Intel Pentium Dual Core G3258 3.2GHz Socket 1150 3MB L3 Cache Retail Boxed Processor for £46.10 @ Ebuyer - HotUKDeals
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#1
This cpu is supposed to be able to reach 4.2GHz easily, and perform very close to i5's and i7's in games and single threaded stuff. Heat!!!!
#2
Linus tech tips quick review: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evXpqpNhu_Y
It's amazing value ;)
#3
fathermerrin
This cpu is supposed to be able to reach 4.2GHz easily when paired with an expensive Z97 motherboard, and perform very close to i5's and i7's in some, mostly old games and single threaded stuff. Heat!!!!

There, fixed that for you!

Although there rumours that some H97 motherboards might be able to overclock this but the last time this happened, Intel put a stop to it with a microcode update.

As for gaming performance, while haswell cores are fast this only has two of them and no HT so even at 4.4GHZ it can still a lot slower than other processors with more cores. The trend in games is towards multi-threading since the new consoles both have 8 relatively slow cores, so game developers no longer have a choice.

So, yes an interesting CPU to play with and a better price than the last time it was posted on HUKD (so voted hot), but not the best choice for everything.

For this price, here are three example choices (all roughly £110-£120):
Pentium G3258 + Z97 motherboard
Intel i3-4330 + H81 motherboard
AMD FX6300 + AM3 motherboard

The Pentium has the potential for a future i5/i7 K upgrade, but for multi-threaded games using modern engines both the i3 and the FX are likely to be faster.
1 Like #4
From what I've read this can be clocked up to around 4.8 GHz and when clocked can almost reach stock 4670/4690 territory.

Would make for an excellent budget gaming machine or stop gap if your waiting on broadwells to appear.

I may well get one of these + h81 for an htpc build.
1 Like #5
Sf2rox
From what I've read this can be clocked up to around 4.8 GHz and when clocked can almost reach stock 4670/4690 territory.

Really depends on the game (or more specifically the game engine). In BF4 multiplayer this looses to an i5 by quite a bit:
http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/radek/2014/pentium_g3258/charts/bf4_1920n.png
http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/radek/2014/pentium_g3258/charts/bf4_1920m.png

Same in Crysis 3:
http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/radek/2014/pentium_g3258/charts/c3_j1920n.png

Whereas in StarCraft 2 this beats all comers:
http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/radek/2014/pentium_g3258/charts/sc2_1920a.png
Source: http://pclab.pl/art57691-4.html

But then StarCraft 2 is notoriously single-threaded. Skyrim and Flight Simulator X are similarly single-threaded.
#6
I don't disagree with those benchmarks.

That's why my next purchase is going to be the 4790k. Being a long time PC gamer I appreciate having a full blown chip. But in the scheme of things this isn't a bad little number cruncher, certainly enough to power an htpc sans GPU.
1 Like #7
Unfairly or not, and I bought into the 4790K hype big time, the 4790K, while still a very good buy, is not quite the CPU I was hoping for and so the wait for Broadwell, but the Z97 motherboards bring several features to the table that make me want to build right now and so, keeping in mind that with this scenario I have already budgeted for a decent overclockers motherboard and third party cooler, where otherwise an i3 with hyper threading and a budget non OC motherboard might be a more practical spend for many, I'm going to get one of these (edit - 'meantime') and overclock it to 4.5 or 4.6Ghz, if I get a good sample. Looking at the gaming benchmarks, I'm surprised in how many games, that aren't optimized for multiple cores, the lowly G3258, when greatly over clocked, keeps pace with the 4690K/4790K at stock speeds. Obviously the latter absolutely decimate the lowly pentium in programs designed to take advantage of those multicores and hyper threading, but I don't have a pressing need for that for the build I have in mind and spring 2015 and Broadwell don't feel that far away, to me, when I can just slot that Broadwell CPU right on in there.

