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I know this will be voted cold, but these are arguably the best Iphones in terms of price/performance at the moment.

John Lewis have reduced their Sim Free Unlocked Iphone SE prices-

64GB £399, 16GB £349. this is a £30 saving over Apple stores and they come with a 2 year guarantee.

from John Lewis website
What is SIM Free?
You'll receive the iPhone Unlocked without having to commit to any network, leaving you free to decide which SIM card to use in the device. This gives you the opportunity to find the most suitable plan, whether thats contract or pay-as-you-go, throughout the lifetime of the phone. You also have the option to add a foreign SIM card, so you can use the iPhone overseas.
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leeboy75
bevalor
I got my son 1 of these sim free from carphone warehouse when it first came out....all though it's "sim free" I was informed that it would be locked the the first sim card you put into it....not sure if this is the case with all of them....but might be worth checking first....excellent phone though :)


​this is the case I'm afraid so make sure your happy with the first sim that's used


YOU'RE!!!!
21 Likes
leeboy75
bevalor
I got my son 1 of these sim free from carphone warehouse when it first came out....all though it's "sim free" I was informed that it would be locked the the first sim card you put into it....not sure if this is the case with all of them....but might be worth checking first....excellent phone though :)
​this is the case I'm afraid so make sure your happy with the first sim that's used
Rubbish!!! John Lewis sell TOTALLY UNLOCKED iPhones (and always have!!!!). UK retailers known to sell totally unlocked iPhones include Apple Stores, John Lewis and GiffGaff. Buy from any of these and worries about "locking to first network" just do not apply.



Edited By: BrianM on Jan 11, 2017 11:01: Clarify
12 Likes
optimus_prime2
daBluone
Fantastic phone. Basically a 6s in a smaller body. Fantastic battery life, much better than 7.
is it better then a samsung s7?

bbfb123
Having used an iPhone 3gs, 5s for years I switched to a galaxy s7 recently and probably won't be going back. I like how the iPhone works but just can't get over the fact that they upgrade the phone the bare minimum in terms of hardware with each new release, yet expect people to pay the full inflated price each time.
Look at the display, processor, amount of ram in this SE model. It's years behind the Galaxy S7 yet it's still expensive at £400.

You'd have to evaluate the pros and cons of each system.

IOS

Pros

Closed system, regularly updated, every app works on every device. Hardware/software optimisation excellent, but see also cons for why this isn't always great.

Cons

Customisation simply doesn't exist in comparison to Android. Squeezing one too many OS updates out on to older hardware effectively crippling the performance. Hardware can be lacking in comparison to the best Android hardware.

Android

Pros

Open source system, customisation is as good as it gets on any mobile OS.

Cons

App incompatibility between devices, due to the nature of Android having to run on multiple differing hardware configurations. Extremely poor updates again due to differing versions of hardware and the Android OS itself. Android can be and often is a clumsy buggy crippling mess of a system.

I use Android I couldn't change to IOS because I love the customisation aspect of Android which is impossible even with jail breaking on IOS, there's a lot I hate about Android as well which makes me tempted to go to IOS but I can't. This is not to say IOS is bad is certainly isn't, it has features which are not currently possible on Android and probably never will be, which are the hardware/software optimisation to the very few devices IOS needs to run on and app compatability for the same reason.

I see Android as a bodged OS, but a very useful bodged OS. I see Apple as a professional system but you use it how Apple specify and not the other way round.



Edited By: fishmaster on Jan 11, 2017 12:03
8 Likes
Bought my daughters iPhone SE 64gb a few months ago from JL it has a giffgaff sim in it currently but we have tried other networks and it is NOT locked

Edited By: sooziewoo on Jan 11, 2017 10:27
8 Likes
Great thing about these threads it is helps me to identify people to ignore

Anyway, as per what the whole site is about - it's a good saving on the normal RRP with a decent retailer that offers a good 2 year warranty. Voted hot.

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2 Likes #1
Fantastic phone. Basically a 6s in a smaller body. Fantastic battery life, much better than 7.
1 Like #2
daBluone
Fantastic phone. Basically a 6s in a smaller body. Fantastic battery life, much better than 7.
is it better then a samsung s7?
1 Like #3
I got my son 1 of these sim free from carphone warehouse when it first came out....all though it's "sim free" I was informed that it would be locked the the first sim card you put into it....not sure if this is the case with all of them....but might be worth checking first....excellent phone though :)
1 Like #4
bevalor
I got my son 1 of these sim free from carphone warehouse when it first came out....all though it's "sim free" I was informed that it would be locked the the first sim card you put into it....not sure if this is the case with all of them....but might be worth checking first....excellent phone though :)


​this is the case I'm afraid so make sure your happy with the first sim that's used
8 Likes #5
Bought my daughters iPhone SE 64gb a few months ago from JL it has a giffgaff sim in it currently but we have tried other networks and it is NOT locked

