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Save money on your electricity bills by plugging your AV equipment into this great panel. After you switch your tv on to standby, 30 seconds later all equipment connected to the panel will be switched off. Just use your remote to switch your tv back on and everything else is powered up too!

I had a home cinema system, xbox 360, ps3, dvd player and tv all guzzling power when I wasn't using them. Not anymore!

There is one permanent 'on' socket which you could use for a set top box such as Sky+.

This is a great money saving product and this is the cheapest price I can find on the web. Help save the planet too!
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#1
Pre-order at the moment.
Availability: This item is due to be released on October 2, 2008. Please note that release dates are subject to change.
#2
Why is this so cold? If it's cheaper elsewhere I'd love to know!
#3
Try here this one is FREE and they throw in some free bulbs

http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/146842/free-energy-saving-light-bulbs-and-/

this is the same sort of thing, I received mine the other day , i use it for my pc, now everything shuts down at once. and vice versa for startup.

You can even plug in a multi socket lead yo increase the items controlled

It says you have to be on benefits but you just tick the box and they will send it anyway
#4
Voted HOT as it is a good deal, its unfortunate that Amazon don't seem to have them in stock though. I've got my LCD TV, AV Receiver, PS3 , SKY, DVD Player, Turntable and Subwoofer all plugged into mine and when I'm done I just turn off the TV and the rest follow. How simple is that!

How can this offer be compared to the free bulbs for those on benefits?
#5
OK so TV stays on standby since it is the trigger and Sky+ stay on so the savings might be like:
xbox 360: 2W?
ps3: 2W ?
dvd player: 1W

Power used by the device to monitor the TV socket and turn on/off things when the TV is triggered.: 1W? (negative)

So savings:
4W * 8760 hours/years (24h a day 365day/year off, never used ever at all) * 15p/KWh (very generous) * 1/1000 Wh/KWh = £5.25 per year

(multiply that figure by 0.75 if you used the TV 6 hours a day) = £3.94 per year

So in four or five years you should recoup your investment (if the device doesn't break before end)

"This is a great money saving product"
Eventually if it is good enough quality to outlast its amortizing cost.

Also, if you use one of these device, be careful of not getting in the habit of not putting the dvd/xbox/ps3 on standby before turning off the TV since they will all get automatically powered on when you turn on the TV potentially negating any saving you might have made (their on but idle power usage is likely to be 10 to 100 times their standby power usage).

"Help save the planet too!"

This is such simplistic a newspaper title.

Think about it: how much energy is used and pollution generated in the production of one of these units. Don't forget the transportation of prime material to the factory and the distribution of the products to retailers and finally getting it to your home. They don't get created out of nothing with no resulting pollution. Far from it. We can only speculate how many years of saving 3-10W it takes to compensate the pollution generated by manufacturing and distributing one of these devices. And don't forget the long term effect landfills full of broken discarded one later on.

Don't get me wrong, I am not against saving the planet, I am for it. However, these type of device have the potential of destroying the planet by creating more pollution manufacturing them than they will ever save during their lifetime. Low power standby would achieve much more. A good behaved TV can consume less than 1W on standby (0.5W to 0.7W is quite common). If Sony/Microsoft reduced the standby power draw of the PS3 and xbox360 to 0.5W each, this would do much more for saving the planet. All that is however quite irrelevant compared to improving the efficiency of fridges or the TV while it's on or reduce Sky+ and other PVRs from 40odd W standby (cause they never turn off to be able to time/record/get schedule update) to say have a very low power timer (<5W?) and wake up to check for schedule update once every 30min.

Another thing that worries me about these devices (that one is speculation, I have no figures about it): Electronics tend to dislike power spikes while switched on, if there is a power cut, I always try turn off all electronics that was on in the house to minimise the risk of damage when the power come back on. If you never switch off (nor put on standby) the other equipment connected to this device, they essentially get full power applied and removed instantaneously by external means (with risk of spike if the device is not of good enough quality) rather than as designed by the internal power on circuit with proper shutdown if needed (e.g. dvd player may want to reposition the laser head in a safe parked position). There is certainly a doubt in my mind if these devices (or turning off at the wall switch without first powering off the equipment to standby) increases the risk of failure in delicate electronic equipment. A small reduction in MTBF could totally negate any potential economic and environmental saving of these things. I certainly would like to see a comparative large scale study of electronics failure between soft and hard power toggle.

Sorry for the long post with numbers in it but saving the planet certainly doesn't start with these devices.
#6
Erm, the tv doesn't stay on standby, only the Intellipanel does!

There are a lot of people that will be using it for a full AV Setup which will consist of more than the items you have stated (the device can take up to 8 items). There are also a number of people that use devices that are a bit older and use a low more energy when in standby mode.

Given that a surge protector will cost a similar amount, a device such as this that will power items off for you when not in use will save money, granted, not heaps but more than if items are left plugged in on standby. it is therefore not going to generate substantially more pollution than one of these devices, if any.

We had a power cut just over a week ago and suffered no ill effects despite still being plugged in.