Edited By: Noclouds on Jul 03, 2014 21:08: Doubling down on the stopgap clarification.
2 Likes #8
I too have been playing the waiting game.

My 7 year old Q6600 just died on me and the worst thing I could do is settle on something that isn't going to blow me away. If only it could have lasted until the broadwell\ geforce 800 series I'd have been a lot happier dropping the cash.

As it is I'm suffering from withdrawals that only an hardcore gaming PC can sooth.

Because HT is now coming into play I've convinced myself that as time goes on I'm much better off with the i7 instead of the i5.

But because the GPUs on the market right now are quite old\rehashed versions of the previous gen I cannot warrant upgrading from my 560 ti until the maxwell start to appear (October?)

So for now it looks as though I'm resigned to building a 4790 based rig then grin and bear it till a worthy successor to my 560 comes along.

Usually building a new gaming rig is quite an exciting time for me. But because whatever I buy will be superseded very quickly I feel abit deflated.

Its almost never a good time to build a new gaming PC. This feels like one of those times.

I'm trapped in limbo!
#9
To reach the high overclocks surely yu're going to need a good liquid cooler, thus increasing the overall cost anyway?
#10
Sf2rox
I too have been playing the waiting game.

My 7 year old Q6600 just died on me and the worst thing I could do is settle on something that isn't going to blow me away. If only it could have lasted until the broadwell\ geforce 800 series I'd have been a lot happier dropping the cash.

As it is I'm suffering from withdrawals that only an hardcore gaming PC can sooth.

Because HT is now coming into play I've convinced myself that as time goes on I'm much better off with the i7 instead of the i5.

But because the GPUs on the market right now are quite old\rehashed versions of the previous gen I cannot warrant upgrading from my 560 ti until the maxwell start to appear (October?)

So for now it looks as though I'm resigned to building a 4790 based rig then grin and bear it till a worthy successor to my 560 comes along.

Usually building a new gaming rig is quite an exciting time for me. But because whatever I buy will be superseded very quickly I feel abit deflated.

Its almost never a good time to build a new gaming PC. This feels like one of those times.

I'm trapped in limbo!
Sorry to hear about a PC death in the family. I know the waiting game feeling. I haven't had a chance to build with a 4790K, yet, so I'm waffling away, here, but feedback from other builder friends was relatively disappointing and relatively consistently so, in terms of hitting the higher overclocks that their clients were asking for, so for my own personal home rigs, which are due a refresh, I had my Z97 motherboards, memory, etc, figured out. I was champing at the bit to get on with it. Broadwell just feels so close, even if most of what I am hearing is now April of 2015. It has been a long time since I have had an unlocked budget Intel to play around with and because some of the reviews of this one have been faintly astonishing (pretty dreadful when not overclcoked, faintly astonishing when heavily over clocked and not using programs optimized for multiple cores and hyper threading) the G3258 feels like a goodish stopgap CPU to put under one of my old Noctua ND-D14, rather than holding off and not building at all, for myself at least. I can't see myself buying a 4970K and selling it on ebay next April, but I am such a luddite about ebay, I have barely used it. For myself, I usually approach builds from what new motherboard features there are out there and the new Z97 boards got me sufficiently excited again that I am keen to just get on with it and build and just slot in a Broadwell when that plane lands.
#11
Just when I thought I'd settled on my build.

Just like the haswell refresh it appears the z97 chipset is a largely unnecessary upgrade from the z87.

But given I need something to please the nerd inside of me asap it appears I have 2 options:

Go with a 4970k z97 build, be happy and get on with my life. Cost around £350

Or

Go with the g3258 - h81 build. Cost less than £100, get a water cooler, clock the backside out of it and use it for gaming until the broadwells turn up, then retire it to htpc duties. That would save me £250.

In a years time I'd imagine most games will cater for HT. So is the 4790k really worth £200 more than the celeron right now?

I can't believe I'm even considering a celeron for my main rig, but I'm so uninspired by what's available atm.
#12
Sf2rox
Just when I thought I'd settled on my build.

