an Escom desktop PC
banned#23
your WH won't work with mantle btw.
1 Like #24
360baby
quadcore and octacore is the future


But until this future arrives, I'd say this is an excellent budget option - particularly for 90% (made up number) of general tasks where single threads are more important.

Perhaps this will finally give AMD the kick up the **** to drastically improve their single-threaded performance (although I'm sure they've been working on it for a while now) :-)

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