I agree with your argument that making products that consume less power in standby or having no standby whatsoever is what is ultimately needed but until that time arrives I think this product goes some way to dealing with gadgets that could be connected in not just one room but a number of rooms around the house. Perhaps tax on power hungry home electronics will be something we'll see before too long, 'are you listening Ken!'.

In all honesty the best bet would be for us all to stop craving the latests gadgets so that they don't sell and we don't keep on updating and/or upgrading to latest and greatest big thing! I doubt that will happen though.
#7
thehitman
Erm, the tv doesn't stay on standby, only the Intellipanel does!


Yes the TV does stay on standby. The device detects that the TV was put on standby and power off the rest. It then monitors for the TV to be removed from standby to power on the rest. The other design that exists is for the device itself to have a dedicated remote control.

thehitman
There are a lot of people that will be using it for a full AV Setup which will consist of more than the items you have stated


I took the OP list of device (which btw include 2 consoles that are rather bad at 2W each, comparatively a Denon large AVR-4308 claims to use <1W on standby so you can have 4 of them instead of 2 consoles). But you are correct, the more devices you have the higher potential saving and it might take only 50 years to offset the environmental cost of producing this device. Still probably hardly relevant.

thehitman
There are also a number of people that use devices that are a bit older and use a low more energy when in standby mode.


Depend how old. I am sure most computer monitors and TVs have been EnergyStar compliant for ages since at least the early 90s. My 90's CRT is rated 0.7W. The most energy hungry devices are often the newer ones because of featuritism.

thehitman
We had a power cut just over a week ago and suffered no ill effects despite still being plugged in.


I did say MTBF; probabilty of failure. Someone need to get 20000 DVD players, split them in two groups and for one group do 100000 hard power toggles while the other group get 100000 soft power toggles. Count the number of failures, compare the results, work out the economic and environmental costs and publish the data. You might be able to submit it to "Nature" or at worst to "Which?". BTW I am serious that such research is needed. m For some example failure research on large population of electronic device see: http://research.google.com/archive/disk_failures.pdf

thehitman
Given that a surge protector will cost a similar amount, a device such as this that will power items off for you when not in use will save money, granted, not heaps but more than if items are left plugged in on standby. it is therefore not going to generate substantially more pollution than one of these devices, if any.


By all mean, if you need a surge protector, why not get one of these. However, if you are going to throw away a perfectly good surge protector and replace it with one of these, you are polluting and wasting. My main point is these devices are far from being environmentally sound. They are consumerism answer to environmentalism: you buy something that make you feel better regardless of their net effect on the environment. They may very well pollute more than they save. The same is true for many of the micro-generation devices too. 1million micro-generators probably create more pollution than a power station for 1 million homes. Pseudo-environmentalism sound bites haven't negated basics science and engineering principles like economy of scale despite what they may try to make you believe.

thehitman
In all honesty the best bet would be for us all to stop craving the latests gadgets so that they don't sell and we don't keep on updating and/or upgrading to latest and greatest big thing! I doubt that will happen though.


Absolutely. Unfortunately, I like my gadgets :-(

But the main point of my post is that the whole anti-"standby power" crusade is wrong. The net cost are exaggerated, the net gain of removing standby are exaggerated, the worth of a device as above is not placed in context of its cost (money and environment). For example, you'd get more environmental improvement by banning remote controls due to the batteries they use than by banning well designed standby. But they haven't dared trying to convince the population that they should go back to getting up to change channels. What would be the net effect of banning standby on TVs? A significant number of TVs would be left on longer than needed because one would need to walk up to the TV to switch it off. A TV left on for 10 minutes more than needed because it has no standby will use more power during these 10 minutes than another TV would do during 24 hours on standby. So I suggest that if they ever ban standby, the net effect on pollution will be negative.

OTOH, they are some low keys but very effective measures. For example the A,B,C,D,E energy rating labels on appliance. They have succeeded on both count of making customers much more aware of what they buy and manufacturer struggle to achieve a higher rating.
#8
yant

But the main point of my post is that the whole anti-"standby power" crusade is wrong. The net cost are exaggerated, the net gain of removing standby are exaggerated,

With this, I disagree.

Not all devices are as energy efficient on standby as those you list. Using your own argument, what would the negative environmental impact be if everyone got rid of their old, inefficient appliances with brand shiny new ones made from virgin material?

Equally, this is an easy win. Turning a device OFF that you would otherwise leave on standby costs nothing if you do it manually, but saves SOME electricity that would otherwise be utterly wasted.

Yes, on an individual appliance-by-appliance view, even perhaps a house-by-house basis, the differences seem small. But if you add them up over a whole town or country they add up.