Just like the haswell refresh it appears the z97 chipset is a largely unnecessary upgrade from the z87.

But given I need something to please the nerd inside of me asap it appears I have 2 options:

Go with a 4970k z97 build, be happy and get on with my life. Cost around £350

Or

Go with the g3258 - h81 build. Cost less than £100, get a water cooler, clock the backside out of it and use it for gaming until the broadwells turn up, then retire it to htpc duties. That would save me £250.

In a years time I'd imagine most games will cater for HT. So is the 4790k really worth £200 more than the celeron right now?

I can't believe I'm even considering a celeron for my main rig, but I'm so uninspired by what's available atm.

i had been considering the 4670k to go with the ASROCK Z97 Extreme6 but i think its overkill for just an HTPC and the games i keep meaning to play which i never do.

i think the g3258 would go nicely for HTPC.

i would be replacing a Q8400 on Gigabyte P35 chipset.
#13
Sf2rox
I too have been playing the waiting game.

My 7 year old Q6600 just died on me and the worst thing I could do is settle on something that isn't going to blow me away. If only it could have lasted until the broadwell\ geforce 800 series I'd have been a lot happier dropping the cash.

As it is I'm suffering from withdrawals that only an hardcore gaming PC can sooth.

Because HT is now coming into play I've convinced myself that as time goes on I'm much better off with the i7 instead of the i5.

But because the GPUs on the market right now are quite old\rehashed versions of the previous gen I cannot warrant upgrading from my 560 ti until the maxwell start to appear (October?)

So for now it looks as though I'm resigned to building a 4790 based rig then grin and bear it till a worthy successor to my 560 comes along.

Usually building a new gaming rig is quite an exciting time for me. But because whatever I buy will be superseded very quickly I feel abit deflated.

Its almost never a good time to build a new gaming PC. This feels like one of those times.

I'm trapped in limbo!

A 4th gen Haswell refresh i7 is more than good enough.

If you're on a Q6600 then you must be managing somehow at the moment, an upgrade now will be a massive improvement in performance over that CPU. Always something new will come out. The golden rule is buy what you need now if you really need it now, if you can wait then wait, if your rig has died and you have to wait 6 months, then that to me is too long.

Edited By: fishmaster on Jul 03, 2014 23:16
#14
OK experts. This CPU or AMD equivalent or an i3 for GCSE Homework related tasks only. Need advice as I am planning a MITX build for my niece.

Edited By: Majnu on Jul 03, 2014 23:34
#15
Does anyone know if this processor is compatible with my Gigabyte GA-H61M-S2PV (rev 1.0) motherboard please?
#16
Majnu
OK experts. This CPU or AMD equivalent or an i3 for GCSE Homework related tasks only. Need advice as I am planning a build for my niece.

Why bother with a build for this use? Would she not prefer a Laptop?
#17
its al right cpu but when you start to count in the water cooling the costs go up and surely you're better of going with amd cpu and air cooler.
#18
Majnu
OK experts. This CPU or AMD equivalent or an i3 for GCSE Homework related tasks only. Need advice as I am planning a MITX build for my niece.

Seriously I'd go for a £25 APU such as A4-4000 or A4-5300. As cheap as you can get really. Some anecdotal user comments here >

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-333-AM&tool=3
#19
Great cpu for overclocking maniacs on budget. Recommended for those who look on top i3`s but want save some green. Hot
1 Like #20
I wish I knew how to do all this stuff you pc gamers know, its crazy reading all your replies about whats more powerful. Sounds like me when comparing cars! I want to join the Pc allegiance! lol
#21
If I get this and a gtx 660 will it be a capable machine at 1080p?
1 Like #22
Sf2rox
Just when I thought I'd settled on my build.

Just like the haswell refresh it appears the z97 chipset is a largely unnecessary upgrade from the z87.

