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Two years after the Helghast assault on Vekta, the ISA is taking the fight to the enemys home world of Helghan.

The ISA goal is direct: capture the Helghast leader, Emperor Visari, and bring the Helghast war machine to a halt. Assuming the role of Sev, a battle-hardened veteran and a member of the special forces unit known as the Legion, players will lead a group of highly trained soldiers on a mission to take out the Helghast threat. For Sev and his squad, the invasion of Helghan is just the beginning. Tasked with securing Pyrrhus, the Capital City, the team quickly discovers that the Helghast are a formidable enemy on their home planet. Not only have they adjusted to the planets hostile conditions, they have also harnessed a source of power they can now use against the ISA. Sev discovers his squad isnt just fighting enemy forces their fiercest opponent may be the planet itself.
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#2
r3tract
But as you point out that version is preowned, so I struggle to see the relevance of your comment?

Josh


Some people don't care to purchase a game preowned or brand new, and given a choice, some people may look at this deal and feel that purchasing it from CEX, although preowned, is a better deal for them. You have to consider also that at CEX a few weeks back, this game was £6 too. Its relevant in my opinion.
#3
HakieranD
Some people don't care to purchase a game preowned or brand new, and given a choice, some people may look at this deal and feel that purchasing it from CEX, although preowned, is a better deal for them. You have to consider also that at CEX a few weeks back, this game was £6 too. Its relevant in my opinion.


But this deal (NOTE:not product) isn't for the pre-owned version, so why would you look at this deal if you were after a pre-owned version - you wouldn't - it's irrelevant. Therefore you don't need to post a link for what is, essentially, a different product catering for a different market.

Josh
#4
r3tract
But this deal (NOTE:not product) isn't for the pre-owned version, so why would you look at this deal if you were after a pre-owned version - you wouldn't - it's irrelevant. Therefore you don't need to post a link for what is, essentially, a different product catering for a different market.

Josh


You would look at this deal because of the GAME, and that the GAME interests you, and that you are interested in purchasing the GAME. Regardless of whether or not this is a good deal brand new, its perfectly acceptable to say that its cheaper, albeit, in used format. I'm not saying that this should be voted cold because a pre-owned copy is cheaper, I'm merely stating that for those that do not have preferences in condition that the game comes in, then there is a pre-owned copy out there for x amount of pounds.
#5
HakieranD
You would look at this deal because of the GAME, and that the GAME interests you, and that you are interested in purchasing the GAME. Regardless of whether or not this is a good deal brand new, its perfectly acceptable to say that its cheaper, albeit, in used format. I'm not saying that this should be voted cold because a pre-owned copy is cheaper, I'm merely stating that for those that do not have preferences in condition that the game comes in, then there is a pre-owned copy out there for x amount of pounds.


I really can't be bothered to enter this argument again... so much confusion over how to value things on this forum.

Loads of people seem to be valuing products rather than deals, this site should seriously consider changing its name to "hotukproducts" a deal is valued as a deal not a product.

We'll just leave it as this:

You like to value things qualitatively; I prefer a quantitative method of valuation.

Josh
#6
r3tract
I really can't be bothered to enter this argument again... so much confusion over how to value things on this forum.

Loads of people seem to be valuing products rather than deals, this site should seriously consider changing its name to "hotukproducts" a deal is valued as a deal not a product.

We'll just leave it as this:

You like to value things qualitatively; I prefer a quantitative method of valuation.

Josh

That is good enough with me. I'm voting this hot btw lol...
#7
HakieranD
That is good enough with me. I'm voting this hot btw lol...


:)
#8
(Another "heated" discussion)

:)

BFN,

fp.

(And another irrelevant comment)
#9
r3tract
But as you point out that version is preowned, so I struggle to see the relevance of your comment?

Josh


I'm now struggling to see the comment, never mind the relevance! ;)

BFN,

fp.

PS. Anybody interested in (re-)establishing a "Killzone 2" clan?
#10
fanpages
I'm now struggling to see the comment, never mind the relevance! ;)

BFN,

fp.

PS. Anybody interested in (re-)establishing a "Killzone 2" clan?


Pick me *waves*! I fancy getting into Killzone 2, having never played it before. I'm sure I'd soon pick it up.