Edited By: sooziewoo on Jan 11, 2017 10:27
#6
Good price and from JL :)
30 Likes #7
leeboy75
bevalor
I got my son 1 of these sim free from carphone warehouse when it first came out....all though it's "sim free" I was informed that it would be locked the the first sim card you put into it....not sure if this is the case with all of them....but might be worth checking first....excellent phone though :)


​this is the case I'm afraid so make sure your happy with the first sim that's used


YOU'RE!!!!
1 Like #8
bevalor
I got my son 1 of these sim free from carphone warehouse when it first came out....all though it's "sim free" I was informed that it would be locked the the first sim card you put into it....not sure if this is the case with all of them....but might be worth checking first....excellent phone though :)


Thats carphonewarehouse as they sell "sim free" i think argos do too so they will get locked to the first sim but i got around that by putting in a 3 sim and once it got locked went onto the 3 site and got it unlocked for free...this one however says "unlocked" so as soon as you connect it to itunes you should get the " congratulations your iphone is unlocked" message

Edited By: jackthabiskit on Jan 11, 2017 10:47: ....
1 Like #9
one way of getting a cheap iphone is through the o2 refresh on their refurb phones which are returns, you can get them with nearly a full Apple warranty. This is a very hot deal as it even beats the o2 prices and of course they are brand new.
21 Likes #10
leeboy75
bevalor
I got my son 1 of these sim free from carphone warehouse when it first came out....all though it's "sim free" I was informed that it would be locked the the first sim card you put into it....not sure if this is the case with all of them....but might be worth checking first....excellent phone though :)
​this is the case I'm afraid so make sure your happy with the first sim that's used
Rubbish!!! John Lewis sell TOTALLY UNLOCKED iPhones (and always have!!!!). UK retailers known to sell totally unlocked iPhones include Apple Stores, John Lewis and GiffGaff. Buy from any of these and worries about "locking to first network" just do not apply.



Edited By: BrianM on Jan 11, 2017 11:01: Clarify
1 Like #11
jackthabiskit

...this one however says "unlocked" so as soon as you connect it to itunes you should get the " congratulations your iphone is unlocked" message
You don't even have to do that these days! iPhones are now designed to "activate" by contacting Apple over WiFi (or mobile data?). The John Lewis supplied ones are exactly the same as those sold in Apple Stores in that they are fully SIM-free after the initial activation




Edited By: BrianM on Jan 11, 2017 11:02: Grammar
2 Likes #12
leeboy75
bevalor
I got my son 1 of these sim free from carphone warehouse when it first came out....all though it's "sim free" I was informed that it would be locked the the first sim card you put into it....not sure if this is the case with all of them....but might be worth checking first....excellent phone though :)


​this is the case I'm afraid so make sure your happy with the first sim that's used


The ones from JL are truly 'unlocked' - these don't lock with the first sim, they stay unlocked apparently, whereas Argos do lock to the first sim. I remember the big debate when they were on offer before Xmas at £379 and people were ringing JL to pricematch, they refused for myself and a few others for that very reason.
6 Likes #13
Having used an iPhone 3gs, 5s for years I switched to a galaxy s7 recently and probably won't be going back. I like how the iPhone works but just can't get over the fact that they upgrade the phone the bare minimum in terms of hardware with each new release, yet expect people to pay the full inflated price each time.

Look at the display, processor, amount of ram in this SE model. It's years behind the Galaxy S7 yet it's still expensive at £400.
#14
BrianM
jackthabiskit

...this one however says "unlocked" so as soon as you connect it to itunes you should get the " congratulations your iphone is unlocked" message
You don't even have to do that these days! iPhones are now designed to "activate" by contacting Apple over WiFi (or mobile data?). The John Lewis supplied ones are exactly the same as those sold in Apple Stores in that they are fully SIM-free after the initial activation





Yes thats how i activate mine over wifi, a lot of people still like the official confirmation its unlocked by seeing that message, either way is cool i guess, the "sim invalid" mesaage when the phone gets locked is a heartbreaKer lol
3 Likes #15
daBluone
Fantastic phone. Basically a 6s in a smaller body. Fantastic battery life, much better than 7.


You need your head checking if you think it's 'much better than 7'

An improvement on a 6, not much else.
2 Likes #16
MichaelJames1995
daBluone
Fantastic phone. Basically a 6s in a smaller body. Fantastic battery life, much better than 7.
You need your head checking if you think it's 'much better than 7'
An improvement on a 6, not much else.