But given I need something to please the nerd inside of me asap it appears I have 2 options:

Go with a 4970k z97 build, be happy and get on with my life. Cost around £350

Or

Go with the g3258 - h81 build. Cost less than £100, get a water cooler, clock the backside out of it and use it for gaming until the broadwells turn up, then retire it to htpc duties. That would save me £250.

In a years time I'd imagine most games will cater for HT. So is the 4790k really worth £200 more than the celeron right now?

I can't believe I'm even considering a celeron for my main rig, but I'm so uninspired by what's available atm.
Z97 isn't a pointless refresh or just a stability release, though, it brings a raft of new features, tweaks and eagerly awaited must-have features like SATA Express, which breaks the old SATA bottlekneck with a quoted 60% speed increase in data transfer, or will once the drives start appearing, and the equally welcome M.2. SSD. My preferred Gigabyte Z87 boards have been superseceded by similar Z97 models but with marginally better sound/codec, marginally improved overclocking performance and even the prospect of Thunderbird 2 on one motherboard. My plan for one of my rigs is to edit and encode huge HD video files but as I won't have time to use it for that purpose this side of next spring, the wait to slot in a Broadwell is do-able. The Pentium G3258, at that price, is almost a throwaway and, as long as I overclock it, it comfortably meets most of my needs, meantime, in many of the benchmarks that I have poured over. The Noctua NH-D14 are very quick to remove, so it's not like swapping out the G3258 for a Broadwell CPU is going to be a hassle. Build to your needs, as others have said, to whatever software you use on a day-to-day basis that either is or isn't optimized to take advantage of an i7 with hyperthreading, but if you want to have a bit of OC fun with a stopgap CPU that you can slot into your performance Z97 motherboard and replace with Broadwell, say, in the first Q of next year, the G3258 might be for you.
#23
Exactly what I'm going to do; G3258 now then Broadwell next year.

The G3258 can then go to a HTPC.
1 Like #24
Apart from the 60% better integrated graphics which is irrelevent to most gamers who are likely to have dedicated GPU's, is it really worth waiting for a potential 6% CPU speed increase with Broadwell?
#25
threesixty360
I wish I knew how to do all this stuff you pc gamers know, its crazy reading all your replies about whats more powerful. Sounds like me when comparing cars! I want to join the Pc allegiance! lol
That's what I used to think, then I spent an hour or so every day for about a month on Youtube and forums reading about them, there's so much information on the likes of Youtube and tomshardware to learn from.
#26
4790K is compatible with Z87 motherboard (only a bios update required)
2nd hand sale value on 4790K will remain high due to demand from Z87 owners who want to max their existing system. It's also got the hype factor @ 4GHz stock so increased demand from users who do not overclock.
You can therefore ditch and switch to Broadwell sometime 2015 when things have settled down with the new process. Just spend the same money again for twice the fun.
#27
Pablo323
If I get this and a gtx 660 will it be a capable machine at 1080p?

Yes
#28
kgrings
fathermerrin
This cpu is supposed to be able to reach 4.2GHz easily when paired with an expensive Z97 motherboard, and perform very close to i5's and i7's in some, mostly old games and single threaded stuff. Heat!!!!

There, fixed that for you!

Although there rumours that some H97 motherboards might be able to overclock this but the last time this happened, Intel put a stop to it with a microcode update.


You do not need Z87/Z97 motherboards to overclock, it can't be blocked by "just" a microcode update - the microcode update Intel released required motherboard vendors to also put the code in at their end through the BIOS to enforce the block, most did not (ASRock are one of those that didn't).