:)

Josh

(...The one issue I have is that, I don't have the game, and I'd have to break my embargo... having said that it is the day of the year, that I seem to get inundated with gifts on, coming up in a couple of weeks...)
#11
HakieranD
You would look at this deal because of the GAME, and that the GAME interests you, and that you are interested in purchasing the GAME. Regardless of whether or not this is a good deal brand new, its perfectly acceptable to say that its cheaper, albeit, in used format. I'm not saying that this should be voted cold because a pre-owned copy is cheaper, I'm merely stating that for those that do not have preferences in condition that the game comes in, then there is a pre-owned copy out there for x amount of pounds.


Dude, that's not how HUKDs works.
#12
Crosshash
Dude, that's not how HUKDs works.


Don't worry too much about it, it's an issue that's prevalent across the whole site; no-one is clear on how we should be voting (even the forum guidelines are ambiguous); whether we should compare deals for the same product, or whether we are valuing products against what "we think" (collectively) they ought to be selling for. Personally I think the latter makes no sense really, but a lot of people subscribe to this view.

Josh
#13
surely this site is entirely subjective and not quantitative though? simply posting sumthing that is cheaper than it has ever been before may not make it a hot deal for many reasons the item may be awful, redundant, old, surely it is entirely simply down to each persons perception of whether in fact they think the price for item is a good deal or not which they can take into any context they like be it the cost of 2nd hand items in relation to the value of a new product if they so desire?? otherwise why would individuals be allowed to vote and comment.... especially as that information allows a person interested in a product an insight into other deals which they might well be interested in, saving a 1/3

feel free to enlighten me, im not looking to argue more to debate as im interested as to the different opinions, for me if it was simply quantitative then heat would have to be delegated in terms of either % reduction or £'s saved which would remove the whole forum element
#14
joeprosho
surely this site is entirely subjective and not quantitative though? simply posting sumthing that is cheaper than it has ever been before may not make it a hot deal for many reasons the item may be awful, redundant, old, surely it is entirely simply down to each persons perception of whether in fact they think the price for item is a good deal or not which they can take into any context they like be it the cost of 2nd hand items in relation to the value of a new product if they so desire?? otherwise why would individuals be allowed to vote and comment.... especially as that information allows a person interested in a product an insight into other deals which they might well be interested in, saving a 1/3

feel free to enlighten me, im not looking to argue more to debate as im interested as to the different opinions, for me if it was simply quantitative then heat would have to be delegated in terms of either % reduction or £'s saved which would remove the whole forum element


But, I think this is the crux of the issue, should it be wholly subjective, I personally do not think it should?

As I've argued in other threads, the mandate of the site is to show its users the best deals, hence, it would seem to make more sense, that good deals (%reduction/pounds saved) is what should be used as a comparison. the Forum element need not be neglected, in that users are free to comment in the thread what they think of a product.

The reason this is helpful is that users can actually see how much they'd save by going with a particular supplier, allowing the user more choice, as they'd be instantly able to compare with the next best deal. At present the "Heat" of products is mutually exclusive for each deal, so you sometimes, most noticeable during the launch of "Modern Warfare 2", have the same product taking up all the top 3 spots, from different suppliers. This blocks other deals at the time from being seen. If each product was listed separately but had side-by-side comparisons of all the available deals for that product, users could sift through them more easily and pick out the best ones.

What would aid this would be breaking down the forum into more pithy sections so "TV's", "Desktop PC's" rather than just "Electrical"/"Computers", this would aid in comparing deals of similar products.

But that's just my view.

Josh
#15
see i would have to disagree on the comment about the purpose being the best deals on a product as it is hot deals which extends beyond being merely the cheapest availible at a certain time, though i may mis understand the context in which you used best deals there

it annoys me when you get posts simply of a product which is the cheapest availible at the time and the OP gets all upset saying but show me where you can fin it cheaper then!! as that basically serves the purpose of a shop bot, sites like money saving expert are designed for aid in such areas, personally i see hot uk deals detatched from such sites, though i must say i agree with further break down perhaps being needed from electricals as gaming and TV's could easilly have there own highly active sections, while also your point about identical products taking up space does make sense and im sure could be easilly remedied particularly with regard to the top hottest deals

going right back to the start however i struggle to see how you do not get the relevance of the poster mentioning you could get the game for £8 pre owned at CEX as ultimately it has to be of relevance being as they are the same product? it is undoubtedly of interest to people viewing the post who must have an interest in the product to have initially clicked
#16
Certainly with my/our past discussions, Josh, it is time to seek clarification from the management team at HotUKDeals on the reason for voting, or what constitutes a "hot" or a "cold" vote.