I read it as having better battery life than the 7. Which a lot of websites agree with.
12 Likes #17
optimus_prime2
daBluone
Fantastic phone. Basically a 6s in a smaller body. Fantastic battery life, much better than 7.
is it better then a samsung s7?

bbfb123
Having used an iPhone 3gs, 5s for years I switched to a galaxy s7 recently and probably won't be going back. I like how the iPhone works but just can't get over the fact that they upgrade the phone the bare minimum in terms of hardware with each new release, yet expect people to pay the full inflated price each time.
Look at the display, processor, amount of ram in this SE model. It's years behind the Galaxy S7 yet it's still expensive at £400.

You'd have to evaluate the pros and cons of each system.

IOS

Pros

Closed system, regularly updated, every app works on every device. Hardware/software optimisation excellent, but see also cons for why this isn't always great.

Cons

Customisation simply doesn't exist in comparison to Android. Squeezing one too many OS updates out on to older hardware effectively crippling the performance. Hardware can be lacking in comparison to the best Android hardware.

Android

Pros

Open source system, customisation is as good as it gets on any mobile OS.

Cons

App incompatibility between devices, due to the nature of Android having to run on multiple differing hardware configurations. Extremely poor updates again due to differing versions of hardware and the Android OS itself. Android can be and often is a clumsy buggy crippling mess of a system.

I use Android I couldn't change to IOS because I love the customisation aspect of Android which is impossible even with jail breaking on IOS, there's a lot I hate about Android as well which makes me tempted to go to IOS but I can't. This is not to say IOS is bad is certainly isn't, it has features which are not currently possible on Android and probably never will be, which are the hardware/software optimisation to the very few devices IOS needs to run on and app compatability for the same reason.

I see Android as a bodged OS, but a very useful bodged OS. I see Apple as a professional system but you use it how Apple specify and not the other way round.



Edited By: fishmaster on Jan 11, 2017 12:03
#18
Giffgaff price £419, so HOT.
2 Likes #19
fishmaster
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Cons
App incompatibility between devices, due to the nature of Android having to run on multiple differing hardware configurations. Extremely poor updates again due to differing versions of hardware and the Android OS itself.
That is incorrect. I am using Android phones for many many years. Never had even one issue of app incompatibility. If you buy Nexus/Google android device your phone always has the latest OS.
4 Likes #20
lionkhan1
fishmaster
[
Cons
App incompatibility between devices, due to the nature of Android having to run on multiple differing hardware configurations. Extremely poor updates again due to differing versions of hardware and the Android OS itself.
That is incorrect. I am using Android phones for many many years. Never had even one issue of app incompatibility. If you buy Nexus/Google android device your phone always has the latest OS.

It's definitely correct, I'll expand on what I mean, if you use IOS and you get an app from the app store it'll work on your device. Now if you get an app on Android on your phone there's definitely ones that have issues on Tablets due to the varying screen size and resolution, this simply can't happen on IOS. Another example are Android TV boxes plenty of apps on those will run in phone portrait mode because the system is a bodged phone OS and you can't easily or not at all get them to run widescreen as they should. So I'm correct I just possibly didn't give enough information as to what I meant.
4 Likes #21
bbfb123
Having used an iPhone 3gs, 5s for years I switched to a galaxy s7 recently and probably won't be going back. I like how the iPhone works but just can't get over the fact that they upgrade the phone the bare minimum in terms of hardware with each new release, yet expect people to pay the full inflated price each time.
Look at the display, processor, amount of ram in this SE model. It's years behind the Galaxy S7 yet it's still expensive at £400.
The SE is still faster than the S7. S7 might have more half baked features and better hardware but on performance in apps or games, it's behind the SE.
1 Like #22
morethananaddict
leeboy75
bevalor
I got my son 1 of these sim free from carphone warehouse when it first came out....all though it's "sim free" I was informed that it would be locked the the first sim card you put into it....not sure if this is the case with all of them....but might be worth checking first....excellent phone though :)


​this is the case I'm afraid so make sure your happy with the first sim that's used


The ones from JL are truly 'unlocked' - these don't lock with the first sim, they stay unlocked apparently, whereas Argos do lock to the first sim. I remember the big debate when they were on offer before Xmas at £379 and people were ringing JL to pricematch, they refused for myself and a few others for that very reason.


Argos don't lock. Got my 64gb SE last black Friday sale from them and is totally unlocked .
2 Likes #23
CouldntThinkOfAUsername
bbfb123
Having used an iPhone 3gs, 5s for years I switched to a galaxy s7 recently and probably won't be going back. I like how the iPhone works but just can't get over the fact that they upgrade the phone the bare minimum in terms of hardware with each new release, yet expect people to pay the full inflated price each time.
Look at the display, processor, amount of ram in this SE model. It's years behind the Galaxy S7 yet it's still expensive at £400.
The SE is still faster than the S7. S7 might have more half baked features and better hardware but on performance in apps or games, it's behind the SE.