Using the same logic of "what difference can I make on my own" as an excuse for inaction is a dangerous precedent.
yant

the worth of a device as above is not placed in context of its cost (money and environment).
according to your calculations, true, but how typical are the examples you quote? Re-run them with some older kit.

yant
For example, you'd get more environmental improvement by banning remote controls due to the batteries they use than by banning well designed standby. But they haven't dared trying to convince the population that they should go back to getting up to change channels. What would be the net effect of banning standby on TVs? A significant number of TVs would be left on longer than needed because one would need to walk up to the TV to switch it off. A TV left on for 10 minutes more than needed because it has no standby will use more power during these 10 minutes than another TV would do during 24 hours on standby. So I suggest that if they ever ban standby, the net effect on pollution will be negative.
probably why no-one's suggesting we ban standby or force everyone to get rid of remotes. Standby has its time and place - we need to remember that the electrical surge when powering a device on/off can damage the appliance and lead to early failure - but a general campaign to help people understand the appropriate use of standby versus power OFF can only help.
#9
Theo Cupier
Not all devices are as energy efficient on standby as those you list. .
That's actually pretty typical. I believe Energy Star or Ecolabel or something like that require <1W standby power for TVs so you will find these figures fairly common. Wasteful device are things that stay active for timing like PVR, Sky+, VCR but you won't plug these in this panel cause they would stop being able to record, and also PCs
Theo Cupier
Using your own argument, what would the negative environmental impact be if everyone got rid of their old, inefficient appliances with brand shiny new ones made from virgin material?
Probably awful unless their existing devices are extremely inefficient.
Theo Cupier
Equally, this is an easy win. Turning a device OFF that you would otherwise leave on standby costs nothing if you do it manually, but saves SOME electricity that would otherwise be utterly wasted..
Fair enough, using the already existing wall switch will save a very small amount of power that would be wasted. No loss, simple small gain (assuming no negative effect on MTBF). However, buying (i.e. causing the manufacturing of) one of these intellipanel will cause a large amount of pollution that will take years to offset by the very small daily savings.
Theo Cupier
Yes, on an individual appliance-by-appliance view, even perhaps a house-by-house basis, the differences seem small. But if you add them up over a whole town or country they add up..
If you add it all up, it is still a just a small proportion of the energy consumption of the country. The difference to the overall polution generation will still only be small. There are far more effective ways to save energy: concentrate your effort where the difference you make are likely to be the largest. Off the top of my head, I can think of a multitude of places that would be more worthwhile e.g. proper insulation, reduce motorway speed limits, double oven with a small compartments, energy saving light bulbs, fix the PC ATX standard, pool car lanes, force everyone to send their kids to the nearest school on public transport, promote teleworking, mandate no more than 2showers a week or one bath, etc. Also, if you produce one of these panel for every home in the country, it is a huge amount of manufacturing pollution that will take you years to recoup.
Theo Cupier
Using the same logic of "what difference can I make on my own" as an excuse for inaction is a dangerous precedent..
I am not saying do make your own saving, I am saying two things: 1- Concentrate your efforts where they are the most worthwhile. 2- Do the maths correctly. Don't buy a pseudo-environmental device that pollutes more in being made than it will save in its lifetime. (e.g. a lot of micro-generation devices)

Regarding concentrating of efforts: all of us only have a limited amount of efforts/resources we are able to put into reducing the pollution we generate. We would be much better investing these efforts where they can make a big difference rather than waste efforts on very small gain activities. There's nothing wrong per say in switching appliances off at the wall but this is the environmental equivalent of a fatty going to KFC and ordering a large filet burger tower boxed meal and requesting a (large) diet coke as a drink. Or a poor in-debt person buying economy bread at the supermarket (the nasty 20p stuff over the 50p to 100p variety) while filling the rest of the trolley with branded TV-dinners and alchool and ordering home delivered takeaway 3-4 times a week and running a full Sky TV HD subsciption.
Theo Cupier
according to your calculations, true, but how typical are the examples you quote? Re-run them with some older kit..
I beleive they are fairly typical of any TV sold in the past 10 years in the UK. I just took the items given by the OP then I simply googled for a decent fairly powerful AV amps when one was suggested and picked the first one I found. My own nearing on 10 years CRT is rated 0.7W. Feel free to add figures for older equipment.
Theo Cupier
- but a general campaign to help people understand the appropriate use of standby versus power OFF can only help.

Hmm, sound like it would but there are potential negative. As with individuals, there's a limited number of anti-pollution campaigns that can be run, there's a limited number of anti-pollution laws that can be passed, there's a limited amount of anti-pollution rants (the little boy that cried wolf) that peoples will listen to before they totally turn of. We shoudn't waste these opportunities in ineffective measures but instead concentrate them where they can make the largest difference.
#10
standby only costs you about £20 a year so why bother wasting your money
#11
I've been using one of these for my PC for nearly a year now and it seems to do the job - I have a energy use meter to see what's going on and when I put my PC into standby the usage is around 60 watts, then the Intelliplug kicks in, my router, printer etc switch off, and it goes down to 11..

I've just ordered this one (the TV version with the IR senser for the remote) for £23 from Dixons online. Amazon don't do it.
#12
yant
Yes the TV does stay on standby. The device detects that the TV was put on standby and power off the rest. It then monitors for the TV to be removed from standby to power on the rest. The other design that exists is for the device itself to have a dedicated remote control.


I got one of these last week - it does turn the TV off. It waits 30 seconds or so after turning off the other devices before the tv turns off.

It has an ir sensor which you program with the tv remote's on/off button. So when the tv is off, you press is once to turn the power on (which turns the tv/consoles etc on) and then a second time to take the tv out of standby.

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