If you recall, we last discussed this in your previous deal listing thread:

XBox 360 & PS3: Naughty Bear Pre-Order £25.24 @ TESCO Entertainment! (Page 2 onwards)

I do not mind if my viewpoint (that being, you vote on price, or better conditions/incentives for the same price, of the same product) is not the purpose of the temperature grading, I would just like to see a fair system that everybody adopts/understands.

Following my discussion in the thread below I have chosen not to vote on any further deals as I honestly do not see the point.

Sony HS1 - 1TB Home Media Server - Only £179.89 - R.R.P £399 @ Micro Anvika!
(Page 4 onwards; although a large majority of the [currently] nine page thread is taken over to this discussion)

I mentioned the two threads linked in this comment in another thread over the weekend & this also generated an opinion from another member that was similar to my own.

These three (four including this one) threads are just the most recent I am aware of, & have contributed to.

There may well be many more discussions of a similar nature being held in any of the individual Forum sections here at HotUKDeals.com.

BFN,

fp.
#17
fanpages
Certainly with my/our past discussions, Josh, it is time to seek clarification from the management team at HotUKDeals on the reason for voting, or what constitutes a "hot" or a "cold" vote.

If you recall, we last discussed this in your previous deal listing thread:

XBox 360 & PS3: Naughty Bear Pre-Order £25.24 @ TESCO Entertainment! (Page 2 onwards)

I do not mind if my viewpoint (that being, you vote on price, or better conditions/incentives for the same price, of the same product) is not the purpose of the temperature grading, I would just like to see a fair system that everybody adopts/understands.

Following my discussion in the thread below I have chosen not to vote on any further deals as I honestly do not see the point.

Sony HS1 - 1TB Home Media Server - Only £179.89 - R.R.P £399 @ Micro Anvika!
(Page 4 onwards; although a large majority of the [currently] nine page thread is taken over to this discussion)

I mentioned the two threads linked in this comment in another thread over the weekend & this also generated an opinion from another member that was similar to my own.

These three (four including this one) threads are just the most recent I am aware of, & have contributed to.

There may well be many more discussions of a similar nature being held in any of the individual Forum sections here at HotUKDeals.com.

BFN,

fp.


I agree, I too do not mind if the men/women in charge here prefer one method of voting to another as long as the guidelines convey their preferred method with clarity. It would save any further (unnecessary) discussion, and disappointment, when a deal is voted cold.

Josh
#18
just on a note, which may well annoy the both of you but id just like to add if there was a deal that was even a good deal on sumthing i really disliked or disagreed with i would vote cold regardless of whther it was a good deal or not, such things as non free range eggs maybe or how to get a free milkshake from burger king, it may be against the purpose of voting on whther its a deal but i like how i can be judgemental in such respects!
#19
joeprosho
just on a note, which may well annoy the both of you but id just like to add if there was a deal that was even a good deal on sumthing i really disliked or disagreed with i would vote cold regardless of whther it was a good deal or not, such things as non free range eggs maybe or how to get a free milkshake from burger king, it may be against the purpose of voting on whther its a deal but i like how i can be judgemental in such respects!


If a listing is describing how to deceive or steal from an organisation then it should not be a "deal" at all (or did you mean that you do not like Burger King as an organisation so purposely vote cold regardless?).

Non-free range eggs, albeit not a product I would consider, I would not purposely vote cold upon, as I mentioned in one of the threads above...

(Replace "Free Range" for "Heinz", & "eggs" for "(baked) beans")

fanpages
If you are limited to a budget, as most people are, & you have a family to feed, again, like many people do, then finding beans at 5p, rather than 59p, may be a great bargain & may be the difference between eating beans, or not eating beans, in a given week.