​Really? Source plz?
#24
vitorsilvariotinto
morethananaddict
leeboy75
bevalor
I got my son 1 of these sim free from carphone warehouse when it first came out....all though it's "sim free" I was informed that it would be locked the the first sim card you put into it....not sure if this is the case with all of them....but might be worth checking first....excellent phone though :)


​this is the case I'm afraid so make sure your happy with the first sim that's used


The ones from JL are truly 'unlocked' - these don't lock with the first sim, they stay unlocked apparently, whereas Argos do lock to the first sim. I remember the big debate when they were on offer before Xmas at £379 and people were ringing JL to pricematch, they refused for myself and a few others for that very reason.


Argos don't lock. Got my 64gb SE last black Friday sale from them and is totally unlocked .


That's great then, I've read conflicting posts.

Heat from me for the price on this, I'm still using a 5C, very tempted to get it but think I'm gonna wait for a better deal on a 7, I really like how they look plus it's a better upgrade.
#25
fishmaster
optimus_prime2
daBluone
Fantastic phone. Basically a 6s in a smaller body. Fantastic battery life, much better than 7.
is it better then a samsung s7?
bbfb123
Having used an iPhone 3gs, 5s for years I switched to a galaxy s7 recently and probably won't be going back. I like how the iPhone works but just can't get over the fact that they upgrade the phone the bare minimum in terms of hardware with each new release, yet expect people to pay the full inflated price each time.
Look at the display, processor, amount of ram in this SE model. It's years behind the Galaxy S7 yet it's still expensive at £400.
You'd have to evaluate the pros and cons of each system.
IOS
Pros
Closed system, regularly updated, every app works on every device. Hardware/software optimisation excellent, but see also cons for why this isn't always great.
Cons
Customisation simply doesn't exist in comparison to Android. Squeezing one too many OS updates out on to older hardware effectively crippling the performance. Hardware can be lacking in comparison to the best Android hardware.
Android
Pros
Open source system, customisation is as good as it gets on any mobile OS.
Cons
App incompatibility between devices, due to the nature of Android having to run on multiple differing hardware configurations. Extremely poor updates again due to differing versions of hardware and the Android OS itself. Android can be and often is a clumsy buggy crippling mess of a system.
I use Android I couldn't change to IOS because I love the customisation aspect of Android which is impossible even with jail breaking on IOS, there's a lot I hate about Android as well which makes me tempted to go to IOS but I can't. This is not to say IOS is bad is certainly isn't, it has features which are not currently possible on Android and probably never will be, which are the hardware/software optimisation to the very few devices IOS needs to run on and app compatability for the same reason.
I see Android as a bodged OS, but a very useful bodged OS. I see Apple as a professional system but you use it how Apple specify and not the other way round.

I'd say one of the biggest knocks against it is the measly and miserly 1 year guarantee, where most other phone manufacturers give 2 years as standard.

Also, every app doesn't work on every device as certain ones specify certain fw version which some iphones can't update to.


Edited By: pannan on Jan 11, 2017 12:45
#26
pannan
fishmaster
optimus_prime2
daBluone
Fantastic phone. Basically a 6s in a smaller body. Fantastic battery life, much better than 7.
is it better then a samsung s7?
bbfb123
Having used an iPhone 3gs, 5s for years I switched to a galaxy s7 recently and probably won't be going back. I like how the iPhone works but just can't get over the fact that they upgrade the phone the bare minimum in terms of hardware with each new release, yet expect people to pay the full inflated price each time.
Look at the display, processor, amount of ram in this SE model. It's years behind the Galaxy S7 yet it's still expensive at £400.
You'd have to evaluate the pros and cons of each system.
IOS
Pros
Closed system, regularly updated, every app works on every device. Hardware/software optimisation excellent, but see also cons for why this isn't always great.
Cons
Customisation simply doesn't exist in comparison to Android. Squeezing one too many OS updates out on to older hardware effectively crippling the performance. Hardware can be lacking in comparison to the best Android hardware.
Android
Pros
Open source system, customisation is as good as it gets on any mobile OS.
Cons
App incompatibility between devices, due to the nature of Android having to run on multiple differing hardware configurations. Extremely poor updates again due to differing versions of hardware and the Android OS itself. Android can be and often is a clumsy buggy crippling mess of a system.
I use Android I couldn't change to IOS because I love the customisation aspect of Android which is impossible even with jail breaking on IOS, there's a lot I hate about Android as well which makes me tempted to go to IOS but I can't. This is not to say IOS is bad is certainly isn't, it has features which are not currently possible on Android and probably never will be, which are the hardware/software optimisation to the very few devices IOS needs to run on and app compatability for the same reason.
I see Android as a bodged OS, but a very useful bodged OS. I see Apple as a professional system but you use it how Apple specify and not the other way round.
I'd say one of the biggest knocks against it is the measly and miserly 1 year guarantee, where most other phone manufacturers give 2 years as standard.
Do they? I have only come across one year on a large range of phones.