I tested an ASRock B85 motherboard a while ago (http://www.eteknix.com/asrock-fatal1ty-b85-lga-1150-killer-motherboard-review/14/) and that still allows me to overclock K series CPUs today, I used it just last week. I also tested the ASRock H97 board (http://www.eteknix.com/asrock-fatal1ty-h97-performance-lga-1150-motherboard-review/6/) and that allowed me to overclock K series CPUs. One of my friends now uses that board with this exact CPU and it overclocks just fine. I think until you've actually missed the point with microcode updates, they aren't just a magic switch that allows Intel to turn these things on and off, it needs motherboard vendors to get onboard. The easiest way to get around it is to just not update your BIOS on a board that overclocks (such as the two above) and lets face it most people will not update their BIOS.
1 Like #29
fishmaster

Seriously I'd go for a £25 APU such as A4-4000 or A4-5300. As cheap as you can get really. Some anecdotal user comments here >

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-333-AM&tool=3
This g1820 will take half the power consumption, as well as destroy the a4 4000 or a4 5300 in cpu power and have similar graphics performance. The celeron g1820 can run with an fx4300 in a lot of tasks.
http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/213/AMD_FX-Series_FX-4300_vs_Intel_Celeron_Dual-Core_G1820.html
http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/132/AMD_A4-Series_A4-5300_vs_Intel_Celeron_Dual-Core_G1820.html
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-529-IN

Only £29.99 for g1820 haswell cpu. http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-529-IN

Edited By: nissangtr786 on Jul 04, 2014 09:33
#30
After a full night of geeking out, looking at benchmarks and such I'm now the proud new owner of this chip! I intend to use it as a stop gap until something else crops up that prompts a rebuild and this gets put out to htpc pasture.

Its the first time I've ever put a celeron into my main rig, but paired with an z97 I should be able to get close to i5-i7 speed, most of the time anyway.

Thanks for all the feedback folks!
#31
Not a bad price,but I would warn against making this the de-facto budget gaming choice. Look at things like frametimes very carefully(only Toms Hardware actually bothered to look at it). Frametimes and frametime distribution is an indication of stuttering.

Look at the Toms Hardware review carefully(I nicked the charts off another forum). BTW,the BF4 is the SP campaign and any multi-player BF4 MP benchmarks need minimums and frametimes. PCLabs.pl did some testing but looking at previous reviews they tested a small domination map which and not a heavily populated(50+ players) conquest map which most people play.

The Pentium is decided "peaky" in performance.


ARMA 3

http://i.imgur.com/gP515my.png
http://i.imgur.com/q7HSNim.png
http://i.imgur.com/tFNih7v.png

GRID2

http://i.imgur.com/Z9C2ixf.png
http://i.imgur.com/HmAmzhF.png
#32
ryanmartin1993
The easiest way to get around it is to just not update your BIOS on a board that overclocks (such as the two above) and lets face it most people will not update their BIOS.

Never updating the BIOS does depend on the original BIOS having no flaws or needed updated CPU support. Or even Haswell actually needed a microcode update due to some yet to be discovered issue.

And Intel being the nice company that they are, are quite capable of leaning on motherboard manufacturers to force the microcode with threats of chipset supplies. Now, since Intel are hyping the Pentium 20th anniversary edition, Intel are probably unlikely to actually do so but that is no guarantee. Certainly, there is no Taiwanese OEM who is not afraid of Intel.

EDIT: That Asrock B85 board is £77, while that Asrock H97 is £66, which are Z87/Z97 prices so hardly worth it. However, their ASRock B85M-HDS @ £50 is meant to be overclockable.

Edited By: kgrings on Jul 04, 2014 10:39
#33
http://i.imgur.com/XVvx0Wi.png

Thief

http://i.imgur.com/a8nOPvt.png
http://i.imgur.com/v9eN9hU.png
http://i.imgur.com/9hQUKRL.png

Thats three games from the review. In some games the G3258 beats an old Athlon II X4 750K(from 2012) on a deadend platform,but in others it has much worse frametimes.

In Thief there is noticeable stuttering. Watch Dogs runs very badly on the Pentium dual cores:

http://static.techspot.com/articles-info/827/bench/CPU_01.png

In the Toms Hardware review,a Core i3 is faster in almost all games tested,having better frametimes too.