Granted, some people buy Heinz Beans week-on-week because they just replace those they used in the last 7 days, some buy Heinz because they have heard of the name and some because they like the taste.

However, others buy products, such as Baked Beans, in a supermarket, or otherwise, solely based on price alone.

The fact they have never heard of the manufacturer, nor have not sampled the product previously, is not a consideration.

The fact they may, in your example, buy eleven cans for the price of the single can they purchased last week is more important.

Just a few examples of products that I suggest many people buy solely based on price:

Toothpaste
Toilet Roll
Washing-up Liquid
Fruit & Vegetables (it will not matter if the products are imported from Spain, or home-grown)
Petrol
Clothing


BFN,

fp.
#20
i dont mean stealing lol, there was sumthing back in the past about getting cheap breakfasts from burger king, in which case id vote cold regardless its like an apple and cereal were cheaper than the deal anyways...

but eggs was ficticious, but lets say there was an offer 15 "green haven" caged eggs for £1.50 from asda it'd always be cold from me, i would never like to see such a thing promoted and as such see it as my duty to vote cold, same goes for imported pork, cheap chicken and stuff

different people different principals but that'd come into my voting for all my 6 degrees is worth :-D

Edit: p.s what does BFN mean cause i always see it on your posts and i cannot work it out
#21
Wow! You guys have way too much time on your hands. Just buy this game and get busy! :p
#22
joeprosho
i dont mean stealing lol, there was sumthing back in the past about getting cheap breakfasts from burger king, in which case id vote cold regardless its like an apple and cereal were cheaper than the deal anyways...

but eggs was ficticious, but lets say there was an offer 15 "green haven" caged eggs for £1.50 from asda it'd always be cold from me, i would never like to see such a thing promoted and as such see it as my duty to vote cold, same goes for imported pork, cheap chicken and stuff

different people different principals but that'd come into my voting for all my 6 degrees is worth :-D

Edit: p.s what does BFN mean cause i always see it on your posts and i cannot work it out


So your voting is purely subjective based on your own personal tastes?

Do you look at the temperature on each deal listing at all, & base decisions upon it, or just look at the product, the price, the retailer, and other factors before deciding if a deal is "hot" or not?

PS. For a definition of "BFN" please see the text next to "Location" under my avatar.

BFN,

fp.
#23
fanpages
So your voting is purely subjective based on your own personal tastes?

Do you look at the temperature on each deal listing at all, & base decisions upon it, or just look at the product, the price, the retailer, and other factors before deciding if a deal is "hot" or not?

PS. For a definition of "BFN" please see the text next to "Location" under my avatar.

BFN,

fp.


lol cant believe i have read that many of your posts and have yet to notice that, have to keep me eyes open in future,

in honesty i dont use heat as much of a guide at all, i scan through new listings primarilly otherwise you miss lots of stuff which may well be relevant to urself and not others, i would always research sumthing myself and not simply make a decision upon the heat here of a deal, though i probably spend more time thn most on here

id only ever vote for things of relevance and interest to myself, shant be purchasing this either not a good deal in my opinion consideing you could pick it up on here for a fiver and the game aint great imo, too lunky on the controls great visuals though
#24
joeprosho
i dont mean stealing lol, there was sumthing back in the past about getting cheap breakfasts from burger king, in which case id vote cold regardless its like an apple and cereal were cheaper than the deal anyways...

but eggs was ficticious, but lets say there was an offer 15 "green haven" caged eggs for £1.50 from asda it'd always be cold from me, i would never like to see such a thing promoted and as such see it as my duty to vote cold, same goes for imported pork, cheap chicken and stuff

different people different principals but that'd come into my voting for all my 6 degrees is worth :-D

Edit: p.s what does BFN mean cause i always see it on your posts and i cannot work it out


joeprosho
lol cant believe i have read that many of your posts and have yet to notice that, have to keep me eyes open in future,

in honesty i dont use heat as much of a guide at all, i scan through new listings primarilly otherwise you miss lots of stuff which may well be relevant to urself and not others, i would always research sumthing myself and not simply make a decision upon the heat here of a deal, though i probably spend more time thn most on here

id only ever vote for things of relevance and interest to myself, shant be purchasing this either not a good deal in my opinion consideing you could pick it up on here for a fiver and the game aint great imo, too lunky on the controls great visuals though


Do you not consider these two statements at all contradictory? I can see where you are coming from,, but at what point do you decide that even though you aren't interested in a product it becomes "relevant"?