Anyway John Lewis ARE 2 years. As are Apple Stores (who provide the second year as a "Sale of Goods" extension)
1 Like #27
MichaelJames1995
daBluone
Fantastic phone. Basically a 6s in a smaller body. Fantastic battery life, much better than 7.
You need your head checking if you think it's 'much better than 7'
An improvement on a 6, not much else.

I was talking about battery life which is pish poor on the 6, 6s and 7. But as far as I'm concerned the SE is better value all round over the over priced 7 which in real world use has very little over it. Thanks for sharing :{



Edited By: daBluone on Jan 13, 2017 12:56: Edit
1 Like #28
vitorsilvariotinto
morethananaddict
leeboy75
bevalor
I got my son 1 of these sim free from carphone warehouse when it first came out....all though it's "sim free" I was informed that it would be locked the the first sim card you put into it....not sure if this is the case with all of them....but might be worth checking first....excellent phone though :)
​this is the case I'm afraid so make sure your happy with the first sim that's used
The ones from JL are truly 'unlocked' - these don't lock with the first sim, they stay unlocked apparently, whereas Argos do lock to the first sim. I remember the big debate when they were on offer before Xmas at £379 and people were ringing JL to pricematch, they refused for myself and a few others for that very reason.
Argos don't lock. Got my 64gb SE last black Friday sale from them and is totally unlocked .
I'll second that mines from Argos & had several different sims in, never locked! Great price for what I think is a fantastic phone. Battery life is brilliant I only charge mine every other day, the size is great if you actually want to put this in your pocket or handbag. Voted hot!
#29
bbfb123
Having used an iPhone 3gs, 5s for years I switched to a galaxy s7 recently and probably won't be going back. I like how the iPhone works but just can't get over the fact that they upgrade the phone the bare minimum in terms of hardware with each new release, yet expect people to pay the full inflated price each time.

Look at the display, processor, amount of ram in this SE model. It's years behind the Galaxy S7 yet it's still expensive at £400.


Maybe, but last time I checked the S7 doesn't run iOS.
1 Like #30
bbfb123
Having used an iPhone 3gs, 5s for years I switched to a galaxy s7 recently and probably won't be going back. I like how the iPhone works but just can't get over the fact that they upgrade the phone the bare minimum in terms of hardware with each new release, yet expect people to pay the full inflated price each time.
Look at the display, processor, amount of ram in this SE model. It's years behind the Galaxy S7 yet it's still expensive at £400.
I'd say Samsung are just as guilty as Apple recently in their yearly upgrades not offering massive leaps over the previous version. In actual fact Samsung have been taking away features which kept them apart from Apple (removable battery as an example) and let's not mention the rushing of the Note 7 release.....

If you start comparing specs on paper between iPhone's and Android phones the iPhone will always look worse. You need to factor in iOS vs Android. iPhone's with iOS regularly outperform Android phones in benchmark tests because the operating system uses its processor and RAM much better. So even if it has half the RAM it's able to perform better than an Android with twice as much. Also as Apple make their own processors, how do you compare them fairly? I can only think with benchmarks and that's where they often shine.
#31
BrianM
pannan
fishmaster
optimus_prime2
daBluone
Fantastic phone. Basically a 6s in a smaller body. Fantastic battery life, much better than 7.
is it better then a samsung s7?
bbfb123
Having used an iPhone 3gs, 5s for years I switched to a galaxy s7 recently and probably won't be going back. I like how the iPhone works but just can't get over the fact that they upgrade the phone the bare minimum in terms of hardware with each new release, yet expect people to pay the full inflated price each time.
Look at the display, processor, amount of ram in this SE model. It's years behind the Galaxy S7 yet it's still expensive at £400.
You'd have to evaluate the pros and cons of each system.
IOS
Pros
Closed system, regularly updated, every app works on every device. Hardware/software optimisation excellent, but see also cons for why this isn't always great.
Cons
Customisation simply doesn't exist in comparison to Android. Squeezing one too many OS updates out on to older hardware effectively crippling the performance. Hardware can be lacking in comparison to the best Android hardware.
Android
Pros
Open source system, customisation is as good as it gets on any mobile OS.
Cons
App incompatibility between devices, due to the nature of Android having to run on multiple differing hardware configurations. Extremely poor updates again due to differing versions of hardware and the Android OS itself. Android can be and often is a clumsy buggy crippling mess of a system.
I use Android I couldn't change to IOS because I love the customisation aspect of Android which is impossible even with jail breaking on IOS, there's a lot I hate about Android as well which makes me tempted to go to IOS but I can't. This is not to say IOS is bad is certainly isn't, it has features which are not currently possible on Android and probably never will be, which are the hardware/software optimisation to the very few devices IOS needs to run on and app compatability for the same reason.
I see Android as a bodged OS, but a very useful bodged OS. I see Apple as a professional system but you use it how Apple specify and not the other way round.
I'd say one of the biggest knocks against it is the measly and miserly 1 year guarantee, where most other phone manufacturers give 2 years as standard.
Do they? I have only come across one year on a large range of phones.
Anyway John Lewis ARE 2 years. As are Apple Stores (who provide the second year as a "Sale of Goods" extension)