The consoles have 8 low power X86 cores,and as the XBox One and PS4 become the major dev platforms for many games,you will start to see more and more games thread well. The engines made for these consoles thread well - BOTH Mantle and DX12 are designed to thread well.

Now lets look at the Nvidia presentation for DX12:

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/NVIDIA-Talks-DX12-DX11-Efficiency-Improvements

http://cdn.pcper.com/files/imagecache/article_max_width/review/2014-03-22/16.jpg

Look at the improvements in single thread overhead and improved multi-threading touted by them.

Many DX12 features will work on current Nvidia and AMD cards.

Lets look at Mantle.

http://i.imgur.com/t61IBqO.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/zSbrNtU.png

http://cdn4.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/port_times.PNG-635x341.png

Same bumpf.

The G3258 has it uses for certain games based on older engines(like WoT),but unless you are looking at an interim CPU,IMHO in the next 6 to 18 months we are going to see more games struggle on it as time progresses.


Look at Planetside 2 for example. It started off with hogging one to two threads.

But then SOE decided to make a PS4 version,and in the last 9 months numerous performance patches game out with improved multi-threading significantly.

Years ago,there was a great stuggle on PC tech forums regarding the E8400 dual core and Q6600 quad core. Both overclocked and at stock the E8400 had a significant single threaded advantage at times - yet the Q6600 won out in the end.

The Q6600 is a legendary CPU. Not saying the Haswell Core i3 of FX6300 will hit such levels,but still there is a precedence for all this.

It makes more sense to go with a Core i3 now.

The G3258 will be great for games like WoW for example,but its not the panacea for all your budget gaming needs.

A Core i3 will serve you better in many games.







Edited By: KITTYBOTS on Jul 04, 2014 10:34
#34
If I couldn't have the 4790k then I had to stick to a budget to avoid my build becoming an overly powerful htpc a year down the line. Because, for now I intend to drop my 560 ti into it until a suitable maxwell comes along, and salvaging my ssds I've actually managed a full z97 build for £250! That's less than what I was willing to pay for the CPU alone not 12 hours ago.

Coming fresh from a Q6600 it should keep me quiet for a while anyways, get back to some old skool clocking.

I'm actually more excited to see what I can get out of it. From gold fingers to connecting bridges, its been too long!

I'll have probably blown it within a week ;)
#35
This or a 1037u based system? Is the TDP difference really ~50W or is that just at full tilt? I suspect they idle at similar powers, no?

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/812/Intel_Mobile_Celeron_Dual-Core_1037U_vs_Intel_Pentium_Dual-Core_G3258.html

Edited By: zaphodbb on Jul 04, 2014 11:39
#36
Please note that this CPU is only great if you pair it with an average graphic card.
If you pair it with the top tier GPU then the CPU will become a bottleneck for the GPU.
Most games are heavily dependent on GPU and if you use NVIDIA GPU then it can do the PhyX task for the CPU --> less dependent on CPU.
OC-able motherboards are a lot more expensive than the normal one. OC leads to higher power consumption, less energy efficient, so you might be better off with an i3 and some average mobo.
I own I5 [email protected], believe me, you want a computer that can run 24/7 for at least a month. Stability is the best.
#37
Stability is VERY important.
My CPU is watercooled but not clocked too high.
This is to ensure complete stability.
My PC is on 24/7.
#38
Be gone with your cautionary tales. This chip is designed for a specific type of sadist.

Those who aren't familiar with the dark arts shouldnt dabble. Especially at a 50% plus oc. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

Athlon 550 goldfinger, xp 2100+, Q6600... Now this! I'm already going to hell!
#39
Can't help but feel that benchmarking this chip with a high-end GPU and at ultra settings is missing the point somewhat.
#40
F
Easy2BCheesy
Can't help but feel that benchmarking this chip with a high-end GPU and at ultra settings is missing the point somewhat.

The whole point of using high end hardware is to create a bottleneck.

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