Josh
#25
r3tract
Do you not consider these two statements at all contradictory? I can see where you are coming from,, but at what point do you decide that even though you aren't interested in a product it becomes "relevant"?

Josh


i dont purely because im the only person who knows what is of interest to myself and while it may not be in the sense of me purchasing, it is in the sense of sumthing i feel strongly about and just for the record i didnt need hugh fearnley whittingstall or jamie oliver to bring this stuff to my attention i have parents who know better, but i ant really be otherd arguing about animal welfare or such things on here for me its about as simple as:

price comparison sites = quantitative
hot uck deals = subjective

you wouldnt browse a selection of deals otherwise would you?
#26
joeprosho
...you wouldnt browse a selection of deals otherwise would you?


I am coming to the conclusion that you may as well just browse at Amazon.co.uk or open the Argos catalogue if all you are doing is looking at products & deciding if they are suitable for you.

BFN,

fp.
#27
fanpages
I am coming to the conclusion that you may as well just browse at Amazon.co.uk or open the Argos catalogue if all you are doing is looking at products & deciding if they are suitable for you.

BFN,

fp.


Or possibly even the Radio Times at Christmas, as a child, with a red marker pen.

Josh

:)
#28
hmm i try help people out with tv's as i know a bit about them but theres no point in putting ur pecker in when you dont know what to do with it, i stick to what i know and enjoy the debate

i just browse through computer games and electronics mostly see if anything tickles me fancy or if i can poke my nose in, i find its what the majority of people do in there selected areas of interest, i enjoy looking at the for sale threads a lot aswell, i know fan pages your big on advising a lot of people in threads,

what kind of protocols do you lot go for then are you of the opinion if it is a bigger saving on an item or the cheapest it has been it deserves the most heat? how do you take on the site, do you browse every single section? though i am aware fan pages doesnt vote any more
#29
Just taking a step backwards (or to the side... whatever); when somebody lists a deal (that they consider to be “hot”, or at least worthy of mention) do they do so based on personal tastes alone? By "personal tastes" I mean the listing member’s own inclination to buy/consume the product, or their own personal lifestyle choices that they wish to promote; for example, the free range eggs mentioned above. This may also be extended to preferring one sub-community of consumers, a supplier/retailer, or a manufacturer above another. For instance, Xbox 360 products instead of comparable PlayStation 3 items, Apple iPhone against HTC Desire mobile telephone handsets, Play.com versus Zavvi.com versus Amazon.co.uk, speed camera detecting devices versus those members who wish to obey speed laws, and so on. There are plenty of examples where specific deal listings are voted “cold” because of their content regardless of whether the product is the cheapest available price in the UK at that given point in time.

I doubt the member listing the deal just picks a product out of the air & lists it. They must have researched the product & prices at more than one retailer so that they believe they are placing a deal listing because they think it is the best price.

(However, an exception to this that immediately springs to mind is when a new product is announced for sale, or pre-order, such as a new mobile telephone & a member may look at just one or two sources & lists the cheaper of the two because they not only wish to gain views on their product choice, but they also wish others to find the "best deal(s)" rather than doing the research themselves. Products in the public eye will also generate more readers that may in turn lead to a higher “temperature” being recorded. If the member listing the deal chases recognition of this nature then this may be their prime objective).

Once a deal is listed based on the lowest price, if a large percentage of members then vote "hot" or "cold" based on personal taste it is hardly surprising that some members who list deals get a little irate or confused when their listings go "cold".

It may also explain why you regularly can see "cold" deal listings with no comments about where to find the product(s) cheaper as the majority of voters so far are (or a majority of the voting so far is) based on the voters’ personal tastes. All of which may be in contradiction to each other; all favouring other products or disliking the listed product for differing reasons, but en masse the consensus results in the specific deal listing going below 0 degrees of heat.