According to their website they offer a 1 year limited warranty only: http://www.apple.com/uk/legal/statutory-warranty/

Warranties by other manufacturers here: http://selfhelp.carphonewarehouse.com/SelfHelp/request.do?view()=c{79ae2a80-f9f3-11de-da00-000000000000}
#32
bbfb123
Having used an iPhone 3gs, 5s for years I switched to a galaxy s7 recently and probably won't be going back. I like how the iPhone works but just can't get over the fact that they upgrade the phone the bare minimum in terms of hardware with each new release, yet expect people to pay the full inflated price each time.
Look at the display, processor, amount of ram in this SE model. It's years behind the Galaxy S7 yet it's still expensive at £400.
Yet it is faster than an S7, beats the S7 on benchmark, the SE is basically a smaller 6S but with improvements in the speed and especially battery life.

Edited By: hass123 on Jan 11, 2017 13:07
#33
pannan
BrianM
pannan
fishmaster
optimus_prime2
daBluone
Fantastic phone. Basically a 6s in a smaller body. Fantastic battery life, much better than 7.
is it better then a samsung s7?
bbfb123
Having used an iPhone 3gs, 5s for years I switched to a galaxy s7 recently and probably won't be going back. I like how the iPhone works but just can't get over the fact that they upgrade the phone the bare minimum in terms of hardware with each new release, yet expect people to pay the full inflated price each time.
Look at the display, processor, amount of ram in this SE model. It's years behind the Galaxy S7 yet it's still expensive at £400.
You'd have to evaluate the pros and cons of each system.
IOS
Pros
Closed system, regularly updated, every app works on every device. Hardware/software optimisation excellent, but see also cons for why this isn't always great.
Cons
Customisation simply doesn't exist in comparison to Android. Squeezing one too many OS updates out on to older hardware effectively crippling the performance. Hardware can be lacking in comparison to the best Android hardware.
Android
Pros
Open source system, customisation is as good as it gets on any mobile OS.
Cons
App incompatibility between devices, due to the nature of Android having to run on multiple differing hardware configurations. Extremely poor updates again due to differing versions of hardware and the Android OS itself. Android can be and often is a clumsy buggy crippling mess of a system.
I use Android I couldn't change to IOS because I love the customisation aspect of Android which is impossible even with jail breaking on IOS, there's a lot I hate about Android as well which makes me tempted to go to IOS but I can't. This is not to say IOS is bad is certainly isn't, it has features which are not currently possible on Android and probably never will be, which are the hardware/software optimisation to the very few devices IOS needs to run on and app compatability for the same reason.
I see Android as a bodged OS, but a very useful bodged OS. I see Apple as a professional system but you use it how Apple specify and not the other way round.
I'd say one of the biggest knocks against it is the measly and miserly 1 year guarantee, where most other phone manufacturers give 2 years as standard.
Do they? I have only come across one year on a large range of phones.
Anyway John Lewis ARE 2 years. As are Apple Stores (who provide the second year as a "Sale of Goods" extension)
According to their website they offer a 1 year limited warranty only: http://www.apple.com/uk/legal/statutory-warranty/
Warranties by other manufacturers here: http://selfhelp.carphonewarehouse.com/SelfHelp/request.do?view()=c{79ae2a80-f9f3-11de-da00-000000000000}
Well a LOT of people buy Apple products due to the fact that, no matter where you buy the phone, Apple themselves provide immediate warranty replacements or repairs within the first year (and it generally IS immediate - no waiting or sending away or returning through the retailer!)

Beyond that they generally still go the extra mile - The official warranty actually says the following - Apple Stores seem, in practice, not to argue during the second year.

When you purchase Apple hardware products, you will also receive coverage from the Apple One-Year Limited Warranty. This coverage operates alongside and in addition to your statutory rights under UK consumer law.



Edited By: BrianM on Jan 11, 2017 13:16
#34
BrianM
pannan
BrianM
pannan
fishmaster
optimus_prime2
daBluone
Fantastic phone. Basically a 6s in a smaller body. Fantastic battery life, much better than 7.
is it better then a samsung s7?
bbfb123
Having used an iPhone 3gs, 5s for years I switched to a galaxy s7 recently and probably won't be going back. I like how the iPhone works but just can't get over the fact that they upgrade the phone the bare minimum in terms of hardware with each new release, yet expect people to pay the full inflated price each time.
Look at the display, processor, amount of ram in this SE model. It's years behind the Galaxy S7 yet it's still expensive at £400.
You'd have to evaluate the pros and cons of each system.
IOS
Pros
Closed system, regularly updated, every app works on every device. Hardware/software optimisation excellent, but see also cons for why this isn't always great.
Cons
Customisation simply doesn't exist in comparison to Android. Squeezing one too many OS updates out on to older hardware effectively crippling the performance. Hardware can be lacking in comparison to the best Android hardware.
Android
Pros
Open source system, customisation is as good as it gets on any mobile OS.
Cons
App incompatibility between devices, due to the nature of Android having to run on multiple differing hardware configurations. Extremely poor updates again due to differing versions of hardware and the Android OS itself. Android can be and often is a clumsy buggy crippling mess of a system.
I use Android I couldn't change to IOS because I love the customisation aspect of Android which is impossible even with jail breaking on IOS, there's a lot I hate about Android as well which makes me tempted to go to IOS but I can't. This is not to say IOS is bad is certainly isn't, it has features which are not currently possible on Android and probably never will be, which are the hardware/software optimisation to the very few devices IOS needs to run on and app compatability for the same reason.
I see Android as a bodged OS, but a very useful bodged OS. I see Apple as a professional system but you use it how Apple specify and not the other way round.
I'd say one of the biggest knocks against it is the measly and miserly 1 year guarantee, where most other phone manufacturers give 2 years as standard.
Do they? I have only come across one year on a large range of phones.
Anyway John Lewis ARE 2 years. As are Apple Stores (who provide the second year as a "Sale of Goods" extension)
According to their website they offer a 1 year limited warranty only: http://www.apple.com/uk/legal/statutory-warranty/
Warranties by other manufacturers here: http://selfhelp.carphonewarehouse.com/SelfHelp/request.do?view()=c{79ae2a80-f9f3-11de-da00-000000000000}
Well a LOT of people buy Apple products due to the fact that, no matter where you buy the phone, Apple themselves provide immediate warranty replacements or repairs within the first year (and it generally IS immediate - no waiting or sending away!)
Beyond that they generally still go the extra mile.The warranty actually saysWhen you purchase Apple hardware products, you will also receive coverage from the Apple One-Year Limited Warranty. This coverage operates alongside and in addition to your statutory rights under UK consumer law.

Well, you could say that of all manufactuers. My LG phone broke and was sent back to them and fixed within the week. Admittedly, Apple have good but limited customer service and considering the premium you are expected to pay, it doesn't seem quite equitable.
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sparklehedgehog
leeboy75
bevalor
I got my son 1 of these sim free from carphone warehouse when it first came out....all though it's "sim free" I was informed that it would be locked the the first sim card you put into it....not sure if this is the case with all of them....but might be worth checking first....excellent phone though :)


​this is the case I'm afraid so make sure your happy with the first sim that's used


YOU'RE!!!!