Hence, I believe that the reason for voting needs to be clarified as there seems to be the potential for contention between what a "deal" means to a member listing & what a "deal" means to a member viewing.

I have chosen to seek your thoughts on my (extended) viewpoint in this thread first (prior to opening to a wider audience in the “Feedback” section) as so far we seem to be having a rational discussion that has not descending into name-calling (like my past attempt[s] have) because I have the audacity to hold a differing view to other members.

Thanks for your further comments.

BFN,

fp.
#30
:thinking:
fanpages
Just taking a step backwards (or to the side... whatever); when somebody lists a deal (that they consider to be “hot”, or at least worthy of mention) do they do so based on personal tastes alone? By "personal tastes" I mean the listing member’s own inclination to buy/consume the product, or their own personal lifestyle choices that they wish to promote; for example, the free range eggs mentioned above. This may also be extended to preferring one sub-community of consumers, a supplier/retailer, or a manufacturer above another. For instance, Xbox 360 products instead of comparable PlayStation 3 items, Apple iPhone against HTC Desire mobile telephone handsets, Play.com versus Zavvi.com versus Amazon.co.uk, speed camera detecting devices versus those members who wish to obey speed laws, and so on. There are plenty of examples where specific deal listings are voted “cold” because of their content regardless of whether the product is the cheapest available price in the UK at that given point in time.

I doubt the member listing the deal just picks a product out of the air & lists it. They must have researched the product & prices at more than one retailer so that they believe they are placing a deal listing because they think it is the best price.

(However, an exception to this that immediately springs to mind is when a new product is announced for sale, or pre-order, such as a new mobile telephone & a member may look at just one or two sources & lists the cheaper of the two because they not only wish to gain views on their product choice, but they also wish others to find the "best deal(s)" rather than doing the research themselves. Products in the public eye will also generate more readers that may in turn lead to a higher “temperature” being recorded. If the member listing the deal chases recognition of this nature then this may be their prime objective).

Once a deal is listed based on the lowest price, if a large percentage of members then vote "hot" or "cold" based on personal taste it is hardly surprising that some members who list deals get a little irate or confused when their listings go "cold".

It may also explain why you regularly can see "cold" deal listings with no comments about where to find the product(s) cheaper as the majority of voters so far are (or a majority of the voting so far is) based on the voters’ personal tastes. All of which may be in contradiction to each other; all favouring other products or disliking the listed product for differing reasons, but en masse the consensus results in the specific deal listing going below 0 degrees of heat.

Hence, I believe that the reason for voting needs to be clarified as there seems to be the potential for contention between what a "deal" means to a member listing & what a "deal" means to a member viewing.

I have chosen to seek your thoughts on my (extended) viewpoint in this thread first (prior to opening to a wider audience in the “Feedback” section) as so far we seem to be having a rational discussion that has not descending into name-calling (like my past attempt[s] have) because I have the audacity to hold a differing view to other members.

Thanks for your further comments.

BFN,

fp.


i can completely understand where your coming from

in response to the first paragraph, i believe a massive proportion of deals posted people do so based on personal taste, while obviously people such as andy wedge post a whole variety of deals probably based more upon a passion to find deals than an interest in a general subject matter, its the reason i do not post for a lot of things i might be botherd about as i cant be arsed getting frustrated by people saying who cares its only a chicken because im willing to bet id be in the minority for a lot of those so i just dont bother though also i have found any particularly good deals, but the way of voting allows me to have a little say in such stuff that does bother me and thats what i like even when its as petty as not liking 'lost' :-D

its also important to bear in mind that none of these deals are essential or need to be bought and while people may come on here to save money looking for a specific product i am sure the number of people browsing with a lot of spare money to spend on a range of products is slim

so if i was to look at this site in such a context you'd struggle to find any deals...

ive kind of got dizzy in our whole debate and i dont know whether im coming or going anymore.. :thinking:

i understand what you mean about there being little clarification of what constitutes a deal, though it usually amuses me to see an argument about it over a deal, i just think if the people who use the site are voting on each deal personally then its ok to take into consideration all the variables that might affect ones decision on the deal and as such does not need any definition, i could forsee much more upset from such a thing being clarified and then not adhered to

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