​boring and sad
#36
pannan
BrianM
pannan
BrianM
pannan
fishmaster
optimus_prime2
daBluone
Fantastic phone. Basically a 6s in a smaller body. Fantastic battery life, much better than 7.
is it better then a samsung s7?
bbfb123
Having used an iPhone 3gs, 5s for years I switched to a galaxy s7 recently and probably won't be going back. I like how the iPhone works but just can't get over the fact that they upgrade the phone the bare minimum in terms of hardware with each new release, yet expect people to pay the full inflated price each time.
Look at the display, processor, amount of ram in this SE model. It's years behind the Galaxy S7 yet it's still expensive at £400.
You'd have to evaluate the pros and cons of each system.
IOS
Pros
Closed system, regularly updated, every app works on every device. Hardware/software optimisation excellent, but see also cons for why this isn't always great.
Cons
Customisation simply doesn't exist in comparison to Android. Squeezing one too many OS updates out on to older hardware effectively crippling the performance. Hardware can be lacking in comparison to the best Android hardware.
Android
Pros
Open source system, customisation is as good as it gets on any mobile OS.
Cons
App incompatibility between devices, due to the nature of Android having to run on multiple differing hardware configurations. Extremely poor updates again due to differing versions of hardware and the Android OS itself. Android can be and often is a clumsy buggy crippling mess of a system.
I use Android I couldn't change to IOS because I love the customisation aspect of Android which is impossible even with jail breaking on IOS, there's a lot I hate about Android as well which makes me tempted to go to IOS but I can't. This is not to say IOS is bad is certainly isn't, it has features which are not currently possible on Android and probably never will be, which are the hardware/software optimisation to the very few devices IOS needs to run on and app compatability for the same reason.
I see Android as a bodged OS, but a very useful bodged OS. I see Apple as a professional system but you use it how Apple specify and not the other way round.
I'd say one of the biggest knocks against it is the measly and miserly 1 year guarantee, where most other phone manufacturers give 2 years as standard.
Do they? I have only come across one year on a large range of phones.
Anyway John Lewis ARE 2 years. As are Apple Stores (who provide the second year as a "Sale of Goods" extension)
According to their website they offer a 1 year limited warranty only: http://www.apple.com/uk/legal/statutory-warranty/
Warranties by other manufacturers here: http://selfhelp.carphonewarehouse.com/SelfHelp/request.do?view()=c{79ae2a80-f9f3-11de-da00-000000000000}
Well a LOT of people buy Apple products due to the fact that, no matter where you buy the phone, Apple themselves provide immediate warranty replacements or repairs within the first year (and it generally IS immediate - no waiting or sending away!)
Beyond that they generally still go the extra mile.The warranty actually saysWhen you purchase Apple hardware products, you will also receive coverage from the Apple One-Year Limited Warranty. This coverage operates alongside and in addition to your statutory rights under UK consumer law.
Well, you could say that of all manufactuers. My LG phone broke and was sent back to them and fixed within the week. Admittedly, Apple have good but limited customer service and considering the premium you are expected to pay, it doesn't seem quite equitable.
Your opinion! I would suggest that more people buy Apple products BECAUSE of their reputation for excellent customer service than are put off by the 12 month wording.
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hass123
bbfb123
Having used an iPhone 3gs, 5s for years I switched to a galaxy s7 recently and probably won't be going back. I like how the iPhone works but just can't get over the fact that they upgrade the phone the bare minimum in terms of hardware with each new release, yet expect people to pay the full inflated price each time.
Look at the display, processor, amount of ram in this SE model. It's years behind the Galaxy S7 yet it's still expensive at £400.
Yet it is faster than an S7, beats the S7 on benchmark, the SE is basically a smaller 6S but with improvements in the speed and especially battery life.
No it isn't faster than S7. It is much slower. http://www.futuremark.com/hardware/mobile

S7 is seventh
SE is 28th

Also SE is an absolute rubbish with a tiny screen. People who have no self respect buy it.

Zuk Z2 for £135 is a much better phone with better build quality albeit a slightly worse camera here http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/lenovo-zuk-z2-5-0-inch-4gb-ram-64gb-rom-snapdragon-820-2-15ghz-quad-core-4g-smartphone-2597715

The tests you talking about are rigged for Apple and dont mean anything, as they are CPU tests. All CPU are relatively fast even chinese 8-10 core ones. Or budget platforms. It's the GPU that makes difference.

Edited By: stanlenin on Jan 11, 2017 13:24
1 Like #38
sparklehedgehog
leeboy75
bevalor
I got my son 1 of these sim free from carphone warehouse when it first came out....all though it's "sim free" I was informed that it would be locked the the first sim card you put into it....not sure if this is the case with all of them....but might be worth checking first....excellent phone though :)
​this is the case I'm afraid so make sure your happy with the first sim that's used
YOU'RE!!!!
Very well spotted. Where would you like YOUR medal delivering to?
#39
daBluone
bbfb123
Having used an iPhone 3gs, 5s for years I switched to a galaxy s7 recently and probably won't be going back. I like how the iPhone works but just can't get over the fact that they upgrade the phone the bare minimum in terms of hardware with each new release, yet expect people to pay the full inflated price each time.
Look at the display, processor, amount of ram in this SE model. It's years behind the Galaxy S7 yet it's still expensive at £400.
Maybe, but last time I checked the S7 doesn't run iOS.

They don't want to run iOS......
3 Likes #40
stanlenin
hass123
bbfb123
Having used an iPhone 3gs, 5s for years I switched to a galaxy s7 recently and probably won't be going back. I like how the iPhone works but just can't get over the fact that they upgrade the phone the bare minimum in terms of hardware with each new release, yet expect people to pay the full inflated price each time.
Look at the display, processor, amount of ram in this SE model. It's years behind the Galaxy S7 yet it's still expensive at £400.
Yet it is faster than an S7, beats the S7 on benchmark, the SE is basically a smaller 6S but with improvements in the speed and especially battery life.
No it isn't faster than S7. It is much slower. http://www.futuremark.com/hardware/mobile
S7 is seventh
SE is 28th
Also SE is an absolute rubbish with a tiny screen. People who have no self respect buy it.
Zuk Z2 for £135 is a much better phone with better build quality albeit a slightly worse camera here http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/lenovo-zuk-z2-5-0-inch-4gb-ram-64gb-rom-snapdragon-820-2-15ghz-quad-core-4g-smartphone-2597715
The tests you talking about are rigged for Apple and dont mean anything, as they are CPU tests. All CPU are relatively fast even chinese 8-10 core ones. Or budget platforms. It's the GPU that makes difference.

why is there always one on an apple thread, just move on, please :(

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